What Hillary Supporters Know but Are Having Difficulty Accepting...

[berni_mccoy]

And unable to admit:

That Bernie Sanders *can* win the nomination and that if he does, he has a far better chance at beating whatever GOP candidate is nominated than Clinton does.

The momentum is in Bernie's favor and based on the DFA call this evening, there is a clear plan in place for Bernie to take Iowa and New Hampshire. Staunch Hillary supporters are starting to break for Bernie.

With over 2.5 million individual contributes from well over 1 million people, the revolution is well on it's way to sweeping the nation.

[leftofcool]

1. 30% is momentum?

Okay.

[brush]

2. Get real. Any dem that runs will beat whoever emerges from the clown car

[Deny and Shred]

4. So you can be counted on to

speak out agianst the 'Bernie can't win the GE' meme because any dem will win?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251982148

[brush]

10. Cut the BS.

I plan on voting for Sanders but will gladly vote for Clinton if she wins the primary.

I'm going to do what any non-selfish, non ideologue, dem voter should to make sure a repug doesn't appoint the next SCOTUS justices.

[Deny and Shred]

11. Glad to hear it

No BS, just repeating what I hear. There are many a DUer who claim to support Clinton solely because 'Bernie, a socialist, won't win a GE'. At least, that's why they claim to suppoert her.

I expect to do the same for the same SCOTUS reason, though I will need a huge clothespin .

[Fawke Em]

21. No. Hillary is on course to lose Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and Colorado.

Awfully hard to win without those states.

[brush]

24. We're talking about the general not the primaries

So where are you getting that data since she, if she wins the nomination, doesn't have an opponent yet?

[andrewv1]

37. No, I think you are Dreaming....

Voters have Clintion Fatigue just like they have with the Bush Crime Family.

Secondly, she now has a 59% unfavorable rating.

Third, she carries baggage from an email investigation to creating ISIS to her Clinton Foundation scams to God Knows what else?

And that's why She will not be elected & by default, if Sanders is not the nominee we're going to get someone from the clown car as President.

Please HRC Supporters,
Wake Up!

[brush]

50. You're not fooling anyone with that crappola

You of the 33 posts.

Enjoy your stay.

And btw, how much do you get for these posts?

[andrewv1]

61. So, you have to have a certain number of posts on DU

before you are qualified?

How about voting Democratic for over 40 years?

I'll tell you one thing though, I am going to break that string & not vote if Hillary is the nominee.


But I digress....Tell me one thing I just mentioned from previous post that is not true?

[brush]

62. This site to help get dem nominees elected

You've stated that if your candidate doesn't get the nomination you will not vote.

I feel just the opposite. I will vote for Sanders in the primary but will vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination because I prefer not take a selfish ideological, stance and vote Democratic to assure that a repug is not the one to make the upcoming SCOTUS appointments.

And in you previous post, I don't think it is true that any of the clown car candidates will beat either Sanders or Clinton.

[andrewv1]

66. First of all, Sanders is the only one who can win in the GE

And secondly, I won't vote for Hillary even though I have not missed pulling the lever for a Democrat for President in over 40 Years.

Why?
She is not really a Democrat but a former Rethug masquerading as one with Special Interests money behind her.

In fact, she is a Cancer on the Democratic Party & along with Wasserman Schultz, the Democratic Party will continue to lose seats & ultimately the Presidency.

[brush]

68. I disagree. The repug party is no longer able to win the presidency

America's demographics, browning as we speak, has changed and the repugs haven't changed their racist message.

We outnumber them and that advantage will only get bigger. Already more than half of all children born are POCs so the dem majority will swell even more as they turn 18.

[andrewv1]

75. Not if you put Hillary as your Nominee....

She's not a Democrat & a potential voter sees that

[brush]

81. Technically Bernie is not dem, but either of them will beat the repug.

[JonLeibowitz]

83. Technically, he is.

[brush]

84. He's a socialist , an independent whose was allowed to run in the dem primaries

Why don't you know this?

[andrewv1]

86. No, the question should be which one represents the principles that are aligned with Democrats?

And not being a Republican Lite who "changes like the wind" because of the current poll coming out in the last hour

[JonLeibowitz]

87. It's "democratic socialist", and he is a member of the democratic party since he registered as such

It is you who doesn't know much apparently -- like Vermont's peculiar voter registration policies.

