Hell, the same ones denying male privilege are denying white privilege

[boston bean]

It's all that same part and parcel of ideas that continue to emphasize, in my mind, that our struggles aren't even close to being over come.

[Scuba]

1. No one could have predicted that.

[ismnotwasm]

4. Heh!

[randys1]

2. Yep, and I for one am sick and tired of em, especially if they also claim to be liberals

It is bad enough a con denies these things, they dont know any better, yet.

but when libs do it makes me see red

And I love what George said about Obama, and coming from me, a person known to criticize Obama, this is saying something, I mean fuck sakes folks, look at the alternative


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[JustAnotherGen]

6. Love this randy

So glad you found your way to DU!

[randys1]

7. Thank you, I like it here, and I have every intention of NEVER shutting up :-)

and may I remind you to follow my twitter account and

https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote

and per my twitter

Republican Party does NOT want liberals, minorities and students to be allowed to vote: post pics and info here if you experience voter obstruction.

And while you are at it, if you have access to Free Speech TV, check this show out, Angry Black Lady is one of the usual suspects on the show

https://www.freespeech.org/collection/ablackshow-elon-james-white

[hfojvt]

12. and George Clooney is worth $160 million

so no wonder he is happy with Obama.

I am furious over my ONE issue - the fact that Obama kept the Bush tax cuts - even for the rich.

Clooney made $19,000,000 in 2010. And $46 million in 2013.

So, by keeping the Bush tax cuts in 2010, Clooney saved about $760,000 in taxes because the top rate did not go up by 4%.

I guess I would be really happy with Obama too if he put $700,000 in MY pocket.

[boston bean]

14. The measure of a person is not their wealth.

Hell, look at Mitt Romney and Ann Romney.

Seems you see life through one spectrum (your own only), and I think that is the err of your ways.

[hfojvt]

31. if you, unlike me, can see through other spectrums

like, say, mine,

then, consider where I am on the "privileged" issue

race - where non-whites are oppressed and whites are privileged (oppressors, or just the beneficiaries of oppression?)

gender - where non-males are oppressed and males are privileged

sex - where GLBTQ are oppressed and straights are privileged

I am always one of the "bad guys".

Sure white females will embrace the concept of "white privilege" because it helps to strengthen the club they get to swing about "male privilege".

Clooney, of course, is a great guy, because he defended Obama, and Obama just incidentally promoted a policy which gave $1.5 million to Clooney.

Me, I am a fink, because I might charge that BOTH parties have been bought by rich people, and NEITHER of them, at least at the federal level, will side with the bottom 80%.

[liberalmike27]

15. Yea

It's hard to see the little people, from way up there on your mountain of money.

That said, Obama is operating in a context of 35 years of no "Fairness Doctrine," in our media, which resulted beginning in 1987, of television and the networks putting up a right-wing media, or a very short, right tilted "range" from MSNBC (which really didn't show up until 2002 or so, due to liberals and democrats leaving the media going to the Internet in droves) to FOX.

So that is 25 years of BS television, worshiping the rich, and hating on the poor. But it would have been nice if he'd towed the line, and been a bit more careful about not alienating his base in 2010, which gave up the House, as if constant filibusters in the Senate, weren't enough.

I like to wonder what it would've been like with another 5 or so Democratic Senators, or 66, like FDR had in his first term. Suffice it to say, in my dreams, we're doing a lot better in this scenario, as we'd have passed measures to actually bring jobs back, to cut tax breaks to corporations, and remove incentives to off-shore, and globalize away jobs.

But we didn't--and we had wildly unprecedented resistance in the Senate, then gerrymandering due to Republicans working States hard, winning, then making onerous laws which beat us in the House. We can't afford to not be united, as we will fall, and no despair is allowed, at least not at the voting booth. And hey, third party liberals--if you can't win a Democratic Party primary, then don't run, as you damned sure aren't going to win as a Third Party. You're just going to push us further to the right.

[Louisiana1976]

52. Well said.

[SunSeeker]

21. Then why aren't the Koch brothers happy with Obama?

To suggest Clooney likes Obama because he got a tax break is a ridiculous smear of Clooney. Clooney would have gotten a much larger tax break under Romney or McCain. And Obama did eliminate the Bush tax breaks on the wealthiest. He didn't do it right away because he used them as a bargaining chip to get rid of DADT, a historic accomplishment.

