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sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 01:34 PM Aug 2014

Should tampons and pads be free to low income women?

This woman caught so much violent grief for even suggesting this might be a good idea.I think she makes some very good points:

In order to reduce the financial and social burden menstruation puts on women, "women’s feminine hygiene products should be free for all, all the time." For those of us who can easily afford tampons and sanitary pads, this might seem like a silly idea, but, as Valenti points out, for women living in "countries where sanitary products are inaccessible or unaffordable," the lack of access means missing work or school, getting infections from reusing the same rags without cleaning them, and even dropping out of school because your period causes you to fall so far behind in your studies. But while that's more of a problem in developing countries, even in places like the United States, the high price of tampons means "some women resort to selling their food stamps in order to pay for 'luxuries' like tampons."

I read Valenti's piece less as a policy proposal and more as an attempt to reframe public understanding of menstruation. By starting with a provocative suggestion that tampons should be free, Valenti is asking audiences to really think about how the right to move about in public without bleeding all over yourself, a no-brainer for men, is a privilege for women that depends all too much on their ability to afford sanitary products. Odds are that tampons will never be free for all women everywhere in the world, but thought experiments like Valenti’s can open the door to possibilities that make life a little more fair for women: repealing sales taxes on tampons, providing tampon subsidies to low income women, putting free bowls of tampons into every workplace bathroom, pushing for innovations to lower the expense of sanitary products, or, in some developing countries, offering tampons for free to girls and women so they don't miss school or work because of their periods.

Unfortunately, "the idea of women even getting small tax breaks for menstrual products provokes incredulousness because some people lack an incredible amount of empathy ... and because it has something to do with vaginas," Valenti writes. And she’s not just speculating. When Valenti was doing research for her piece, she innocently asked on Twitter, "Anyone know a country where tampons are free or somehow subsidized?" Merely asking the question triggered an unbelievable—and unbelievably misogynist—stream of abuse on Twitter aimed at Valenti. Robyn Wilder at Buzzfeed collected some of the tweets, most of which centered on the idea that women's bodies are extremely disgusting and that women should not offer opinions about things women might need.

The abuse seems to have been kicked off by the right wing blog Twitchy. "Jessica Valenti is looking for a place to score free tampons," the site’s headline reads. Not that any of her critics will pick up on this, but there's a deep irony here. By targeting Valenti for abuse for even bringing up the issue of free tampons, anti-feminists ended up proving Valenti's point: Menstrual products are treated like luxury items that you "score" instead of medical devices that you need because there's so much cultural discomfort with women's bodies.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/08/11/jessica_valenti_says_tampons_should_be_free_people_freak_out.html

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Should tampons and pads be free to low income women? (Original Post) sufrommich Aug 2014 OP
I say Yes. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #1
Thank you,I agree. It's been awhile since I've needed either,but sufrommich Aug 2014 #3
Absolutely YES! theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #5
When I think of the gov't provided perks afforded the wealthiest among us... NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #10
In developing countries access to hygiene products is an absolutely critical issue theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #12
Here's the article I was looking for theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #17
Excellent article.The more I read about cloth pads, sufrommich Aug 2014 #21
Sounds like a useful public health measure. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #2
Holy shit that is an excellent idea. redqueen Aug 2014 #4
Pads for Girls is a charitable org. that provides sufrommich Aug 2014 #6
I use Lunapads. KitSileya Aug 2014 #13
Are they as absorbant as regular pads? sufrommich Aug 2014 #14
I feel they are. KitSileya Aug 2014 #15
Thanks for the interesting info,KitSileya. nt sufrommich Aug 2014 #22
You're welcome! I am always happy to share info on cloth pads. KitSileya Aug 2014 #23
I didn't post it in GD,I felt I haven't been sufrommich Aug 2014 #8
Yes, yes, and yes! Laffy Kat Aug 2014 #7
Yes! eom sheshe2 Aug 2014 #9
Yes, absolutely yes. djean111 Aug 2014 #11
Yes. I've always felt this way. KarenS Aug 2014 #16
Yes! Phentex Aug 2014 #18
Absolutely Orrex Aug 2014 #19
Makes sense n/t Flatpicker Aug 2014 #20
Well if the GOP has it this way they already solutioned it... LynneSin Aug 2014 #24
Making it a womens' issue is a mistake. It should be a people issue Android3.14 Aug 2014 #25
No sounds demeaning. Should be able to afford them based on support net on point Aug 2014 #26
Fine with me. Any low-income female should be able to have "this" basic necessity. BlueJazz Aug 2014 #27
Yes... CherokeeDem Aug 2014 #28

