A couple of simple questions regarding the word "banners" and RKBA

[Starboard Tack]

I personally dislike this word "banners", which gets thrown around a lot by the 2A hardliners.

Does anybody in this group support a total ban on firearms and firearm ownership?

Does anyone here support repealing or amending 2A? And if so, would you replace it with something more up to date?

[Scuba]

1. Advocating that citizens be denied ownership of nuclear weapons risks being called a "banner".

[CBGLuthier]

2. I do, but I am leaving this insane country in 7 months so you guys fight it out.

[Starboard Tack]

7. Welcome to the rest of the world.

It is really quite wonderful out here. Like leaving the asylum.

[mwrguy]

11. I absolutely do, but I am stuck here

I don't think a total ban will ever happen, but it should be the ultimate goal.

[tosh]

3. I dislike it too.

I would never ADVOCATE for a total ban nor would I oppose one. A ban would not hurt my feelings one bit but that is not a goal of mine.

I would like to see clarification on the "well regulated militia" phrase and some upper limit on "arms".

What I TRULY dislike is all the derision and ridicule that is constantly thrown at the the groups (and individuals) who are trying to work towards curtailing gun violence. IMHO, that has no place on DU.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

4. No to question 1, yes to questions 2 and 3.

I wouldn't do a total ban. But I would be in favour of repeal or serious update the second amendment in view of the incredible change in destructive power and rate of fire of firearms and population growth in the country since the original was written.

I'd do away with the court interpretation that the second allows firearm ownership for 'self-defense', as opposed to national defense as part of a 'well-organized' militia, as well as make sure 'fear' was not a legal defense against manslaughter or murder charges, doing away entirely with 'stand your ground' laws. Allow hunting rifle and target shooting ownership, but require such guns to be stored in secure armories in community police stations when not checked out for use. Any 'historical' collections would have to be rendered completely inoperable, with the barrels filled with molten metal.

And, btw, this would apply to police as well. Officers would not carry firearms unless they were specifically sent to deal with a criminal KNOWN to be armed with a firearm. Using a gun in the commission of a crime would carry a mandatory minimum extra 20 years on top of any other criminal punishment, with no parole possible for that period.

Exemptions for shotguns and hunting rifles in rural areas with low population densities that allow them to store their own weapons if they own secure gun safes.

And mandatory liability insurance, licensing and safety recertifications every few years, just like on drivers.

[flamin lib]

5. It is also a reference to the number of gungeoneers banned from this group.

This group is referred to as "bansalot" but banners has come to mean anyone who supports any form of legislation however beneign. Everything equates to confiscation in crazy gunland.

I have an interesting observation tho, when posting to gun related threads in GD or other forums/groups some of the gungeoneers are polite, reasonable and often express support for many of the proposals to decrease gun violence. However in either of the gun groups spittle flies from the lips (keyboards) of even the most moderate gungeoneers. It's like they are afraid their friends won't like them anymore.

[flamin lib]

6. To reply to the questions posed:

No to a total ban. Yes to banning all new sales of semiauto guns, long and short, with removable magazines. If you can't defend yourself with a revolver you shouldn't have a gun.

No to a repeal of 2nd but a return to the view held by the SCOTUS for the hundred or so years before Heller.

Would like to see universal background check to include "may issue" input from the chief local law enforcement officer, mandatory education class before first purchase, mandatory safe storage, repeal of stand your ground, implementation of must retreat, no reciprocity of ccw permits, return to may issue for ccw, extending NICS coverage to all domestic abusers (even during adjudication) and a federal registration system to facilitate removal of guns from people who may be a danger to themselves or others.

[stone space]

8. I'd wholeheartedly support the repeal of the 2nd Commandment.

That would enable folks to discuss the issue rationally from a public policy perspective without the spectre of Scalia's fundamentalist interpretation of it lurking in the background.

[Starboard Tack]

9. How do you feel about firearm ownership?

Should all guns be banned, or is there a legitimate place for them in a civilized society?

[stone space]

10. I wouldn't have a big problem with a fairly strict ban on most guns.

But that wouldn't follow from simply repealing the 2nd Amendment.