[brush]

88. Ok, he recently registered as a Democrat but he's long been known as a "self-described" socialist.

That's no secret, and btw, I'm not one who considers socialism a bad thing as we already have some beneficial socialistic elements in our society, i.e. Social Security, Medicare and others that work well for the public.

And didn't Bernie find it necessary just recently to explain his socialist, okay — democratic socialist positions to the electorate so they wouldn't be afraid of the word socialist?

[99Forever]

89. No sir, you are just plain WRONG.

Senator Sanders up until he decided to do the Democratic Party the favour of running as a Democrat and not as a 3rd party Democratic Socialist (which is what he ACTUALLY "self described" as) thereby not making a Republican victory almost a sure thing.

You would be well advised to get better informed before running off at the mouth about things you clearly don't know squat about.

[brush]

91. You're the one that apparently doesn't know squat

Bernie Sanders has long been known as a socialist. That's no secret. Before he started his run for the presidency he was known as a socialist. The description democratic socialist came about somewhat recently, and it's pretty obvious why the change — adding the word "democratic" softens it with it's close verbal association with the Democratic party and adding that word takes the onus off just the word "socialism" which many people associate with communism/Marxism and can't get past.

Look it up. You can find that on any number of profiles on line.

And like I said, I find nothing wrong with it, as you seem to. And btw, I will be voting for Sanders. and don't see the point of denying history.

Here's the head of an OP current right here on DU: "Bernie Sanders Is a Loud, Stubborn Socialist."

[JonLeibowitz]

93. Like this Guardian paper from the 2006 Senatorial election?

"Twenty years ago when people here thought about socialism they were thinking about the Soviet Union, about Albania," Mr Sanders told the Guardian in a telephone interview from the campaign trail. "Now they think about Scandinavia. In Vermont people understand I'm talking about democratic socialism."

Democratic socialism, however, has hardly proved to be a vote-winning formula in a country where even the word "liberal" is generally treated as an insult. Until now the best showing in a Senate race by a socialist of any stripe was in 1930 by Emil Seidel, who won 6% of the vote.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/nov/02/midterms2006.usa

[99Forever]

94. There is none so blind as he that simply refuses to see.

And with that, I welcome you to Ignore with a whole bunch of equally misinformed know-it-alls.

Bu bye.

[Ed Suspicious]

76. Projection!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

96. No, I think you're dreaming.

I've been here since 2001. Does that work any better for you?


Voters have Clintion Fatigue just like they have with the Bush Crime Family.

Secondly, she now has a 59% unfavorable rating.

Third, she carries baggage from an email investigation to creating ISIS to her Clinton Foundation scams to God Knows what else?

And that's why She will not be elected & by default, if Sanders is not the nominee we're going to get someone from the clown car as President.

Please HRC Supporters,
Wake Up!

[brush]

97. I'm not dreaming at all that wingers pay people to troll here to suppress votes . . .

so yeah, I am leary of low posters who come on this site trashings dems, a site whose purpose is to help elect dems.

And I don't buy at all that Hillary can't beat anyone that emerges from the clown car, as can Bernie Sanders, who I will be voting for in the primary.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

99. Obviously all of this talk comes from recent polling showing Sanders would do better than Clinton.

You should acknowledge that and move on, in my opinion. I certainly HOPE Clinton can beat Trump if she wins the nomination, but I know the odds are better if Sanders wins the nomination. That's a valid opinion, and it's the reason you're seeing these discussions.

[brush]

101. I stated that I will be voting for Sanders in the primary

But Hillary would beat any of the repug candidates too.

[CorporatistNation]

59. Not True! There is Vast extreme Animosity Among Voters Regarding The Clintonss

and what they are "perceived" by a significant cohort of the voting population among all parties to represent... No crossover whatsoever. She loses Democrats who will either stay home, leave blank or vote against her for the OBVIOUS collaboration between Corporate MSM and her campaign DWS, NO Debates etc. to subvert her primary opposition... which is being blackballed!

[brush]

63. I think you're wrong

Most good dems will vote for the nominee to insure that a repug does not make the upcoming SCOTUS appointments.

You might think about that yourself.

[Doctor_J]

64. Good. Then we don't have to vote for the DINO

[reformist2]

95. That's the attitude that got us 8 years of Dubya. We need to nominate a strong candidate.

[brush]

98. We have two

Either can beat the whoever emerges from the repug party.

[earthside]

3. And what they just can't accept ...

... is that Democrats are ready for real change, too.