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
3. Thank you,I agree. It's been awhile since I've needed either,but
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 01:43 PM
Aug 2014

any woman who's ever been on a tight budget knows these can be somewhat expensive necessities. Third world poor women need hygienic alternatives too.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
10. When I think of the gov't provided perks afforded the wealthiest among us...
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 02:41 PM
Aug 2014

...like better police protection, access to improved infrastructure, any number of things that are paid by all of us....

...it makes me want to provide tampons and pads, and through in good shoes and new clothes, and eye care, and nutrition, and, well, you know!

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
12. In developing countries access to hygiene products is an absolutely critical issue
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 02:54 PM
Aug 2014

I had read an article just a couple of days ago about this, though there have been numerous articles posted about it over the past several years. (Unfortunately, like a dumbass I accidentally deleted the link or I would have posted it.)

One thing we all can do is donate such products to the local women's shelters.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
21. Excellent article.The more I read about cloth pads,
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:47 PM
Aug 2014

the more I think this is the way to go. Your HuffPo link has a link to charitable orgs that provide them.I think this will be my next donation.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. Sounds like a useful public health measure.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 01:39 PM
Aug 2014

From my socialist viewpoint, I would also suggest that the government could do so in the least expensive fashion by building and running their own manufacturing facilities for such, rather than simply buying product from private corporations to funnel taxpayer money into government contractor shareholder profit.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
6. Pads for Girls is a charitable org. that provides
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 02:02 PM
Aug 2014

menstrual care products to Africa:


Pads4Girls is a social impact project of Lunapads. Our mission is to support better access to education for girls in developing nations, by providing sustainable, affordable menstrual care products for girls in need, as well as improving menstruation awareness.

Since 2000, Lunapads has been providing girls and women in developing nations with cloth pads and underwear so that they can attend school or work during their period.
menstrual care products for girls in need in Africa:

We first learned of the issue when we were contacted by Zimbabwean/Canadian activist Isabella Wright. She informed us that girls and women, in many areas, had little or nothing to help them manage their menses. In many communities, disposable menstrual products are impossibly expensive. As a result they were missing school or work rather than risking discomfort or ridicule.

Lack of access to menstrual products effects millions of girls in the developing world. As many as 10% of school aged girls miss school because of it. The effect of these missed days is devastating, with girls missing up to 20% of their education, thereby increasing the likelihood of dropping out, earlier marriage and pregnancy as well as limiting career options.

The solution is simple; provide school girls with washable menstrual pads and underwear that will last them for years. Providing reusable products means the burden of purchasing products each month is removed and the environmental devastation that thousands of disposable pads would have on the landscape is alleviated.

The case for girl's education is well documented as one of the most important tools for development. We believe that no one should have to miss out on opportunities that will affect their future, simply because they have a period.
http://lunapads.com/about-us/donate-pads


It would be wonderful to see U.S. foreign aid include these important health care needs.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
13. I use Lunapads.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:02 PM
Aug 2014

I have for 5.5 years now, and very happy I am with them too. I had to use disposables while travelling last month, and all I can say is eurgh! Very plasticy.

