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(Trigger Warning: This post is going to talk about rape culture and violence against women, and will probably involve a few expletives because I'm pretty fucking angry. I want to note, too, that I am talking as a privileged (and ignorant) cis, straight, white, male. It is also important to note that, yes, men are often rape victims, too, but this post is explicitly talking about sexualised depictions of violence against women.)
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I wasn't going to comment on the Hitman: Absolution trailer. Well, I was, but then I wasn't. For one, Mark Serrels at Kotaku Australia has already noted everything that is vile and disgusting and pathetic about it (to which Michelle Starr added some more excellent thoughts, as did Sarah Ditum which the above quote is from, as will many others before I post this in the morning, I'm sure). Then I got furious about it on Twitter, and Leigh Alexander rightfully noted that, even more than the videogame medium's typically poor treatment of women, this trailer is so contrived, so vile, so pathetic, that it should not even be worth commenting on. It's like (and this is my analogy, not Leigh's) getting angry at Westboro Baptist Church for being homophobic. Sure, they are. But they are so pathetic they deserve little more than pity. The same goes for Square Enix (and IO Interactive if the trailer accurately represents any part of the game) with this trailer: it is so pathetic, so vile, to not even be worthy of criticism. I pity the developers who have to put this filth on their CV. Leigh rightfully notes it is being 'controversial' and '(im)mature' purely to make us angry and get publicity.
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This really upset me. Not just infuriated me, but upset me. I lost sleep over this last night. I'm embarrassed and ashamed and disgusted to have any part in a videogame culture that produces work like this. Although there are a number of intelligent people coming out against it and games that don't buy into the rape culture do indeed exist, it is almost moot to the fact that our culture has gotten to a point where this trailer exists. That upsets me because we all let it get to this. If the mainstream media were to pick this up as a reason games are terrible or should be regulated or any other reason, I won't be coming forward to disagree with them.
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There is a line of thinking, an unconscious line of thinking, that is embedded in the way our society teaches men and women alike to think that it is a woman's fault for getting raped. That if they didn't want to get raped, they shouldn't have dressed how they did; they shouldn't have gone out at night; they shouldn't have done whatever it was that a man could have freely done without anyone batting an eyelid. You hear about it all the time in Those Crazy Other Countries where a woman gets stoned to death for being raped or a child is forced to marry her rapist. Make no mistake that the same mentality is alive and thriving in the mainstream of Western societies, too.
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It was so hard to pick just four paragraphs.
Anyone curious about the aspect of this as it's expressed by the gamers as opposed to coming from the games themselves might check out a blog called Fat Ugly or Slutty.
Drale
(7,932 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)and a bunch of sexy nuns stripping off their habits and then the ultraviolence starts, then yes.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Drale
(7,932 posts)I think this is someone who is thinking way to far into this. This is way to freudian for my liking. Everything is not sexual and thinking so probably means you need to get your mind out of the gutter. Yes it's violent, yes they are dressed in "sexy" outfits but in the end its a game and whether you like it or not video games are art.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)The idea that hypersexualized women are somehow not sexual seems ludicrous.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)was from our time. i am saying, no. there werent any in our time. ya ya they say, an arcade. as they do something, blood is everywhere. right there, i know it is not our time arcade. but watching some more. as they argue with me. i am about ready to turn around and leave the room to google the game and prove to them i am right and they are wrong. about that time i get a flash on the screen. a woman. and of course enough of her body to get the huge ass boobs and almost non existing top that is cut to the nipples.
i tell the boys... betcha. betcha 20, that game is not old.
they are just sure they have me. but, they also know i ONLY bet if i know i will win. so they dont bet. 2007.
i told them, two things were the give away.
the blood
the tits
laconicsax
(14,860 posts)The problem isn't explicitly the violence either (though that's another couple problems in itself).
The reason why the nuns strip down is to make them appear more disposable. It plays on the common narrative that a "modestly dressed" woman is more valuable as a person than a "slut." We, as a society, are conditioned to place a higher value on the lives of "modestly dressed" women than on "sluts" or prostitutes. No one is meant to sympathize with a prostitute.
Having the nuns strip down allows for them to be killed without making the viewer uncomfortable.
The violence, aside from again inoculating us from reacting violence, is a cheap way to make what is really a puzzle game look more exciting than it actually is. I haven't played the game in the advert, but I played the first and a bit of the second in the series and would have welcomed a fast-paced, gory interruption from the tedium of the actual game. Unless this game is a big departure from the rest of the series, the advert is wholly unrelated to the mechanics of actual game.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)this is a slight shift in the angle of explanation i have not considered. these women must protray a woman/girl that is not a part of our lives to be used. i hadnt looked at it exactly in that manner.
i looked at always having the prostitute or stripper in these guys things froma different angle. psychologically, this angle makes more sense, allowing a man to dehumanize, unlike with the good girl.
thanks
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)t's all very well animated and the fight sequences are technically pretty impressive. But the fact that it is a chap who is murdering these naughty, naughty nuns (with details that border on the pornographic lingering arse and crotch shots, sprays of blood over cleavage you get the idea) makes the viewing a little uncomfortable. Especially in company. Would Agent 47 have looked as powerful fighting gun-toting nuns that hadn't removed their habits and had worn sensible pumps instead of platform heels? No, he'd look ridiculous. Somehow, the fact that the killer nuns dress like streetwalkers makes them fair game for killing.
