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BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:38 PM Jan 2016

Planned Parenthood Stands with You

For 100 years, Planned Parenthood has provided reproductive healthcare for American women. I myself received my first gynecological exam at a Planned Parenthood clinic. In many places in the nation, they are the only clinics that provide such services--not just abortion but regular gynecological exams, pap smears, cervicals, and birth control.

We are experiencing renewed calls by the GOP to defund Planned Parenthood and to deprive women of those basic medical services that allow us autonomy over our lives. Now, a movement of some "progressives" has arisen to deny them funding--essentially to encourage private citizens to stop donations--because Planned Parenthood endorsed for the presidency a candidate who has forcefully and proactively defended their work with American women.

The primary contest of 2016 is a historical blip, a brief moment that will pass. The work Planned Parenthood does is far more enduring. Denying Planned Parenthood funding now can result in unwanted pregnancies that might otherwise have been prevented by family planning services birth control. That affects the entirety of women's lives and even subsequent generations.

Yet some insist what really matters is not the work PP does but Bernie's career. They should be punished for failing to endorse him. For that vocal minority of Sanders supporters, his political prospects trump the reproductive rights of the women of America, particularly those in rural and poor areas with no other options.

I don't care much who anyone supports for the nomination, but when Planned Parenthood is targeted because they failed to prioritize the electoral prospects of a particular member of the political elite, an indelible line in the sand is drawn. If Bernie's candidacy is really more important to you than the work Planned Parenthood does, something is seriously wrong. If people advocate that Planned Parenthood be deprived of funding and girls and women saddled with unwanted pregnancy as a result, they forsake any pretense of standing for any just or justifiable cause.

When "progressives" target an organization that has worked for the reproductive rights of women for many decades, their priorities are made clear. It's not enough to openly court the votes of anti-choice advocates, but now they they share the right's enemies list: First Black Lives Matter, then one union after another, Emily's List, and now Planned Parenthood. Why people claim to justify that opposition matters far less than the fact they are actively working to undermine them.

No politician is worth more than the lives and rights of half of the American population. Joining the GOP War on Women is not progressive or leftist. Its simply wrong.

Planned Parenthood has stood with us for 100 years. It's time we stand with them. If you're a Sanders supporter, stand up for equal rights. Make clear that you do not elevate one man above the women and families of America, that supporting Bernie (or Hillary or Martin) demands standing up for rather than forsaking equal rights.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/donate