[hfojvt]

28. because by being unhappy with Obama

they move the debate to the right.

The debate was between

Obama - keep 78% of the Bush tax cuts (with 13% of the benefits going to the top 1% and 4.7% going to the bottom 20% (this is the OBAMA proposal, mind you - tilted to the top 1% over the bottom 20%)

Republicans - keep 100% of the Bush tax cuts (with 26% to the top 1% and 1.6% to the bottom 20%)

So, when the dust finally settled, the permanent tax cuts that Obama signed into law AFTER his re-election were

87% of the Bush tax CUTS are now permanent with 18% of the benefits going to the richest 1%, 36% going to the richest 5%, and 10% going to the poorest 40%.

Something Krugman (incidentally a member of the top 5%) says REDUCES inequality.

And the Koch billionaires are totally upset about those tax increases, supposedly.

Clooney's upset too. But not at Obama, for favoring the top 5% over the bottom 40%. He's upset at ME, for not wildly cheering for Obama.

[SunSeeker]

40. Clooney is not saying you should be "wildly cheering for Obama."

He's pissed off at people who don't stand up for Obama when they should.

Are you suggesting the Koch's are secret Obama supporters? Seriously?

[BainsBane]

35. You do know he has had bill upon bill before the House

Who refused to bring it to a vote. Obama didn't decide to keep the tax cuts. Read the damn constitution. This stuff has to not only go through the House but begin in the House.

[hfojvt]

61. the tax cuts were set to expire automatically - twice

and twice Obama made a "compromise" first to keep them for two years and then later to make most of them permanent.

Both of those moves were far far more favorable to Clooney than they were to me, and Clooney, of course, is a major donor and I am not. Yet I make some donations which brings me letters asking for more donations and where Obama or a surrogate says "we are fighting for YOU all of the time. Help us fight by sending some of your cash."

I tore up one of those letters and sent it back to them in the postage paid envelope.

[ismnotwasm]

3. Of all the things I've ever seen at DU

That revalation was both the most fascinating and disgusting. So you see these very familiar names spouting off the same shit almost and you think you're in the wrong thread-- 'I know this thread was about racism dammit'. Then--'oh shit-- you've got to be fucking kidding me'

Surreality happens

It's a Libertarian infiltration. And that's the kind interpretation.

[hfojvt]

11. maybe it is an "invasion" of working class white males

Here's an article I read the other day.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gina-crosleycorcoran/explaining-white-privilege-to-a-broke-white-person_b_5269255.html

Note the initial reaction

"Years ago some feminist on the Internet told me I was "privileged."

"THE F&CK!?!?" I said.

I came from the kind of poor that people don't want to believe still exists in this country. Have you ever spent a frigid northern-Illinois winter without heat or running water? I have. At 12 years old were you making ramen noodles in a coffee maker with water you fetched from a public bathroom? I was. Have you ever lived in a camper year-round and used a random relative's apartment as your mailing address? We did...."

And then she goes on to explain intersectionality, which explains how, even though you are in the burn unit of a hospital with second degree burns over 80% of your body, you can STILL have "white male privilege".

Or let's use a real example - Reginal Denny.

"His skull was fractured in 91 places and pushed into the brain. His left eye was so badly dislocated that it would have fallen into his sinus cavity had the surgeons not replaced the crushed bone with a piece of plastic. A permanent crater remains in his head despite efforts to correct it. Denny had to undergo years of rehabilitative therapy, and his speech and ability to walk were permanently damaged."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Reginald_Denny

Thanks to the concept of intersectionality, you can explain to him how he can still have white male privilege in spite of the fact that his skull was fractured in 91 places and he had to undergo years of rehabilitive therapy and his speech and ability to walk were permanently damanged.

You COULD do that, I guess, and then get also mad at him when he failed to embrace the concept. (He's just not enlightened, like George Clooney, quoted (and pictured) above.)

I have to wonder though, why would anybody want to?

p.s. Yes, and speak of the devil and he often appears.

[boston bean]

13. Of course class plays a part in how people live their experiences.

However, so does race and that's one thing you don't have to experience. Deal.with.it.

[Celebration]

16. Class has far more to do with privilege than race

They are correlated, but independent variables, I feel. Poor and black are correlated, rich and white are correlated. But if one is poor and white, there is no privilege. If one is black and rich, doors are open. It is pretty obvious to me that class is by far the better variable to look at than race, at this point, when it comes to privilege.

