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When my recent date showed up at my door, minimalist bouquet in hand, I imagine I looked like Id seen a ghost of courtship past. He took me out to a restaurant with actual reservations, not to a taqueria or dive bar. He planned it nearly a week, not minutes, in advance. He picked me up in a cab rather than having me meet him there and, on his way over, he called instead of texting to give me a heads up.
Sure, we could be found post-midnight pressed up against a storefront on a street populated by intoxicated 20-somethings, the minty taste of Fernet fresh on our lips but we didnt have sex that night. We got back to my house and managed to unintentionally push all the decorative pillows off my living room couch, wedge my shoe under a cushion and knock over the fresh vase of flowers, before he announced, As hard as this is going to be, I think the perfect end to this date would be for me to call a cab.
What a revelation.
Even my serious relationships have started as seeming one-night stands. A couple of drinks as friends, some kissing and then a bed. This is what so many women of my generation do: We claim the same freedom to pursue our desires as men. We embrace the fun of exploration, the thrill of abandon. Sex doesnt threaten to brand or disgrace us at least not in any way that we recognize or respect. We arent defined by our number we might not even keep track of it. Hallelujah for that. As I wrote four years ago in my essay In defense of casual sex, hookups can be a legitimate way of getting to know other people, as well as ourselves. And even when they arent, who cares: Women are just as entitled to meaningless flings as men. But, yes, as Ive gotten older, casual sex has lost some of the luster of freedom. It isnt that Ive forsaken the delights of no-strings flings, but rather that Ive tired of hookup cultures dictatorial reign over modern courtship. It doesnt feel so free when it doesnt feel like an intentional choice.
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Im conflicted about all this. I dont believe that ones sexuality can be broken like fine china, but I do think its special. I dont believe that you should have to withhold sex in order to get what you want from a partner, but sometimes you really do get what you want when you wait, sometimes for entirely unexpected reasons. I dont think sex on the first date dooms a relationship, and yet theres a specialness in waiting until youre comfortable enough with someone to get naked together while totally sober. I would never advocate a return to traditional gender roles, but courtship, actual effort, is refreshing no matter the sex of the courter.
http://www.salon.com/2012/10/07/flowers_for_me/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)So taquerias and dive bars aren't good first dates?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,868 posts)All I could think about was al pastor tacos and horchata. I'm sure I missed the bigger picture, I usually do.
Tumbulu
(6,278 posts)interesting reads.
I have for a long while been feeling that the whole "casual sex" thing has become an obligation to have sex rather than a choice. It somehow sent this way.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that is an interesting perspective. i certainly played in my 20's. and i never felt an obligation, lol, but that was a while ago.
i think what this woman is experiencing, is growing up.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)It can also be dreadful or even dangerous. I went through a phase and it didn't last long. For me it got old pretty fast. Mostly I'd say it was a waste of time. The amount of good sexual experiences I had were outnumbered by the boring to awful experiences. I think women are often shortchanged as we are less frequently orgasmic. There is a widespread misunderstanding that with some extended violent thrusting any woman will be satisfied. (Who knows where that idea got started! ) So, more often than not you get... er... shortchanged, so to speak.
With a longer courtship period before getting sweaty, you can get more of an idea of what kind of lover he might be. With casual sex you're just rolling the dice, and the odds are not in women's favor.
ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)Wake up in the morning
See your sunrise loves to go down
Lousy lovers pick their prey
But they never cry out loud
ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)I don't have that issue now of course, but what i remember about too casual sex is that it's often either overzealous and incredibly awkward, or simply unskilled. Or drunk. I despise drunk or drugged up sex as well. Also no longer an issue for me. I mean, you don't really know your partner well enough and they don't know you to find what you need or desire sexually, what you find erotic, what mutual experiences you may desire. I need a partner I feel safe enough with to explore our sexuality to (great) mutual satisfaction.
I suppose one could have a friends with benefits type of situation and learn what you need to know, but it seems to me that far to often someone ends up getting hurt.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and i gotta say, sex with a drunk (not so much about being drunk) can be tedious.
ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)That's one word for it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)raccoon
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that every time anybody has sex, it's great for both parties.
It ain't necessarily so.
Macoy51
(239 posts)You meant to tell me two people who have never been together before do not know exactly how to please each other? I suppose next you are going to try and tell me that a few minutes of thrusting doesnt always result in mutual (and simultaneous) orgasms.
/Movies never lie
/must be the fuzzy lens they use
/and the silly music