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Planned Parenthood Stands with You (Original Post) BainsBane Jan 2016 OP
People who I have supported that presume to make political endorsements... 99Forever Jan 2016 #1
agreed roguevalley Jan 2016 #26
So you're a proud fair weather friend. Cary Jan 2016 #86
You were expecting that Planned Parenthood would ask your opinion? Seriously? Squinch Jan 2016 #109
If they want support... 99Forever Jan 2016 #112
Nope. Planned Parenthood now doubling down on their political folly Proserpina Jan 2016 #2
well stated rurallib Jan 2016 #50
There was no mistake. They chose the right candidate. leftofcool Jan 2016 #53
The right candidate for them to officially choose would have been none. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #56
"Choosing a candidate" is not part of their mission statement Proserpina Jan 2016 #59
Yes, they did. They can deny it all they want, but facts are facts. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #64
I will continue to donate to PP, even though it supports the corporate democrat. JRLeft Jan 2016 #3
^^^ this ^^^ Leave the politics out of it. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #36
PP made this political, not ANYONE else demwing Jan 2016 #57
PLANNED PARENTHOOD CAN DO NO WRONG. STAND WITH THEM. YOU HAVE BEEN ASSIMILATED Hiraeth Jan 2016 #74
Or stand against them. You will be standing with the Republicans and the most disgusting JTFrog Jan 2016 #82
I HAVE BEEN ASSILMILATED. I HAVE MADE USE OF THEIR SERVICES. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #87
Thank you,Bain. sufrommich Jan 2016 #4
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service William769 Jan 2016 #32
Thank you for sharing that,Bill. sufrommich Jan 2016 #41
Anytime. William769 Jan 2016 #61
I'd like to buy juror #4 a drink!!!! Walk away Jan 2016 #133
Juror #4 TSIAS Jan 2016 #147
I'm sure they are proud to have nothing to do with you! Walk away Jan 2016 #150
classy Hiraeth Jan 2016 #39
And I stand with them ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #5
So many people have been helped by Planned Parenthood, BB.. I think they will be fine. Cha Jan 2016 #6
Planned Parenthood made the right choice.. that's for sure! Cha Jan 2016 #7
Exactly Cha. In today's political climate, PP could not risk having oasis Jan 2016 #31
Hillary's always been there for them.. they know they have a Fighter and a Winner. Cha Jan 2016 #44
I thought it was a terrible idea. liberalnarb Jan 2016 #40
Really. SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #58
Their divisive endorsement for purely political reasons will further divide the Party and hurt rhett o rick Jan 2016 #134
While I do not agree with their MuseRider Jan 2016 #8
Thanks for that BainsBane Jan 2016 #9
You are welcome. MuseRider Jan 2016 #11
Totally agree Gloria Jan 2016 #95
I have supported PP for years. That remains unchanged. I simply do not support Hillary. cali Jan 2016 #10
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Jan 2016 #12
k&r Starry Messenger Jan 2016 #13
K&R mcar Jan 2016 #14
No No No - They should be punished for failing to endorse him SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #15
"They should be punished" JTFrog Jan 2016 #18
I was quoting from the OP - that is not my opinion SoLeftIAmRight Jan 2016 #22
Cecile Richards dragonfly301 Jan 2016 #16
Bingo, I bet. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #60
I doubt average voters pay much attention to endorsements though Nyan Jan 2016 #72
you said questionseverything Jan 2016 #103
call it what you want dragonfly301 Jan 2016 #111
pretty darn bleak questionseverything Jan 2016 #113
Right - all the donations that have been cancelled by us small donors dragonfly301 Jan 2016 #124
I stand with Planned Parenthood. ALWAYS. What is happening at DU is shameful. Hekate Jan 2016 #17
^^^^^THIS^^^^^ n/t JTFrog Jan 2016 #21
There are other places to give money that are just as important for women. eggplant Jan 2016 #19
thanks for the link dragonfly301 Jan 2016 #23
Fund Abortion Now is not even the same type sufrommich Jan 2016 #24
I never said they were the same. eggplant Jan 2016 #90
What I'm most alarmed at Dale Neiburg Jan 2016 #66
Yea, except they DO help you find a provider. eggplant Jan 2016 #88
That seems to vary with the chapter: Dale Neiburg Jan 2016 #110
"not to knock FAN" eggplant Jan 2016 #117
Absolutely Brilliant Post! BooScout Jan 2016 #20
I don't care who they endorse for office. davidthegnome Jan 2016 #25
The spin in this statement is dizzying. MrChuck Jan 2016 #27
Too much drama IMHO. No organization is above criticism, Vattel Jan 2016 #28
a lot of childish assholes are encouraging donors to 'defund Planned Parenthood' over this. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #33
That does seem like a gross overreaction. Vattel Jan 2016 #38
especially since PP itself doesn't donate to Clinton or endorse her, it's their PAC that does. geek tragedy Jan 2016 #43
Good point. Vattel Jan 2016 #47
Back in the days when I was a corporate employee comradebillyboy Jan 2016 #85
I stand with PP. bigwillq Jan 2016 #29
Thank you BainsBane Jan 2016 #35
Oh give me a break already... mountain grammy Jan 2016 #30
They should have thought of that azmom Jan 2016 #34
Why punish PP by depriving poor women of desperately needed healthcare? SunSeeker Jan 2016 #83
It was a calculated political decision. azmom Jan 2016 #107
I think it is safe to assume Bernie supporters most upset about this never funded PP. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #118
If they didn't before, they sure as hell won't now. azmom Jan 2016 #119
Comments like that prove PP PAC picked the right candidate to endorse. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #120
Had that same thought. joshcryer Jan 2016 #122
I stand with PP liberalnarb Jan 2016 #37
Well said! n/t Spazito Jan 2016 #42
Let's stand by them HassleCat Jan 2016 #45
If PP doesn't stand with all Democrats during the primaries, it cannot expect Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #46
If PP wants to play politics ... earthside Jan 2016 #69
Endorse all Democrats in primaries? BainsBane Jan 2016 #78
"Failing to prioritize"? How about "Choosing to prioritize"? Blue State Bandit Jan 2016 #48
"sticking their thumbs in half the democratic party's face" SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #73
I agree with you PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #49
Whoever made this endorsement should be fired. fbc Jan 2016 #51
I seriously doubt that it was one person. And, if there is a "split among Democrats" (capital D!).. George II Jan 2016 #52
Yes, but you know it will never happen Proserpina Jan 2016 #55
That's true, Planned Parenthood only provides low cost healthcare to the 1% emulatorloo Jan 2016 #63
Planned Parenthood treats the 99% as feedstock, a reason to exist Proserpina Jan 2016 #71
"Planned Parenthood treats the 99% as Feedstock" emulatorloo Jan 2016 #77
Do you know the difference between the 1% Management and the 99% worker bees and customers? Proserpina Jan 2016 #79
I began digging to see if there might be a "1%" reason behind the endorsement, which IS a bit... HeartoftheMidwest Jan 2016 #96
"split their support among democrats"? oasis Jan 2016 #68
Since there is a zentrum Jan 2016 #54
k and r niyad Jan 2016 #62
In the time before ObamaCare, Planned Parenthood was there for my daughter in her difficult time. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #65
This is like beyond stupid to attack an endorser. I have not seen anything like it. Dems, all seabeyond Jan 2016 #67
"The confirmation that has been repeatedly given to us." Hiraeth Jan 2016 #75
Absolutely! Skidmore Jan 2016 #70
+1 Jamaal510 Jan 2016 #97
Well written BB Iliyah Jan 2016 #76
It's unfathomable BainsBane Jan 2016 #80
I suspect that many of the people who are insisting MADem Jan 2016 #81
I tend to think you're right BainsBane Jan 2016 #149
This subject is very important to me... one_voice Jan 2016 #84
Nice post. Thanks. Cary Jan 2016 #89
Planned Parenthood just inserted themselves into Democratic party politics raindaddy Jan 2016 #91
Thanks. The "I am taking my bat and ball and going home because I didn't get my way" is telling. Cary Jan 2016 #92
K&R 'cause that's how DU rolls nowadays. nt BumRushDaShow Jan 2016 #93
Again, this is not a zero sum game. blackspade Jan 2016 #94
It certainly provided an opportunity BainsBane Jan 2016 #98
This is only about values to those that have a myopic view of politics. blackspade Jan 2016 #100
Lashing Jamaal510 Jan 2016 #99
I make up my own mind about political candidates. MineralMan Jan 2016 #101
When the nomination process has sorted out RandySF Jan 2016 #102
Sanders Statement on Planned Parenthood LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #104
Bernie Sanders: I 'will defend' Planned Parenthood, there's no selling of fetuses LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #105
Bernie Sanders: GOP Efforts To Defund Planned Parenthood 'An Attack On Women's Health' LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #106
And yet some of his supporters are promising to do just that. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #123
Exactly. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #128
I stand with Planned Parenthood Gothmog Jan 2016 #108
Aw jeez ffs Voice for Peace Jan 2016 #114
Planned Parenthood should have the support of all "real" Democrats. (eom) oasis Jan 2016 #115
SPOT ON riversedge Jan 2016 #132
I will continue my support and my volunteering there but I will fight to get those in their rhett o rick Jan 2016 #135
Thanks for volunteering at PP. I don't see how the Democratic oasis Jan 2016 #137
This is corruption. I think you underestimate how much people are fed up with this type of rhett o rick Jan 2016 #144
Not enough people see things the way you do in order for any change to occur. oasis Jan 2016 #145
I am shocked and dismayed that so many so called progressives.... Sheepshank Jan 2016 #116
Indeed. Particularly since the PP PAC endorsed Hillary, not PP. nt SunSeeker Jan 2016 #121
The GOP is doing everything in their power to defund PP. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #125
PP's endorsement of Hillary Clinton will not change my support for them, for what it's worth. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #126
My friends and I have always supported Planned Parenthood and I dislike Bernie Sanders as... Walk away Jan 2016 #127
A courageous stance. Glad that they are not only not backing down, but that they have clearly named Number23 Jan 2016 #129
hell yes to this! boston bean Jan 2016 #130
Joining an incredibly long and impressive list of liberal organizations, causes and individuals Number23 Jan 2016 #138
I support PP's mission but I don't support their decision to endorse at this point, nor their choice aikoaiko Jan 2016 #131
Nobody here is standing against Planned Parenthood DemocraticWing Jan 2016 #136
"Nobody here is standing against Planned Parenthood". JTFrog Jan 2016 #139
Perhaps you should read some of the responses in this thread. BainsBane Jan 2016 #140
KICK! Cha Jan 2016 #141
Wonderful post, BainsBane! calimary Jan 2016 #142
Thanks, Calimary. BainsBane Jan 2016 #148
K&R betsuni Jan 2016 #143
PP made a serious mistake by taking side in a Democratic Campaign where they have the support of Bernblu Jan 2016 #146
K&R ismnotwasm Jan 2016 #151
Big K&R. I'll add to your excellent OP... YoungDemCA Jan 2016 #152
Ya know. !!! seabeyond Jan 2016 #153
Thanks for this post. You made me think. seabeyond Jan 2016 #154
This is the chart they created showing why they endorsed Clinton BainsBane Jan 2016 #155

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
1. People who I have supported that presume to make political endorsements...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jan 2016

... without asking my opinion, DO NOT stand with me.

Period.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
112. If they want support...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jan 2016

... they damn sure better ask the people who are paying their way through life if it's okay with them.

You get the difference between a generic and a personal me, right?

Or perhaps you don't. That wouldn't surprise me.

that.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
2. Nope. Planned Parenthood now doubling down on their political folly
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:44 PM
Jan 2016

They had no business endorsing before the primary process selected a candidate, and they won't admit to the mistake and the damage they have done to their organization's reputation.

Shifting the blame to those who call them on their faux pas is not the way to fix it, either.

"Turn back, O WOMan, forswear thy foolish ways..."

rurallib

(62,448 posts)
50. well stated
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jan 2016

while we continue to support their work PP should have stayed out of the primary. There is little difference in support of reproductive rights among the three candidates. Thus any of the three should be quite acceptable to them.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
56. The right candidate for them to officially choose would have been none.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jan 2016

I agree that this is (hopefully) a blip, but it is a blip of very poor judgment.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
59. "Choosing a candidate" is not part of their mission statement
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jan 2016

"Choosing a candidate" before the primaries is putting the entire operation in jeopardy.

