2016 Postmortem
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Hillary Clinton turns up the heat on Bernie Sanders
By Jeff Zeleny, Dan Merica and Eric Bradner, CNN
Updated 8:30 PM ET, Sat January 9, 2016 | Video Source: CNN
Washington (CNN) -- A sense of anxiety is cascading through Hillary Clinton's campaign, with an increasing sense of urgency the primary fight with Bernie Sanders is far more of a threat than once imagined, unlikely to be extinguished after the first contests in Iowa and New Hampshire.
Clinton has gone from all but ignoring Sanders to fiercely engaging him in recent days, a reflection of public and private polling that points to a race that is uncomfortably competitive for the Democratic front-runner. She openly questions his electability and argues that he is out of step with the party on guns and other issues.
It is all part of a coordinated effort to persuade voters who may be intrigued by Sanders' populist rage to take a longer view and embrace Clinton's candidacy, whether or not they were initially enthused about her.
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The persistent challenge from Sanders presents a critical challenge for Clinton. She's in a far stronger position in many states that hold primaries later in the nominating contest. But a loss in the Iowa caucuses on February 1 will will revive memories of Clinton's third-place finish there in 2008, which ultimately doomed her first presidential bid. She's facing an even tougher race in New Hampshire, where she won the crucial primary eight years ago.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)of Bernie's style "Sanders' populist rage" which is why it reminds me so much of Trump sans the verbal and physical violence.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)feel after thirty years of bs. She can try 'rage' as a tactic but it will blow up in her face. She was complacent. She didn't campaign like she had to earn it because she had a year of bs from the press about a clinton-bush inevitability contest. Both of them are in trouble because the country is sick of both of them. She blew a chance to be the one that everyone wanted, needed and hoped for but she blew it, continues to mess up and will do so in future. that is why she is feeling the bern. There is NOTHING comparable about Bernie and Trump. Nothing. Even sans whatever. IMHO
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)you clinton supporters are getting desperate now.that just tells me things are going good for bernie.
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)But I had to pick a candidate and went with the most qualified and most able to get stuff done - HRC.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)foreign policy position he's ever made.
Not sure how you drew your conclusion, but Bernie knows how to work with a Republican Congress to get progressive goals "done" and he didn't destabilize a whole region, bringing on new terrorist threats.
azmom
(5,208 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)Was he able to get Republicans to pass President Obama's American Jobs Act which would have trained and employed the aggrieved white working class, many of whom are unable to find work even though there are many jobs because most have only a HS diploma. Did he stop the 7 years of racism the Republicans spewed toward President Obama and AAs in general? Did he speak out against the lies and hate AG Holder had to endure? and every last one of his policies? Did he quell the lies about Obamacare and stand arm and arm with the racists TeaParty that spit on Rep. John Lewis and other DEM reps on the eve of passage of the Affordable Care Act? Was Bernie there?
Was he able to get Republicans to confirm federal judicial nominees? Was he able to prevent any of the Republican led shutdowns of our federal gov't. What about the downgrading of America's AAA credit rating. Did Bernie stop that?
A Republican president and his team used debunked information to manipulate the Congress and the American people to justify the invasion of Iraq. Apparently Bernie did not have the influence to get enough people to join him to prevent the invasion of Iraq. The Bush administration destabilized the region through their cowboy mentality and policies. They fired Saddam's elite Republican Guard but let them keep their weapons. Let me introduce you to ISIS/ISIL. Osama bin Laden a US ally in Afghanistan to counter the Russians later became terrorist bin Laden toward the end of Reagan's term and continued through pappy Bush' one term. Unfortunately, Clinton gregarious personality, his glad handing made him a little more trustworthy than he should have been of the vultures and snakes that operate in every corner of DC in and outside the gov't. President Obama understood this BEFORE taking office. Some of the vultures and snakes are in his own party.
Bernie has framed his message in a way that appeals to those who "feel" letdown, left out, and forgotten. While Bernie speaks the language of the aggrieved there's no evidence that he could get anything done whether it was a DEM or a Repub Congress.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)I thought that was the whole point of having one. We get to choose our candidate.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Except the Hillary group. They've been counting on a coronation for two years now, and they are mightily pissed that it's not happening that way.