We are tired of low wages, no or low benefits, the rich getting richer, long time boring, self-serving politicians, etc.

Bernie speaks directly to those concerns -- Hillary doesn't and can't.

Hillary supporters cannot accept that being a woman is not enough, even for Democrats.
Furthermore, Democrats are not conditioned to the "it's her/his turn" concept like Repuglicans are.

Yes, Sanders can (and will) beat Trump.
Yes, Democrats want excitement and change -- Sanders is that candidate.

I'm feeling the shifting ground, too.

[madokie]

6. We're feeling it here in Oklahoma

Literally. 20 plus earth quakes today along.

[winter is coming]

8. +1. When Hillary's name comes up, I hear a lot of people talk about nose-holding.

When Bernie's name comes up, a lot of them say he's the best politician they've seen a long time. Some say in their lifetime.

[Samantha]

47. Bernie's message is that he will tell the top 1 percent they can't have it all

Bill and Hillary Clinton are in the top one-tenth of the one percent. What rationale person thinks Hillary Clinton will make radical changes that positively addresses income inequality but adversely impacts the top one percent?

In other words, Hillary Clinton represents that which Bernie Sanders seeks to reform. Ironic, isn't it?

Sam

[madokie]

5. I'm loving listening to some of them

pissing and moaning that he just keeps on the same message. Sorry but that message is a winning message and will take us to the white house.

[PatrickforO]

51. You're darned right it is!

He's the best Democratic candidate we've had in my lifetime. I think he can win in my state for sure, both against Clinton and in the GE.

[oasis]

7. Excuse me while I "break for Bernie".

[uponit7771]

9. Unnnnnn, Starting to see Clinton as not as left but way more rounded a leader as Sanders...

... the unwillingness to answer what he'll do with the historically gerrymandered GPO congress is making me think there's no answer and he'll face the same wall he has chided Obama for not getting over and compromising with.

He'll compromise just like Obama did and then the revolution is over seeing he'll fail the purity test he's held others to.

Unicorns would be great if there was an organization being lead to get a unicorn voting congress, this was done by no one... including Sanders.

Hillary isn't promising unicorns, something practical and progress... maybe not as much progress but something practical

If he's the candidate I'll vote for him no doubt.

[tazkcmo]

13. Unicorns

Like a 40 hour work week? Unlocked fire exits? Paid breaks? Safe working conditions? SS? Medicare? These were all unicorns once. I like unicorns.

[Art_from_Ark]

17. “Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly.”

---Robert Francis Kennedy, a believer in unicorns

[tazkcmo]

20. It's amazing.

So often I read Camp Weathervane deriding people for having the audacity to try to make big changes. Can you hear them in response to JFK's moon challenge? "Oh, unicorns. Maybe a satellite, MAYBE. But the moon? Be real."

[Art_from_Ark]

23. I can just envision their version of JFK's speech

"We choose to launch a satellite in this decade-- or maybe next decade, or the decade after that-- and perhaps do some other things, not because they are easy, but because they aren't unicorns; because that goal will serve to pad our portfolios, and that challenge is one that may be realistic and pragmatic enough to accept, albeit one we are willing to postpone, if we think we can't win"

[tazkcmo]

30. Wow.

That was good. You have a knack for saying nothing at all while maximizing word volume. Is that you, Hillary?

[Ed Suspicious]

77. One in particular tells me often how he can afford a Republican president . . . can I? He says this

implying that Bernie is too great a risk. I say without taking a risk on Bernie, I'm the same place I am today . . . nowhere.

[okasha]

41. Ah, no.

The man who stood with his brother to stare down the Soviets in the closest we've come to nuclear war since Nagasaki was a hard headed realist.

That's why we're here to talk about him this eveni ng.

[Art_from_Ark]

43. That "hard-headed realist" became a dreamer

A dreamer of a better life:

"And let's dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people. "

"Few will have the greatness to bend history, but each of us can work to change a small portion of the events, and then the total — all of these acts — will be written in the history of this generation."

"First, is the danger of futility: the belief there is nothing one man or one woman can do against the enormous array of the world's ills — against misery, against ignorance, or injustice and violence. Yet many of the world's great movements, of thought and action, have flowed from the work of a single man."

[okasha]

44. So was LBJ.

LBJ had Congress with him, no matter how hard he had to bludgeon them with the jawbone. Bobby would have, too.