Not only does this alienate a large portion of the voting public that would ordinarily have no quarrel with PP, it adds fuel to the political pyre that the GOP is building.

What were they thinking? It was an obvious and blatant case of one Elitist hand washing the other, with no thought for the public which PP purports to serve. It is, in a word, CORRUPT.

...all the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand-off...

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
64. Yes, they did. They can deny it all they want, but facts are facts.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jan 2016

Planned Parenthood chose to endorse the ONE candidate who actually drafted bills to protect women's rights.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
3. I will continue to donate to PP, even though it supports the corporate democrat.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jan 2016

It does important work for women, especially poor women.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
57. PP made this political, not ANYONE else
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jan 2016

I don't regret a cent I've ever given, but I don't expect to donate again any time soon.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
82. Or stand against them. You will be standing with the Republicans and the most disgusting
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:05 PM
Jan 2016

people in this country.

Have at it.

William769

(55,147 posts)
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Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jan 2016

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Thank you,Bain.
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Explanation: So you try to silence anyone you disagree with? Pathetic. There is a lot of agreement with this sentiment here on DU. Fuck anyone who goes after PP. All in hopes of hurting Hillary? Those threatening to withhold thier money from PP because they want to hurt Hillary? Or is it just women in general? Because this won't hurt Hillary. This will hurt women who otherwise won't be able get the help they need. So yea, fuck anyone who goes after PP or spreads their hatred on DU in a fashion that encourages other to not support PP in the futre. Just fuck that noise.
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ismnotwasm

(42,008 posts)
5. And I stand with them
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jan 2016

If they had chosen Sanders for this historic endorsement I would have been disappointed but I never would withdraw my support.

Is PP under that huge bus now?

Cha

(297,655 posts)
6. So many people have been helped by Planned Parenthood, BB.. I think they will be fine.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jan 2016

It is sad that there are those who wish them ill besides the gop who tried to defund them. But, President Obama put a stop to that.

Thank you so much for this awesome post.

oasis

(49,407 posts)
31. Exactly Cha. In today's political climate, PP could not risk having
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jan 2016

the White House fall into the hands of the GOP.

Cha

(297,655 posts)
44. Hillary's always been there for them.. they know they have a Fighter and a Winner.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jan 2016

She has an incredible history of fighting for women's rights!

oasis

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
40. I thought it was a terrible idea.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jan 2016

Why snub the other people who have been avid supporters of your cause. What worries me the most is how detrimental this endorsement will be to PP.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
58. Really.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jan 2016

And then all the posts here about how PP "couldn't take a chance." Huh????? Hillary is not guaranteed the nomination, no matter how much PP and DWS get behind her and push.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
134. Their divisive endorsement for purely political reasons will further divide the Party and hurt
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jan 2016

our chances in the General. The more and more dirty tricks pulled by the Clinton campaign will only further alienate Democrats. The fact that this was a quid pro quo move emphasizes the need we have for change in our corrupt big money run government.

MuseRider

(34,119 posts)
8. While I do not agree with their
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jan 2016

endorsement and would rather they had not, it was not my call.

Still. To punish women, and calling back donations and stopping them for PP, is just an outrageous way to show you do not agree.

Not all women agree with this and even if they do they should go without health care because this organization is supporting a woman who you don't a)agree with b) don't care for or c) whatever reason you may have?

I believe this is going way to far. To punish women, especially those of little means, is not the way to deal with this. You deal with this by dealing with it. It is an endorsement. When was the last time any of you have gone with a candidate because of an endorsement? Chances are very few of those who do not follow politics or elections like we do will give it a second thought.

I cannot believe people will throw all of us under the bus because of this. Is ideology so strong that you would be cruel just because of it?

Seriously, PP is the only way many many women have access to care.

EDIT to add, I bet Bernie Sanders and Jane Sanders donate to them and I cannot in any way imagine he or Jane would pull their support because of this.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
9. Thanks for that
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jan 2016

You make important points.

I also have to wonder what ideology would justify such a reaction.

MuseRider

(34,119 posts)
11. You are welcome.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jan 2016

It is a horrible thing to see. I just added an edit saying that I bet Bernie and Jane Sanders would not stop their donations because of this. THINK people before you react.

As biased as I am I would have been a little taken aback if they had endorsed Bernie. Not because I don't think he is every bit the supporter Hillary is but because there is a woman running. I don't support her but I understand why women do and I understand the need for women to move up in the country and support each other.

I don't know why this is so hard?

 

SoLeftIAmRight

(4,883 posts)
15. No No No - They should be punished for failing to endorse him
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jan 2016

If they must - they should have endorsed all Dems

Big blunder singling out Hillary

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
18. "They should be punished"
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jan 2016

Are you kidding me?

The people that will be punished are the people who need PP's services. People who have no say in who PP endorses. Most notibly poor women. But did you know that PP also has services for men? Some of the services include checkups for reproductive or sexual health problems; colon, prostate, and testicular cancer screenings; condoms; vasectomy; erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculation services, including education, exams, treatment; general health care and routine physical exams; infertility screening and STD testing and treatment; urinary tract infections testing and treatment. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/men#sthash.L2NhtGUM.dpuf

This isn't going to hurt Hillary, which is pretty much the main goal of those going after PP here on DU.

Threatening to stop supporting or donating is absolutely pathetic.

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
16. Cecile Richards
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:23 PM
Jan 2016

I always considered Cecile Richards to be highly intelligent, so I doubt that she made the decision to have PP endorse HRC this early without considering the possible financial backlash. I can only assume that the Clinton's reassured PP that they would make up for any financial loss. The bigger question in my mind though, is how desperate is the Clinton campaign that they feel the need for this endorsement at this time.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
72. I doubt average voters pay much attention to endorsements though
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

They are getting desperate that's for sure.
But I doubt they'll turn this around by getting endorsements from anyone.
Unless perhaps, that person is Liz Warren.

questionseverything

(9,659 posts)
103. you said
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

I can only assume that the Clinton's reassured PP that they would make up for any financial loss.

/////////////////////

is that not the definition of quid pro qua?

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
111. call it what you want
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jan 2016

but I highly doubt that Cecile Richards went into this without a Plan B to cover the financial backlash. Richards and Clinton are the consummate politicians, the pros and cons of this endorsement and the timing of it, I'm sure was deliberated behind the scenes for a good length of time. Which leads me to wonder - just how bleak are things in the Clinton campaign?

questionseverything

(9,659 posts)
113. pretty darn bleak
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jan 2016

i will always support pp but i now will question their leadership

i actually feel better about things now....afterall hc has all the money in the world so no need for peasants like me to worry about pp's funding

thanks

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
124. Right - all the donations that have been cancelled by us small donors
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:18 PM
Jan 2016

probably only equal 2 of Hillary's speaking fees.

Hekate

(90,793 posts)
17. I stand with Planned Parenthood. ALWAYS. What is happening at DU is shameful.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jan 2016

Quite possibly the organization I shouldn't be standing up for is DU.

eggplant

(3,913 posts)
19. There are other places to give money that are just as important for women.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jan 2016

Planned Parenthood is a very good organization, but injecting themselves into the primary is uncalled for and is a needless distraction from the issues.

