History of Feminism
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The first time it happened to me, I was nine and an older boy told me he could "do what he wanted" to me in an empty schoolyard. At 12, I was walking on a busy street the first time a man grabbed my arm so he could "take a good look at me." I was 15 the first time a group of guys followed me in their car, in a busy urban area, while they barked and hooted. I was 17 the first time a man flashed me while masturbating in a public place. I'm 45 and it's still going on. And, I'm not alone; 98% of all women report that they experience street harassment.
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1) Street harassment is a serious issue because it's the most visible symptom of a society that uses fear to control more than half of the population. Most women will experience some form of sex-based harassment on our streets. It has nothing to do with age, race, ethnicity, class, place or time. By looking at a series of academic and community studies and using her own research, Holly Kearl, the author of "Always On Guard: Women and Street Harassment" and founder of Stop Street Harassment, found that anywhere between 80 percent and 98 percent of women surveyed report persistent, aggressive street harassment.
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2) Public media harassment of women, particularly in the political arena, is the same sexual harassment; it's just a larger street. Tell me the difference between a man that calls me a "dumb b***h" for not smiling nicely to him on the street and one that refers to Hilary Clinton as emasculating while recapping her debate performance or Sarah Palin as a MILF after hers? Both are predicated on the idea that all women's bodies are available and accessible to men. Biased on-air treatment of female political candidates at all levels has an impact and it's contributing to our eroding status in the world and our economic competitiveness. Huh? Say again? Studies, like the World Economic Forum's Global Gender Gap Report for 2010, have demonstrated that a nation's economic growth and competitiveness (not to mention happiness) are directly correlated to the status of women of the women in that nation. We recently moved from 68th to 70th in the world for political representation of women. We have a crisis on our hands because the already abysmal and declining rate of female participation in leadership at all levels of government. By the time a woman candidate enters the public political fray, where she will without a doubt be harassed for being in possession of a cervix, she's been conditioned, as have we all, by a lifetime of bullying and indignities that undermine her ability to succeed. If you think the sexist media treatment is irrelevant, then watch Miss Representation.
3) Street harassment is NOT about sex. It's about power. It's subtle and pervasive social control. It says to girls and women, "you can never be sure you are safe out here and I can control where you go, when you walk, whether or not you smile, what you wear and how you feel." It's not flattering. It's not fun. We aren't "asking for it." The normative public intimidation of women is a debilitating blight on equality.
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In this country we tend to be proud of the fact that we don't cover "our" women in burkas. But, as bell hooks said -- whether it's obvious or subtle, oppression is oppression. Ubiquitously practiced sex-based public harassment is a form of oppression that we tolerate as women and cultivate as a society to our net detriment. This is a social injustice that undermines our most lofty claims about what America represents.
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a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)or you will get a cop.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)1.) you can have someone busted for harassment. That's pretty effective.
2.) Pray tell, WHO will you address the cause? What cause are you addressing?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)"here we go..." ? What is that supposed to mean?
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)1.) what's with your attitude?
2.) what is this cause that you want to address? How will you address it?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Your claim not to know what could possibly seem wrong with saying "here we go..." before asking those questions seems disingenuous.
Feel free to have a look around the net for various perspectives on the root causes of street harassment, as well as many ways to combat it.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I want to know what YOU think the cause of harrassment is...
you brought it up, you defend your position.
I also want to know what YOU think the solution is.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Good day.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)Wow... quickest PC fail ever.
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)PC?!
Jeez.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I keep asking...
What is the proposed solution?
Is my question that hard to answer?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)How's that for a start?
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)that sounds like a good starting framework. Let's add some connective tissue and some meat to the bones.
What kinds of role models do we want? What kinds of folkways do we want? What forms of transmission are we cool with?
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)No snarky reply to that one, excellent solution.
Scout
(8,624 posts)'nuf said.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)possible, one would have to be open minded and a willingness to listen. when starting with a closed mind and agenda, it is a waste of every ones time.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)good seeing you. took a bit of a break. look at this fun thread, with geek.
