History of Feminism
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Im a half-assed vegan. That means I edit the list of things I will and wont eat at will, and that I do so frequently. But, because I sometimes stick to the rules, Ive got a few vegan cookbooks. One of those cookbooks is Vegan with a Vengeance by Isa Chandra Moskowitz. She apparently has or had some local access show in New York called the Post Punk Kitchen (What does that even mean? Does she imbue her dishes with the spirit of Sonic Youth and The Jesus Lizard or something?), and shes got a related website. One day I happened upon a section of the websites forums called Food Porn XXX. Say what? I seriously thought for a second that I might find images therein of people committing lewd acts with seitan (Satan!). I know, Im a dork. What it really is is a collection of photos people have taken of edible items theyve cooked, usually based loosely on Moskowitzs recipes.
Then, a few years later, I came across some link on some stupid website (Im sure it was something owned by Gawker) that was categorized as hotel porn. Apparently people are creaming their shorts over images of $950-a-night hotel rooms. That shit was weird enough, but what really blows my mind is puppy porn. You know, photos of puppies for people who really like to squeal over cute shit. Ill admit that I dont give a shit about puppies, but it struck me as odd for several other reasons as well. First, why are we using the word porn to refer to images that have nothing to do with depictions of sex (whoops, I mean prostitution)? And second, as pornography is basically synonymous with obscenity, does it really make sense to use the term to refer to pictures of lentil loaf and baby dachshunds? Third, doesnt using the term porn in connection with innocuous, fairly wholesome things like vegan snacks and pets (puppy mills notwithstanding) lessen its impact and help normalize the consumption of real pornography in mainstream daily life? Actually, I think the fact that were using the word porn in so many contexts means the work of normalizing porn culture has already been done, that the acceptance of rampant porn use as a matter of course is already taken for granted.
Whore/ porne is a misogynistic term, applied to women whom men can abuse with impunity, and near impunity. It comes from the sexual, political and economic subordination of women.
When we look at puppy porn, we are not looking at the graphic representation of a cultural hatred of puppies. When we look at food porn, we arent seeing burritos degraded, we arent absorbing the message that dumplings are filthy sluts that deserve to have their heads shoved into toilets and their faces ejaculated on. No one is attempting to assert their power over fancy hotel rooms by making hotel rooms suck a dick thats already been in the hotel rooms ass, all while calling the hotel room a whore and slapping it around. And no beagle, quiche, or deluxe suite has had to pretend it enjoys undergoing serious abuse in order to excite a lascivious audience of porn lovers.
I dont mean to be gross, but I think people need reminding about what actually goes on in porn, and I think people need reminding that we ought to reserve the use of that word for describing real, actual pornography. I have a step-daughter. She likes pictures of puppies. I dont want to hear that her desire to look at a photo of a baby dog is somehow equivalent to some piece of shits hankering after images of women allowing themselves to be fucked by grown-up dogs. And Moskowitz ought to be ashamed of herself. She claims to be an anarcha-feminist. Can someone tell me how photos of vegan cupcakes equate with images of womens sexual and economic exploitation? Words matter and shit.
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redqueen
(115,103 posts)I can't stand that porn has become a suffix meaning .... something so idiotic, I don't really know. It's too stupid for me to even consider trying to figure it out.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)right? cause we all like porn so fuckin much.
they use porn to describe the trash in life, yet when talking about porn.... you know, actual porn, it is up there with slice bread.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the outrage. to normalize the porn into every day life. it is like there must be the normalization of it for acceptance in use. i think this is one of the issues that bother me the most about the battles i see on du.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Prostitution isn't quite there but people are trying hard to make that ok too.
Back in the day playboy used to run comics making light of pedophilia, they can't get away with that anymore though, but just the fact that it was done at all... it says so much. None of this will go away without a huge fight. Power concedes nothing without demand after all.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)I can confidently say not a one would want to normalize porn into every day life.
I had the same thought. Make "porn" seem lighthearted, normal, fun. "Ooooooo, look, kitty porn! Car porn! Techno-gadget porn!"
It makes porn seem normal, fun, mainstream, all good.
I cannot make a blanket objection to all sexual "porn", all the time, but the normalization of extreme and degrading sexual imagery concerns me.
This has leaked over into everyday advertising, too, as we see all the time. The sexualization of everything. The "pornification" and objectifying of women everywhere you look. And increasingly those "women" are younger and younger. To me, it's a very disturbing trend.
I maintain that people with normal, healthy sexuality don't need to exaggerate it the way so many so called "sex positive" folks seem to want to do.
Sorry, I digressed and kind of rambled... I have a lot on my mind and I am trying to figure it all out.
" I maintain that people with normal, healthy sexuality don't need to exaggerate it the way so many so called "sex positive" folks seem to want to do."
First we have to destroy the patriarchy, then we can find out what normal, healthy sexuality is. I suspect that you're right and once dominance stops being fetishized, there won't be any desire to see other people doing whatever.