I choose to give my money locally via http://www.fundabortionnow.org/

It means that I can feel good that my money is having an immediate, direct, and positive effect on women and families near to me. As valuable as PP may be for long term political lobbying, it doesn't help women in crisis *today*.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
24. Fund Abortion Now is not even the same type
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jan 2016

of organization as PP. I realize we all look alike to some but these organizations aren't comparable in the least. I doubt that anyone at FAN would be happy with being used as an excuse to harm PP.

eggplant

(3,913 posts)
90. I never said they were the same.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:29 PM
Jan 2016

Many people are unaware of the existence of NNAF. Many people are unhappy giving money to PP because of their endorsement of HRC.

My post was specifically intended to make people aware of alternate places to give to -- places that directly help women.

I fail to understand how educating people to additional worthy causes could be seen in some negative way.

Dale Neiburg

(698 posts)
66. What I'm most alarmed at
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jan 2016

is that so many progressives seem to have fallen for the RW propaganda that abortion (and of course the imaginary "selling baby parts&quot is all that PP does. Nothing against FAN, but they don't involve themselves in cancer screening or any of the rest of the 97% abortion-unrelated services that PP provides.

And notice that FAN only helps with funding. Not much good if you can't find a provider -- which they aren't.

(That said, FAN deserves support too.)

eggplant

(3,913 posts)
88. Yea, except they DO help you find a provider.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jan 2016

And help you to arrange travel there, even out of state.

And no, I haven't fallen for the RW propaganda. I have been a supporter of PP for decades.

If it is ok to criticize the President yet still call oneself a Democrat, then it should be ok to criticize PP and still support them.

Dale Neiburg

(698 posts)
110. That seems to vary with the chapter:
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jan 2016

As best I can tell, the Washington, DC chapter is as you say, and can help with contraception at least.

Maryland doesn't say whether they can help with referral, but will pay only providers located in Maryland.

Iowa implies that they provide abortion assistance only, don't say whether it must be in-state, but seem to require you to have located a provider before you contact them.

North Carolina emphasizes that you must not only know where you will have the procedure, but must actually make an appointment before contacting them.

But cancer screening, pre-natal care, and STDs don't seem to get help at all. Again -- not to knock FAN, but they don't begin to match PP.

(I wasn't aware of FAN until this thread began, and will definitely contribute for what they do provide.)

eggplant

(3,913 posts)
117. "not to knock FAN"
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:44 PM
Jan 2016

Then stop doing so. They are very clear of their mission. You could make the counter argument that PP doesn't provide the services that NNAF does. And, actually, that was the point of my original post -- to inform people of beneficial services they might not otherwise know about.

And to respond to your particulars, the groups in NY will help people travel from out-of-state specifically to give them access to late term abortion.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
25. I don't care who they endorse for office.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jan 2016

It shouldn't be that big of a deal, either (their choice of candidate). What it comes down to is who the people are going to vote for. Sanders is not an enemy to planned parenthood - far from it, most of us Sanders supporters ARE standing up for equal rights - and have, for quite some time, as has the candidate himself.

Why it's necessary that we bicker about this I don't know. Neither Sanders, nor his campaign, nor any of his supporters (that I am familiar with) are joining the gop war on women. Also, none of these groups or individuals are known to be opponents of equal rights. Never has this been so with Sanders, the implications of this OP are inaccurate. Is there a small number of Sanders supporters who might be opponents to Planned Parenthood and equal rights? Sure. There's likely a number of Clinton supporters who are the same. This does not, in any way, indicate blame or justified accusation against either of our candidates.

Progressives are not making a target of planned parenthood - that is not what progressives do. Some may argue with the endorsement of Clinton - but there is no movement among legitimate progressives or liberals (Sanders supporters or otherwise) to denounce, destroy, defund, or otherwise harm Planned Parenthood.

Not sure why I'm making this post, I guess I'm just tired of the back and forth. We're on the same side. Whether Clinton wins the nomination or Sanders wins the nomination - both of these candidates support planned parenthood and equal rights. Their supporters, in supporting them (and in, ultimately, voting for them) are also supporting these worthy causes.

I will vote for who ever wins the nomination among the democrats. I support Sanders - AND planned parenthood - AND equal rights for our own people and for the human race. I am not an enemy to Clinton, or any of the worthy causes she supports.

Why on earth should it be otherwise? Can't we just stick with the facts? Let's look at the voting records, at the policies, at their actions in the past. What have these two candidates done? Why should we vote for one over another? Both are supportive of many progressive and worthy causes. Either one would be immensely, stupendously, wonderfully, incredibly better than any one of these clowns on the right.

We should unite - at least in the fact that we're on the same side, that we have two worthy candidates, either one being worthy of our votes, that preventing a Trump (or Rubio, or Cruz, or/insert moron) Presidency is pretty damned important.

Our enemies are on the other side of the darn fence. Our ideological opponents would happily defund planned parenthood, work to undo years of work on the civil rights front, shut down progressive and liberal movements, eliminate funding for education, for infrastructure, for welfare, for food for the needy, for so many damned things. These are the people we should be worrying about, rather than pointing fingers at each other.

I don't see why I can't support all of these things at once and still be a Sanders supporter. I don't see why we can't all do these things, regardless of our preferred nominee.

We'll win or lose together. Frankly, I believe we're going to win. We are more on the side of progress, of right, of compassion for humanity.. than we have ever been before. This is a movement, an awakening, a gradual enlightening of Americans and of the people of the world that shows me... progress is being made - and will continue to be made. We can only be defeated, ultimately, if we defeat ourselves.

MrChuck

(279 posts)
27. The spin in this statement is dizzying.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jan 2016

Implying that the ire of progressives over this premature endorsement is based on "not endorsing Sanders" or however it's phrased in the above is simply ridiculous.
I would have thought it very strange for PP to endorse Sanders or O'Malley for that matter. I just certainly did not expect ANY endorsement at this time.
I think highly of all the democratic candidates although I have my favorite. I just think that an organization that stands to benefit from ANY democratic president is foolish to endorse a candidate in the primary. it is divisive and reeks of corruption.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
28. Too much drama IMHO. No organization is above criticism,
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:33 PM
Jan 2016

and I haven't seen any suggestion by Bernie supporters that PP should be dismantled. Same with Black Lives Matter. The importance of their cause does not mean that they should never be criticized. Personally, their endorsement of Clinton is not a big deal for me, but I can understand why some find it to be inappropriate for an organization of that sort. I am not losing sleep over the endorsement or the criticisms.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
33. a lot of childish assholes are encouraging donors to 'defund Planned Parenthood' over this.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jan 2016

There's a thread on the greatest page to that effect.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
43. especially since PP itself doesn't donate to Clinton or endorse her, it's their PAC that does.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jan 2016

donations to PP go to providing health services for women.

comradebillyboy

(10,175 posts)
85. Back in the days when I was a corporate employee
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jan 2016

my company's PAC donations came from individual employee contributions. When I was a union member my union's PAC contributions came from union dues, from the members. Individual employees in an organization are organization's PAC contributors. These are not unlimited super-PACs after all.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
29. I stand with PP.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:34 PM
Jan 2016

Last edited Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:46 PM - Edit history (1)

I care little about which candidate they endorse. I am voting for someone else but their endorsement of HRC doesn't change my opinion of PP. PP offers vital resources for those who choose to use their services, and that is a good thing.

mountain grammy

(26,648 posts)
30. Oh give me a break already...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

Like me, most Bernie supporters will continue to back PP and you know it! I'm very unhappy about this and think PP absolutely should've waited until we have a nominee, since all of our candidates support PP. PP probably won't get anyone to change their mind and it just gives Hillary supporters another thing to beat us over the head with.... Which is exactly what you're doing here... Enough already!