Is Condoleeza Rice privileged or not? If not, why not? If so, why?

[boston bean]

17. These are right wing arguments regarding race, that I am reading.

Because Condoleeza Rice was successful politically and Obama became president, doesn't mean that race is not an issue in this country.

You want to deny that it plays any role, go right on ahead.

[hfojvt]

29. you didn't answer the question though

except to attack the questioner.

IS Rice privieged, or not?

Or am I, myself, the one who is privileged being white and male instead of black and female (like Rice)?

[ismnotwasm]

32. Yes

Last edited Sun May 11, 2014, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)

But,Let's go there. Is Rice as privileged as Clinton? Do you think she's ever experienced racism, or a career set back because of race? Been called racial epitaphs behind her back? To her face? Remember, this is a RW black woman.

Do you think she has a chance in hell of becoming president?

[Celebration]

41. There was much more racial discrimination

When Rice grew up.

Being called names is horrible but really doesn't have to do "privilege".


Privilege has to do with resources controlled and connections to people with power. Rice has these now.

Poor people of any color do not have privilege.

[ismnotwasm]

43. I thought we were comparing

I didn't bring up Rice. Not the example I would have chosen. So you think the poor blacks and poor whites have the same experiences?

[Celebration]

54. Nobody has the same experience

Do they?

You can't really compare without knowing if there is a father present, drugs in the house, working parents, age of parents, neighborhood, mental health, etc. etc. There is simply too wide of a variety of experiences among each group to compare one to another.

But we aren't talking about similar experiences, we are talking about who has more or less privilege.

The poor, no matter what color, are not privileged.

[ismnotwasm]

56. Hmm

Ok.
Let's look at a few stats

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/

This is not broken down by gender, which paints a even more dismal picture.

Now I got that damn song 'does anybody really know what time it is' in my head.

You can group experiences, and in the poor black community you will find racism and less privilege than poor whites. Why?

We can get into incarceration rates.

And racist lending laws--as late as the '80's that led to a lack of inheritable wealth

Hell, we could talk about racist re-districting right now. It's not poor whites they're worries about.

I could name a number of things that lead to lack of privilege because of skin color, in favor of the invisible standard of whiteness

"Nobody has the same experience" Good God, that's a long reach for a ridiculous argument

[hfojvt]

60. but if you group experiences by race

then you are grouping rich and middle class blacks in with poor blacks and rich and middle class whites in with poor whites.

And that is the same argument that I have had over and over.

It is said that low income whites have privilege over low income non-whites.

But what about the REST of the country?

Low income whites generally have LESS privilege than the 80% of the country that has MORE income, and that 80% includes a whole bunch of non-whites. Why should they only look at 20% (where they may have more privilege) and ignore the 80% where they have less privilege? Is 20% of reality somehow more significant than 70-80%?

[ismnotwasm]

68. *sigh*

White privilege 101: Here’s the basic lesson Paul Ryan, Tal Fortgang and Donald Sterling need


http://www.salon.com/2014/05/09/white_privilege_101_heres_the_basic_lesson_paul_ryan_tal_fortgang_and_donald_sterling/

[Celebration]

42. Race is an issue

But that isn't what we are discussing. Resources and connections are what define privilege, not the color of the skin.

[boston bean]

48. Oh yes, it is what we are discussing.

[SunSeeker]

24. Poor whites have privilege compared to poor blacks.

Certainly class is more determinative of one's lot in life, but to say that "if one is poor and white, there is no privilege" suggests that poor whites do not have it better than poor blacks. That is just factually incorrect.

And poor white males have privilege compared to poor white females.

[nomorenomore08]

57. Poor white males are a lot less likely than poor black males to be killed by police.

Poor white males are a lot less likely than poor white females to sexually assaulted or harassed.

As shitty as one's life may be, it could easily be even shittier if they weren't white and/or male.

[hfojvt]

62. but why should poor people

only compare themselves to other poor people instead of looking at the BIG picture?

Oooh, low income white people have privileges. A homeless white guy is pretty much KING of the homeless. He should think of himself as "privileged" and never mind all the non-white people who have homes.

You have narrowed the argument down to only the bottom 20%.

I can concede that privilege exists IF you ignore 80% of the data.