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)his opinion would be quite different. Especially since harassment if often the prelude to molestatin, abuse and rape. The least harassment triggers all those fears, particularly in women who have been raped before.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I keep asking... what is OP's solution? OP seems reluctant. Why is OP reluctant.
Also, We have laws in this country. If you are harassed, go get a cop.
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)I did post a thread if you're interested in it, which I doubt very much; nor do we have time to debate/ teach 'shit women go through every day to the point society thinks its normal' at least I don't, others might take you on since you're interested in stirring it up; you might get a little glory out of being disingenuous.
Did you actually read the article? And do you really think women never call the cops on that shit?
Rhetorical questions, FYI
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)so...
You're not willing to post your idea of a solution?
That's what I'm asking. WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION?
As to the other thread, I'd like to read it. Please post a link.
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)I tried to tell you, I'm not playing with you today.
http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I'm going through the link. Lots of if.
But is this thread simply a point of commiseration, or are you trying to work out a solution?
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)It's THEIR F***ing problem and they are making it ours. Stop placing the blame on women for men being a**holes.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)there was an openness with the poster. there is not. he is one of the few that is about creating a mess, not a solution. i put no time with the poster, anymore. he makes clear his position in every post.
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)A man masterbated at me from a car when I was a teen. I ran in terror, called the cops, described the man, car, and even part of the license plate. They never did shit.
Also it becomes a "he said-she said". The he always had more veritas in such a situation than the she.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I mean seriously... WTF?
Yet somehow, it is sickeningly common. *sigh*
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)Also dumbasses in convertibles naked from the waist down.
Missycim
(950 posts)if a woman does it to a man? As a Driver I have seen it many times. I felt embarrassed not harassed though.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)The last time I was harassed was ... two days ago. I was out riding my bike running errands. Some guy drove up behind me as I was pedaling through a parking lot. I got the "hey sweetheart, you want a ride?" with a leer. I gave him a wtf look because my immediate reaction was what moron offers a ride to someone on a bike? Clearly I have a ride.
He drove off.
Now what am I going to do when I call 911? Tell them some guy offered me a ride? Tell them no, I can't identify the car and have no idea what direction he rode in, can they please find him and arrest him?
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My daughter used to get similar shit walk home from junior high. Every single day she got it, adult men driving past making rude comments. JUNIOR high.
By the time she would have been able to dial 911, they'd be long gone.
If we don't, as a culture, address the causes - the attitudes that make this okay to a large chunk of the population, then there are no other options other than accept it as our lot in life, as females.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)I've met women who've been harassed who still somehow consider it 'flattering', so... one would hope, but there's no guarantee.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)not a harassment verbally, but, just the leer with the eye thing men so often use. and surprisingly i have found that the mens reactions then mimics how girls and women so often behave. it stops them in the tracks and puts them in the position of redirecting gaze, looking to the ground or away, uncomfortably.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)never will. quite comfortable in finding a way to feel superior cause ego doesnt get stroked as needed. the attitude from the get go, and will continue non stop.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Around here, in the city, the cops can't even be bothered to investigate car break-ins and vandalism.
They would roll their eyes and laugh at a request like that.
And out in the country where I live, we don't even have a dedicated police force.
"Get a cop" 
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)then what is your solution?
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Us mens can be more proactive and ...
1) Not participate in street harassment (I know ... I know ... most of us don't do/have never done, that; but ...)
2) Speak up when our male friend/associates participate in street harassment (I know ... I know ... most of us don't know/have never heard of our friends/associates doing it; but ...)
3) Teach our sons, by words and deeds, that street harassment is not cool (I know ... I know ... most of us do and those that don't, their sons just pick it up, somehow).
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)That's what I was asking.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that on "women's" issues, it is not my role, as a male, to tell women what to do ... I can only speak to what I, as a man, can do.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I merely ask what a person's solution/set of solutions is/are...
as I've seen far too many people willing to sit and complain, instead of actually DOING something.
MuseRider
(34,119 posts)There have been women working on solutions to everything we post about for decades and you ask this?