SunSeeker

(51,697 posts)
83. Why punish PP by depriving poor women of desperately needed healthcare?
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jan 2016

Do you really think some Sanders supporters are that heartless and petulant? Apparently PP did not.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
107. It was a calculated political decision.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jan 2016

They should have known better than to play politics with such a worthwhile organization. Too bad.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
122. Had that same thought.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:07 PM
Jan 2016

Does anyone think PP is sweating the decision with this overblown insane reaction?

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
37. I stand with PP
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jan 2016

No matter what. But I also stand with my opinion that any primary endorsement is a terrible idea.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
45. Let's stand by them
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jan 2016

Even though they were foolish to prematurely endorse a presidential candidate, thereby drawing unwanted attention to themselves at the wrong time, we should continue to support them and the work they do.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
46. If PP doesn't stand with all Democrats during the primaries, it cannot expect
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jan 2016

- or even demand - that all Democrats stand with them during the primaries. This was a big error of judghement on the part of PP. The chic way to correctthe error is to admit they were wrong, retract their endorsement of Clinton, and instead endorse all Democrats.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
69. If PP wants to play politics ...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jan 2016

... then they have to accept the consequences.

I don't blame some people for reconsidering their PP contributions -- that's is politics and real life.

Of course, Planned Parenthood can now expect the Repuglicans to add partisan political organization to their reasons to defund -- and that charge now has some credibility.

Stupid move by Planned Parenthood (or their Action Committee ... 80 percent of Americans will not know the difference anyway).

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
78. Endorse all Democrats in primaries?
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jan 2016

What does that even mean? That's not an endorsement at all. Anyone who isn't comatose know they support Democrats over Republicans. The Party Platforms are reason enough for that. In the primary contest, they chose to endorse the candidate who has proactively defended them from attacks by the right. Bernie has not done that, and the reaction by his supporters demonstrate that they do not see the communities or causes served by Planned Parenthood as a priority.

Black Lives Matter, most of the unions in the country, NARAL, the Human Rights Campaign, and Emily's List are now joined by Planned Parenthood among the list of organizations they have targeted. Who people target as enemies says a great deal about what they value. I don't even know what they think they are fighting for at this point, but they have marshalled their energies against those groups that serve the most exploited and most vulnerable among us.

Blue State Bandit

(2,122 posts)
48. "Failing to prioritize"? How about "Choosing to prioritize"?
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jan 2016

"I don't care much who anyone supports for the nomination, but when Planned Parenthood is targeted because they failed to prioritize the electoral prospects of a particular member of the political elite, an indelible line in the sand is drawn."

Since when did PP get involved in Democratic Primary endorsements? Why do you think PP never made primary endorsements in the past?

But your points that &quot We) share the right's enemies list" or "Joining the GOP War on Women" is nothing but blather and bluster; red meat in an attempt to drive the spike further, just like a republican.

It is disgusting that a few of Hillary's friends would jeopardize the storied 100 year reputation and solid grassroot financial support of Planned Parenthood by sticking their thumbs in half the democratic party's face.

I'm willing to put green money on local PP operations making their own endorsements in the coming weeks.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
73. "sticking their thumbs in half the democratic party's face"
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jan 2016

Yep. What did they think was going to happen? *Did* they think?

1. I would also have been angry and baffled if they had endorsed Bernie or Martin.

2. I will vote for, work for, and donate to the eventual nominee of the Democratic Party. Right now there isn't one, and no one is guaranteed it.

3. This is hopefully just a blip, but it is nevertheless not insignificant. Saying "oh well" to stuff like this without speaking up, for a while at least, can make one look like a patsy.

4. Of course I still support PP the service organization.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
49. I agree with you
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jan 2016

I stand with planned parenthood, but can not support them at this time due to their endorsement of Hillary. Similarly, I stopped supporting NARAL. That gives me a sad.

Next mid November I will make a donation to them.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
51. Whoever made this endorsement should be fired.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jan 2016

Planned Parenthood isn't getting enough flack from conservatives right now so they decide to try and split their support among democrats?

What a moronic move. Whoever is responsible should be fired. They have failed in the stewardship.

There should be an immediate investigation to find out how this decision was made. They are risking the health of women to play politics.

George II

(67,782 posts)
52. I seriously doubt that it was one person. And, if there is a "split among Democrats" (capital D!)..
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jan 2016

...its not the fault of Planned Parenthood, it's the fault of partisan supporters of the candidate who didn't get the endorsement.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
55. Yes, but you know it will never happen
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jan 2016

The 1% protect each other, until they start eating each other....and this was a 1% decision, all the way.

 

Proserpina

(2,352 posts)
71. Planned Parenthood treats the 99% as feedstock, a reason to exist
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

It's the psychic rewards of the leadership class that we are discussing here, the perks and privileges, cronyism and rewards.

It's much like the way people would complain about their union leadership. The unions existed for good and populist reasons, but the leadership got fat and lazy and disrespectful of the union members. And look where unions are today...barely surviving in the worst economy since 1929.


Ethics is not just window-dressing. It is the only thing that stands between a populist organization and the wolves. Endorsing anyone is unethical, prima facie, for Planned Parenthood.

Corporations can dispense with ethics because they do not need popular support...or so they think. Corporations think they have bought the political system, lock, stock and barrel, Legislative, Executive, and Judicial.

The Corporations and the Banks are due for some shocking revelations. They've already gotten a taste of that in the past few years of crisis. Meanwhile, Hillary corrupts the non-profits...

emulatorloo

(44,182 posts)
77. "Planned Parenthood treats the 99% as Feedstock"
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:46 PM
Jan 2016

What a horrible and misguided statement. I can only conclude that you don't know a damn thing about the work of Planned Parenthood. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but not your own set 'facts.'

HeartoftheMidwest

(309 posts)
96. I began digging to see if there might be a "1%" reason behind the endorsement, which IS a bit...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jan 2016

premature.

I love and admire Cecile Richards, having heard her speak eloquently to the issues now for several years.
I did NOT know that her most recently reported annual salary ( 2013-2014 ) was approximately $ 591,000.
I don't doubt that she works hard for it, but it seems a bit excessive to me.

Is it possible that PP PAC backs the candidate that protects the financial interests of the ADMINISTRATORS of PP?
Seems a legitimate question.

oasis

(49,407 posts)
68. "split their support among democrats"?
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jan 2016

Capital D, "real" Democrats will continue to support Planned Parenthood.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
54. Since there is a
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jan 2016

….broad base of support for PP, they made a serious political error in endorsing one candidate over another so early in the election cycle.

Should have waited until after the primaries and then endorsed whatever Democratic candidate prevailed.

They are the ones who politicized their organization and I'm mad as hell at them. They should not take sides for one Democrat against another.

Their first mission is medical not political, and this endorsement arouses distrust and risks polarization. Stupid.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
65. In the time before ObamaCare, Planned Parenthood was there for my daughter in her difficult time.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jan 2016

I stand with them 110%.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
67. This is like beyond stupid to attack an endorser. I have not seen anything like it. Dems, all
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jan 2016

our candidates. (Since I like being accurate, I cannot really say that, this primary. We do not have all Dems, but generally it is an all Dem race). Who cares if one dem prefers another.