Some people (myself included) don't like the end result. Others do, but they tend to be the sort of people that can't use advanced concepts such as capital letters. Either way, we can pretty much all agree that the imagery of a hero killing fetishised women is a questionable thing. But here's the kicker: the trailer actually has very little to do with the content of the game. It's a lie. Not just in terms of graphics I think we're all agreed that using CGI to create a prettier impression of your game is no more of a fib than the airbrush artwork that graced early 90s box art. But the gameplay is markedly different from what is presented to the viewers. Having experienced a hands-on session with Hitman: Absolution at a pre-E3 event around a month ago, I'm pleased to say that it's retained all the slow, stealthy, hiding-in-a-cupboard-until-you-kill-someone gameplay of the previous titles.
Previous Hitman games are basically a puzzle, to which the solution is invariably death. They're ingenious, inventive and rewarding games, which actively encourage you to kill as few people as possible aside from your target, obviously. Absolution is the same. In an early mission, Agent 47 is tasked with killing a nasty man who hangs out in a pagoda in a busy square. Want to shoot building supplies so they land on his head? Sure! Want to dress up as his drug-dealer friend to infiltrate past his bodyguards? You got it! Want to knock out the chef at his favourite food stall, steal the chef's clothes and then render his lunch deadly with the blowfish poison? That is legitimately a thing you can do.
Conversely, if you want to rock up to the bodyguards and take out all of them in a row (like in that trailer above) suffering no harm yourself, then you can't do that. There's a bunch of them, and they tend to shoot you even if you take advantage of Agent 47's limited Red Dead Redemption-style ability to line up shots in slow motion. And if they don't, Swat teams show up pretty soon after and finish the job. As a result, the trailer is barely representative of what remains a stealth game at heart.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jun/01/hitman-absolution-trailer-nuns
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)going down cnn just now, i was on the same thought pattern as you with my OP. and this is what people are saying should not be called out as the line is just pushed further and further. i did a google on the hitman, and read a piece on what was in the trailer.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)lots of people talking about this. Lots of links from this guy's blog, too.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)Fat, Ugly, or Slutty is really worth checking out.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)and women are their prey. No one has ever taken on that very basic part of male culture and that's where the problems all arise. Rape is only one of many symptoms.
Women are attacked when they usurp the predatory role in business, sport, gaming, politics or whatever. Women are only acceptable when they're passive and decorative.
Even the violent women in geek fiction are dressed as S&M dommes but posed rather than shown acting.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)today.
how bad does it have to get before even the men are "uncomfortable" or bothered by it.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)and by some of the 'so what' responses, too.
But yeah, as a group, it's not there is it...
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)And that article links to so many other good articles.
Melissa McEwan's article on Rape Culture is especially great (Rape Culture 101)
I just went to Fat Ugly or Slutty... and I am... speechless.
I wish I had more time but I have bookmarked this for future reference so I can follow the link trails further.
Somehow life was a lot less depressing when I thought I was already sufficiently empowered (so the hell with everyone else) and I was just too cool to be a feminist.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)All this time I thought things were getting progressively better. Alas.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i think that is the key. when we actually go beyond self, .... there is so much to see.
WingDinger
(3,690 posts)Gay/faggot- sissy/mary- nig&er. Nonstop. Almost as prevalent as the charge of hacker. So, that is the teen boy crowd that developers are playing to.
Those are the same kind that are Ron Paul supporters too. In fact, our politics is starting to reflect this demographic, at least on the right.
I believe ALL OF THIS is to bring an end to empathy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i agree with you here.
but, from what i hear, it is more the 20 something, than teenager
my hubby is a real gamer. his game of choice right now, gears. skyrim when he is playing by himself.
but, he ahs a group of buddies that play and are all pretty cool. it is the one mouth in the crowd, a 20 something. they pretty much try and ignore him. a lot of men would rather not have this in their game. they just want a good game. it doesnt require the trash. a couple companies get it.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Why so many 'realistic' female characters, major and minor, are still rendered with such cartoonish, out-of-proportion lady bits....
It's like no game designer wants to be known as the first to create a woman with a 'c' cup...
redqueen
(115,103 posts)hopefully this will start to change sooner rather than later.
Sorry about kicking this old thread, I dug it up to find the link to critdamage so I could get some of the links to other commentary on this issue, saw I'd missed this response and replied without thinking.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)because the women employees have been speaking up in meetings and development but have not accomplished a whole lot. they have and men have been speaking out.... to the populace as a whole bring awareness, like anita, and now men that are defending her. it is all good.
more and good energy when you are around. do NOT forget that, woman