I didn't want her in '08 and I don't want her in '16 and I don't understand DUers who have

[Hiraeth]

turned around in these 8 years. What happened? What has she done to change their minds?

I do NOT get it. At all.

[BigBearJohn]

1. Why have hamburger when steak is available?

[tk2kewl]

12. if she's elected we'll have to just "shut up and eat our peas"

No steak for you!

no hamburger either

[MissDeeds]

2. I was an Edwards supporter in '08

before the muck surrounding him made me lose confidence and respect for him. I absolutely loved his populist message. It's amazing to see former Edwards supporters here now backing Hillary. Her message is anything but populist. Go figure.

[LiberalElite]

3. IMO maybe

there are some unconscious attitudes at work....

[RoccoR5955]

4. This is so true! n/t

[Hiraeth]

6. Can you elaborate, please. What do you mean "unconscious attitudes"

I want to understand because "woman" is not getting it for me. Talk about sexist. To me, that is the height of sexism.

[libdem4life]

8. I think it refers to supporting the status quo...the one you (think) you know. A comfortable choice

Does not require much thinking...habit. Not wanting to be part of a "Revolution"...easy as it goes. I could go on. The fact she's a woman may add some, but mostly the unconsciousness above.

[Hiraeth]

13. ok. understand that, I guess. They are comfortable with the known and scared of the unknown.

[LiberalElite]

11. I'm kind of afraid to put this out there -

-antisemitism, ageism, maybe and/or against his origins in NYC. Maybe even sexist too. I say this because of an unconscious attitude I discovered I once had.

I've always thought of myself as a feminist. Back in the '90s I belonged to a Unitarian church. One Sunday the service consisted of the senior minister (a male) and the assistant minister (a female) taking turns reading from the Psalms in the Bible. He read a psalm then she read one, then he read one and so on... I discovered to my horror that I only listened when he read the psalm; when she read one I was checking the time, looking out the window, daydreaming. I apparently had an unconscious attitude that you only pay attention when a man is speaking. When this occurred to me I was shocked! If anyone would have told me this was the case I would have gotten very irate, because AFAIK I'm a feminist, damn it! I was raised RC so I loved the fact that they ordained women!

So, it is possible some of these DUers (I emphasize I' not saying ALL) have unconscious negative atittudes or beliefs that they aren't even aware of. I'm not saying this to puff myself up and say "tsk tsk those terrible people..." Hey, it happened to me.

People don't like to be told these things even indirectly so I'm gonna brace myself.

[Hiraeth]

14. Thank you for sharing and your honesty. I understand, I think, to some degree, I get it.

[LiberalElite]

17. I'm not a psychologist

and I don't play one on TV (That would be Dr. Phil ).

[Hiraeth]

18. love your sofa sigline, btw

[LiberalElite]

19. I think of removing it sometimes but, naaah.

[Hiraeth]

21. never! absolutely too cozy. It would take something really, really special to replace it.

[libdem4life]

24. Yes. As a white woman, it just so happened both major careers I chose welcomed women...

and the pay scales not gender identified. I hadn't much of a clue. Feminism was a novel idea and I jumped right on it, but did not understand many of the underlying layers other than what history told me. My Mother (they stayed married) was the dominant parent...so even there I didn't get it.

But I'm doing my best to listen and change. Like Bernie, perhaps, on race, misogyny, and equal pay. Where I get it is on the economic inequality. Especially now that I'm older and my middle years were spent raising a son. Now, at my age, I'm reviving my full time career because I can't live on SS.

Bernie has raised questions I never had, and prepared us for answers we weren't expecting, and perhaps actions we might not of thought about.

I stand ready to listen and discuss.

[ladjf]

5. I wish she would retire from politics, go home, spend time

with her family and enjoy her ill-gotten gains. nt

[Hiraeth]

7. me too. I don't begrudege her a dime. She earned it.

[libdem4life]

9. What did she do to earn these 6 figure speeches...yet, that is?

[Hiraeth]

15. Maybe I am sarcastic and yet, to a degree if she would just go away, I would consider it

money spent. expensive but, to some degree worth it.