I have to ask, why is it so easy to go after our women and women groups. To trash so easily with no hesitation?

Misogyny, pure and simple. All I can figure is that those of us that were speaking out about the exclusion of women at the beginning of this campaign, are just continually proved right.

That PP knew what they were doing supporting Clinton.

The confirmation that has been repeatedly given to us.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
70. Absolutely!
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jan 2016

Nothing else beyond this needs to be said. There is nothing progressive about direction the Sanders campaign has taken and waiting for the candidate to give other than a nod to this by his silence speakes volumes.

When "progressives" target an organization that has worked for the reproductive rights of women for many decades, their priorities are made clear. It's not enough to openly court the votes of anti-choice advocates, but now they they share the right's enemies list: First Black Lives Matter, then one union after another, Emily's List, and now Planned Parenthood. Why people claim to justify that opposition matters far less than the fact they are actively working to undermine them.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
76. Well written BB
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jan 2016

RWer's attack on PP is deplorable, and now so called progressives are carrying RW's water as well. We do live in strange times.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
80. It's unfathomable
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jan 2016

I can't help wondering what else we'll see before this campaign is over. It just keeps getting worse and worse.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
81. I suspect that many of the people who are insisting
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:04 PM
Jan 2016

that they won't give one more dime to PP have never given them a dime in the first place.

PP will be OK. That said, it's a good cause, and it is good of you to provide the link to their website for donations and I encourage people to click that link and give them a contribution.

They provide so much screening service to underserved communities and people who are facing economic hardship, and they've saved countless lives. To withhold a donation over an endorsement of a DEMOCRATIC candidate is frankly, absurd.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
84. This subject is very important to me...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jan 2016

it goes beyond political candidates.

Your anger is being directed at the wrong people. I will not say that people don't have a right to be angry, that's not my place. What I will say is they're actions are hurting/will hurt vulnerable women. Those people that they supposedly care about.

My niece became pregnant and tried to abort on her own--you can see this thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024558500

As stated in the thread she's bi-bolar. She got pregnant again. This time she went to planned parenthood, early, and terminated safely. She's on medication for her bi-bolar (family doc) and birth control (pp).

When my daughter was in college my husband lost his job and health care. She went to pp for her routine care and birth control.

I have many other stories where PP has affected people I know and without them I don't know what they would have done. Mostly for family planning and routine care.

It really bothers me to see people basically say fuck them we need to punish pp.

Planned Parenthood isn't Bank of America or GE. They serve poor women. This isn't just a women's issue. It's an economical issue.

Poor people, women and poc are all under attack from the right. We should have to fight in our own house.

For the record, I don't appreciate being told to shut up or get with the program either. Last I looked I was on a democratic site and we don't do that shit.



raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
91. Planned Parenthood just inserted themselves into Democratic party politics
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jan 2016

Is Bernie's candidacy is more important than Planned Parenthood??? Apparently the decision makers down at Planned Parenthood believed that Hillary's candidacy was so much more important than Bernie's they were willing to step out on a limb and it's a mighty thin branch. If I were an PP employee I'd be questioning the wisdom of that decision.

It makes no sense for the organization to choose a democrat before the general election. Why risk alienating Sanders supporters who have also been supporters of Planned Parenthood? Especially at a time when they're under attack. This smacks of political cronyism. Given all of the bull shit coming out of the DNC I can see why Sanders supporters are fed up with the corrupt establishment...

Cary

(11,746 posts)
92. Thanks. The "I am taking my bat and ball and going home because I didn't get my way" is telling.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jan 2016

I am going to double my PP donation. No, triple it if I can. I ought to cancel our a mope or two.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
94. Again, this is not a zero sum game.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jan 2016

PP fucked up with this endorsement and they will have to suffer the political fallout from entering into a divisive primary and an extremely polarized election cycle.
By not keeping their politics squarely on maintaining their Federal funding and support they effectively given up their high ground.
Instead they have turned themselves into a football to be batted around by both parties and their candidates.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
98. It certainly provided an opportunity
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jan 2016

For the campaigns and some of their supporters to demonstrate their values. I am more confident than ever that I am supporting the right candidate. Never in a million years would I want to be part of a an effort to use the lives of the nation's most vulnerable citizens as revenge for,political endorsement. Clearly it is a zero sum game. It's Sanders political fortunes above all else. Encouraging people to stop funding PP and instead send money to the Sanders campaign is awful. 50 million dollars plus isn't enough; they advocate redirecting resources from poor women to promote his career. I cannot begin to understand what enables people to justify such a thing, but I thank God I will never be faced with having to cast a vote for him.

Sanders political fortunes are not a cause, and when people target services for the vulnerable they show their values to be antithetical to the Democratic party, liberalism, leftism, or anything of any redeeming social value. When people defend Trump and attack Planned Parenthood, they forsake any pretext of standing for economic or social justice.










blackspade

(10,056 posts)
100. This is only about values to those that have a myopic view of politics.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:33 PM
Jan 2016

The backlash here is not about 'values' but rather the political idiocy of alienating, for no good reason, Democrats that support other candidates as well as those of other political persuasions that have been supporters of PP in the past.
Why would anyone not in the Clinton camp want to donate money to an organization that will then turn around and give the money to Clinton rather than use it to further it's political support at the local, state, and Federal level?
It's a poor political strategy at a time when PP is under siege by some of the most anti-women demagogues in my lifetime.

That you are blind to this political reality is not surprising.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
99. Lashing
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jan 2016

out against Planned Parenthood says more about the posters doing it than about PP itself. Supposed Democrats/progressives who come out against PP for this one endorsement seem to have adopted a fundamentalist view, where essentially anyone who doesn't fully adhere to their political perspective is either the enemy or unable to think for themselves. Planned Parenthood, BLM, various left-leaning politicians and celebrity figures, etc. have been targets despite them sharing goals of the Democratic Party and the Political Left. As a 25 year old Democrat, this 2016 campaign season has been revealing.

MineralMan

(146,329 posts)
101. I make up my own mind about political candidates.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jan 2016

That an organization endorses a candidate has zero impact on my support. Planned Parenthood has been standing for reproductive rights for women in it's current form for over 50 years. As a man, I have not used the organizations services, although they do provide services for men. However, many of the women, young and old, I've been close to have used their services for a wide range of reproductive health services.

I have supported PP since the mid 1960s, financially, and by serving as an escort during protests. I will continue to do so, regardless of their support or non-support of political candidates. I support PP because of what they do for women, and for no other reason.

An endorsement from any organization is simply a matter of who that organization things will do the best job in support of the organization's goals. It's often a complicated decision, and is not simply based on whether that organization likes a candidate or any other factor. Organizations endorse candidates because they believe those candidates will support their goals. That's it.

If I withdrew my support from PP because they had endorsed a candidate I personally did not support, I would be going against my own personal ethics. I support organizations for the work they do, and for that reason alone. My support is not dependent on who they endorse for election in any way.

I support PP's goals. I will continue to support the organization as much as I am able. That will not change.

Those who threaten to withhold support from this organization over their endorsement of Hillary Clinton are either shortsighted or not really supporters of the organization's goals.

RandySF

(59,224 posts)
102. When the nomination process has sorted out
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:40 PM
Jan 2016

we will see a melting away of a lot of people who popped into the party to support a specific candidate. They will shrink back into their bubble and Reddit boards and true Democrats and other progressives who supported all three candidates will stand behind Planned Parenthood and its mission.