Back in '08 they also thought it would be a coronation, and got quite upset when it wasn't. Remember the PUMAs? If you don't, you're quite young, or very forgetful. Either way, look it up.
NO ONE deserves the nomination just because. Unfortunately, an awful lot of Hillary supporters actually do think she deserves the nomination just because. They never respond to actual challenges or questions of her position, but fall back on: She's the best qualified candidate EVER, without ever considering that all of those things she did as a Senator or as a Secretary of State might possibly be a tad less than wonderful.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)I read about coronation but not by Hillary supporters.
I have given Hillary's positions, here is a link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=738352
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)but they have been acting all along as if she is the only one who should be running. Many of them seem quite outraged that anyone else dares oppose her. Especially Bernie, because his supporters are so many and so vocal. They completely ignore O'Malley, which is easy to do as he probably doesn't have any chance at all.
But they are quite incensed that anyone dare put any speed bumps on the road to her inevitability. Yeah, that's the word I've seen over and over connected to her running: inevitable. It has largely fallen from usage these days.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Hillary supporters. Yes, I believe Hillary can win and if you will notice we are working in Iowa and NH to get people out for Hillary, this is what supporters does. I am not outraged if anyone dares to oppose Hillary, I just wish the debunked talking points would stop. I have not ignored O'Malley, I did my research on O'Malley and if Hillary was not running I would probably be supporting O'Malley, I just like the positions Hillary has taken, I know her advocacy on women's issues, childrens' issues and more. I like her foreign policy and know she has experience and knowledge.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)we were assured that Hillary was going to coast to the nomination. When Bernie Sanders declared his candidacy he was mocked as a Socialist and irrelevant and of course wouldn't stand a chance against the Hillary juggernaut. We were assured that nothing at all would slow down here certain nomination and then election. And as that has looked less and less inevitable, there's been an increase in the scorn heaped on Bernie Sanders and his supporters.
I am equally offended by the Bernie people who confidently predict his nomination and election, and I'm really made crazy by premature discussions of VP pick or, even more hubristic, speculating about the cabinet choices.
And I'm sorry that you think her willingness to bomb women and children, and her equal willingness to deport children, to be advocacy of women and children.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Desperation is setting in... as TRUTH is finally rising to the surface in this campaign.
The least electable candidate is most certainly NOT Bernie Sanders in this race.
It is evident that "The Establishment" is having a Heart Attack over the prospect of Hillary's now escalating decline. Clinton Incorporated's new TV ad in Iowa with the scary voice telling folks that only one candidate can keep Cruz or trump from becoming POTUS, is in direct conflict with the empirical evidence that Bernie Trashes trump by double the Margin of Hillary.
So why in the SamHill would anyone want to take a chance with Hillary? Makes absolutely NO sense!
Just because a cohort of middle age and elderly female Democrats support her while TOTALLY IGNORING the long and "colorful" history of Clinton Incorporated, does not mean that the rest of us should take the dive off the cliff along with them.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)GOP vetting Sanders, although they have alluded to some of the Swift Boat talking points it has not occurred on 24/7 as a twenty five year history of Swift Boating on the Clintons.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)It was an attack on the real sacrifices of a genuine war hero - having Republican allied vets telling lies about his service, for which the Navy gave him two very prestigious medals - the bronze star with valor and a silver star as well as three purple hearts.
Where Kerry simply posted the Navy record of his time in Vietnam - and the press demanded that HE prove that Republican claims that contradicted the Navy record were lies. When they proved many many accusations were - the liars just publicized another group - their book, which contradicted itself was metaphorically a cluster bomb of lies. For the Republicans, the goal of this was to deny Kerry the real character references that this time gave him. His guys, who were in Boston to surprise him at a party for 25 years in the Senate, clearly not only respect him, but love him.
It is true that the Clintons were attacked - and many attacks were complete lies. In some way these lies actually have the effect of HELPING the Clintons. Things like HRC murdering Vince Foster were so preposterous they just made the people alleging them look idiotic. Then - the Clintons skillfully mixing those attacks with others that were less obviously wrong - were able to dismiss all of them.
I don't intend to list all of them, but those of us who lived through that era remember there were things where we just wanted to forget we learned of them. Most of them were a combination of not following rules and refusing to be transparent when they should. Some were personal and others were as Democratic leaders (for that google Clinton campaign financing).
