No, I don't stand with Planned Parenthood in their endorsement of Hillary

[cali]

I've supported PP for decades. I will continue supporting them. And I sure as hell don't need any man trying to make it appear as if those of us who don't support her, don't support abortion rights or PP or NARAL.

That disgusts me.

Got it? Good.

[MeNMyVolt]

1. Why not post in the original thread. This seems like a callout OP.

And Meta.

[djean111]

3. Not meta at all.

And great answer to the "if you don't support Hillary you don't support Planned Parenthood" bullshit.

[MeNMyVolt]

6. Again, why not reply in the original thread...

.. I'm guessing not enough attention would have been been paid to the OP to satisfy certain needs.

Her inclusion of "man" made this meta.

[djean111]

9. It is not up to you to condescendingly decide when and where people post.

THAT is meta.

[MeNMyVolt]

11. Didn't say it was up to me.

That's up to forum hosts and juries.

[Bluenorthwest]

17. Because that other thread is exploitative bullshit that should not control discussion of Planned

Parenthood and related issues. In my view, that other OP is exactly why they should not have endorsed a primary candidate.

[MeNMyVolt]

18. But that is the purpose of an endorsement.

Doesn't say the other candidates are jerks, just that the endorser feels you should vote for this person above all others. You put skin in the game by endorsing.

[Bubzer]

40. Absolutely you put skin in the game... in the down and dirty game of politics...

where no one escapes unscathed. Granted, PP was already under attack by the GOP, but by declaring for any candidate, some will feel betrayed. Support will be lost. It would have been more in PP's benefit to abstain from endorsing any candidate... especially one who's got a long history of flip-flopping for political expediency.

[MeNMyVolt]

42. You think there are Democrats who will stop supporting PP...

.. because of this endorsement? Then they weren't Democrats to begin with. Non-support of PP means they're not part of my party.

[Bubzer]

45. Interesting that you think yourself the gatekeeper of what makes a person a Democrat.

And I have absolutely no doubts that many dems will refuse support for PP, at least until after the election season. It's already happening. Take a look for yourself: https://www.facebook.com/PlannedParenthoodAction/?ref=br_rs

*On edit*
Here's even more in the comments: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-planned-parenthood_568edb41e4b0cad15e6419f9

[MeNMyVolt]

50. Bully for you. Keep pumping that non-support of PP.

Who the fuck said I'm the gatekeeper.

[Bubzer]

53. Oh, I do support PP... I don't support hillary

"Who the fuck said I'm the gatekeeper." You did. A reminder:

You think there are Democrats who will stop supporting PP because of this endorsement? Then they weren't Democrats to begin with. Non-support of PP means they're not part of my party.

[senz]

107. Enough of this nonsense. All Bernie supporters support PP.

Stop making misleading statements.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

101. you got any snacks at YOUR party

...

[Ed Suspicious]

27. Why do you care?

[George II]

64. +1000

[cali]

120. You are absolutely right. I wanted people to see this. So?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

159. Maybe Cali didn't know she needed to get your approval for this sort of thing.

I don't typically think to run my post ideas by new members to make sure they're ok with the notion. Should I start doing that?

[beam me up scottie]

4. Are you really telling women we can't respond with our own thread?

[MeNMyVolt]

10. Of course not. The first three sentences of the OP are perfect, IMO.

And I can totally agree with them. Then came the meta, and a "let's fight" attitude.

[beam me up scottie]

12. That's not your call, and how do you know so much about meta?

You haven't been here long but you're lecturing us on the rules?

[MeNMyVolt]

13. I've been reading this board since '03.

And everyone keeps saying "it's not up to me", or "it's not my call". I never said anything was up to me. Just stated my opinion.

[leftofcool]

114. Didn't you get the memo?

You are not allowed an opinion unless you are a Bernie supporter.

[beam me up scottie]

117. Except that poster was the one attempting to silence cali by trying to get her thread locked.

And we're all aware of how Hillary supporters alerted stalked cali in the past.

So not only is your post a strawman it's projection as well.

[pennylane100]

138. That would work for mel

That was a joke, btw.

[uppityperson]

14. Probably a long term lurker

[MeNMyVolt]

20. I probably hold the DU record for lurking.

People probably think less of me, but it doesn't matter. Sometimes it's good to listen/read without having to formulate your reply while you're doing it.

[Glamrock]

21. Amen brother

I may have the silver medal for lurking myself. This place is usually a treasure trove of info, but some here are extremely sensitive. Don't post too much cause the ridiculous arguments are just tiresome.

