Comparing these Sanders' and Clinton's favorability/unfavorability charts shows why Clinton loses

[Attorney in Texas]

the general election, but we eliminate that risk by nominating Sanders:

[zappaman]

1. That's nice. n/t

[JoePhilly]

2. These abstract surveys are not predictive of anything.

I've explained this over and over.

Theory of Reasoned Action. Very well understood description of the connection between attitudes, and behavior.

But I would hate to stop you from posting this same set of useless charts over and over as if they actually predicted anything.

[Attorney in Texas]

3. Not predictive?! If predictive in 8 of the last 9 presidential elections is "not predictive" then

you are right. Otherwise, you're blowing smoke:

[JoePhilly]

4. Prepare to be wrong.

Bernie will not beat Hillary in the primary.

[Attorney in Texas]

5. Yes, we'll all bow to her highness once you crown her but don't we have to vote first?

[JoePhilly]

6. The best way to predict how people will vote ...

... is to ask them who they plan to vote for.

The time to ask them other questions is when you don't like the result you get when you ask them who they plan to vote for.


Oh, the bowing us totally up to you.

[reformist2]

17. Yes. And in the general, more people say they'll vote for Bernie over Trump, than Hillary over Trump

[JoePhilly]

22. Doesn't matter if he can't beat Hillary.

And he can't.

[CorporatistNation]

24. Lets Talk in THREE Weeks... The Trend Clearly Favors The Senator from Vermont! KANDR!

X Squared Plus Four Equals A Sanders WIN!

Then watch as the HRC Camp/DWS/Establishment scramble as the wheels come flying off!

Bernie is Lovable, Very Informed, and has Demonstrated Good Judgement as well as Sincere with a 50 year History of being Someone that People understand they can... TRUST!

[JoePhilly]

26. Let's talk in 3 months.

I'm pretty sure you'll have been "scrambled" by then.

[stevenleser]

9. As I pointed out in another OP there is a critical problem with this post

The previous folks you posted about show their numbers on election day. Bernie hasn't faced Republican criticism yet. Hillary has.

If we are unlucky enough to nominate Bernie, when the Republicans get finished with him, he will be at -25 on election day.

Hillary will be pretty much where she is now or better.

[tecelote]

20. As I pointed out in another OP...

You just say this and expect us to believe you?

Bernie will garner Independents and some Republicans where Hillary has much less cross-over appeal.

I asked but you had nothing that the Republicans can throw at Bernie as an example of what will crush him.

Come on, inquiring minds want to know?

[CorporatistNation]

25. Hillary Rather Than Having Crossover appeal Has Instead Crossover Antipathy!

THAT IS THE Problem with Hillary... It IS The History of... "Clinton Incorporated!

[stevenleser]

27. Someone else responded to you that Nate Silver has this on his polling tips.

So no, you dont have to believe ME.

[baldguy]

7. This shows that 30 yrs of RW propaganda has had an effect.

And the fact that Sanders hasn't been the target - and Clinton has, and yet has had consistent favorability - doesn't bode well for Sanders.

[Attorney in Texas]

8. Hillary has collaborated by providing an awful lot of kindling to fuel that propoganda

[baldguy]

12. Bullshit. 90% of those "scandals" were made up of whole cloth by the GOP.

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And the other 10% weren't nearly as devastating or serious as the RW propaganda mill made them out to be.

But Bernie's supporters happily parade the bullshit out as of it's truthful, new, relevant - or even representative of progressive ideals. And they try to justify this reprehensible behavior by claiming "we mustn't elect a real Democrat like Hillary because the Republicans might say something mean about them! Vote for the fake Democrat instead!"

Berniestas crawl into the pigsty with the pigs, then pretend they're covered on rose pedals in an attempt to convince everyone else they smell sweet. But they're really just covering themselves in the same stinking muck as the RWers they claim to oppose.

[Attorney in Texas]

13. "I remember landing under sniper fire" in Tuzla, Bosnia and "there was supposed to be some kind of a

greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

Was that quote or the contrary film footage which unequivocally disproves that quote "made up of whole cloth by the GOP?" The Republicans had no hand in this -- she made this shit up herself.

I like Clinton and if she is our nominee I will forgive her errors, but let's not pretend that Clinton played no role in her well earned poor marks for dishonesty and untrustworthiness.

Shall we go one-by-one through the not-made-up-by-Republicans incidents of documented fabricated self-aggrandizement or can we please just agree that HRC has occasionally collaborated in the attacks on her honesty by making shit up from time to time?

[baldguy]

15. That's a perfect example of all the meaningless "issues" people have with Clinton

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That have nothing really to do with the issues.

I'm not going to try to refute every RW lie that's been advertised by RW propaganda. Getting into the nitty-gritty trying to do that while they come up with some other bit of bullshit is exactly what the RW wants! The fact that supposed progressives on DU don't recognize it for what it is, and instead are helping the RW is astonishing to me. Every time.

You should have realized by now that the reason Bernie isn't a target of this RW lie machine isn't because of his inherent honesty and integrity - it's because he hasn't been a national figure for 30 yrs and isn't the front-runner for the nomination. If you want Bernie to win the nod & win the Presidency - just wait.

[Skidmore]

18. +1 nt

[vkkv]

10. K&R

Did you try posting this at Hillary Humpers ?

[merrily]

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[vkkv]

23. Thank you Merrily. One poster over at the Hillary "group" actually said that she doesn't like

the way Bernie "wags his finger"... made no points about how Bernie faces the issues, they just don't like his fingering "wagging"...

You see, now THAT'S HOW you pick a candidate!

Ask Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.

[JRLeft]

11. Dodging sniper fire lie might have had an impact on her negatives.

[Betty Karlson]

16. With Clinton, we risk losing the White House.

With Sanders, we will win back the senate and maybe even the house. Easy choice, right?

[Blue_Adept]

19. Lots of people feel the complete opposite

Only voting will tell!

[Betty Karlson]

21. Polls tell us he has cross-over appeal, and her coattails are negative.

So I guess that those who "feel" differently may want to acquaint themselves with who is strategically the better choice: Sanders.