"Women are given credibility and access to speech to the extent that they say what men want them to

[redqueen]

say. Stray from the script and you will be attacked, misquoted, or simply go unheard. As power brokers in a large industry profiting from sexism, publishers disguise this censorship as selfless concern for the First Amendment and freedom of speech."

- Twiss Butler, from her chapter "Why The First Amendment Is Being Used to Protect Violence Against Women," in The Price We Pay, The Case Against Racist Speech, Hate Propaganda, and Pornography, Laura Lederer and Richard Delgado, eds. (NY: Hill & Wang, 1995) (p. 163)



Just a little something I read recently which seems to be demonstrated so very well lately.

[MotherPetrie]

1. K&R

[seabeyond]

2. i do not want to ban porn. YOU want to BAN PORN. ya. i see thread after thread after thread of it

there are more than a handful of posters i no longer try to have a conversation with because they never reply to what i am actually posting. or they have changed the words i use. consistently. always. cannot be honest enough to take it at the words i type. it isnt cute

thanks

[JI7]

3. and whatever is said should also be said in a certain "tone"

don't be too loud, angry etc.

[seabeyond]

4. sheeeit, this is the shut up one cause a woman is talking perfectly reasonable, accused of OUTRAGE

by gosh. no matter what is posted. no matter that it is only addressing the issue. no matter how sweet.

see see see.... you are OUTRAGED i tell you.

mental health. you have mental health issues.

ya. i am angry this moment, with all the lyin' bullshit flyin' everywhere.

[redqueen]

11. Yeah, if only we'd stop demonstrating so meanly for abortion rights,

we'd have abortion clinics everywhere by now!

Silly feminists!

[MadrasT]

5. Loved today's (now locked) attack in GD

Praising the wonderfulness and reasonableness of two feminist groups on DU... and talking smack about the 3rd one.

Women who talk back are targets.

[seabeyond]

6. ya? didnt read the garbage, jsut saw it was meta. 'nough for me. nt

[redqueen]

8. Yeah, from someone who posted shit from the men's rights subreddit on DU.

The comments on the thread he posted are fucking brimming with anti-woman bigotry. Hundreds of posts worth of the shit.

[ismnotwasm]

14. Seriously? They went there?

I just got back from visiting one of my daughters. I've been missing the good stuff lately.

I doubt I would have participated, that's too manipulative for me. I try to stay away from the "lets fuck with the feminists" OPs.

[BainsBane]

7. Here's an example. Someone just told me

This: "I would suggest that you take a page from Redqueen. I don't always agree with her, but I never DISAGREE with her until I have given a topic a whole lot of thought. She always gives me something to think about. That could and should be you."

His response proceeding that had been this: "We've already played this game Bane, I am not wasting time chasing goalposts again." After I had asked him for examples of this: "The woman was attacked here on DU, but apparently she's totally safe in a Muslim country...

Or apparently that's what some would have us believe. "

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be so erudite about given what I was dealing with in that discussion.

[redqueen]

9. I don't see how that makes any sense at all.

People seem to be tying themselves in knots to avoid addressing the actual reason people were offended at the idea that women should have to "get their tits out" to make a point.

Yeah, cause that's soooooo fucking hard to figure out.

[seabeyond]

10. lol... nt

[smirkymonkey]

12. +10.000

Thank you!

[ismnotwasm]

13. But we have such 'shrill' voices!

And we be all hormonal and shit. You know, 'mental'

[seabeyond]

15. the tone, its the tone. really vinegar and suga, or honey? and all that. lol. nt