[stevil]

38. Yep

I started lurking around the same time you did. I signed up to make a donation to DU.

[MeNMyVolt]

47. To you and Glamrock above.

I did the same. I found this place from the Horse. It's been a good site to read like minded opinions, mostly. Things get mucked up during the primaries, but I guess that's expected. I actually kind of drifted away just a bit after PBO's victory in '08. Things got really weird then. But I joined and contributed since I felt it was time to do that. I've ate the Trinity's bandwidth for too long without paying.

[oasis]

78. Mediawhoresonline.. . That's also where I got my link to DU, so long ago.

[MeNMyVolt]

86. I think a lot of old-time DUers did.

Those were the days.

[oasis]

87. Republicans were the target of DU attacks waaaaay back when.

Now, it's open season on Democrats.

[MeNMyVolt]

89. Because the loudest who remain on this site are not Dems.

Never were. It will change again. As long as the Trinity keeps spending the time and money.

Peace to you Oasis. /huggingthing

[oasis]

100. Thanks MeNMyVolt. Have a great 2016. (eom)

[bvar22]

183. The DLC, 3rd Way, Bill Clinton (especially Trade Policies), triangulation,

and Democrats who vote with Republicans (DINOS, Blue Dogs) and other Conservative "Democrats".....have ALWAYS been heavily criticized at DU.

Especially when Bush asked Congress for a blank check to invade the wrong country on phonied up BS,
and enough Democrats (including Hillary) turned their back on the majority of Democrats,
and helped BUsh and the Republicans get their WAR on, get the Shock & Awe up and running, and the mass killing of innocent Brown People under way.

DU was on FIRE then.

[sheshe2]

70. Hmmm~

Boom!

[pangaia]

58. You forgot to ask first.

[beam me up scottie]

59. Oops! Forgot my place for a minute!

[cali]

75. Because it's important to me.

[JDPriestly]

105. Isn't a post calling out a post for calling out another post or thread "meta"?

If the OP is meta, then isn't your own original post also meta?

Please explain. I've never really understood what is meant by "meta."

[lewebley3]

178. I worked for PP and Hillary with others have been great Friends

to PP. Their support is not mystery its very smart and
helpful to PP.

[beam me up scottie]

2. Well said, cali.

I'm sick of my rights being used to score points on DU.

[m-lekktor]

5. yeah that poll thread this refers to and the other similar ones were pretty fucking scummy.

if you don't support the candidate endorsement you don't support what the endorsing group represents. slimy.

[azmom]

15. Yep. Slimy

[beam me up scottie]

22. Preach it.

I guess it's okay to exploit our rights for sport.

[sarge43]

31. How many times have we seen

if you don't support Hillary, you're not a good Democrat; you may not be a Democrat.

[senz]

106. I agree, it is a slimy, underhanded, dishonest tactic.

[Scuba]

7. K&R I also support PP, but not the candidate they endorsed.

[tularetom]

16. Its called projection

If PP had endorsed Sanders the Clintonites would all be posting here trashing the organization. Because they are that petty, they assume that you would be too.

Ignore 'em.

[TheFarS1de]

72. Jury Results ....

On Thu Jan 7, 2016, 02:55 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Its called projection
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=981407

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a complete slander against one candidate's supporters! Poster added NO substantiation of this lie. Should be removed for fairness' sake.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jan 7, 2016, 03:06 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No slander I can see here , leave it alone .
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This should be hidden.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yet again, The Swarm uses the alert button to stifle debate.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Close one. It's true of some of Mrs Clinton's supporters, but not all. It unfair to strike with such a broad brush.

Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Both sides do it. Can't play favorites.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[mindwalker_i]

19. Yup, I said something similar in the thread this is referring to

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=981015

Also, the post referred to makes an explicit link between women and Hillary: if you don't support Hillary, you don't support women. It's a blatent attempt to shame people into voting for Hillary or you're a mysogynist. So all those posts by people saying they're not voting for Hillary because she's female are called into question.

Don't get me wrong: it would be a good thing to have a female president. Hillary's negatives outweigh that, and Bernie's positives outweigh it too.

[Old Codger]

23. Fully agree

Would be a great thing to have a female president, and some day I will vote for one, and I will once again hold my nose and vote for Hill if she happens to be the nominee,which I doubt, but this won't be the time we have a female president, she can't win the GE...

[CharlotteVale]

24. I feel exactly the same way.

[Robbins]

25. well

they earned a place on my crap list.

bernie had supported PP fa rmore against rw smears.

let me take a guess leadership did this while many membership doesn't approve.

