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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 11:32 AM Mar 2013

Why art and religion are natural bedfellows

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2013/mar/25/art-religion-natural-bedfellows

Dinner parties in a gallery make sense. As with religion, it takes more than a fleeting glance to glean the deeper purpose of art

Giles Fraser
guardian.co.uk, Monday 25 March 2013 10.07 EDT


Dinner at the Cock‘n’Bull gallery in Shoreditch, east London: 'The food isn’t really the main point. These are mini liturgical events, ways of trapping attention.'

Having the attention span of a gnat, I can go round an exhibition in minutes. I know it's a weakness. But I often stand before a work of art and want it to undress itself before me in seconds. And if it doesn't, I get the fidgets and move on. Unlike the theatre that traps you for a couple of hours, forcing you to take your time, visual art has less of a temporal hold. It requires an often absent quality of self-discipline. Art takes time.

Nicholas Alvis Vega's latest exhibition of paintings at the Cock'n'Bull gallery in Shoreditch, east London, plays with precisely this conundrum. Images of porn stars are juxtaposed with more chaste representations of Renaissance women, inviting the familiar observation that the partially hidden is so much sexier than the blatant, in your face, plastic enhanced and lifeless sexuality of porn. Sexuality, like art, also requires time. It demands a certain amount of work. Which is why this small gallery is now hosting regular dinner parties amid the paintings. But the food isn't really the main point. These are mini liturgical events, ways of trapping attention.

This week, being holy week, Christians will spend a great deal of time in church. On Thursday evening, following the last supper, I will sit up until midnight. It is an act of solidarity with the last hours of a man facing his death in the morning, who complained that his followers couldn't be bothered to stay up and keep him company. As someone with so high a fidget factor, it is a charge that I feel frequently convicted by. And that is the point of liturgy. It structures attention.

Arty dinner parties with Hoxton trendies may not have the moral density of the last supper, but they are secular expressions of the need for precisely this sort of captured attention. Which is why art and religion are natural bedfellows. There is no story that has captured the imagination of western art more than the Christian story unfolding this week. But like the paintings themselves, this story has little to offer those who want it to excavate its meaning in the few moments it takes to wander by with little more than idle curiosity. Given time, the relationship powerfully flips. Something happens. To begin with you stand before the scene, secure in your isolation as a lone voyeur. You are reading the painting. But after a while the painting begins to look back. When your interpretative gaze is exhausted, the work of art sets about its scrutiny of you. And that is when the deeper purpose begins to appear. Great art breaks down your assumed superiority of being in charge of the interpretation. Religion even more so. At some point, you stop reading it and it starts reading you.

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Why art and religion are natural bedfellows (Original Post) cbayer Mar 2013 OP
Art and religion go together well Shadowflash Mar 2013 #1
Please note what group you are in. cbayer Mar 2013 #2
I second that. kentauros Mar 2013 #5
Welcome back! cbayer Mar 2013 #6
I'm still not home. kentauros Mar 2013 #7
Ah, ok. Hope there is good weather! cbayer Mar 2013 #8
I feel the "art" of the Catholic mass, along with a cultural component inherent in Catholicism pinto Mar 2013 #3
Agree. cbayer Mar 2013 #4
Michael Cardew, one of the greatest okasha Mar 2013 #9
I like that. cbayer Mar 2013 #10
Religion has been the primary subject of art for a thousand years kwassa Mar 2013 #11

Shadowflash

(1,536 posts)
1. Art and religion go together well
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:45 PM
Mar 2013

for the same reason sci-fi and fantasy art goes well with those genres. It's a way of getting pictures of things that don't exist.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. Please note what group you are in.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:50 PM
Mar 2013

It is hoped that religion bashing (like dismissing people's beliefs as fantasy) will not occur here.

Thanks!

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
5. I second that.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 05:39 PM
Mar 2013

This is neither the Religion group nor the A/A group.
. . . . .
A better comparison would be to note that industrial art and engineering are good bedfellows

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
6. Welcome back!
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 05:50 PM
Mar 2013

Hope you had a wonderful time.

It has been a little slow in here, but going well so far.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
7. I'm still not home.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 06:01 PM
Mar 2013

In fact I'm sitting outside Ballroom A in the Austin Convention Center waiting for my GF to get out of an oracle card reading certification course

pinto

(106,886 posts)
3. I feel the "art" of the Catholic mass, along with a cultural component inherent in Catholicism
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 12:56 PM
Mar 2013

(as with any organized religion I guess), was long a tie to my participation in the church. I was always drawn to the ritual, the symbolism, the show and the attention.... As the author notes, art structures attention. Many times I've been in an art museum and seen visitors sitting before a piece of work, focused and attentive. I've seen the same thing in church.

Interesting premise and article.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. Agree.
Mon Mar 25, 2013, 01:00 PM
Mar 2013

During my childhood, making artistic banners was an important part of this season.

And there is no question that religion has inspired many, many artists.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
9. Michael Cardew, one of the greatest
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 01:28 AM
Mar 2013

twentieth century ceramic artists, said, «It usn't only a matter of ethic, ehics is your duty to your neighbor. Aesthetics is much bigger than ethics; aesthetics is your duty to the whole universe you're in.»

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. I like that.
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 11:23 AM
Mar 2013

As someone without a creative bone in my body, I have great reverence for those among us who carry my part of the load.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
11. Religion has been the primary subject of art for a thousand years
Thu Mar 28, 2013, 04:41 PM
Mar 2013

Western art didn't really start depicting secular subjects until the 1600s.

Here is the Sistine chapel, site of the recent papal conclave.





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