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Related: About this forumTo avoid sexism, follow AP style ~ Yvonne Brill NYT Sexist Obit
If the New York Times journalists behind the much-criticized obituarythat originally led with pioneering scientist Yvonne Brills fab beef stroganoff and mom skillshad only turned to the AP Stylebooks longstanding rules for covering women, they would not have found themselves so deep in the stew.
The Times uses its own stylebook, which has an entry on how to minimize gender-specific labels, but the widely-used AP one goes beyond that. I looked under sexism, which lacks its own entry but refers you to man, mankind and women. Thumbing a few pages back, the recommendations under women were just as I remembereda road map of how not to write that New York Times Brill lede.
The obits original opener, which was later reworked, read:
The Times uses its own stylebook, which has an entry on how to minimize gender-specific labels, but the widely-used AP one goes beyond that. I looked under sexism, which lacks its own entry but refers you to man, mankind and women. Thumbing a few pages back, the recommendations under women were just as I remembereda road map of how not to write that New York Times Brill lede.
The obits original opener, which was later reworked, read:
She made a mean beef stroganoff, followed her husband from job to job and took eight years off from work to raise three children. The worlds best mom, her son Matthew said.
But Yvonne Brill, who died on Wednesday at 88 in Princeton, N.J., was also a brilliant rocket scientist
Read the entire article here... quite interesting... The NYT defended it...
http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/brill_obit_and_ap_style.php
Here is a link to the original publishing of the obit and includes later edits...
http://www.newsdiffs.org/diff/192021/192137/www.nytimes.com/2013/03/31/science/space/yvonne-brill-rocket-scientist-dies-at-88.html
Rest in Peace Yvonne! You were a pioneer!
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To avoid sexism, follow AP style ~ Yvonne Brill NYT Sexist Obit (Original Post)
boston bean
Apr 2013
OP
The stroganoff and her role as a mother was her most important contribution to society....
boston bean
Apr 2013
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ismnotwasm
(41,977 posts)1. That is interesting
Beef stroganoff and Rocket Science. Damn.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)2. The stroganoff and her role as a mother was her most important contribution to society....
right???
I mean I can see why her son feels that way... But when writing an obit for a woman who smashed traditional roles and was smart as a whip... You might want to recognize that it was that contribution to society that should be remembered and placed foremost in her obit.
It's in the NYT for gawdsakes. Not everyone gets a write up like that in the Times...
ismnotwasm
(41,977 posts)3. It also says she preferred 'mrs'
I wonder why?
You'd never see an Obit for Richard Feynman saying 'and he made a mean beef stew' of course he probably didn't. He was a bit of rounder, that one. But if he did, it would be worded 'he enjoyed gourmet cooking'
Those days were different times I guess.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)4. A good read I posted yesterday quoted a great parody of that obit.
He made sure he shopped for groceries every night on the way home from work, took the garbage out, and hand washed the antimacassars. But to his step daughters he was just Dad. He was always there for us, said his step daughter and first cousin once removed Margo.
Albert Einstein, who died on Tuesday, had another life at work, where he sometimes slipped away to peck at projects like showing that atoms really exist. His discovery of something called the photoelectric effect won him a coveted Nobel Prize.
The author goes on to state "but the problem here is really that if Yvonne were Yvan, the obit would have looked fundamentally different. If were talking up the importance of work-life balance and familial roles for women but were not also mentioning those things about men, thats a problem. If a womans accomplishments must be accompanied by a reassurance that she really was a good Mom, but a mans accomplishments are allowed to stand on their own, thats a problem. And lest you think that I only care about women, lets not act like this doesnt have a real and dangerous impact on men, too. If a man spends years of his life as a doting father and caring husband, yet his strong devotion to his family is not considered an important fact for his obituary because hes male then yes, thats also a big problem."
Apparently the obituaries editor still doesn't see the problem with the original obituary. It's really bang your head against a wall territory.