[Bubzer]

44. Got it in one!

[Armstead]

26. I think it's wrong

People who support issue oriented organizations like PP should not have to
have mixed feelings because they endorse a,specific candidate on this type of race.

It might be appropriate if one candidate is anti choice. But that's not the case here because both Bernie and Martin O are also pro choice, and would just as supportive of their goals and values.

[Ed Suspicious]

30. It was a silly move and it has potential to alienate some of the groups funders. I suppose they get

some short term PR out of being a relevant endorsement, but I just really don't understand why they would put themselves out there on this when the reward is so paltry. I mean, like you said, all three candidates support PP's positions.

[Armstead]

35. do Sanders and OM donors to PP get a refund?

I saw in an article that PP could donate to Clinton through its political arm.

People who give to PP were not donating to Clinton. I think they should ask for their money back if the endorsement goes ahead.

[Ed Suspicious]

39. I can't say I disagree.

[Armstead]

43. I hate to think that way but this pisses me off

I think it's similar to that environmental organization whose chair is a political ally of Clinton and misused her position to endorse her.

[Art_from_Ark]

96. Yeah, that was the League of Conservation Voters

Its board chairwoman was Bill Clinton's EPA director.

[Armstead]

98. The wealthy liberals club

[-none]

182. What's the difference between this and the head of the DNC endorsing one candidate?

I am seeing some of same problems with both. Neither should be endorsing anyone.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

63. They won't get another penny from me

until the nominee is decided on.

[NCTraveler]

28. I stand with Planned Parenthood and their endorsement of Clinton. Nt

[JoePhilly]

29. This thread is pretty funny.

[cali]

33. Ever had an abortion?

[morningfog]

79. Yuck it up. You have no shame.

[Wounded Bear]

32. I'll always support Planned Parenthood...

And, if Hillary is the candidate in the general, she will get my vote.

But as much as I want to see a woman president, I prefer Bernie at this time.

[Still In Wisconsin]

49. I want to see a female President also...

President Warren, to be specific.

[Wounded Bear]

88. Liz would be a good one, I believe...

but I like where she is for now. She's become a force in the Senate and a valuable voice for rational fiscal reform.

[Divernan]

116. You believe a Senator is more powerful than a President?

Then HRC should have run for Senate again - we know she has no problem in carpet-bagging/moving to whatever state has the next Senate campaign coming up. But wait! She wouldn't haul in nearly the millions she gets for speaking fees/Clinton Foundation "donations" if she was only a Senator.

Liz Warren as president would show the country and the world how truly powerful the bully pulpit could be in influencing political actions.

[Wounded Bear]

137. I didn't say that...

but frankly, in many ways a Senator is more powerful than the pres. Senators can filibuster and hold up appointments. A strong Senator on an important committee has enormous political power.

Besides, I was speaking more in terms of Warren as a VP, which is a rather meaningless position, unless you have a weak pres like our last few Repubs. I'd much rather have Warren as a Senator than as a VP.

[Prism]

34. Can't wait til the Human Rights Campaign invariably endorses the Establishment candidate

Then we'll get all these wonderful posts about how it is only right and proper for real LGBTers to support Clinton. And if you dont, what are you, some kind of homophobe?

I still haven't seen an apology for her remarks a few months ago that DOMA was good for us and we should be thankful the Clintons were so ahead of the curve in supporting it.

Ugh. These friggin people.

But she cares about us! Blech.

[beam me up scottie]

41. You know it.

Do you stand with Hillary and LGBT people or are you a red neck homophobe?

Watch how you answer, because we're keeping lists for the next purge.

[Still In Wisconsin]

51. Hillary came forth with support for LGBT folks when her pollsters told her it was advantageous

to do so, and not one second sooner.

[Fawke Em]

95. And Bernie has supported them for decades.

Hillary finally "evolved" on LGBT's fundamental right to marry three years ago.

[SheilaT]

36. Let's see now. I support PP. I don't support Hillary,

at least not at this juncture.

To suggest that a woman who doesn't support Hillary also does not support PP or equal pay or anything else is pure bullshit.

[Still In Wisconsin]

46. Neither do I. I am a staunch defender of Planned Parenthood, but the leadership got this one wrong.

I also share your disgust with those who play the "If you don't vote Hillary then you're ( a misogynist/ anti-marriage equality/ racist/ etc etc&quot card.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

48. We do too. We've contributing to PP for decades. And, will continue to do so.

But, not to Hillary.