In every fight for equality, the right to NOT be abused on TV, in advertisements, movies and in real life it take members who are of the abusive party, but not participating and not agreeing with the behaviors of that group to step in in large numbers and have the courage to fight with/for those being abused. I do mean with, not to take it over and try to prod and pry and lead but to support.
To ask this question is to show your lack of knowledge of women's history. If it were me I would head myself right over and learn some things before being a jerk to those who are talking about something. If you feel you already know the issues why be such a jerk?
Not doing anything? How can you possibly say this?
EDIT to add that I should have read to the end of the thread, you made some amends so I apologize for calling you a jerk or at least saying you acted like one. Your style is abrasive but it seems you and redqueen worked it out later.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)and as i go down the thread i will continue to respond, as appropriate to thread development and be thrilled with enlightenment toward the end... that you state in your post.
this is a very good, right on post. as always. thanks.
MuseRider
(34,119 posts)When I respond before reading all the posts I always find I say something stupid but being in a bit of a hurry this morning I forgot about that. I see that what I said was stated much better downthread, I think again by redqueen so I should have stayed out of it until reading.
All these years, I never learn. 
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)someone else reading down the thread gets the info, exactly where you are and it fits perfectly.
besides. i have been in such a funk.... seeing, reading, listening to this crap on the board and in the world. i needed to walk the thread as i did. this time.... it is all about me me me. i get that sometimes. i haev had a couple weeks, where saying to different people
it isnt all about you
and you
and you
and you
lol.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I accept your apology.
MuseRider
(34,119 posts)but I am totally in the dark about the ...sigh...
So I am asking rather than assuming what you meant by that.
Being in this particular thread after your posts sounded so abrasive my initial reaction to that sigh is to feel like you are being very patronizing as if I was just too too dense to get what you are all about. Not reacting, just pointing out that if you want to be part of the solution you must learn how you sound and modify otherwise you will never be part of the solution just a guy who says he is not this way but acts this way, NOT part of any solution but just someone who likes to tool people around.
I am simply asking because I am curious what the intent of the sigh was, it may have been nothing but added to everything else it seems rather dismissive, like the pat on the head understanding that I am just a little lady and my concerns are not defined in any sensible way.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)The question I kept asking is: what is your solution. If you feel that's abrasive, it's on you.
My "...sigh..." meant that I felt this wasn't worth fighting over, so I'd just listen, say the socially appropriate things, and move on.
MuseRider
(34,119 posts)you know you do not belong posting in this thread.
My solution is the same solution that many have posted over and over and over and over until we can type it in our sleep. We are tired of educating people about it who will not go look at our solutions that can be found almost anywhere you look when you look at womens issues beginning from the first writings of women that were allowed to be published. This education thing has been going on for decades and it seems to me, and probably more of us than just me, that many men do not want to get it so what they do is play dumb or disrupt our discussions becoming very demanding that we re-state our entire history just for them.
For you, I am assuming you are male (yes I know assumptions can get a person in trouble) to come in here and post to some of our most elaborate posters that you demand an answer is extremely abusive and you follow it with sighs and a couple of Atta Girls and then come around again on the next post and start demanding again. Male or female you seem very interested in controlling the discussion and is disrupts the threads and we all have to deal with you. I tend not to put people on ignore but I think I may just not respond to you again until YOU try being a part of the solution rather than trying to take us back to go over ad nausem what we had figured out 40 years ago.
This is exactly where movements get swamped. You are a grown person, for you to not know the answers or to assume we have no answers is asinine and demeaning to all of us, including and perhaps mostly you.
Educate yourself and then become part of the solution. I promise you that if you stop entering our threads with demands and then *sigh* saying the socially appropriate things (another freaking pat on our heads) you will be welcome. We need men (if that is who you are) who will stand by us and help us get this done. Centuries have excluded most women from much of the decision making in families, social groups, government etc. and that is wrong. Abuse has been heaped on us because we have little power to stop it and the prevailing attitude is just what you show to us, a "well what are you going to do about it" attitude. You have no idea how you come across apparently or maybe you do and if it is the latter then you need to not come back here and try to divert us from what we are discussing. Of course you are free to disrupt as much as you want apparently but it would be nice if you had enough self respect to not do it.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)1.) I thought you were going to ignore me...