The comparison you're groping for is Gene McCarthey.

[Art_from_Ark]

46. No, the comparison is Bobby Kennedy

Gene McCarthy was essentially an anti-war candidate. Bobby Kennedy was a dreamer-- he not only wanted to see an end to the Vietnam War, he also worked for social and economic justice-- he visited some of the most economically depressed areas of the nation-- like Mississippi, Appalachia and Bedford-Stuyvesant-- and vowed to work to improve conditions for people at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder.

http://billmoyers.com/content/what-inspired-robert-f-kennedys-fight-against-hunger/

Your vision of him is a time-freeze from October 1962. The Bobby Kennedy who campaigned for President in 1968 was someone who had come to understand the harsh realities of life among a huge section of American society.

[okasha]

48. Thanks, but I don't need Moyers to tell me about Bobby.

I supported him in 1968.

[Art_from_Ark]

49. If you supported him in 1968,

then surely you were aware of his dreams to end poverty, war, hunger, racism. You know, those "unicorn" goals.

I was around in 1968, too.

[okasha]

70. If you were around in 1968,

you know those weren't "dreams" but clearly articulated goals for which LBJ had laid a broad groundwork --Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, War on Poverty. Man of La Mancha wasn't about Bobby Kennedy.

[Art_from_Ark]

85. So which of Kennedy's goals I mentioned were actually achieved?

You know, ending poverty, war, hunger, racism.

Despite some successes of the Great Society, they were dreams in 1968. They are still dreams today.

[emulatorloo]

102. Start by asking RFK's assassin. and Nixon voters and Reagan voters and Bush voters

The whole thing still makes me so sick.

[uponit7771]

28. With a unicorn congress, something Sanders and the complacent left leave out of their

... narratives.

FDR, LBJ and even carter had way more of a progressive congress than Obama could think about and SBS won't have anything near such...

Unicorns cause of the reality of the historically gerrymandered GOP congress.

[JDPriestly]

57. One reason our Congress is so conservative is that the Third Way Democrats

have moved far to the right and pushed the American people to the right as they moved themselves in that direction.

We have not heard progressive stances from the Democratic Party. We have not heard strong statements affirming the rights of working people.

An increase in the minimum wage mto $15 per hour has not been fought for in a long time. Bernie and Elizabeth Warren have raised that issue and in doing so are giving hope to many working Americans.

It's about time.

The current Democratic Party gives lip service to the union movement, but that is about it.

Then there were the bail-outs for the banks. Why weren't homeowners also bailed out? Why weren't the homeowners bailed out? Wouldn't that have helped to bail out the banks? Something was very wrong in a bail-out of the banks that involved foreclosing on so many families in America. Something very strange.

The Conservatives win so many congressional seats when Democrats don't choose to vote.

And Democrats don't choose to vote when they are given no reason to vote.

So the majority of Republicans in Congress is due to the failure of the Democratic leadership. They don't advocate for policies that Democratic voters are willing to get out and vote for.

[guillaumeb]

27. Given that the GOP is reflexively opposed to working with a Democratic President,

as demonstrated by how they did not work with Barack Obama or William Clinton, how does Hillary Clinton propose to work with the GOP?

[uponit7771]

29. She doesn't, that's why I said she's not saying unicorns will pop up and vote for anything idealogic

... ideological and she can work through enforcing Obama's EOs are implement some of her own that will start changes in industry.

Something SBS will follow her lead on

[Doctor_J]

40. so what will she accomplish that Sanders won't?

Besides teaming with Paul Ryan to continue screwing working people?

[tech3149]

35. I guess you never really listened to the core message

There is no doubt in my mind after listening to him for more than a decade that he has a better understanding of the problems and obstacles to be overcome to address them.
I can't read his mind but I know how long and hard he thought about taking on the challenge. I am absolutely sure that he knew he would be fighting challenges from every direction of the compass.
You don't take that sort of challenge for level of self aggrandizement.
This campaign is all about building a movement to bring government back into the control of the people. Wasn't that what was supposed to happen when Obama was first elected?

Remember that graphic after he was elected "relax, I got this"? Where was the integration of those that got him elected into the party structure?
How about Mayor 1% calling progressives "fucking retarded"?
The reason Sanders is running as a Democrat is not just because there is no choice but that by sheer force of will or acceptance of inevitability, the party will be transformed or fail.
The DLC/Third Way/corporate whores will have to decide.