[truebluegreen]

52. Me neither. nt

[Duval]

56. Me neither!

[Historic NY]

54. You don't get to decide that, the leadership of PP did....

it was the first time they ever endorsed. I'm sure they did their due diligence.

[Duval]

55. Got it, Cali! K&R

[Gothmog]

57. The endorsement of Planned Parenthood is a major endorsement for the Clinton campaign

I need to send more money to PP

[WillyT]

60. K & R !!!

[emsimon33]

61. One more group I will no longer support!

Guess the Republicans had it right after all!

[tammywammy]

66. I hope you're being sarcastic. n/t

[andrewv1]

67. Should've stayed on the sidelines....

It would've of been good if Ann was around right now to give her daughter some guidance....

A likely scenario if Hillary is the nominee, is there will not only be a Republican Senate and House, but also a Republican President.

Would PP continue?
Doubt it.

[senz]

108. ^^ This ^^

Hillary as the nominee would be disastrous for PP.

[andrewv1]

62. That will go down as one of the stupidest moves any organization could make.

Rule of thumb; When you are in the middle of controversy, Don't try to look for more controversy.

So, not much sense on their part, no matter who the nominee is...

And especially when there are so many true progressives that have supported them.

[George II]

65. What "man"?

[beam me up scottie]

68. Trying to get cali to call out someone so you can prod her into another hide?

I don't think she'll fall for it.

[cali]

74. Figure it out.

[morningfog]

82. I agree, only a "man" in quotes would engage in such

behavior. A real man would not be so divisive and exploitative when it comes to these issues.

[George II]

83. But we don't even know what the man is that is referred to - no link, no quote, just.......

[morningfog]

84. I know. The OP knows. You know.

[cali]

85. Yep. Game playing.

[beam me up scottie]

97. Maybe trying to get your post hidden.

Last edited Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:41 AM - Edit history (1)

[George II]

94. Sorry, no I don't.

[jeff47]

142. You aren't that dumb, George.

Playing that dumb to fish for an alert is not exactly becoming.

[George II]

143. That seems to be the only thing you ever say to me. Read the OP and my comments.

[jeff47]

145. That's because it's about 75% of what you do on DU these days.

Pretend you just don't get it in an attempt to fish for a "call out" alert.

It's almost as "good" as switching your avatar to that Canadian flag to fish for "you're Canadian" comments.

[George II]

150. Isn't that precisely what your function/objective is in this discussion? Care to comment on the....

....subject at hand?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

161. No one has forgotten the Oath Daddy George Took at the other site.

[morningfog]

172. GOod lord. Since you want to play that dumb, I'll assume it is not an act.

I take you at your word that you are this dense. The OP in response to DemocratSinceBirth's offensive, flamebait push poll.

I'm glad I could help your struggling self.

[George II]

173. How do we know all that you said? As I've pointed out (several times), there was no direct...

...reference, link, or other indication that what you say about the OP is in response to another one.

Here is THIS OP in its entirety:

No, I don't stand with Planned Parenthood in their endorsement of Hillary [View all]

I've supported PP for decades. I will continue supporting them. And I sure as hell don't need any man trying to make it appear as if those of us who don't support her, don't support abortion rights or PP or NARAL.

That disgusts me.

Got it? Good.

[morningfog]

175. Because we aren't fucking stupid.

[kwassa]

180. Alert results

On Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:18 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

GOod lord. Since you want to play that dumb, I'll assume it is not an act.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=984551

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

There is just no need to be this abusuve and insulting to people. The poster needs to take it down a notch or two. This kind of verbal assault would have never been tolerated under the Mod system, yet people seem to think this is okay and normal. This poster essentially called another DU'er dense and dumb, then proceeded to insult yet another DU'er by name who isn't even in the conversation.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:24 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation:
Appropriate response to someone trying desperately hard to disrupt.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The whole thread is OTT, but the name calling in the post is wrong. The alerter has it right. Under the Mod system, verbal assaults were not tolerated. Please hide.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This poster couldn't be more offensive if he or she tried. Let's put that shoe on the other foot. Hey, Morning Fog, Since you want to play that dumb, I'll assume it is not an act. I take you at your word that you are this dense. Still wondering why you were alerted on? I'm glad I could help your struggling self. Now--those are YOUR words turned back on you--does that seem "civil" to you--or anyone? What utter nastiness. If this survives an alert, the Admins need to do something. HIDE.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: George is playing a game. This alert is what George is trying to elicit. No.

[morningfog]

181. Thanks for posting the results!

[beam me up scottie]

69. Damn, 100 recs already.

Looks like that exploitative push poll offended a lot of people.