But I don't think ignoring 80% of the data is a valid method (although at the same time I remember using ceteris paribus on somebody who claimed he was NOT rich (but I think I also conceded the point - based on the other circumstances he mentioned.)).

[BainsBane]

63. We are talking about the big picture

Part of which you insist doesn't count--the non-white male part.

It's not a competition. It's not that poor people aren't disadvantaged. Of course they are. Class if one factor that structures society; race, gender, and sexuality are others. No one is saying class isn't enormously important, rather than race influences whether one faces discrimination based on skin color or not.

I tried to explain it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024941179

[hfojvt]

65. not buying it already

because there is no clear demarcation of excrement. Some white people are putting up with all kinds of excrement, and some non-white people are not putting up with nearly as much. There is not a clear demarcation between white and non-white.

True, the excrement that white people put up with, other than a rare exception like Reginald Denny and some other white people targetted partially because of their race. But usually the excrement they put up with is not because of race.

Then you mentioned Trayvon.

And I remember walking to church one day, crossing the street, and cutting across the parking lot of the Christian church. I looked both ways and saw a cop half a block away signalling for a right turn. Except for some reason, he went straight ahead and went around the block, checking me out.

Apparently he thought a white male walking to church was suspicious.

Another time I was standing in front of the library waiting for a song on my walkman to end before going into the library. Cop waves me over "what are you doing?" and I have to spend a couple minutes (and also stop the song I was listening to) explaining that I am going to the library. He says "oh, I didn't know the library was open on Sundays." So I said "I guess you'd know that, IF YOU EVER READ A BOOK!!!"

Well, those weren't my exact words.

My homeless friend John B, thought it was funny though when the cop asked "Are you new in town?" and I said "No, I've lived here for six weeks."

And the other example about straight people not getting beaten up. How do you know? Once walking around the capital at night in Lincoln, Ne (where I lived right across the street in slum apartments) it crossed my minds that there had been reports of "gay bashing" in that neighborhood. Well if a bunch of a$$hole thugs are going around looking for somebody to beat up, how are they gonna know I am not gay?

MY point is that there is a lot more excrement that a poor person has to put up with, such that it is highly insulting to tell such a person that they are privileged, especially if the person doing the telling has a much higher income.

I was told to "stop feeling sorry for myself" and at the same time was told "to have sympathy for Oprah".

I mean, how dare a white male who is working poor (sort of) talk about his own troubles and deny his own privileges?

Because the excrement you avoid by being white and male is not nearly as great as the excrement that hits you for being poor.

I never said that non-whitemales don't count. Lots of them are poor too, but in general, I don't have all that much sympathy for non-whites or non-males who are non-poor, especially for the 50% who are above the median income.

[SunSeeker]

64. Privilege is relative, like wealth.

I am not ignoring the 80%. You are ignoring the 20% who are worse off than you. Compared to women and blacks in that 20%, you have privileges they don't have.

[hfojvt]

74. even IF that was true

Ignoring 20% is not as bad as ignoring 80%.

In what way are you NOT ignoring the 80%? A black person or a female with three times my income and twice my wealth is certainly far better off than I am.

Compared to that HUGE difference, any privileges I might have over my fellow members of the bottom 20% are pretty darned insignificant.

[SunSeeker]

75. I am not ignoring the 80%. You are ignoring the effect of sex and color in all classes.

The black person or female with three times your income are richer than you despite their color or sex, not because of it. There is no advantage they have over you because of their sex or color. Their sex and color limited their opportunities from the day they were born. And they got rich despite that. Your race and sex did not limit you in any way. However, assuming you were born poor, your poverty definitely limited you. And despite being born white and male, you stayed poor, as poor people tend to do.

I agree that class is much more determinative of your station in life than race or sex. But within each class, the white males have more privileges than the others.

And your privileges over your fellow members of the bottom 20% who happen to be female or black are not "insignificant."

As I previously told you, bigotry adds to the burden of the poor who do not happen to be white and male.

My mom was a janitor, like you. But because she was a woman, she was afraid to take the late night jobs cleaning offices because she was afraid she'd get jumped on her way home (as a poor woman, she had no car). So, she had to take the lower paying, but day-time job of motel maid. My dad was a construction worker. He did not worry about people jumping him at night. And even though both of my parents worked bone-breaking jobs, my mom came home to be a maid to a construction worker. If us kids looked tattered, people would look askance at her, not my dad. We were her responsibility according to societal mores. My mom and my dad were poor, but my mom was way more oppressed in every sense of the word. Her oppression continued even at home. She had no respite. He was the king of the castle, as humble as it was. She was his servant. She cooked, she cleaned, she took care of us kids AND she worked full time. Things have not changed a whole hell of a lot as far as I can tell.