2.) I merely kept asking what is the solution (Redqueen and 1strongBlackman both suggested their goals, but not how to get there.)
3.) it appears that you think I'm trying to control things. That says more about you, than it does about me
Asking people for their proposed solution is disruption? I guess we learned different ways of solving problems.
MuseRider
(34,119 posts)I never said I was going to ignore you just not respond .....I just said that in the post you were responding to so I could not do that until now right? Yes I just overstepped it.
Yes it says more about me and that is what you do not get. Me as a woman being told what to do by a man who is trying to control the discussion. You do not get to do that. Unless you are female you do not get to run things. You do not get to direct this, that is the other thing you do not get.
WE ALREADY HAVE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS <--- yes I am yelling here. Your job, if you want to help and I am guessing that is not what you are doing here, is to go read them and ask us what we need you to do. YOU DO NOT GET TO RUN THINGS
I work on LGBT equality, my job is to help with stuff and add my thoughts but never to direct the discussion where I want or think it should go. Then I do what I am asked to do. Period. I am not LGBT so I DO NOT GET TO DIRECT the discussion and I DO NOT GET TO RUN THINGS.
Understand? Shit, I really don't care if you do or not. You will be here trying to disrupt though won't you? You think we are just wringing our little hands and weeping over our perceived abuses?
I tried to apologize and sincerely explain why you are perceived the way you are and you responded exactly the same way without a beat between posts. I no longer have the time to even bother reading what you write on this forum. Wish you had something productive to add. I really do.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)Is that you really want someone to yell at.
no... you have not proposed solutions. You have proposed goals. Goals are nice, solutions are better.
You keep acting like I'm trying to shut things down. I'm not trying to run things. I just kept asking what's the solution.
I actually found your apology to be condescending.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)men taking responsibility for their behavior not a solution? speaking out to friends, calling them on sexist behavior not a solution? teach your sons.... and daughters well, is not a solution?
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)I posted a whole thread just for you and people like you.
http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/
All the info/solutions you can stand.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)there it is...
presumed guilt.
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)We want to solve it. You want, apparently--you are a bit difficult to understand-- to not receive any blame for it and thus, be absolved of the need to participate in any solutions. (Yes, I KNOW you didn't say that)
You know of nobody who engages in that sort of behavior, and presumably no one who ever who has been the recipient of it.
So. Why are you here? You're are presenting this issue as though its not a problem for you at all. No need to think about it. A being of better taste, refined enotions, a cleaner existence, a classier set of problems.
I've provided a couple of links for you; there are personal stories, if you want to go, what would be for you, slumming.
WHAT exactly is your point?
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)Yes, I am a classier person, obviously, then the "men" you are talking about.
It just sounded like you said "to avoid blame, you have to help us."
I wanted to see if you have a specific battle plan.
I'm reading through your link. Interesting start - and you are right, I feel like I am slumming.
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)Why go slumming? Is there a spefic problem you have with feminists?
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I just don't like updated versions of original sin.
Also, I want to be able to see harassment extirpated before I die. As I've absorbed about 300 Rads (old school measurements, pre-gray/sievert), I'm on the clock.
THAT'S why I want to see the battle-plan! My nieces are growing up, and it's illegal for them to bring tasers to school (mind you, their school has a lot of nice, educated kids, so it hasn't been a problem.)
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)Given the story of Eve.
You have cancer?
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I don't have cancer. I'm hoping NOT to have cancer. My wife is hoping that I don't develop cancer.
But my doctor had to "give me the talk" about the chances. (read: possibly high chance.)
It isn't germane to the issue at hand.
I wanna see my nieces have good equal lives before I go. According to my doc, I'm on the clock.
This is why I keep pushing for the battle-plan.
(One of the happier signs that I've seen, is more places with higher proportions of gender-equity in science/tech/martial arts clubs).
ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)That is yet another topic, women in the sciences. We're making great gains, but the percentage numbers in many areas are pretty dismal. I'm a nurse, the only female dominated profession with any political clout. A nurse, but my first degree was an associates in science.
Sexual harassment happens when men feel its ok to treat women with complete disrespect. More men than not do not harass women, but a good percentage do. Society tends to support harassment in overt AND covert ways, we call that sexism.
One of the reason I provided the link is to show that things to stop it can be done and ARE being done. Many things, by both men and women. Your nieces will grow in not a perfect world, but an improving world, one with hope, one where injustices are not completely hidden for political expediancy, and someday perhaps, one where a woman can walk to her car at night without fearing a predator. Our young men and women are leaning.
Women make up fifty percent of medical students now. They are physicists and philosophers, biomed and genetic researchers. Professions mostly out of their reach not so long ago, and these last are fairly NEW sciences.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)nothing...
as a man.
are you really saying you have not hear 1, 2, and 3, what 1strongblackman has posted EVER before in your life?
see... since even my boys have heard at the youngest of ages, all the OPs you participate in about womens issues, and just being a fuckin adult, i have a very hard time believing your have NEVER heard this before.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)Maybe I hang out with a better group of people. Ever think of that?
Instead of automatically assuming men are jerks, maybe you might want to examine your first principles.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)from a man, or done yourself, the least would be an insterest instead of playing dumb, when a number of people and the OP explains to you.
but no geek, ..... not buying it. you have seen it in the mens forum you hang with, and i have yet to hear you speak up
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)Not one of my friends, myself, or my business associates does these things.
This is sort of like a different thread, where they were astonished and disbelieving when I said that the word "sermon" wasn't used in common language in my area...
Which men's forum?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)entitlement.
you get that, right?
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)perhaps b/c I'm not responding the way I'm "supposed" to...
right... I don't "see" the harassment... doesn't your statement suggest that somehow, all men not immediately helping your cause, are somehow "guilty?"
I don't buy into presumed guilt before proof. It's one of the reasons that I hang out with geeks, IRL.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I am so glad that there is finally a man who gets it 
MuseRider
(34,119 posts)Thank you.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i say it all the time.
just come here and give me a huge ass.... i know... i know... 
right on.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)rollin' eyes.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)it is exactly what i would expect. no more, for sure.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)sounds more like you are looking for a punching bag, as opposed to solutions.
Try this: (one time freebie)
1.) GOAL; stopping street harassment
2.) Target population: Men that harass (assuming all men harass women is a form of defamation, and lawsuit worthy. Wanna go there?)
3.) Transmission: education memes by catchy slogan
I'll let you fill in the rest, as I'm obviously an evil male.
You need to learn that people don't HAVE to help you...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)none. nada. hence, when i run into a man that has no desire to be part of the solution, but adamently insists on be part of the problem. a simple, ok. works for me. it is what it is.
Dash87
(3,220 posts)I was harassed when I made the mistake of walking alone while on my lunch break. This person said some angry, mean things and then rode away on his bike. I kicked myself after because that man (who appeared to be not all there mentally) could have easily hurt or even killed me, and nobody would have been around to help me.
I was afraid that I would see him again, especially by myself. I never went back there alone. 
There were no police around to get, or anyone for that matter (but I, unfortunately, put myself in that situation. I was stupid and learned my lesson). It took me like a day just to get the knot out of my chest.
MysticLynx
(51 posts)are many times the worst offenders. I work with survivors, and there is nothing more devastating than to have been assaulted by those many are brought up to trust, and justice for these women comes at an even higher price for them personally. Many give up and drop the charges.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,011 posts)If women called the cops every time they were harassed, 911 would be jammed, then the MRAs would point out how women walking down the street are destroying society and would tell them to lighten up, it's a compliment. Or some such idiocy.
Reminds what my almost rapist told me--"just lay back and enjoy it". Fuck that, I screamed my ass off and ran like hell. The cops wanted to know what I was wearing of course.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)WHAT is your solution?
Also, what is an MRA?