Way to go, call!

[cali]

90. Thanks, Scottie

[beam me up scottie]

93. Don't mention it!

[Babel_17]

71. I feel you

The Union I retired from had its Christmas party and our Business Agent read out the message from Richard Trumka announcing the AFL-CIO's endorsement of Secretary Clinton. He then went on to imply that Clinton was going to be the only pro-labor candidate on the ballot. I took it as him lumping the primary with the GE.

It was the Christmas meeting, so no discussions. I went up to their table at the head of the hall after the meeting. Long story short, I talked to our VP who was unaware that Sanders was running in the Democratic primary. I reminded him of NAFTA, and the TPP. He reminded me "we all made money under Bill".

Ironically, our business agent, who runs our local, is fairly well known to be conservative, and not a fan of President Clinton. He regaled us with a pointed Viagra joke at one time. His wife is a pretty important Republican judge.

Strange bedfellows, politics makes. As my VP reminded me, "they send out the endorsement, he has to read it".

Meh, I have an idea who will be voting in the primaries from our local. They aren't listening to Trumka, nor did they listen when our local was in bed with the local Republicans, though I think some will vote for Clinton.

For the GE the union endorsement matters.

[eridani]

73. She isn't even all that strong on reproductive rights

http://www.thenation.com/article/why-this-socialist-feminist-is-not-voting-for-hillary/

As first lady of Arkansas, she led the efforts by her husband’s administration to weaken teachers’ unions and scapegoat teachers—most of them women, large numbers of them black—for problems in the education system, implementing performance measures and firings that set a punitive tone for education reform nationwide. Rather than trying to walk this back, Clinton recently said that as president, she would close any public school “that wasn’t doing a better than average job.” Fuzzy math aside, this suggests a regime of pressure on America’s mostly female teaching force—81 percent of elementary- and middle-school teachers are women—that would make her predecessors look like presidents of a giant homeschooling hippie collective. Hillary’s socialist-feminist boosters might want to ask themselves: What kind of socialist feminism supports undermining black women on the job while imposing austerity on the public sector? And lest you think Clinton’s financial hawkishness is reserved for K–12, she also opposes free college tuition, though the United States is the only country where students—57 percent of them women—are saddled with decades of debt as the price of attaining higher education. Defending this position, Clinton recently said that it was important for people seeking a college degree to have “skin in this game.”

It would be hard to imagine a bigger blow to the
 material well-being of poor women in America than President Bill Clinton’s move in 1996 to “end welfare as we know it” by signing the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act. As first lady, Hillary wasn’t a mere spectator to this; within the White House, she advocated harsher policies like ending traditional welfare, even as others in the administration, like Labor Secretary Robert Reich, proposed alternatives. Clinton defended her preferred policies by demonizing mothers struggling to get by as “deadbeats” who were “sitting around the house doing nothing.” Rush Limbaugh couldn’t have said it better. Asked recently to comment on this legacy, Hillary declined. And while the last

Clinton administration claimed that it would offset welfare reductions with pressure to raise wages (the majority of low-wage workers in this country are women), and while a growing movement is demanding a $15 minimum wage, Clinton has made it clear that $12 is just fine with her.

<snip>

But surely, if nothing else, Clinton can be counted on as a staunch ally against the war on women at home? Not so. She has said that abortion should be safe, legal, and “rare”—a qualifier that contributes to the stigma against the procedure. Last summer, during the right-wing attacks on Planned Parenthood that would later inspire a deadly shooting at a Colorado Springs clinic, Clinton tried to split the difference, saying one week that she found the videos about Planned Parenthood’s supposed practices “disturbing,” and the following week clarifying that she supported the organization—a bold stance from someone who once said that “women’s rights are human rights.”

[senz]

110. Thank you for posting this. Good points, very pertinent.

I might suggest it for an OP, but it would probably get swarmed and alerted on like crazy because it pokes a hole in a certain balloon.

I get the strong impression that Clinton cares primarily for herself, her daughter, and her closest, most loyal associates. She may see white upper middle class women as a kind of general constituency, but I don't think she relates to poor women and women of color. (Although if enough people were to say this, she'll start pretending to.)

One of the things I love about Bernie is his natural ability to place the highest value on people simply because they are people, regardless of gender, race, religion (or lack thereof), sexual orientation, age. None of these identifiers lessen the value of anyone for him. People matter, period.

[MisterP]

184. yeah, it's not a matter of neutrality or of pandering, but of understanding

[BlueJazz]

76. I'll always support them (and I mean support as in $$$)

..but me not happy about their decision.