[Doctor_J]

39. when the hillarians say, "well rounded leadership", they really mean

"Far to the right of Sanders on every single issue - more like a republican actually. And I don't want to vote for any white men"

[PatrickforO]

53. I want to take exception to the second sentence of your post that begins, "He'll compromise..."

With all due respect, it seems like you are assuming that Americans will do what we have done for at least half a century, and that is get all worked up for the candidate, vote them in, and then step back, cross our arms and wait for the newly elected person to make all this change happen.

Bernie has never said that. He's calling for us to get active in our local political process, stay abreast of issues and hold the feet of those we elect to the fire so that they propose and pass legislation that helps us instead of the top 1/10 of 1%. He calls this a 'political revolution,' but the reality is he's asking us to do nothing more than assume the responsibility we've always had as citizens of a republic.

So...will he compromise 'just like Obama did?' Not if we do what we're supposed to do and should have been doing all along.

And, you know, I get pretty sick of the 'unicorn' meme. You could have said that about FDR too, and I'm sure people did. But he brought about real change that made the American middle class the envy of the world - for several decades. Obama was the candidate we all HOPED was the new FDR. Bernie IS the new FDR.

[senz]

54. Anyone whose argument involves "unicorns" isn't to be taken seriously.

[riversedge]

12. I think your bubble world gets bigger every time you post.

[Motown_Johnny]

14. On her way to make a quarter million bucks an hour from speaking to bankers.

That I'll believe.

[Juicy_Bellows]

26. Zinger!

[Ed Suspicious]

78. Ya'll have the pictures, just not the principles.

[LexVegas]

15. You guys are like climate change deniers.

[immoderate]

73. The deniers are RIGHT?

--imm

[MeNMyVolt]

16. What's the matter Berni?

Trouble with math? http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251980035#post11

[randome]

67. Numbers don't count if you only BELIEVE!

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.[/center][/font][hr]

[YoungDemCA]

18. Explain to me how Sanders wins the general

nt

[Fawke Em]

22. Because he's already beating the pants off every Republican in those

polls y'all like so much. Hillary can't even beat Trump or Rubio in a few of them.

[Ed Suspicious]

79. Open your eyes. We've been explaining this for months.

[ucrdem]

19. Sanders doesn't have to win to help Hillary lose.

That, I accept. But I'm happy to observe that the chances of it happening are diminishing by the hour.

[OilemFirchen]

25. No he can't.

No he doesn't.
No it isn't.
No there isn't.
No they aren't.

No it's not.

[Beacool]

31. Yeah, whatever..........

[brooklynite]

32. Okay - I'll accept your challenge...

Forget Iowa and New Hampshire for the moment; they're good for headlines, but inconsequential in terms of delegates. Tell us all WHICH States Sanders will win to get the delegates he needs. Which State Clinton won in 2008 (baggage and all) will she now lose, and which States Obama won will Sanders pick up?

[Kalidurga]

36. Here you go

?noCache=1452229694

The Blue States are the ones Clinton won that she will lose this go around. Plus, Bernie will win Michigan.

[okasha]

42. Pretty colors.

Have another sugar cube?

[redstateblues]

45. The unicorn map

[senz]

52. They're just making fun of the map you displayed.

Shows how much reciprocal respect they deserve.

[Major Hogwash]

56. I wish that map was bigger.

So I could see the legend.
I would like to know why some states are a light violet, some states are a dark violet, some states are a light purple, and other states are a deep purple.

[brooklynite]

60. You're saying Sanders will win Clinton's home State of NY...

...plus NJ, PA, OH, IN, MI and WI -- all where Clinton beat Obama -- plus ALL of Obama's States, including the ones in the South?

The problem with dreaming is that eventually you wake up.

[ieoeja]

69. If she loses Iowa and New Hampshire the media is going to be full of:

"She can't win a national election."

"She is not a viable candidate."

"Hillary is beginning to look like Dennis Kucinich in that she keeps trying, but failing."

And so on. That is going to drastically effect the map.


Also, you know the media will replay ad nauseum all the racist highlights of her 2008 campaign when the primary goes South. Couple that with Bernie looking electable should he win the first two primaries, and a lot of southern states could very well swing to Bernie.

