Clinton Allies Worried About Slim Win Over Bernie, Esp. With Young Voters, Her Muddled Msg.

[appalachiablue]

"Momentum was with Sanders", said Mo Elleithee, a former Clinton aide.

More than 8 in 10 Iowa caucus-goers under the age of 30 came to support Sanders, as did 6 in 10 of those between 30-44, according to a study conducted for the AP/Associated Press and TV networks by Edison Research.

"That's unprecedented," said Paul Begala, a longtime Clinton ally. "She cannot be president without the enthusiastic support of those Sanders voters".

Clinton conceded in an interview with CNN that she is "going to have some work to do to reach out to young voters".
Her husband hinted a more aggressive approach toward Sanders may be coming.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/clintons-narrow-win-sparks-nervousness-among-supporters/ar-BBp3zZf?ocid=spartandhp

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. She bloody well isn't ever going to get the 'enthusiastic support' of those voters.

She'll no doubt get the grudging, nose-holding vote of quite a few, but never the 'enthusiastic support'.

And a 'more aggressive approach' towards Sanders sure as hell isn't going to make them any more enthusiastic about supporting her. Just cost her even more of those who might otherwise vote for her in the general.

[appalachiablue]

2. I also found their comments hilarious, foolish and arrogant. Good luck!

[SmittynMo]

3. 2 things

1 - It's too late with the millennials. Unless she changes her mind on single payer healthcare, free college tuition, CU rejected, and income inequality addressed. I have more to list

2). Bring it on Bill. Bernie is eagerly awaiting anything you throw at him.

The revolution has started.

[GoneFishin]

5. It is too late. She changes her positions too frequently to be taken as sincere.

[appalachiablue]

6. In the last days before the Iowa Caucus she was saying everything to groups,

about working for universal health care, fixing the campaign fiancé system, helping working people and the middle class, a chicken in every pot. It was wild to watch. Bill is already at it with recent remarks that Bernie is not Obama. Huh? Why would he be. Things are becoming very interesting for sure.

[SmittynMo]

9. I think there's something up with Bill.

Did you see him in HRC's premature acceptance speech in Iowa? Look at it again. Observe his face.

Then listen to some of his highlights at recent events. I know he's older now, but I think it's not an advantage to use him for her campaign. I don't see where he's helping.

[appalachiablue]

16. As to Bill campaigning for her I have some concerns, in many areas.

[kath]

25. Something is definitely up with Bill.

Medical background here -- his facial movements, particularly of his mouth, during that speech were definitely abnormal. Mouth gaping open frequently (and seemed a bit asymmetric), tongue darting out off and on, odd facial expressions.
Has he had a stroke? Or suffering the effects of some drug or intoxicating substance that night?

For those that haven't seen it - Turn the sound off during that speech and watch Bill standing behind Hillary.

[LiberalArkie]

24. The Edison report results posted at Fox, showed that HRC had the over $50,000 income range

and Berni had the below $50,000 range. I guess that is something we pretty well guessed the way it would be.

[GoneFishin]

4. I don't see a winning path for her. Her scorched earth policy is cutting off her own legs.

She will have to smear Sanders ruthlessly to advance clearly ahead of him, and we are watching her to see how unethically she behaves. From what I can see she has already done too much damage.

[merrily]

7. "Her husband hinted a more aggressive approach toward Sanders may be coming."

Tone deaf! Aim lower and lower is what the Clinton campaign did in 2008 when Obama started pulling ahead of her. It didn't work then and it sure as heck is not going to win over Sanders' supporters or excite the apathetic or undecided. So, on whom will it work?

Clinton supporters are also worried that the campaign is still struggling with a muddled message, a problem that plagued her not only in the opening months of this campaign but also in her failed 2008 White House bid.

I guess one person's "evolution" is another's "muddled message." Her one, clear message is "What do I have to say to put me in the The Beast on Inauguration Day? Progressive? Moderate? Medicare for All never? Medicare for All or bust? What? Just tell me!"

[appalachiablue]

12. Just say anything, what a strategy. For more confusion. Points for the spiffy prez limo!

Some say Bernie is going for the Gold, Hillary for the Bronze. Dunno about that, she Really, Really wants it dammit!

[merrily]

15. That picture really is worth a thousand words, innit?

Chelsea looks like a deer in the headlights, thinking, "Oh, dear God, no. Please don't let her embarrass herself."

And look at Bubba's eyes.

[appalachiablue]

18. It's something alright, the Clinton family doing what they do, esp. when there's so many

other opportunities for them. Ah well.

[LiberalArkie]

26. When I saw part of that on TV, Bill was consistently about 1-2 seconds late in applauding after

the audience started. Kind of like, "they are clapping, I guess I better do it" and "Oh the crowd is standing up, I better stand up". Like he wasn't there really.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

8. She is making many of the same mistakes she did in 2008

What many people want more than anything right now is someone who will inspire them and FIGHT HARD for progressive causes, not just give them lip service.

[appalachiablue]

13. Yes indeed, not hearing people's demands for change in these times is no winner.

Continuing on a center, moderate and gradualist course now is all wrong. Who doesn't get that besides the top 10% Investor Group.