The pads for girls initiative is a great one, because it isn't a monthly expenditure. Of course, it does necessitate access to water to clean them, and as such, the Diva cup might have been a better reusable choice as needing less water, but at the same time, menstrual cup use needs water at the moment of emptying, while the pads can wait to be washed. So for their life situation, pads are wonderful, and once they have seen the prototype, they can make their own, by hand sewing if necessary.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
14. Are they as absorbant as regular pads?
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:05 PM
Aug 2014

As I said,I have no need for pads anymore but I see a lot of cloth pads sold on Etsy now.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
15. I feel they are.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:19 PM
Aug 2014

In many disposables, I feel like the blood isn't absorbed but sort of lie on top of the pad. Lunapads absorb all the blood, I feel, and they are adjustable as you are weraing them. The disposables sort of get full in one spot, and then you can't move them higher, you have to change them, because of the adhesive.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
23. You're welcome! I am always happy to share info on cloth pads.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 04:04 PM
Aug 2014

And menstruation. It is soooo important that menstruation becomes ordinary and ok to talk about, even to and in front of men. Menstruation being taboo hurts girls and women. It hurts society. It strengthens patriarchy. It is injurious to the relationships between men and women. It can be injurious to sexual relationships.

If I became dictator for a day, one of the things I would do is to mandate the use of deep red liquid in ads and commercials that want to demonstrate the absorbency of tampons and pads.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
8. I didn't post it in GD,I felt I haven't been
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 02:07 PM
Aug 2014

contributing much to HoF lately and felt bad about it. The twitter feed for "tampon" is pretty interesting right now:




https://twitter.com/search?q=tampons&src=typd

Laffy Kat

(16,379 posts)
7. Yes, yes, and yes!
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 02:03 PM
Aug 2014

We can certainly start with that. If men menstruated you better believe the products would be free and easily available. There would also be paid time off from work for a couple of days a month. Birth control products would also be free.

KarenS

(4,076 posts)
16. Yes. I've always felt this way.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:28 PM
Aug 2014

The only thing worse than a socialist would be a feminist-socialist that would be me.

Orrex

(63,212 posts)
19. Absolutely
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:36 PM
Aug 2014

Insurance providers should be required to cover them 100%, and they should be free or almost free for everyone else.


 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
25. Making it a womens' issue is a mistake. It should be a people issue
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 04:11 PM
Aug 2014

Personal hygiene is personal hygiene, and if it's okay for women, then it is okay for the other gender else.

The systemic error here is the restriction by the government on using food stamps (SNAP) to buy toiletries. People on government support should be able to spend that money on hygiene products - man or woman.

Additionally, there are micro-industries to make tampons that women are using to lift themselves out of poverty and male dependence in other countries. Maybe that should happen here.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/the-tampon-king-who-sparked-a-period-of-change-for-indias-women-7897093.html

It's unfortunate that people responded crudeness, but an article like this is a bit like Bill O'Reilly sending a cameraman around to show how ignorant people can be by just editing out the comments that don't support the premise. In this case, the impression is that "the question triggered an unbelievable—and unbelievably misogynist—stream of abuse on Twitter aimed at Valenti." Which appears to be true because she makes no mention of people who support her idea or provide reasoned responses.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
27. Fine with me. Any low-income female should be able to have "this" basic necessity.
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 04:44 PM
Aug 2014

What the hell is the big deal about that?

(Sweet Jesus ...it's going to cost each American like 3 dollars a year !!)

You know, our society is just... weird

CherokeeDem

(3,709 posts)
28. Yes...
Mon Aug 11, 2014, 05:38 PM
Aug 2014

The fact is food stamps recipients should be allowed to buy personal items like tampons, toilet paper, deodorant... perhaps a second subsidy added to their SNAP card which would allow them to buy these types of necessities.

I have a friend who works for a non-profit technical school. He told me that the school ran through case after case of toilet paper, because so many of their students a on SNAP and live in subsidized housing. Many have children and one of the things SNAP won't buy is toilet paper. They will take a roll from the school... technically stealing but the school director wanted them to be sanitary, and paid for the toilet paper.

How can we allow this? The poor are accused of being on the take... but these people are trying to do better... learning cosmetology, culinary, childhood education... they are trying and we can't offer them toilet paper. It's horrid....

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