why the numbers of iowa even in draw should worry clinton

[Robbins]

Bernie over performed polling.

most polls had bernie with 2 point lead with men he won men by 6.

Bernie crushed clinton with under 45 year olds and independents much better than polling suggested

Clinton won women by 11 but that was lower than any polling suggested.and under 45 year women prefer bernie.

winning women by 11 and yet she still came to draw.winning iowa by 0.2 is hardly a victory and she had to resort to voter
fraud despite having more money and the establishment.

The win by only 0.2 and allegations of voter fraud has tainted victory.

The biggest problem going forward is democratic party trying to steal this primary for her.they already tried In Iowa to mixed results.fact bernie basically tied her In iowa is because of the people coming out.

Thankfully Bernie has exposed the democratic party for what it truly is.This battle is one last battle for democracy.

[Kalidurga]

1. I agree with your points, mostly.

I don't think voter fraud has been established. We could argue some shady tricks though. And we always knew this was going to be close one way or another. And Hillary should be very worried about what is essentially a tie with a .2% lead. She won't even come close in New Hampshire and after that, Bernie has plenty of time to get his message out to the rest of the country.

[Robbins]

3. DNC tried to steal it for her

voter fraud will never be proven since DNC will investigate.the fact she only "won" by 0.2 is becaue people are coming out for bernie.remember majority of polling was wrong.PPP in prticuly has been exposed to be worthless pollster In pocket of clinton.
working for clinton's superpac led them into clinton bubble.

Let's be honest.both CNN town hall and MSNBC debate are going to be heavily biased against Bernie.Only reason for these is to propt up her numbers In NH.

[Kalidurga]

4. Those are the shady things I am talking about.

And some will say that rises to the level of fraud. I say it sounds like business as usual and that is why Bernie is so popular. He wants to tear down the business model.

[Hiraeth]

2. why is my democracy being determined by coin toss? Iowa needs to get it's shit together.

[Perogie]

5. Not sure about the fraud either

But here are some things I am sure about

Hillary has been running for Pres since 2008. Her stint as SoS added to her resume for this run
She has a huge campaign staff with some big hitters
She has been in the news (good or bad) for years, so big time name recognition
She has a popular President campaign for her (Bill in case you were wondering)
She has big time donors
She has the experience of running a campaign and can easily look at what she did wrong and right last time
She also has the benefit to see how her last opponent beat her and can correct those negatives


With all of that, she wins by .2%
If it wasn't for Bernie the caucus would have been even smaller on the Dem side. Though she may excite the people that are already supporters, where is the draw for others. I see Bernie marches in cities he's not even visiting. That is impressive.

We always hear and for years that the key to Dem victory is voter turn out and winning the independents. Youth went for Bernie and Independents went for Bernie. If she couldn't get them in Iowa how is she going to get them in a GE?

Youth turn out for Republicans in Iowa was huge. Who would have a better chance of winning them back. Bernie or Hillary?

[stillwaiting]

6. Bernie will overperform polling when people count votes.

Bernie will underperform polling when computers count votes.

[n8dogg83]

7. I think a lot of people underestimate the magnitude of what Bernie accomplished Monday night.

He managed a virtual tie against the most well funded political organization in the U.S. Clinton's campaign has been working Iowa arguably since the 2008 primary. They had a much superior ground game, SuperPAC money flooding the state, all the establishment endorsements, a caucus system designed to benefit the "insider" candidate (the candidates with knowledge of all the tricks to use to pick up delegates and make your opponent lose delegates), and the corporate media helping to prop her up. And yet, even then, the best she was able to do was a .2% lead? Iowa was a huge victory for us. It also helped us learn what we did right and what we need to work on for future primaries. For one, Bernie HAS to make gains among seniors and the 45+ demographic. We got the youth vote locked up, and Iowa shows that if we get them to show up, we will win big. I think the polls showed that 18% of young people went to caucus Monday. If we had gotten that number to 19%, we would have won most likely. So lets get to work people !!!

[SoapBox]

8. Just say'n...never forget...

"You know, I get accused of being kind of moderate and center... I plead guilty."
@HillaryClinton, Sept. 10, 2015