History of Feminism
Related: About this forumWhy don't people who're so horribly put off by discussions of porn (such as they are) just ignore it
I got an email from sea but hadn't heard back from her after replying. And so today I saw bb's post about violent porn and a bunch of bullshit waste-of-bandwidth replies about how bored the poster was and how they were hiding the thread.
Is anyone else reminded of the theatrics of toddlers throwing fits? FFS... seriously with this shit? I mean I know violence against women is such a tedious subject, and having to be reminded of the fact that the eroticization of that kind of violence is ... y'know... problematic... well it's all just so... just not worth people's time or attention for very long at all.
Anyway... I'm so, so very sorry if I'm inconveniencing anyone with my late two cents (not really), but here they are anyway.
I recently read this little diatribe about how this guy feels sooooo conflicted about his daily porn habit, given that he sees how women are depicted in it (and he actually has the integrity to admit that such treatment isn't rare - unlike so many other people)... yet while he's going on and on about how terrible it is, he admits he still uses it. He talks about how he filters it out. (For anyone interested here's a link http://notesmagazine.org/post/58238156274/pornography-and-the-male-psyche)
I guess that's enough for some people. For me, it's really hard not to look down on those who are conscious of the misogynist nature of porn but rationalize that it's still somehow ok to consume it.
And as for those who refuse to acknowledge these problems? Whether it is because they want to continue using it with an unbothered conscience, or because they are too pure to sully their beautiful minds with the reality that women are living... them, I absolutely do look down on. (I won't be so childish as to refer to them as "enemies" though... honest to GODDESS do some people not hear themselves)
Also, just because... https://againstpornography.org/pornographersspeech.html
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)It mostly ends up being for the benefit of a third party reading the back and forth later. It's not going to change the minds of the people arguing.
Also, nice to see you back, redqueen!
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I gotta disagree with you though.. thankfully there are lots of people who do learn and their views and behaviors do evolve over time.
Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)Been missing you.
I miss you and the rest of the HoF crew too.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Yet somehow can't simply ignore a thread. It's interesting. Their need to justify themselves appears to be so great they have to combat the thought crime of criticizing their beloved porn. They even got upset at my post about appreciating men who like sex with real women better than porn. Someone called it "insulting to humans." Naturally, humanity is defined by a preference for porn over real sex.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)That might've been before your time, but oh, how some did howl! Like a whipped dog ... Oh, the outrage that we should dare imply rape culture was actually a thing!
Now those few who still cling to their backwards beliefs (that it's all a big misunderstanding and there's really no such thing as rape culture ... just some confused guys and a very few scary monster types) now, they're too smart or cowardly to own up and say so.
So it will go with all these issues. The noisy, obnoxious few will be dragged kicking and screaming into a more progressive future.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I said rape porn contributes to rape culture. At the very mention of "rape culture" they became incensed.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)At first there were dozens chiming in to silence any mention or discussion of rape culture. Now there's enough to count on one hand (and how many of those are socks?)
I wonder how a poll asking about whether there is such a thing as rape culture would fare.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)probably a couple of dozen.
riqster
(13,986 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)If they are hostile - then don't read it. There are certain groups I have trashed because I actually find them boring and don't want their posts in my feed. After Trayvon Martin - I have about 16 people on ignore.
It's not childish - it's a dismissal.
I felt no need to call these people, groups, or perspectives out.
The fact that they need to do this to you and others - well - all it does is show their asses. Their asses are showing and they are the asses of petulant little toddlers.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)and been accused of needing help for doing so.
It's really quite comical.
The one part not comical is the guy telling me that I must have been abused and that I need help, and no discussion on DU.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)It means you've been abused?
You criticized the precious. Never criticize the precious. Never insinuate, God forbid, it might not be as good as having actual sex either.
xulamaude
(847 posts)help you sue for libel!
You saw that huh?
Gotta give 'em an A for effort... even thought it is such a cringeworthy display of embarrassingly overwrought nonsense. (Not to mention a blatantly obvious way to show off how little one knows of what they speak :rofl
If only it was an act... alas.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)What you're talking about? I didn't see it.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)They see their privilege circling the drain, and so desperation sets in.