While it is true that there were awful attacks on the Clintons, there was something particularly mean spirited in attacking Kerry with lies on his service. Note - had they focused just on his protests, that would have been fair. While I think that was heroic and he was right, that is something that even when looked at honestly, there are people who disagree.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Benghazi wasn't pursued to enhance Hillary's status. If Sanders is the nominee the GOP will attack him just as they have the Clintons and John Kerry.
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Bernie is more popular everyday. California may be the state that makes Bernie the nominee.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Sorry, I couldn't resist
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Clinton's are learning a new lesson.
All that money, all that fame. Berned up in less than a year. Wow!!
artislife
(9,497 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)I am appalled by the actions of the DNC. Stonewalling the will of so much of the Democratic electorate on the issue of debates is just insane. Sure to taint the results and decrease Democratic Party loyalty.
I feel the Bern. I see evidence of people finally getting the drift of his message, I mean people who pay about as much attention as the average American, not those on this site.
His message is so, so very strong, and compares very favorably with the watered down and inconsistent views offered elsewhere.
Go, Bernie, Go!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Just wait until Iowa, then you'll see some real anxiety.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Not bad.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Hekate
(90,778 posts)It is completely one-sided. The Clintons are not obliging either Trump or the media by taking the bait.
Based on the behavior of the media thus far, I am going to call bullshit on the "cascade of anxiety" story from CNN.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I just saw her speeches about a new type of predatory criminal from 1996. I was shocked at the racism and deceit. She made millions in the backs of the poor and oppressed with her coveted drug war. Insidious.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Sanders may win New Hampshire but that's about it. Sorry but that's what the science of numbers says.
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Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)and Hillary losing won't change anything.
Keep telling yourself that.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]
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randome
(34,845 posts)Taking a stand is admirable. But putting all your eggs in one basket? Not advisable.
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BlueMTexpat
(15,372 posts)not.
CNN wants to create drama where none exists. Yes, Bernie represents a persistent challenge. I'm glad that he does because I like where it's taking the discussion. But Hillary's campaign is hardly anxious about this challenge; it is simply taking no vote for granted.
When one has candidates who actually behave like adults (as all our Dem candidates do) instead of like misbehaving toddlers with tantrums, then the press has to find something else to write about. The press should be discussing their policy differences - not imaginary fights. But discussing something that might actually educate voters is not entertaining enough for US MSM today.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The moral and ethical meltdown if Camp Weathervane actually gets behind will be epically stupendous.
You ain't seen nothin' yet.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Broward
(1,976 posts)Great to see Bernie's message gaining traction.
Renew Deal
(81,870 posts)So Hillary is doing the right thing trying to seperate the two.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/294643292/NBC-News-SurveyMonkey-Weekly-Election-Tracking-Poll
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)It's in the interest of Corporations and the millionaire talking heads to report political races as close, right up to the end.
And as the champion of the Corporate elite, it's in their interest to promote Hillary
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)Bernie will win IOWA and NH in landslide victories. He'll then go on to win Nevada and the corrupt corporate owned MSM will be exposed for the HRH shills they are and HRH supporters will finally be forced to face reality - their coronation isn't going to happen.
PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)However, remembering 08: When the Clintons
feel threatened they start to play really dirty.
That at least is my fear.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)the voting machines. If Bernie's support is as huge as I think it is, they probably can't fudge the numbers without being conspicuous. So far, Bernie has handled the Clinton dirt flung at him with aplomb! I think he can handle whatever the Clinton machine throws at him. People love Bernie and his supporters don't take kindly to him being attacked. The Internet will explode!
He's got this, sadoldgirl! 99% > 1%! We the people are going to take back our country.
PEACE ✌
LOVE ❤
BERNIE
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)Thanks for the headsup.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)and reassembles the Donald more than differs from him, also becoming apparent .
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)Yes he is out of step with the party! Mainly because the party is way out of step with the people.
Then again what's this populist rage thing?
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)When Trump went up to Vermont and said he that he looks forward to competing with Bernie.
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)supersedes all other issues are a big percentage of the population outside the beltway and the media. That doesn't put food on the table or do anything else important to the average person. Raising wages significantly does this. She doesn't promise that. Eliminating college debt does this. She doesn't promise to do that. Eliminating health insurace costs does that. She doesn't promise to do that. The things she does promise are things Bernie will do too.