Cannabis

fredamae

(4,458 posts) Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:40 PM Apr 2015

"Cancer patient given 18 months to live is ‘cured by cannabis’"

Truly amazing!!

http://metro.co.uk/2015/04/17/cancer-patient-given-18-months-to-live-is-cured-by-cannabis-5155190/

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"Cancer patient given 18 months to live is ‘cured by cannabis’" (Original Post) fredamae Apr 2015 OP

The only way to determine this is with double blind trials still_one Apr 2015 #1

'Cancer Research UK said it was aware of patients using cannabis extracts to treat themselves,,, tridim Apr 2015 #2

Actually it doesn't make sense. they need to have a well designed clinical trial still_one Apr 2015 #5

Unlikely Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #3

Why? fredamae Apr 2015 #4

That is why they need a well designed clinical trial. I do not have any issue if someone still_one Apr 2015 #6

Okay, let's break it down Kelvin Mace Apr 2015 #7

I'm an optimist fredamae Apr 2015 #8

Stan Rutner was told he had about 4 weeks...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #9

I'm hoping it helps my auto immune illness. It already helps my peripheral neuropathy NightWatcher Apr 2015 #10

I'm using it in addition to, not instead of, conventional treatment. eShirl Apr 2015 #11

still_one

(92,231 posts)

1. The only way to determine this is with double blind trials

Reply to fredamae (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:46 PM

Apr 2015

tridim

(45,358 posts)

2. 'Cancer Research UK said it was aware of patients using cannabis extracts to treat themselves,,,

Reply to still_one (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:52 PM

Apr 2015

but there was ‘no good evidence’ from clinical trials to prove it was safe and effective."

So apparently there are clinical trials, just no good evidence? Does that even make sense?

Here's an idea Cancer Research UK, START A CLINICAL TRIAL with the sole intent of GATHERING GOOD EVIDENCE. Do it today. People are in dire need of this research, quit complaining and deflecting and do your job!

still_one

(92,231 posts)

5. Actually it doesn't make sense. they need to have a well designed clinical trial

Reply to tridim (Reply #2)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:52 PM

Apr 2015

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)

3. Unlikely

Reply to fredamae (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:52 PM

Apr 2015

fredamae

(4,458 posts)

4. Why?

Reply to Kelvin Mace (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:34 PM

Apr 2015

I find it truly believable. I have not just heard about but have met patients who are Cancer Free after being given months to live....they swear it is because of cannabis oil. These folks don't know each other. Just because it's anecdotal evidence doesn't mean it isn't true.
THC is why. When it "sees" cancer cells it attacks them, depriving them of oxygen rich blood..the cancer cells begin to die off. Programmed cell death/Apoptosis.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070417193338.htm
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/10/24/study-cannabis-compounds-can-kill-cancer-cells
http://naturalsociety.com/does-marijuana-cause-cancer-research-yes/

I think they still aren't telling us the whole story.

still_one

(92,231 posts)

6. That is why they need a well designed clinical trial. I do not have any issue if someone

Reply to fredamae (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:57 PM

Apr 2015

Desires to take it on there own.

Incidentally, there is some evidence that it may be effective

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)

7. Okay, let's break it down

Reply to fredamae (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:02 PM

Apr 2015

A cancer patient claims to have been cured by cannabis.

Has his "cure" be verified by doctors? I don't see that in the story, so how do we know his "claim" is true.

‘I felt like the chemo was killing me and I had nothing to lose. I could not really accept I was going to die.’

He had underwent gruelling sessions of chemotherapy and radiotherapy before having surgery to remove his large bowel in March 2013, which were all unsuccessful.

So, he underwent traditional treatments of chemo and surgery, seems to me far more likely that his remission is thanks to that as opposed to thanks to marijuana.

Now, I am very much in favor of more medical research into cannabis, and favor its treatment for chemo patients, but I draw the line at vague claims in tabloid papers.

As to your links:

The active ingredient in marijuana cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread, say researchers at Harvard University who tested the chemical in both lab and mouse studies.

Mr. Hibbit was suffering from a cancer of the bowel, not lung cancer based on what the story said.

A British researcher has found that cannabinoids, a term for chemicals derived from marijuana, can kill leukemia cells, and he expects clinical trials for new medications to begin soon.

Again, wrong cancer.

Your last link was to Natural Society, a site of highly questionable scientific reliability that considers Dr. Oz and expert and supports anti-vaccination views.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)

8. I'm an optimist

Reply to Kelvin Mace (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:19 PM

Apr 2015

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)

9. Stan Rutner was told he had about 4 weeks......

Reply to fredamae (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:49 PM

Apr 2015

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)

10. I'm hoping it helps my auto immune illness. It already helps my peripheral neuropathy

Reply to fredamae (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:46 PM

Apr 2015

And unlike my weekly methotrexate, the side "effects" are more enjoyable.

eShirl

(18,494 posts)

11. I'm using it in addition to, not instead of, conventional treatment.

Reply to fredamae (Original post)

Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:52 AM

Apr 2015

I think it's helping me to thrive despite regular, heavy chemo (ACT) since December. My last treatment is this week. I haven't needed ANY additional medicine for pain or nausea, and I've been able to exercise to keep my strength up. If it contributes any anti-cancer effects at all, so much the better.

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