No matter how absurd or nonsensical or embarrassing the derailments, you can safely assume they will continue.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)to right wingers who want to outlaw abortion.... sigh...
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I've been called that several times. I also had a juror refer to me as a "misandrist troll" trying to impose "Nazi (or was it fascist?) authoritarianism." I have a pet peeve about people who use political definitions inaccurately. Another called me a "Maoist" right-winger. I was not able to get a cogent response as to how I could be both Maoist and right-wing.
Then when I posted Chomsky on Porn, all hell broke lose. I didn't even read most of those responses. Just knowing they were squirming in an effort to justify themselves was pleasure enough.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)can the subject of Porn become boring.
kind of like guns on DU ...
so funny, I just posted in that thread and said this very thing.
I understand where you are coming from and will gladly discuss the issue with you outside of DU.
But, as far as discussing ON du ...
stick a fork in me cos I am done with it.
Good to see you.
are you on FB?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)A handful of the Defenders of Righteous Porn seem to get rather irrational in their screeching and cackling. A bit hysterical and overly-emotional even. One can only hope they stop acting so distraught and shrill. Maybe settle down a bit and find a good spouse who will set them straight in their appropriate roles...
(Yes... it's a serious topic of which I've thrown up my hands when I realized the Usual Suspects actually believe their dogma, but now I can only see them absurd, Kafkaesque caricatures on which satirical ridicule is the only effective medicine...)
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Far more so than on other subjects. It obviously strikes a personal cord with them.
JI7
(89,252 posts)and them passing a law to ban something.
the UK and other places in europe also already have laws which limit certain bigoted speech like denying the holocaust. people may disagree with this but you don't see the anger and outrage over these laws which have been in place for years.
yet on this rape porn thing they are so outraged ?
also people are upset at some would even just criticise certian porn because people view it as sexist, violent etc. so it's not even just about being against banning something. but even criticism of it is a problem for them.
That disingenuous thread about the first amendment was in response to BB's thread about violent porn, in which he explicitly said she didn't advocate banning. It's just a way to hurl insults and try to shut down debate rather than engaging with the issues actually raised.
xulamaude
(847 posts)They like to talk 'Orwellian dystopia' but have no idea what it even means... from a woman's perspective anyway.
There is a tendency to pontificate on subjects completely alien to them (mansplaining, it used to be called) or perhaps crack wise - at the expense of real life women and girls - in order to get their lolz.
It's not very flattering. (aka: "makes DU suck"
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)This is weird, but since learning how porn has changed, how violent, oppressive & gross it's gotten, it makes me uncomfortable when talking to men. There's this little nagging thought in the back of my brain, "Is this some jerk who watches porn & while he's talking to me, he's really thinking how he wants to cum on my face or drill my ass?" Is that what guys want girls wondering about them? How disrespectful they might be thinking of us?
I'm glad I'm an old married lady. I wouldn't want to be single in this day & age.
Nay
(12,051 posts)and the shit that I see as far as what is available as 'normal' porn is so horrifying and disgusting that I'd be turned off forever if I were younger. That nagging thought you have? I'd be thinking that very thing and be so turned off I'd just go get a couple of cats and a dog and be done with the whole men thing.
moxybug
(35 posts)I figured I'd drop in to say not all men are disgusting porn addicts that get off on the debasement of women. Probably 50 or 60% of us are but certainly not all of us are the enemy.
I, for example, completely agree that making a movie where three guys force their penis down a womens throat, regardless of consent, serves to reinforce the concept that women are objects bred only to submit to men. Its rank and disgusting conservative thinking.
Also I'm a part of the privileged class. Born a white male. And maybe the only thing that will cause the usual suspects to squeal louder than the mention of rape culture is to suggest the existence of privilege.
I'm also a firm believer that shaming is the best way to bring about the end of violent porn.
So keep up the good work.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Thanks for sharing your perspective.