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
104. Sanders Statement on Planned Parenthood
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jan 2016

Sanders Statement on Planned Parenthood
Wednesday, July 29, 2015
As Senate Republicans pushed for a vote on legislation to defund Planned Parenthood, Sen. Bernie Sanders issued the following statement:

“The attempt by Senate Republicans to cut off support for Planned Parenthood is an attack on women’s health. Stripping funding for Planned Parenthood would punish the 2.7 million Americans, especially low-income women, who rely on its clinics for affordable, quality health care services including cancer prevention, STI and HIV testing and general primary health care services.

“The current attempt to discredit Planned Parenthood is part of a long-term smear campaign by people who want to deny women in this country the right to control their own bodies.

“Let’s be clear: Federal funding for Planned Parenthood does not pay for abortions. The vast majority of government funding that Planned Parenthood receives is through Medicaid reimbursements. Cutting that funding will be devastating to the health needs of millions of women who desperately need the quality services Planned Parenthood provides."

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/sanders-statement-on-planned-parenthood

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
105. Bernie Sanders: I 'will defend' Planned Parenthood, there's no selling of fetuses
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jan 2016
In an interview set to air on Univision on Sunday, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders said he absolutely stands by Planned Parenthood and thinks there should be no doubt he can defeat Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton in the primary season.

When asked by host Jorge Ramos about the undercover videos showing biomedical clinics offering to compensate Planned Parenthood for aborted fetal organs, Sanders admitted he had not watched the videos. But he still supports the abortion giant and its clinics across the country.

"They're not selling fetuses," Sanders said. "And this is something, I think the tone of that discussion was unfortunate. But if the question is, do I support Planned Parenthood? I absolutely do. ... I will defend Planned Parenthood. I think a lot of this attack, to be honest with you, comes from people who simply do not believe that a woman should have a right to control her own body. That's the motive."

Sanders, a socialist who decided to run under the Democratic Party's banner for 2016, also said he's open to legalizing marijuana and would consider eliminating visa categories for immigrants but not entirely opening the nation's borders.


Snip

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bernie-sanders-i-will-defend-planned-parenthood-theres-no-selling-of-fetuses/article/2569399

LiberalArkie

(15,728 posts)
106. Bernie Sanders: GOP Efforts To Defund Planned Parenthood 'An Attack On Women's Health'
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jan 2016
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) blasted Senate Republicans Wednesday for working to defund Planned Parenthood, calling it "an attack on women's health."

“The current attempt to discredit Planned Parenthood is part of a long-term smear campaign by people who want to deny women in this country the right to control their own bodies," Sanders said in a statement.

Republicans unveiled legislation to defund Planned Parenthood on Tuesday, and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) fast-tracked the legislation the same day. If the Senate votes on a procedural motion to advance the bill, it could get a final vote before lawmakers leave for August recess.

The move was prompted by heavily edited undercover footage posted earlier this month by the anti-abortion group Center for Medical Progress, which purports to show Planned Parenthood doctors discussing the illegal sale of fetal body parts after abortions.




Snip

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-planned-parenthood_55b8f386e4b0074ba5a6fe60

SunSeeker

(51,697 posts)
123. And yet some of his supporters are promising to do just that.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:09 PM
Jan 2016

In their petulant snit over the PP PAC endorsing Hillary, they are vowing to stop funding PP.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
135. I will continue my support and my volunteering there but I will fight to get those in their
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jan 2016

leadership replaced. This was a purely political quid pro quo move that will divide the party further and it puts women's health care at risk.

oasis

(49,407 posts)
137. Thanks for volunteering at PP. I don't see how the Democratic
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:30 PM
Jan 2016

Party will disturbed much from all of this. Some Bernie supporters are understandably disappointed but they will get over it in time.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
144. This is corruption. I think you underestimate how much people are fed up with this type of
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 01:09 AM
Jan 2016

corruption brought to us by the wealthy 1%. HRC is worth about $50,000,000 and has friends with billions. They think they can buy PP endorsement. They think they can buy the White House.

oasis

(49,407 posts)
145. Not enough people see things the way you do in order for any change to occur.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 01:34 AM
Jan 2016

That is, any change on a large scale. I believe, however, that an overwhelming number of Americans believe, as you do, that we operate under a rigged system which favors the rich and powerful. I'm glad Bernie brought much of this to the forefront because it is past time that America performs a critical examination of what's going on.

That said, it's important that we Democrats keep working toward improving conditions for all Americans and adapt an optimistic outlook for the future.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
116. I am shocked and dismayed that so many so called progressives....
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jan 2016

....Are happy to punch in the face, to hurt and even further demoralize poor women because they don't like who the executives of the clinic endorse. It makes me sick.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
125. The GOP is doing everything in their power to defund PP.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:30 PM
Jan 2016

I would have continues support of PP even if they had endorsed another DNC primary candidate, my first commitment to PP is the services they provide.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
126. PP's endorsement of Hillary Clinton will not change my support for them, for what it's worth.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jan 2016

I have no problem with it.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
127. My friends and I have always supported Planned Parenthood and I dislike Bernie Sanders as...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:44 PM
Jan 2016

a candidate for POTUS. However, if PP had endorsed Bernie I would certainly continue to support them. I believe it shows exactly what kind of people support Bernie when you read the sickening Facebook comments flooding the internet.

I hope most actual Democrats who support Bernie, aren't so bitter that they would turn their back on an organization that has cared for women and families for so long. Hopefully, they are just having a difficult time adjusting to reality and they will reconsider what it means to be a Democrat.

The wonderful thing about Hillary Clinton being our next POTUS is that Planned Parenthood will be a part of her promise to focus on women's health and support of families.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
129. A courageous stance. Glad that they are not only not backing down, but that they have clearly named
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jan 2016

the source of the problem here.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
130. hell yes to this!
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jan 2016

Yet some insist what really matters is not the work PP does but Bernie's career. They should be punished for failing to endorse him. For that vocal minority of Sanders supporters, his political prospects trump the reproductive rights of the women of America, particularly those in rural and poor areas with no other options.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
138. Joining an incredibly long and impressive list of liberal organizations, causes and individuals
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jan 2016

that have condemned the crap behavior of too many supporters of one particular candidate.

aikoaiko

(34,183 posts)
131. I support PP's mission but I don't support their decision to endorse at this point, nor their choice
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jan 2016

They can do better.

Is it true that they have not endorsed one Democratic candidate over another before in its long history?

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
136. Nobody here is standing against Planned Parenthood
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jan 2016

I think they made mistakes in endorsing Clinton. Everybody makes mistakes. Pointing out mistakes does not mean it's an attack or an attempt to undermine.

For instance, Planned Parenthood could very much criticize Hillary at some point if she takes a stand they disagree with, and still remain committed to her candidacy. Criticism does not equal attack, and the blurring of the two is a dishonest distortion and an attempt to silence discussion.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
139. "Nobody here is standing against Planned Parenthood".
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jan 2016

Actually several here are doing exactly that. The threats to withhold donations and calls for people to be fired over this endorsement are plentiful right here on DU.

Calling that out is hardly dishonest or an attempt to "silence" discussion.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
140. Perhaps you should read some of the responses in this thread.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 11:22 PM
Jan 2016

Calling for an organization to be defunded most certainly is standing against them.