[morningfog]

77. Ignore the passive aggressive trolls.

[cali]

80. nope. Not on this and never from men.

[morningfog]

81. Understood. Give them hell.

[treestar]

91. Both men and women have opinions

There are anti-choice anti-feminist women. And pro choice an feminist men. Calling put a DUer for beings man is disgusting. Stick to the issue. PP endorsed Hillary and men are as able to comment as women.

[cali]

92. Boohoo to you.

[beam me up scottie]

99. And when a man tries to pit women against each other for sport we get to call that out.

That's a dirty trick and we know it well.

[treestar]

139. DSB did not do that.

PP endorsed Hillary, which makes it uncomfortable for feminist Bernie supporters - it's up to them what they do with that information.

[beam me up scottie]

152. That's your opinion, not a fact.

The only people who are uncomfortable are the ones attacking cali for daring to speak up.

[treestar]

165. If she wants to differ with PP she gets to do that

anyone does. DSB did not say a thing attacking anyone. That's where she is wrong.

[beam me up scottie]

167. No she's not wrong, that poster admitted he was exploiting PP for "fun".

Why do you think her thread has so many recs?

[Live and Learn]

102. K&R nt

[Kali]

103. that kind of logic seems more like right wing thinking.

most intelligent people can parse a disappointment like PP not endorsing our candidate and still be able to support the extremely important work PP does.

I know it kind of saddened me to see that historic endorsement, but I still support PP.

implying that not caring for the endorsement is the same as not supporting PP is idiotic.

I am for Sanders, but I support Democrats no matter what.

[JDPriestly]

104. Same here. Planned Parenthood should not have endorsed any candidate.

They did not have to. And they can't afford to at this point.

They are off my list.

[senz]

111. You're right that they shouldn't have jeopardized their relationship

with Bernie and O'Malley supporters who are by default PP supporters. They should have known better.

But the work they do is extremely important for poor women -- who have nothing to do with the endorsement.

I think it's a given that the establishment, the "upper class" of many organizations, will play it safe by endorsing someone as well-connected and ensconced in wealth and power as Clinton, because that's what power-seekers everywhere value. And then her supporters will crow that the entire organization favors her, though that may be far from the truth.

[Divernan]

118. Bernie has HRC so scared, she forced PP into this premature endorsement.

The threat of the Wrath of Klinton, ya know! The Enemies List! Revenge!

On the other hand, Planned Parenthood, as well as many, many of the others who were "persuaded" to endorse HRC in the primary, are well aware that Bernie Sanders has too much decency and too much class, and will always put the welfare of the country ahead of his bank balance and ego, such that he would never wreak revenge on them personally or any organization they represent, for caving in to Clinton out of fear of retaliation.

PPFA has its roots in Brooklyn, New York, where Margaret Sanger opened the first birth control clinic in the U.S. She founded the American Birth Control League in 1921, which changed its name to "Planned Parenthood" in 1942.

NEVER, NEVER IN ITS NEARLY ONE HUNDRED YEAR HISTORY, HAS PLANNED PARENTHOOD ENDORSED A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN THE PRIMARY.

[retrowire]

109. tell it Cali tell it

I too, don't need no man telling me what I am or ain't.

this man supports Bernie, and is pro choice.

[arely staircase]

112. I'll alert the media. nt

[Amimnoch]

113. really.

the mental meltdown is incredible.

[cali]

121. Meltdown? The meltdown in this thread is all Hillary supporters

[beam me up scottie]

122. You're being an emotional uppity woman again, cali.

Best we remember our place so the menfolk don't have to chastise us for our tone while we're having a "mental meltdown".

[Amimnoch]

124. Obnoxious and snotty.

a pathetic attempt at a Troll at that.

Hugely ironic considering the slew of misogynistic insults our Democratic frontrunner (you know, the one that's been a Democrat for more than a few months) has had to endure.

No, i won't rise up to your attempt to paint me as a misogynist. Women deserve rights and respect. That's only part of why I support Hillary for 2016.

Good day.

[beam me up scottie]

125. And uppity, don't forget that while you're chastising me!

[Amimnoch]

126. Your words not mine.

but thanks for showing how you think of women.

[beam me up scottie]

127. Showing how I think of myself? No, thank YOU for proving my point!

Women are often scolded for speaking our minds.

We're prone to "mental meltdowns" you know.