[merrily]

17. What will it take to put you in a new car today?

Why would the wealthiest 10% want change?

Well, those who aren't greedy might.

[appalachiablue]

19. Sold! Not. Of course the high levelers don't want change, life is good esp. when

you receive in 200K, 400K+ in exec. stock option bonuses on top of your annual salary. Apart from decent folks in that class who realize how screwed the system is like Nick 'the pitchforks will be coming for us' Hanauer the Seattle billionaire.

On second thought a good condition 2004 Subaru Forrester might win me over. Hmm.

[stillwaiting]

10. We just can't win with Hillary.

Without independents and the strong youth vote, we'll assuredly have a Republican President.

Bernie gives us a much better chance, and I hope that some HRC supporters reconsider. I'd love to have a CHANCE at the White House.

[appalachiablue]

14. He's the best for attaining the Executive Mansion/WH I agree.

[RussBLib]

11. speaking of young voters, why do you think they are flocking to Bernie?

I mean, I know why I love Bernie, because he represents the best of the Democratic Party in the tradition of FDR, but I'm almost 60 years old. I'm curious why such a large % of younger voters go for Bernie.

According to the stats I saw, Bernie got 84% of voters under 30 years of age in Iowa, but I also saw that only about 18% of that sector came out to caucus in Iowa. That seems to conflict with the "8 in 10 Iowa caucus-goers under the age of 30 came to support Sanders" quote above. If that quote is true, it would suggest that an even lower % of higher-age voters came out to caucus.

Maybe it's just the corporate media spin, but it does seem that a larger % of younger voters needs to come out to vote if Sanders has a chance at winning the nomination. It's the same knock on younger voters I've heard before: they support candidates strongly, but not strongly enough to actually get out to vote.

[winter is coming]

20. Let's see how the youth vote does in a primary state, especially one with early voting,

before declaring that the youth won't turn out. Caucuses always require an hours-long commitment in a specific timeframe. Voting is more flexible and often less time-consuming, which makes it more accessible to folks with inflexible job hours.

[merrily]

23. .

http://jackpineradicals.org/entry.php?209-Democratic-Primary-2016-Will-religious-bigotry-work-this-time

[ljm2002]

28. Your numbers are almost right...

...but not quite.

84% of voters under 30 who showed up to the caucuses went for Bernie, and these voters represented 18% of all caucus goers. That is not the same as saying that only 18% of the eligible voters showed up.

I haven't looked, so I don't know how many of the eligible voters showed up, in any age group -- but people should understand there is a difference between a percentage of caucus goers in an age group, vs. a percentage of an age group who showed up.

[RussBLib]

31. Thanks

The numbers are often incomplete and can be confusing. I based my post on my recollection of a MSNBC graphic, and I think my memory ain't what it used to be. But even now when I do a search for Iowa caucus results by age group, the results are fragmented. For instance:

Some 53,000 young Iowans, defined as voters age 17-29, participated Monday night, making up 15% of total-caucus goers, according to the Center for Information & Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE) at Tufts University. Clinton narrowly won the caucuses, according to the state Democratic Party, but the Associated Press never called the race and Sanders called it a “virtual tie.”

“Last night’s Iowa caucuses demonstrated the potential power of young people to shape elections,” said CIRCLE director Kei Kawashima-Ginsberg. “In the Democratic caucus, young voters helped to propel Senator Sanders to a virtual tie, and Republican youth broke their own record of caucus participation. One message is clear: when candidates and campaigns ask young people to participate and inspire them to get involved, they respond.”

Of the 30,000 young Democrats participating in the caucuses, there was overwhelming support for Sanders over Clinton, 84% to 14%. Clinton narrowly won the overall vote in Iowa, but high participation from younger voters may have contributed to the near-stalemate, as Sanders only took home just 26% of the 65-and-over vote.

snips were from here.

So 53,000 young Iowans (between ages of 17-29) voted, and 30,000 of those 53,000 were Dems. I like that percentage: 30,000 Dems to 23,000 Repubs. And the "15% of total caucus goers" must include both Dem and GOP. But they don't say what % of the total voting population (or total population period) is represented by that age group, or what % of that age group is registered to vote.

Bah! Everywhere I look, incomplete info!! It sounds like the young folk DID turn out.

[Dems to Win]

21. Bernie brought out as many young voters as Obama did in 2008, as best as we can know

Total turnout in 08 was 239,000, and Obama got 34%, so he got approximately 80,000 votes.

Total in 16 was 170,000, Bernie got half, so approximately 85,000.

[SoapBox]

22. Hmmmm...the Clinton "allies" get worried...

Well I say fuck'um!

[appalachiablue]

27. What a bunch. They'll throw over anyone that missteps, including their own, in a NY min.

[NCjack]

29. The young and middle-aged want "vision" -- Hillary serves them

cold Spam, right out of the can. They don't care that no one can slice it as thin or as cold as she does. And, we can all have seconds.

[appalachiablue]

30. That's it. Good analogy of the Spam Plan for America. Go USA!