Bernblu

(441 posts)
146. PP made a serious mistake by taking side in a Democratic Campaign where they have the support of
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 02:57 AM
Jan 2016

each candidate. What they did was partisan and there was no reason to take this action except for the personal connections of their board members to Hillary. This will weaken their standing among many Sanders' voters. This is just the way it is in politics. If you are a partisan organization you will not get the same level of support from the other side no matter how much good work you do. They did not have to do this. They could have waited until after the Primary.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
152. Big K&R. I'll add to your excellent OP...
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jan 2016

....my observation that there is an implicit notion in the "How dare Planned Parenthood endorse Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination!" outrage that an organization run by and for the benefit of women (and their families, for that matter), that advocates for women's rights and issues, would somehow have some nefarious reason for endorsing - shock, gasp, the horror! - a woman for the nomination of the Democratic Party for POTUS. It's almost as if they want a woman to be President....and they didn't even ask anyone permission to do that! How dare they assert their autonomy as women!

Furthermore, I'll note that some on this very thread are calling this move by PP (more precisely, their PAC) "divisive". Now where have we heard that language before? Oh right: issues of special concern to women (and minorities, for that matter) are considered "divisive" by the dominant culture - and not merely among right-wingers, by any means. Yet this is the same crowd that wants to nominate a self-described Socialist for the nomination (not saying that Socialism is necessarily bad, but in this country? That's not divisive? OK, whatever...) And not just that, but one who outright refuses to identify as a Democrat, who wanted to PRIMARY America's first black President, a Democrat who is beloved by his party and especially African-Americans....again, that's not divisive?

And don't you dare try to tell me that your reaction would be the same if PP's PAC had endorsed Sanders for the nomination. I think we all know what the reality would be in that scenario.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
153. Ya know. !!!
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 01:58 PM
Jan 2016
....my observation that there is an implicit notion in the "How dare Planned Parenthood endorse Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination!" outrage that an organization run by and for the benefit of women (and their families, for that matter), that advocates for women's rights and issues, would somehow have some nefarious reason for endorsing - shock, gasp, the horror! - a woman for the nomination of the Democratic Party for POTUS. It's almost as if they want a woman to be President....and they didn't even ask anyone permission to do that! How dare they assert their autonomy as women!


I hear you young dude. I am having a lot in processing this attack on women, you know, the war on women, within the Democratic party. I do not believe there has ever been a time in my history with the Democratic party, that I have witnessed such an attack on women, in the Democratic party. Bet it is kinda like what the black community felt with the attack on BLM.]]

Excellent point. I have not even addressed this part yet. But, yes, true.

Now, I will continue to read. I love listening to our young men that actually get it. Many say they do, but it does not prove out in conversation, or behavior like dissing PP cause their democratic? candidate did not get an endorsement.
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
154. Thanks for this post. You made me think.
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jan 2016
Furthermore, I'll note that some on this very thread are calling this move by PP (more precisely, their PAC) "divisive". Now where have we heard that language before? Oh right: issues of special concern to women (and minorities, for that matter) are considered "divisive" by the dominant culture - and not merely among right-wingers, by any means. Yet this is the same crowd that wants to nominate a self-described Socialist for the nomination (not saying that Socialism is necessarily bad, but in this country? That's not divisive? OK, whatever...) And not just that, but one who outright refuses to identify as a Democrat, who wanted to PRIMARY America's first black President, a Democrat who is beloved by his party and especially African-Americans....again, that's not divisive?


We have heard from Sanders since day one, that social justice issues are wedge issues and that they are used to divide the nation.

This is the area of the conversation I am sitting with. yes.

Plus, really, the ease in trashing the org to such an extent. I feel it is because it is a woman's org, and we so readily trash the women. Look at what is done to DWS, even though Dean admitted it was his policy at 6 debates.

And the bathroom break of our lead candidate.

Oh, and attacking Hillary Clinton for Bill Clinton's behavior. That conversation is getting me right now. We watch men with history being ignored. Their behaviors and choices. Yet, Hillary is attacked for Bills behavior, like it is her responsibility his choices. Even Bill is left alone. It is directed at Clinton.

That one is not going to fly. I am hearing more and more about this as a weapon against the woman that has made good choices in life and been the responsibility party of them all.

Patriarchal culture.

BainsBane

(53,066 posts)
155. This is the chart they created showing why they endorsed Clinton
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jan 2016

Unfortunately it doesn't copy as a chart so it's easiest to go to the page. http://plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/blog/how-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-compare-womens-health/

Chart: Hillary Clinton v. Bernie Sanders on Reproductive Health and Rights


Hillary Clinton Bernie Sanders
REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH
Clinton introduced eight pieces of legislation with the clear purpose of expanding and protecting women’s access to reproductive health care. Sanders has consistently co-sponsored and voted for pro-women’s health legislation.
Clinton consistently co-sponsored and voted for pro-women’s health legislation.
GENDER PAY GAP
Clinton introduced the Paycheck Fairness Act in 2005, 2007, and 2009 to address the gender pay gap. Sanders has co-sponsored and consistently voted for legislation aimed at addressing the gender pay gap.
Clinton consistently co-sponsored and voted for legislation aimed at addressing the gender pay gap.
BIRTH CONTROL
Clinton waged a multiyear effort​ — and even blocked the nomination of an FDA head with Sen. Patty Murray — to pass a breakthrough in birth control access: the law that made emergency contraception available over the counter. Sanders has consistently co-sponsored and voted for legislation that expands access to birth control, family planning, and sex education.
Clinton helped launch the National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, which supports access to birth control, family planning, and sex education.
Clinton helped beat back a proposal to define birth control (including IUDs) as abortion, saving federal funds for certain medical providers.
Clinton has consistently co-sponsored and voted for legislation that expands access to birth control, family planning, and sex education.
PLANNED PARENTHOOD
Clinton boldly spoke out in support of Planned Parenthood — without prompting — at each of the first three Democratic debates, as well as dozens of times on the campaign trail. Sanders did not mention Planned Parenthood during the first three Democratic debates, but has made supportive statements several times on the campaign trail.
INTERNATIONAL REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH ACCESS
As senator, Clinton introduced the legislation to restore funding to the UN Population Fund. President Bush suspended funding for it, but as secretary of state Clinton helped lead the U.S. in overturning the Bush administration's policy. Sanders voted for the legislation to restore funding to the UN Population Fund, which helps provide family planning, HIV, and maternal health care to millions of low-income people in developing countries around the world.
In an unprecedented move as secretary of state, Clinton launched the federal Office of Global Women's Issues, which aims to integrate women as central partners in decisions about foreign policy.
Clinton started myriad global programs that help women and girls survive extreme hardship in rural areas, as well as enter fields such as business and public service.


Bottom Line: Sanders and Clinton are Both Good on Reproductive Health — But Clinton Pushes Harder

When you see their records side by side, there’s no question why the Planned Parenthood Action Fund endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. She has simply demonstrated the strongest record, clearest leadership, and most focused commitment to women’s health of any presidential candidate.

For anyone who supports Senator Sanders, know we are grateful for his strong record on reproductive rights. This endorsement doesn’t mean we’ll do anything negative about Sanders’ campaign. Instead it means that for the first time in history, we have the chance to help elect someone who’s been fighting to expand reproductive health and rights for decades to the White House, just when we need that kind of champion the most.

- See more at: http://plannedparenthoodaction.org/elections-politics/blog/how-do-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-compare-womens-health/#sthash.ikQ21rmW.qjkLCQfr.dpuf
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