[me b zola]

129. I was # 7

On Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:53 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You're being an emotional uppity woman again, cali.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=983397

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

First, it needs a sarcasm. Second to make that argument, especially when NO statement like that was made.. at all.. is most definitely rude, and over the top and most definitely deserves a hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jan 8, 2016, 08:59 AM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think it's pretty obviously a sarcastic post. We don't always need a sarcasm smiley to tell us that.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: GD P. GD Pu
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Good lord...did someone *really* alert on this?
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This seems to be alert abuse. There is nothing remotely out of line with the post that was alerted on.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[cali]

130. Thanks. Some folks really want me gone.

[beam me up scottie]

132. It was on me, the third failed alert since last night.

At least you know you're not alone, cali.

[me b zola]

133. You and BMuS have been strong, consistant voices that won't be cowed

Some talk about strong women, others are strong women. Keep up the good fight

[beam me up scottie]

131. Ah, the swarm is up early I see.

That's three failed alerts on me since last night.

Good jury, thank you my friend.

Hope you are well.

[me b zola]

134. There should be some remedy for being stalked

People put a lot of effort into silencing the voices that they don't agree with... something I know a little something about.

I'm doing well here Got married for the first time last Halloween to my partner of 13 years. LOL, I broke the news to my 35 year old son by posting on FB that for Halloween we dressed as middle-aged bride and groom...to which he said well thats good He needed a little more info, no one ever suspected that I would take the plunge.

I hope all is well with you. Stay strong and don't let the stalkers take you down.

[beam me up scottie]

135. Congratulations me b zola!

I hope you are both very happy, you deserve it.

[me b zola]

136. Thank You BMuS!

Amazingly, we have both been rejuvenated by the marriage. I didn't expect that but it sure is welcome. Other things in life are kind of falling into place, again, a most welcome turn of events.

TC, I've got mad love for you

[Amimnoch]

123. Nope, we're quite happy with the endorsement.

I think it was great and PP made the right choice.

But thanks for the concern

[cali]

128. And I congratulate Hillary's campaign and supporters on it.

That has nothing to do with my op.

[leftofcool]

115. Translation: Bernie did not get the coveted PP endorsement and now PP is just disgusting

[cali]

119. Wow. You translate "I've supported PP for decades. I will continue supporting them" as

"Bernie did not get the coveted PP endorsement and now PP is just disgusting".

That's disgusting and about as dishonest as anyone could be.


I could not have been clearer. But let me add this: Congratulations to Clinton. It's a great endorsement. And YOU are now the only duer on my ignore list.

You have so earned it.

[Sheepshank]

140. Pretty much...otherwise why the OP? nt

[cali]

146. Seriously, the op makes it clear that I support PP. Furthermore, I don't

begrudge her the endorsement. It's a great one. I simply don't agree with it. And the reason for the op is that I think it is wrong and offensive to claim that if you don't stand with PP regarding their endorsement of Hillary, you don't support abortion right or PP.

And when it comes from a man, that makes it all the worse.

Congratulations to Hillary and her supporters on a great endorsement.

Now cut the crap dishonesty on how I'm slagging off PP because they didn't endorse bernie.

oh, and shame on you.

[Sheepshank]

147. of course you begrudge the endorsment

there was no other reason for the OP.

And as with every other endorsement given Hillary, an OP from a very small handful of Bernie supporters with some sort of slight, outrage, pointing out errors, pointing out Stockholm syndrome, pointing out stupidity or ignorance, is always sure to follow.

[cali]

148. Wow. Disgusting to tell me I begrudge the endorsement

when I could not have been clearer that I do not. I've been equally clear on why I posted the op.

You're a male, right?

[Sheepshank]

149. if you don't begrudge then it's sour grapes

I really don't see a difference.

Your continued outrage is noted.

And I could throw my own outrage out there too. What does my gender have to do with anything? and before you answer that, what if I were trans, gay, a tom boy, delicate, or under gender reassigment...so what does gender have to do with my comment?

I don't see the point of being outraged at the assumptions you just made, no matter how inane it was.

[cali]

153. So saying I support PP and congratulating Hillary and supporters on the endorsement is

sour grapes? That is a clear delusion.

And I know you're a man. Yeah, in this context, it's germane.

Btw, sour grapes is closely related to begrudgingly.

Do try to learn how to accept a congratulations with just a tad of graciousness, my dear.

You are the one looking bitter as well as disingenuous.

[Sheepshank]

154. in what way is it germane? nt

[cali]

155. You are a man telling a woman who has repeatedly expressed support for

PP that she doesn't really support them, which is also saying that she doesn't support abortion rights. You are telling me what I think, when I've made it clear that is not what I think.