I know the indignities of poverty. But I also know how sexism heaps insult upon injury. As bad as your lot may be, it would be much worse if you were black or female. To refuse to acknowledge that because "80% of the country is richer than you" makes no logical sense.

[gollygee]

72. It is taking out that one kind of privilege and focusing on it - not just for poor people

Wealthy white people have privilege over wealthy people of color as well.

If you are poor and African American or Latino, you stand a much greater chance of ending up in prison than if you are poor and white.

There is also wealth privilege, and wealth privilege is huge, but the fact that wealth privilege exists does not mean that white privilege does not exist.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. For white people and ...

White people only. For the rest of the population, class and race are equally affecting.

[BainsBane]

36. He's been told that a hundred times

He has decided not to care.

[ismnotwasm]

30. Possibly

I was on welfare, food stamps,hit every food bank I could, lived in housing projects raised kids without fathers for a while and I could still see my own damn white privilege.

[nomorenomore08]

58. As if the white working-class American male were the most oppressed human being on Earth...

[Tuesday Afternoon]

19. It's a Libertarian infiltration. And that's the kind interpretation.

I like that in you. How kind you are.

[ismnotwasm]

33. But sometimes

[JustAnotherGen]

5. Just a kick and a rec

[Jackpine Radical]

8. There are none so blind

as those who profit by not seeing.

[IronLionZion]

9. K+R

From a non-white male supporting the wider goal of equal opportunity and equal protection for everyone.

[malthaussen]

10. I combine 'em both and talk about white-boy privilege.

Figure I can get away with it, since I'm a white boy.

-- Mal

[Kali]

25. did you sign up just to get banned?

or are you really that stupid?

[etherealtruth]

46. Oh, oh ....I know

The answer is: REALLY THAT STUPID!

[BainsBane]

37. It's a perfect term

but I can't get away with saying it.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

18. don't be surprised -if- their favorite group is GC&RKBA, too.

[KitSileya]

20. "White Privilege: Now What & Other Such Fallacies"

I found this wonderful post on Tumblr that really hits the nail on the head, by http://racismschool.tumblr.com/ - unfortunately, they have received the standard treatment on the internet, such as death threats and having their address posted, so they are not as active on Tumblr right now.

http://racismschool.tumblr.com/post/17004629556/white-privilege-now-what-other-such-fallacies

Examples of what white privilege deniers THINK it means to be told to “Check Your Privilege.”

Apologize for being white
Believe white is bad or wrong
Be ashamed of being white
Feel guilty for being white
Examples of what people ACTUALLY mean when they say “Check Your Privilege.”

You are inserting yourself into a conversation where you shouldn’t be. Acknowledge what you are doing, apologize and stop it.
You are making my pain about you. Acknowledge what you are doing, apologize and stop it.
You are belittling my pain. Acknowledge what you are doing, apologize and stop it.
You are making my fears concerns and troubles less important than your annoyance about me talking about my experience. Acknowledge what you are doing, apologize and stop it.
Now What?

If you believe that PoC want you to apologize for having white privilege, you are wrong. To be honest, I don’t get why you would think that in the first place. Let’s pretend for a second that I DO want you to apologize for having white privilege. Then, let’s pretend that you actually do apologize to me. How does that help me in ANY way? You see, some of you believe that we want to take away what you have or we want you to be ashamed of what you have. This is not the case. We want to be treated like human beings and we want you to understand that you don’t get to assert yourself or your feelings ABOUT OUR FEELINGS onto us or into our conversations.

Your guilt over white privilege also does me no good. You feel guilty? Okay and…? What does that do for either of us? If anything, your guilt tends to bring out MORE racism, not less. We don’t want to be treated BETTER, we want to be treated EQUALLY. Don’t pretend you like Black Joe when Black Joe is an asshole. That does not prove to me that you aren’t racist, it proves that you ARE racist because you are ONLY “Friends” with him BECAUSE he’s black.

Again…how does that help me in any way?