[libdem4life]

25. That I agree with.

[Jarqui]

10. I have never felt this way about the media before.

Generally, in the past, they have been fair and honest, etc. They would correct things. Far from perfect but not awful. (FOX news came along, etc but I'm talking about others)

I wondered if I had tinted glasses for my candidate. But things like this suggest I do not:

2015 Airtime for 2016 Candidates
http://tyndallreport.com/
Trump 327 mins
Clinton 236 mins (half or so email & Benghazi)
Biden 73 mins
Bush 57 mins
Carson 57 mins
Rubio 22 mins
Cruz 21 mins
Sanders 20 mins

Sanders was a solid second for months. His numbers on predictwise were better than most of the GOP candidates the whole time and the media all but blacks him out.

At the debate, some of them were tilted toward Clinton in how they were handled by the moderator. No one did Bernie any big favors aside from shafting O'Malley that also helped Clinton.

There have been a number of other things but the editorials of the Washington Post and New York Times, I think they were unprecedented hit pieces. Both of them attacked the one thing Sanders has always been - his strongest suit: his honesty with dishonest or appallingly unfair attacks. And that was not the only over the top NYT article.

Then there was a flurry in the media of nonsense articles suggesting slightly naughty things about Bernie's campaign.

Yesterday, I checked the Des Moines Register for the top secret email story - which was front page on all mainstream news site's except ABC with old White House press secretary George Stroumboulopoulos. It was non existent.

I hate to whine about it as a supporter of the candidate by my candidate is getting a terrible shake in the media. It feels like there is definitely some intent to screw him over.

Clinton Foundation donors include dozens of media organizations, individuals
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/05/clinton-foundation-donors-include-dozens-of-media-organizations-individuals-207228

Are they buying Clinton because she'll give them a better cut of the internet media pie?

I don't know the answer but something is going on.

[Hiraeth]

16. I don't know the answer but something is going on.

yep. for sure.

[libdem4life]

26. More questionable tactics, more shenanigans, less trustworthy, the list goes on.

Who else got fabulously rich in politics?

[QC]

20. There have been some amazing turnarounds, to be sure.

I've been tired of both Clintons for a while, but I have never said anything half as ugly about them as current members of their fan club were spouting here just a few short years ago.

Really ugly stuff I'm talking about--"Billary," cracks about Monica's cigar, and the like--coming from those who now browbeat and swarm anyone who disagrees with Sec. Clinton's policies.

I guess it's all about that team spirit.

[Hiraeth]

22. yeah but, what a team ...

[QC]

23. True. How could anyone resist? n/t

[MisterP]

31. they openly say that they don't care what a candidate's positions are, they just will back

whatever the candidate does because the candidate's supporting it

"Thanks hilary for being such a lying, pandering fighter for yourself when you didn't fight against bush one fucking iota"

[onecaliberal]

27. She started more wars and violence.

[SamKnause]

28. It baffles me.

Bernie tells the Republicans they have amnesia.

Maybe it is catching.

At least that would make sense.

Her supporters on this site are very political and informed on the issues.

They know the truth !!!!!

When you are uninformed or misinformed I can understand you voting against

your best interest and the best interest of your country.

You don't know any better.

This is not the case for the Hillary supporters on this site.

I don't get it.

FEEL THE BERN

[Hiraeth]

29. FEEL THE BERN !! GET FIRED UP !!

[Doctor_J]

30. Pretty simple really. Personalities instead of principles

Look back at the comments of 2008 from some of this year's most avid Hillbots - Steve, Cha, Nance. There is absolutely no way in hell that a lifetime politician can, between the ages of 60 and 68, go from "unfit to be president" to "the most qualified candidate in history". So something else is driving their flipflopping. There are probably some components of

1. disdain for white males continuing to run the country
2. deep-seated hatred or at least mistrust of traditional Dem principles like living wage, clean water and air, healthcare as a right, an honest and fair judicial system, equality for LBGT, deep cuts to the ridiculous pentagon budget, and free education.
3. Fond memories of Bill Clinton's presidency
4. The thought of a Sanders presidency derailing Hillary's lifelong goal of being the first female president (the inevitably meme)

[MisterP]

32. WalMart actually perfected this sort of content-free feelgood corpo "progressivism"

like how even John Lewis praised WalMart for shutting down the Korean mom-and-pops, 'cus they's racist
so a female President is a feather in the cap, an openly tokenist "accomplishment" to put on the mantelpiece together with the first female astronaut, MD, PhD, CFO

heck, WalMart even has its own theology ...