It's gross.

[Sheepshank]

156. yeah...well I think narrow minded assumptions are gross

pretending to be the victim of male oppression in this subthread, is a joke.

You have no idea if I'm a dude or not...you simply are running with assumptions

and the sour grapes on this thread too by so many Bernie supporters. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251981142#post10

It was simply very predictable that you would find something to gripe about with PP...."No I don't stand with ...." says it all. You had a gripe and you wanted to say it out loud. I don't know why you are trying to walk back the OP.

[cali]

160. More dissembling from you. Ugh. I have in no way griped about PP

I haven't said anything that could possibly be construed as such. Why persist in making shit up?

[Sheepshank]

163. you griped. It is what it is

you brought it up, you don't like the endorsement. It is a valid gripe for Hillary haters. I actually don't care that you are parsing words and walking it back enough to try and sound noble or a victim (your are going back and forth on this sub thread so not sure where it will end up on that note), but you are the one who took the time to write the OP. You brought attention to the idea that PP isn't doing exactly what you want it to do. You verbalized a disappointment, that is called a gripe. It pissed you off enough to post the OP...otherwise why not just keep it to yourself? or was this OP really just flame bait, just meta?

[cali]

164. Bwahaha. Keep digging. Keep making shit up.

It's actually funny, Sheep.

[Sheepshank]

169. yup...I called it and you are taking the defensive posture

it's ok.

[George II]

158. Wow, I'm just dumbfounded by the comments directed your way.

[dragonfly301]

141. Still supportive of Planned Parenthood

but with so many worthy organizations in need of my financial support, I would be more inclined to donate my money to a cause that wasn't endorsing Hillary Clinton. But I still believe in Planned Parenthood and I'm sure Hillary's wealthy donors will see that they are flush with funding.

[progressoid]

144. "Innocuous" and "fun"

Apparently that's what that poll was all about. Fuck that.


K/R

[hay rick]

151. I support their mission but I can no longer support their organization.

I gave last year (and many years before that). This year will be different.

[Nye Bevan]

157. I'm a Hillary supporter but let's get real.

President Sanders would be every bit as strong on women's rights as Hillary would be, which is why I think it's kind of silly for anyone to go around trumpeting this endorsement.

[cali]

162. Thanks. I actually have no problem with anyone trumpeting the endorsement

[Ferd Berfel]

166. THese two are not mutually exclusive. I support PP but cannot support Hillary

Cut the simple minded crap.

[BainsBane]

168. If you've supported them for decades

Why do you feel compelled to post an OP denouncing someone who asked if you still supported them? Either you support them or you don't. There isn't anything very complicated about it, except of course if like a certain vocal minority of self-described "progressives" you've decided to target any organization, union, or group of people who do not prioritize the career of one politician, Bernie Sanders, above everything else.

We have systematically seen Planned Parenthood, NARAL, Black Lives Matters, unions, one Democratic politician and public figure after another, as well as the majority of Democratic voters--particularly women and people of color--denounced and/or thrown under the bus for having the audacity to prioritize something other than Bernie Sanders' career. People have made it abundantly clear what they care about. No amount of denials changes that.

The problem doesn't begin with an endorsement (or now some hundred or thousand-odd endorsements), but on an obsession with a contest for the occupant of presidency over the people those candidates seek to represent. That kind of worldview, which is tragically common among Democrats, is deeply conservative and may well be the greatest obstacle to the kind of solidarity necessary to bring about systemic change.

[cali]

170. It's right there in the op. Period.

[BainsBane]

176. I understand this concept may be alien here

but it is possible to support an organization and disagree with them on something minor, like a political endorsement. The problem is when people see the political contest is more important than the work of Planned Parenthood, just as they see a particular politician as more important than Black Lives Matter, the union movement, or their fellow citizens' right to exercise their own democratic choices.

And yes, I get that you're outraged that someone, a "man," posted on OP with a poll you didn't like. So what? Obviously he struck a nerve.

[ismnotwasm]

171. Yawn

[Autumn]

174. I support Planned Parenthood. I do not support this .

Yeah it doesn't get more disgusting than that.

[Doctor_J]

177. A strange endorsement. Bernie is also a strong supporter of reproductive freedom, and FAR less

likely to flip-flop on this issue. He is also more likely to fight with all of his energy for his beliefs, unlike Mrs. Clinton.

I chalk this up to yet another endorsement given to Hillary solely because of her gender.

[lewebley3]

179. Its easy understand if you were not a Sanders supporter