So you want to know what you should do about your White Privilege? See the second set of examples and follow them to the letter. Know that even if society tells you otherwise, you are not better, more important or more valid than anyone else. Know that your opinion should not be something you hold higher. Especially in situations you have not personally lived through. Generally, stop making things about you. That’s really the basics. No one believes that things are going to change so drastically that white privilege will disappear. We are all realistic people. It isn’t about taking something away from you. It is about you not trying to add you to our lives. It’s not about you. If you can only remember one thing, let that be it. It is not about you.

(The work is licensed under the Creative Commons.)

[ismnotwasm]

34. Nice!

Thank you

[redqueen]

44. Thanks for posting this.

K&R

[wavesofeuphoria]

67. Thanks for posting this.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

23. They also are the ones that deny that they're the ones that farted....

With that handle, you'd know that.

[boston bean]

39. Well, why... thank you, I guess....

[Squinch]

27. I truly think that many are simply trolls. Really.

Even some who have been here a long time. I don't believe they vote for Democrats, and I believe their goal is to derail any thread that discusses progressive principles of equality.

Others have been taken in by the trolls thinking, "Here's someone on DU who is saying the things I have thought but didn't want to say out loud! I guess my opinion wasn't racist/sexist after all! I'm going to state those questionable opinions openly from now on!"

And the snowball grows.

[theHandpuppet]

38. Not surprising in the least, unfortunately

It's like misogyny and homophobia going hand-in-hand. I guess what's so disappointing is to read such BS on a supposedly progressive site.

[BainsBane]

45. That shit comparing bell hooks to Bill O'Reilly really pissed me off

like people around here sit around talking shit about Beyoncé. I haven't even seen any of that here, and to use hooks to go after straw feminists is pretty fucking low.

[MadrasT]

49. Desperation. n/t

[etherealtruth]

47. Sadly, I think this is something well recognized

There are folk here so heavily invested in denying that racism, sexism, homophobia have any deleterious effect on anyone's lives. They clearly believe they are the arbiter's of what is and isn't racism/sexism/homophobia.

They are capable of grudgingly admitting that it is racism/ sexism/ homophobia ... when something particularly horrific happens and it is accompanied by racial epithets/ sexist or homophobic slurs .... but then we are treated to the explanation that it is a lone psycho carrying out these horrific acts and not necessarily reflective of society. Absent the epithets we are asked to believe that it was simply random violence (bad stuff happens to white guys too).

Some folk are so heavily invested that whatever success they have in life is SOLELY attributable to their great skill/ determination/ intelligence ... they were simply the best and never overtly or covertly given preference over a black person ... a woman ... a member of the LGBT community. If they did benefit from this it would shake their belief in their utter superiority.

Conversely we have the ne'er do well crowd ... in their minds despite their great superiority ... black folk/ immigrants/ women were given preferential treatment and held them back.

I do take some comfort in knowing that the people spewing this BS are (generally) the same ones over and over ... though very vocal, they are a minority here.

[ismnotwasm]

50. I think that's very true

We see the same names and the same arguments--over and over. I'd like to think they are a minority as well

[JI7]

51. i also notice many are the same ones who complain about political correctness

when people criticise certain terms being used which can be offensive to certain groups.

but they don't like the term "white privilege" being used.

[Louisiana1976]

53. Excellent thread. K&R

[BainsBane]

55. I made a try at explaining it simply

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024941179

I don't know if it will do any good.

[LanternWaste]

66. I'm placing their denials in the same category as the people who get offended when Cosmos comes on a

At this point, I'm placing their denials in the same category as the people who get offended when Cosmos comes on and doesn't allow creationism equal time...

[ismnotwasm]

69. Damn!

Excellent analogy

[redqueen]

70. Perfect. nt

[MadrasT]

71. That summarizes why I have stayed out of those threads.

Too ridiculous to waste my time on.

[theHandpuppet]

73. Same here

I've read through several of these threads now and can't believe yet another one has cropped up. Jeezil H. Pete, folks who are either so clueless or so deep in denial as to deny white privilege aren't folks who can't be debated. Logic and reason have nowhere to go with those posters.

[randys1]

76. I do admit I am amazed at how many alleged liberals or democrats

are denying basic stuff like male or white privilege...

Arguing about the word racism and the correct definition that power is part of the act and how it differs from bigotry...

I have a friend who told me the Democratic Party is full of white folks who still havent accepted what I take for granted...