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)I thought you could.
Done with you.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I really DO want to know what your solution is...
Just complaining about a real problem doesn't do anything.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)is because this issue has been discussed widely for years, and there are many kinds of actions which have been proposed to deal with it.
Some from men, even.
http://www.care2.com/causes/men-advocate-to-end-street-harassment-against-women-video.html
So to have you come in here with this demand that we explain our personal 'solutions', well... it's rather... puzzling.
There are many proposed solutions. Most of the ones the women in here advocate for are going to focus on changing the way society views women, and the socialization of boys and men to accept this kind of behavior as somehow unavoidable / inescapable / unchangeable / etc.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)1.) good video
2.) I have yet to demand anything. Shame on you for trying to paint someone with the "demand" brush.
3.) I wanted to know your proposed solution. I've heard a bunch, and I'd like to know how you'd implement it.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)your tone did not come across to me as being conversational. At all. You did say "please", later, to someone else, when you requested that they fetch a link for you... so there is that.
Gotta run, so good day again.
a geek named Bob
(2,715 posts)I have to go and make stew for our guests...
redqueen
(115,103 posts)and glad we could get in a bit of actual conversing, at least.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)that he is clueless.
yes, things like that tend to make a person be less than patient and willing to put time into education.
CrispyQ
(36,516 posts)"I can't take you anywhere!" Love that!
"It's not OK."
"You make men look bad."
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Lord, the cops would have time for little else.
And yeah, I can imagine some eye-roll accompanied responses:
'We have our hands full with real crimes, lady.'
'A lot of women would love to still get that kind of attention.'
'I'd love it if someone complimented my (fill in the body part)! What's the big deal?'
and the old stand by... 'Ah that's just boys being boys.'
etc etc etc ad nauseam ad infinitum.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
i have been taking a break of late. lookie what i found.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)really, just a "nice" man who is uncomfortable in a social setting, give him a fuckin break.
burnsei sensei
(1,820 posts)That's all it is.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)you are right on.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)
arcane1
(38,613 posts)
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)not to be timid. lift those eyes, and let the "men" boys, know you call bullshit.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)over the years, peeling back the onion, i get a better, and better understanding how we have created, lived and conditioned us to this, both genders and as a whole.
these two things. when told it is the religious, it is the republic. nah.... not a party issue. a man issue. or even not gender specific but a lack of understanding by both gender how conditioning, "conflates "masculinity" and male sexuality" is all about the power and dominance in "all women's bodies are available and accessible to men.".
it literally dismisses womens sexuality and even when womans sexuality is acknowledged, that sexuality is about handing it to the man for his entertainment and use, not the woman.
when are we going to wake up and not readily hand our sexuality over. why would men want to believe all their life is dictated by the penis leading? they dont. women dont. when it does not suit conversation. but embrace when it does.
CrispyQ
(36,516 posts)This will not be good for the human species, if we continue down this path. Not for women or men. I fear for young ones being brought up in such a culture. You, Sea, take time with your kids, to counter & discuss this cesspool we live in, but how many parents do not, for whatever reason. What kinds of human beings is our society turning out?
aquart
(69,014 posts)Because that doesn't happen here and I remember when it did. All quiet passing a construction site now.
theinquisitivechad
(322 posts)To all kinds of women, regardless of dress. Hollering at me while I pass by will make me hate you. Staring me down and spinning around to look at me as I pass, is not attractive and will make me hate you. Standing in front of my path, and then moving right as I try to move left around you, and then moving left as I try to move right around you, will just make me hate you.
There are a lot of women walking around burdened with a hatred of men for just these reasons. And I'm not even getting into sexual assault. Due to a lifetime of this, I've developed a resentment toward men on the street. Seriously. I won't even look at you. Because you're probably going to harrass me.
If you want to flirt with someone, that's fine. But ask yourself whether it crosses the line from flirting, to intimidation. A "You look very nice today" will suffice.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)They're intimidating us because they can, and because it makes them feel powerful.
They're not flirting, just bullying.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Street harassment is done just to harass and intimidate.
