It's become really clear over the last few weeks...

[TDale313]

That there are a lot of Democrats- many in power- that are just absolutely livid at the nerve of Bernie and his supporters (never mind that many of us are lifelong Dems ourselves) crashing their party.

[bkkyosemite]

1. I'm concerned for Bernie as I noted in another thread (mine)

[Warpy]

2. Of course they are

because Clinton's coronation was all but a sure thing 6 months ago and Sanders was a minor irritant buoyed by the type of voters who slack off and don't go to the polls. What a difference telling it like it is and running a smart campaign make.

Meanwhile, Clinton has the same sort of bad election handlers that cost her the nod in 2008. They're going to triangulate and strategize her out of it again this year if they're not careful--and mostly if she doesn't assert some control over the biggest mouths.

[hedda_foil]

5. I continue to get the strong impression that she has very little ...

...very little intuitive understanding of what normal everyday peope experience, think and feel. She not only doesn't understand it, she exists in a totally different world. Even non her pre-campaign royal progress of a "listening tour, she only spoke with highly vetted folks who were already her avid supporters.

[BernTheRich]

20. I completely agree, hedda_foil

She has the arrogance, sense of entitlement and lack of empathy usually associated with Republicans.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

23. very little intuitive understanding of what normal everyday peope experience

she exists in a totally different world

All the thinking people have been waiting for Sanders since 1980

[99th_Monkey]

3. Yes, but there are ALSO those 'on the fence' so to speak

who were strong-armed early-on into giving Hills an 'endorsement' before Bernie was
not even a factor on anyone's radar.

And some will break towards Bernie when the chips are down.

[pacalo]

4. I'm not liking the over-confidence coming from them, either.

It's very childish, but it also causes mistrust.

[MrChuck]

6. What bugs me the most

Is the insistence that he's not a democrat and, by virtue of my support, neither am I.
Maybe they're right but I sure have logged a lot off fucking votes for "their" party over the years.

[LiberalElite]

7. Yup. He's not a democrat, he's too radical, he's too left wing

he's too out-there, he's too (fill in the blank) . I have often answered similar comments in the NYT that if Sanders is [any one of these things] then so are the many thousands of Americans who come out to hear him speak.

[AlbertCat]

15. He's not a democrat

It's all part of the us-and-them zeitgeist created by the Repugs and the "Gingrich revolution". I can't believe they've gone in such a direction. Why are they letting the Repugs control the narrative again. Hillary winning is part of the Repug narrative. And they are ready to fight her. They've been working on it since last century! We've been hearing about Hillary's running in this primary election since she lost in the last primary election. I know because back then I was going crazy because the news was all about what Hillary was going to do in the future. It was the freakin' News of the Future!

[TDale313]

8. That's a big part of it.

Not only he (and we) aren't "real" Dems- we're attacking their party by wanting to make it better and pointing out where we feel it's not as good as it could be. It's a "my party, right or wrong" attitude that is, IMO, not particularly healthy.

[libdem4life]

9. Well, I draw the line of our Big Tent at Corporatism. Just. No. But I'd just as soon

they left the party and started the Third Way or something and let us get back to FDR Democrats. Maybe Hillary can start that party...she already belongs.

[winter is coming]

18. I'm thinking the parties will shift and re-form. The Third Way types will make common cause

with the Republicans who think the Tea Partiers are too crazypants, and the "far left" (ha!) will become the new Democratic Party.

[libdem4life]

22. I like your idea. Maybe we could rename it the FDR Democratic Party.

Nobody seems to know what Progressive mean anyway...if HRC calls herself one. It kind of invalidates that substitute that was tried for "Liberal". In a way, the Tea Party drug the Rs so far to the right, they almost fell off the edge of the world. LOL

[corkhead]

24. Somehow they have managed to take key spots in both party's big tents.

[Robbins]

10. after primarys are over it may be time to leave party

It's clear if bernie has nomination stolen this is right wing corporist party now.no place for liberals and progressives.

Iowa showed no difference between dems and republicans.Any so called progressive supporting clinton before nomination is
decered is playing base for fool.

I have voted dem in every election from 1992-2014.after i vote bernie In Missouri primary In march i don't know if i will bother to
vote In November inless Bernie is nominee.Missouri dems are useless.

[Billsmile]

11. The Spin Machine

"But if you want maximal spin, just raw, thick tar spin, look to the Democratic Party and a legion of electability-policing flunkies."

"The most substantial claim is that Bernie Sanders has some fans on the Internet who are assholes. Which puts him in exclusive company with literally everything. The same thinkfluencers who argue that Bernie Sanders needs to take personal responsibility for people he's never met being rude to journalists on the Internet (who are already berated and ridiculed by fans of everything else) are also filling column inches by doing the human-dignity equivalent of reaching a whole arm through a buzzing garbage disposal to latch onto yet another slime-slicked take festering in the U-bend and explaining why Hillary Clinton does not need to explain anything further."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-electability-spin-machine-20160202?page=3

[zentrum]

12. Yup nt

[silvershadow]

13. i've gotten something of a cool reception in certain circles...mostly establishment types.

They'd really take a dump if a Bernie person tried to ride his coattails into office I am sure. But that's really what needs to happen for real change. I wish I knew something about the congressional election map this year. I might have to check into that in a little bit.

[dflprincess]

14. I think it's coming as a real shock to them that a number of us

who have been active a long, long time are with Bernie. We've gone along for so long that they just assumed we'd keep going along.

Ever since they shoved Klobuchar down our throats in Minnesota I've thought they'd never let another Wellstone type make a serious run - and I was right, they've done everything they can to block Bernie but the rank and file aren't rolling over this time.

[winter is coming]

19. +1. I think many are still trying to convince themselves that Bernie supporters

are Naderites, or people who thought Kucinich was the second coming, or something else wacky. They just can't wrap their minds around the thought that people who have been involved in the party for decades just aren't going to hold their noses one more time.

[Maedhros]

27. They have become so accustomed to ordering us to "Shut up, and vote the way we tell you to!"

that they are stunned and surprised when we say "No!"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

16. Some of them are acting like English Royal Watchers.....

They see Hillary as their Lady Di.

[SoapBox]

17. I absolutely agree.

Maybe it's a good thing...they are so pissed (and stupid) that they are slinking out of the shadows, to shill for you know who...and are exposing themselves for what they really are...Turd Way Dems.

A whole lot of folks are going to become very aware of who these DINOs are.

[BernTheRich]

21. I'm a lifelong Democrat

But maybe those of us who are disillusioned and frustrated with the shift the party has taken should consider reigniting the Progressive Party.

[noiretextatique]

25. shut up and vote

and don't dare criticize anything we do...or you're a rw shill. the latest meme is that anyone who doesn't support the chosen one has been brainwashed by 25+ years of rw propaganda. which begs the question: how did they all manage to remain the very serious people, unaffected by the rw poison that has so swayed the left? complete horseshit of course. if anything, triangulating and co-opting rw positions seems to me an indication of some serious brainwashing, of the turd way kind.

[djean111]

26. Bernie was used as a tool to gather up all the Progressives and millennials and any other groups

not disposed to support Hillary - and then hand them over to Hillary, on his way out the door. They never envisioned Bernie getting this far, with this many supporters, with this much money.

Here's a thing to think about - the groups who do not like Hillary, but do like Bernie, especially the newly energized - Hillary and the media are really going full blast on how Hillary is different than Bernie, that Bernie is practically a Commie, that nothing Bernie talks about can actually happen, etc. If Bernie is not the nominee, many of those people will just fade back to where they were before Bernie energized them. They are not going to be enthusiastic about Hillary, at all, and they see no reason to swear fealty to the Democratic Party of Debbie DINO. IMO they are not going to turn out to vote; they see Hillary as same old stuff, why bother. Oh, and I don't mean "age" - they adore Bernie, and he is older than Hillary. Plus they would have been happy to support Liz Warren. Anyone who whines and whinges about sexism is delusional at best.

The millennials will still have and keep having horrendous college debt, they will still be watching jobs get off-shored, they will still be gouged by insurance companies and Pharma and hospitals, they will still be the ones who get sent to die in the Middle East. They won't flock to Hillary.

I don't like her stances or her record, or her lies, and I am honestly fucking insulted that her campaign thinks I would of course vote for her because I am a woman. Today's meme - she has a LAW DEGREE! Bernie does not! - for fuck's sake, she flunked the D.C. bar exam. The meme monkeys are either stupid, or they think we are. And the GOP would bring that up; they also know how to use this internet Google thingy.

[leftcoastmountains]

28. Seems to be the case.