[Lil Missy]

33. Oh brother ... talk about "difficulty accepting"

[PATRICK]

34. The media bent is denying Clinton

the first woman president and leadership of the woman bloc meme because they don't need to stir things in a way to actually prop up her base. As far as they are concerned her base is also the 1%- at least for the primary. Anyway strangeness is all in bent media politics. They probably delighted in the first black versus the first woman meme back in the last real contest because it divided Dems and allowed the haters to revel in chauvinism and racism at the same time. but of course, other than successfully distracting the nation from hard issues it had no effect on the real election. The way they played the real and open "centrist" lean of Obama was self triangulation by the confused self-deflected news class and left Dems secure in the hope and change general emotion.

Whatever the intent of the news media this time, they will refuse absolutely and forever to bring up any real(rule of law, economic crisis, global climate crisis, basic survival, truth, election theft, stuff like that) issues at all. What is different is that is not fine at all with Sanders as it has been, frustratingly so, with almost every other candidate. Now or back then- a long ways back then. As with Edwards they gave him a few magazine tributes and then ditched the odd phenom for TPTB.

The wishful thinking of both camps, of those in contact with the general voting public is not going to be predictive or sure of anything. Instead the scenarios should be worked out not how delegate votes or states will be pieced out but how ugly or desperate this contest will turn out to be. There is not actually a bevy of polite candidates as in Hillary's first run to diffuse tension or tone down charged expectations. There have been too few debates to work anything out. The blood will be all over the primary landscape and only Sanders seems to be trying to avoid what the Clinton camp seems to disdain contemplating.

Early routs will settle most things. Division of results will finally make this contest real. The power game versus the populist game will get really ugly. The sad leadership of this generally sad world will get the rug pulled out from under us with the constant threat of people getting the opposite of what they both need and desire. Maybe Trump. My God, ten thousand years of human civilization and we have this dogshit choice. Good can lose and evil win, then a lot of people die needlessly. That is not choice but a nutcase species needing intervention.

[PatrickforO]

55. Any time honest workers, everyday people start asking for OUR tax dollars

to be used for things that benefit US, it gets ugly. Power never concedes ANYTHING unless it is forced.

So yeah, the populist movements on both sides will be opposed tooth and nail by the power of the capitalist elite. And it WILL get ugly. The Koch brothers, the MIC and the Wall Street bankers wouldn't have it any other way. To them we are useless eaters who should just die once we can't work any more.

Fuck them. Let's get Bernie in there. And then let's back Bernie to the hilt.

[Doctor_J]

38. even if she somehow wins the ge, the country is well and truly screwed

TPP, drilling, private prisons, heritage care, school privatization, more war, more domestic spying, and more wall street criminals go merrily on. Meanwhile, on the few issues where Hillary and Paul Ryan disagree, she will move even farther to the right.

[Betty Karlson]

58. K&R for truth.

bookmarked; this discussion should be interesting.

[Gothmog]

65. Here are some warnings from Nate Silver about polls

Please pay attention to warning number 3

[thereismore]

71. Will the revolution be televised? It hasn't been so far. Bernie hasn't got the attention he

deserves.

[nolabels]

100. At some time in the near future (maybe even in this election)

Could you ask yourself: Will we really need those trashy networks talking about our candidate?

And a little deeper: Do we need that 1% to do a validation of our stuff? The way to get information is growing ever wider very fast. Those that own those large composites are trying ever more strange ways to keep themselves attached (that indicates they are having diminishing returns on it).

And last thought: Who would want or need to fight when it's just as easy to go around what is in your way

[thereismore]

104. It's true - TV is losing its dominance in the information age. Maybe we don't

even need its attention. Let alone want it.

[WillyT]

72. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[ronnykmarshall]

74. I don't know what to say .....

Oh wait ......

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[merrily]

82. Bill Clinton says something I believe, though I am not sure if he totally does:

The only election you should worry about is the next one. Otherwise, you may never have to worry about another election again.

I am keeping both my eyes on the Democrsatic primary. I am not worrying whom Sanders will pick for VP or how Sanders will do in the general or who is or is not taking a loyalty oath. I am focusing only on the primary. When that ends, I will assess everything else.

[JoePhilly]

90. Don't get a nose bleed way up there looking down on the rest of us.

[DanTex]

92. If only that were true.

Sanders is a huge risk in the general election.

Fortunately, his chances of beating Clinton in the primary are very low. Not zero, so you're right, he can win. If it happened I would be very worried. But I'm pretty sure it won't.

[Proserpina]

103. Observe the transition

This:


becoming this: