In its first endorsement ever, Planned Parenthood endorses Hillary Clinton. Do you stand with them?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

Planned Parenthood, which has become an ideological minefield in the 2016 presidential election, said Thursday that it would endorse Hillary Clinton — its first endorsement in a presidential primary in the nonprofit’s 100-year existence.

Mrs. Clinton will officially accept the group’s support Sunday at a campaign rally in Manchester, N.H. The decision to break with tradition and endorse Mrs. Clinton comes as the House has approved a measure, endorsed by the leading Republican presidential candidates, that would repeal parts of the Affordable Care Act and strip away federal financing for Planned Parenthood, which provides reproductive and health care services.

“Everything Planned Parenthood has believed in and fought for over the past 100 years is on the ballot,” said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood.



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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. I certainly disagree with the endorsement but I'll still contribute to PP.

Not to Hillary.

[randys1]

87. Wait a minute, you answered NO in the poll but now say you continue to support PP

which is great, by the way, but...

Planned Parenthood supports HIllary, so if Bernie loses, do you?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

93. I support PP.

Not Hillary.

[randys1]

102. And.........if Hillary is the candidate, PP will support her, for reasons I should not have

to go into.

What will really piss some of us off is if we have to suffer the behaviour of those who stayed home and pouted in 2010, if they do it again.

[Ed Suspicious]

105. Will you please knock it off with the loyalty pledges? It's super fucking condescending.

[uppityperson]

109. Thank you. eom

[randys1]

110. Stop making such absurd allegations. I am the LEAST loyal person here when it comes to

any political party.

I am loyal to the lives that will be LOST if the terrorist teaparty takes the WH.

Sorry if that bothers you...

[Cary]

129. Ha!

Last time I tried that one, 2 days ago, I was accused of fear mongering.

[pnwmom]

153. Terrorist tea party. You got it. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

111. Word.

[Phlem]

135. Thank You!

Shit's getting old.

[Duckhunter935]

176. thank you so much

[George II]

190. Interesting, I didn't see the words "loyalty" OR "pledge" in Randy's post.

[Ed Suspicious]

191. You should check between the lines.

[George II]

193. I didn't see any lines either.

[Ed Suspicious]

195. I blame Canada.

[George II]

196. Why would you do that?

[mike_c]

298. oddly, I didn't see the word "obfuscation" in yours...

...which was nonetheless manifestly obfuscatory. Neat how that works, isn't it?

[George II]

305. True that

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/obfuscatory

verb (used with object), obfuscated, obfuscating.

1. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy.

[Karma13612]

233. +1000 % eom

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

156. I always vote.

For candidates of my choosing.

[randys1]

158. So do I and I ALWAYS vote for the candidate that doesnt want to kill Women

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

161. Sanders wants to kill women?

[randys1]

162. Dont you dare

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

165. Don't I dare...what?

I voted for a woman for president in 2012. A woman very much against killing women....even Iraqi or Afghan women.

[randys1]

167. You know damn well I wasnt talking about Bernie

You voted for a Woman president in 2012?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

168. Yes. I did. Jill Stein.

We're you talking about her?

[randys1]

169. Keep pretending that a 3rd party vote doesnt actually count as a vote for murderous anti Woman

assholes, you can lie to yourself, but you cant lie to me.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

172. Basic math.

0 - 0 = 0

You seem to assume that if I vote 3rd party that Hillary will lose a vote. No she won't.

0 - 0 = 0

You seem to assume that if I vote 3rd party a Republican will gain a vote. No he/she won't.

Did Jill Stein lose a vote because you voted for Obama?

[cali]

224. You said it. You said it as if there is only one candidate who stands up for women's reproductive ri

[randys1]

250. I said only one candidate supports Women, only one of our two? I said that? Prove it or

retract it.

I said, and have said, that OUR CANDIDATES do and we must support THEM

[randys1]

268. Where did I say that?

[Duckhunter935]

178. when did Bernie

Say he wanted to kill women?

Hillary sent women to die in a war, sad

[randys1]

180. GOD DAMNIT i am talking about GOP, for KRIST SAKE

[Duckhunter935]

184. I notice you only support hillary and do not say Democrats and

Also purposely did not say Republicans are the ones you are talking about. It is plenty clear of your meaning, sad.

[randys1]

288. Cant be clear since my meaning is GOP and that was my meaning the other 2000 times I have

said this sigh

[DisgustipatedinCA]

281. Then communicate more effectively.

[randys1]

289. Everyone who isnt trying to create a non issue knows who I am talking about

You all may dislike me for my liberal positions, but you damn sure know what they are by now

[Duckhunter935]

293. nope, just be

Specific. You seem to not be and expect everyone to be able to read your mind. But you are very clear about Hillary.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

296. You can continue to blame everyone who has pointed this out to you.

Or you could realize there was a better way to say what you set out to say.

[beam me up scottie]

183. ZOMG BERNIE WANTS TO KILL WOMEN???

[randys1]

265. Why do you people misquote me on purpose? WHen I am talking about the GOP why

do you pretend I am talking about Bernie.

Do you have that little respect for Bernie that you think someone like me would say that about him?

You are doing him a disfavor in ways you clearly cant see.

[MeNMyVolt]

314. It's called baiting Randy. It's how they roll.

And you're a Sanders supporter FFS!

[cui bono]

198. So now Bernie wants to kill Women?

Jesus fucking christ. Is that the new talking point???

SMH

.

[randys1]

266. Nah, never said ANYTHING remotely close to that, but your friends are twisting my words

hoping someone can get me banned.

I dont blame them, true Bernie supporters like me do not fit in around here.

[cui bono]

277. I don't think anyone is trying to get you banned. Look at the structure of your sentence

and what/who you chose to include and leave out. We are in a primary, so the people you would be choosing between who are viable at this point (sorry O'Malley) are Hillary and Bernie. Now if you had specified the general election then we would know you are talking about the GOP, but you didn't. So since the next vote is between Bernie and Hillary, your sentence structure and information provided leaves Bernie as the person who kills women.

.

[randys1]

287. Nonsense, everyone here knows my position. Knows who I am talking about

[Duckhunter935]

294. no we do do not

[DisgustipatedinCA]

280. Could be that the other poster is not a goddamned simpleton, and realizes life is nuanced.

But that's just a guess on my part.

[beam me up scottie]

2. As a woman I stand with PP and Bernie Sanders. But I get it:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. My poll is largely innocuous, friend.

It's an antidote to the rhetorical whipping Hillary gets here

[beam me up scottie]

6. Anyone who exploits women's causes to score points on the internet isn't my friend.

[fleur-de-lisa]

8. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Strong women rock.

Strong women rock. In a cruel twist of fate my mom and I were both raised by widows, me from when I was fourteen years old, my mom from when she was nine months old.

I regret you dislike me, though.

[beam me up scottie]

17. I prefer the candidate who was always 100% pro-choice - Bernie trusts women.

Hillary supported a ban on late term abortions and pandered to anti-choice activists.

My mother taught me never to trust people who betray you for personal gain.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. Her position strikes me as reasonable

CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.


http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

Even the Supreme Court placed limits on when in the gestation period a legal abortion can occur.

[beam me up scottie]

22. Of course it does.

As a man you'll never have to make that decision so it seems reasonable to leave it up to politicians instead of women and their doctors.

And "partial birth abortion" is a right wing term.

Disgusting.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. So, you, me, and Hillary are sympatico

CLINTON: My opponent is wrong. I have said many times that I can support a ban on late-term abortions, including partial-birth abortions, so long as the health and life of the mother is protected. I’ve met women who faced this heart-wrenching decision toward the end of a pregnancy. Of course it’s a horrible procedure. No one would argue with that. But if your life is at stake, if your health is at stake, if the potential for having any more children is at stake, this must be a woman’s choice.


http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton_Abortion.htm

However, in that vein , what I italicized, even SCOTUS in Roe V Wade places limits on when abortions can occur.

[beam me up scottie]

29. No, we're not. I trust women not politicians to make our own decisions.

Posting that quote doesn't prove anything except that she'll say anything to get elected.

And that you're tone deaf.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. She said she supports late term abortions where the mother's life is in jeopardy.

She said she supports late term abortions where the mother's life or the ability to have children in the future is in jeopardy.

However Roe V Wade never conferred a right to a third trimester abortion for any reason.

[beam me up scottie]

44. You can stop lecturing me about abortions now.

This is the second time this week you've used my rights to score points on DU, we're done.

Afaic you've proven what's more important to you.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. I am not lecturing you.

This is a teachable moment. Imagine you like the Clintons and you see them trashed here on a daily basis. Empathy! How would you feel? And the ironic thing is I didn't trash anybody in this thread.

[beam me up scottie]

57. You just said this was "fun".

There is a war on women going on and you're exploiting the issue here for sport.

Damn right it's a teachable moment.

I learned quite a bit about your character this week.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

64. It is fun to tout HRC's endorsements from other progressives.

It is fun to tout HRC's endorsements from other progressives and progressive groups. It is fun to know that you are not alone. It is fun to post positive things about Hillary Clinton to balance out all the negative things that are posted about her here.

I have a stellar character. If you believe otherwise there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

[beam me up scottie]

66. It's fun for you, for women it's life and death.

Your op isn't a positive thread, it's exploitation.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. And all the threads that denigrate Hillary Clinton and her supporters...

And all the threads that denigrate Hillary Clinton and her supporters are they positive?

My favorite (sic) thread was the thread that stated Clinton supporters were Harper supporters despite their loud and impassioned protestations they weren't. Did you take umbrage at that?

[beam me up scottie]

79. So you admit you're using my rights to score points for past slights.

Glad you cleared that up.

Like I said, a teaching moment.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

82. I am applauding an endorsement from a progressive group

I am applauding an endorsement from a progressive group. It lets me know I'm not alone, I'm not a crypto-Republican, not a corporatist, not a Turd Wayer, not a paid by the post hack, or any of the pejoratives hurled at me and my friends on this board.


I/we have feelings. We hurt. We bleed. We feel bad when we are insulted.

[beam me up scottie]

83. Downthread one of your associates is accusing Douglas Carpenter of not supporting PP.

Because he won't vote in your poll, that's exactly what you had in mind when you posted it.

I'm glad you're enjoying yourself while others are having their motives impugned for not participating.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. I am going to correct him or her now.

It would nice to see Clinton supporters on this board treated with the same respect.

[Lordquinton]

245. This is a teachable moment

This is you, a man, trying to lecture a woman on her rights. That is like if you were a whate person trying to lecture a POC on their rights.

You are the one that needs to sit down and learn from a woman with way more experience in this issue than either of us. I've learned a lot from BMUS and other women here about their issues. Not ours, theirs.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

247. I didn't lecture anybody.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, ...mea culpa...I take instruction on reproductive issues from Planned Parenthood. That is why I started this thread. I am delighted with their work. I am delighted with their endorsement. If they give Ms. Clinton their seal of approval it's good enough for me.

[ieoeja]

257. That has to be one of the most blatantly misogynist posts I have seen on DU this primary.

Mansplaining why we should put restrictions on abortion to the little lady then turning around and calling it "a teachable moment"?!? WTF?

[uppityperson]

114. I support late term abortions where the mother's life is NOT in jeopardy also.

Doctors do not do late term abortions "for any reason" but there are certainly reasons beyond the life of the pregnant woman. By limiting it to that, a great disservice is done.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

130. I will defer to you. I prefer to give folks as much autonomy over their own bodies as possible./nt

[Glamrock]

132. As a man,

I have never thought those decisions should be up to anyone but the woman who's pregnant. I can't count the number of times I've told other dudes that until they can carry a child, they shouldn't even have a fucking opinion on the matter.

I realize you weren't speaking to me, just sticking up for my gender. We're not all misogynistic bastards you know.

[beam me up scottie]

133. And I thank you for your support - you get it.

Without our male allies we wouldn't be where we are now, and we need you to stand by us in the future.

[Glamrock]

141. Thank me mum

I was raised/schooled catholic. I must have been in 3rd or 4th grade when the brainwashing began. I remember coming home just horrified, "they're killing babies!" "That's not entirely true, and you are to young to understand the conversation", she said. Little Ole me just went, "oh, ok". I mean, if Mom isn't freaked out about it, why should i be? And then the little baby feet pin we were given at school was put in a drawer never to be seen again.

For the record, it didn't necessarily change my opinion at the time, but her words kept their words from solidifying into part of me personality and belief system. I was able to mature and actually think about the issue and form my own opinion. I guess you could say she put the brakes on my indoctrination.

As far as standing by a woman's choice in the future? Always have, always will.

[NurseJackie]

34. Ha!! :-D

[beam me up scottie]

36. Didn't you once say you trusted Trump more than Bernie?

NurseJackie

239. Bernie is worse in my opinion. (Good thing I won't have to vote for either one, eh?)

I was considering Bernie, but his short fuse and anger worry me. I wouldn't feel safe.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=852163

That tells me all I need to know about you.

[NurseJackie]

59. Ha!! :-D (Sarcasm tags are lame. Either you get it, or you don't.)

That tells me all I need to know about you.

That tells me all I need to know about you too!

[beam me up scottie]

61. Sure it was sarcasm, that's why you deleted almost all of your posts instead of editing them.

Too bad you forgot that one.

[Ed Suspicious]

145. Holy crap. Somebody is working way too hard at Hill-turf Inc. I can't think of any other reasonable

explanation for that.

[beam me up scottie]

146. She praised Trump for being "honest".

Things that make you go hmmm.

[R B Garr]

273. LOL. You were asking me for links yesterday, yet here

you are posting the very links you were asking me for.

I knew you saved all the threads about Bernie's Republican support. You acted confused yesterday... How dishonest to ask for links when you spam them everywhere. Busted again.

[beam me up scottie]

276. Wow, that's quite a story. Do you write other fan fiction too?

I knew you saved all the threads about Bernie's Republican support

Psssst!

Do you want to know how I "save" links? It's really complicated so pay attention, see I'm on my mobile so since it's not convenient to save thousand of bookmarks here's what I do!

Now quit stalking me, it's more than a little creepy although I am super flattered!

I've had to deal with real life stalkers so if you want to intimidate me you'll have to try another tactic.

[R B Garr]

278. So only you can spam links everywhere and not call

it stalking? Explain how that works.

The point is the antics of asking for links as a deflection when you have them already. You used a link here to attack NurseJ, yet you were asking me for the same link. You have 8000 posts in 90 days, so its hard to avoid your obsession with certain posters here.

[beam me up scottie]

279. It's disturbing how you follow me from thread to thread.

All these conspiracy theories of yours about links are more than a little weird too.

Seriously if you have issues you really need to find another way to work them out.

Following me around yammering nonsense about saving links and looking at my profile constanly is not healthy.

[R B Garr]

284. Explain why you were asking me for the very links

you used here to attack NurseJ. Why would you ask me for links when we both know you have them stashed away.

Explain why you have MaggieD's threads saved and use them to attack people.

Explain why you only you can use your saved links to attack people and it's not called stalking.

[beam me up scottie]

286. "stashed away"? Wow you are really out there and more than a little obsessed with me.

If you don't know how to use Google to find links then educate yourself, don't make up weird conspiracy theories about evil masterminds on DU.

That's just whack.

[R B Garr]

290. Explain why you using links to attack people

isn't stalking when you do it.

No one has to look at your profile to see your posts when every thread here is filled with them. Nothing wrong with noticing the obvious.

At least we've cleared up your phony exercise of asking me for links when you clearly already have them Busted again.

[beam me up scottie]

292. ...

[R B Garr]

300. So you admit you have no explanation for

asking me for links you already have except to post childish cartoons. Got it.

And you have no explanation as to why it's not stalking when you attack people with your many saved links. Got it.

[beam me up scottie]

301. Yikes! I hope you're not going to charge me rent for taking up space in your head.

[R B Garr]

307. It's all in the post count, though.

Remember I brought that up several posts ago.

Nice cartoons! Thanks for your devotion to Googling them with me in mind. How special you take the time.

[beam me up scottie]

309. It's the least I can do for my Number One Fan. Anything to keep you placated.

[R B Garr]

311. Anything to not explain why you asked me for

links you already have.

And anything to not explain why you attacking people with your many saved links is not stalking.

I would be posting cartoons too if I were you since explaining would show lack of credibility on your part.

[arely staircase]

128. Beat piece of unintentional humor today nt

[William769]

187. For once we agree on something.

I also won't support someone that writes a rape essay and can't stand anyone who would support such a person.

[beam me up scottie]

188. You mean the essay about gender stereotypes? Thanks for proving my point!

Men who exploit women's issues to score points are no friends of mine.

[jeff47]

37. And I'm the Pope. (nt)

[Ken Burch]

74. No it isn't. The title implies that you have to be an HRC supporter to "stand with PP".

Bernie has never been halfhearted on any issues involving women and reproductive choice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

159. All kinds of calumnies are perpetuated on Hillary Clinton and my friends here.

All kinds of calumnies are perpetuated on Hillary Clinton and my friends here. The front page is replete with them. Just call DemocratSinceBirth the balance.

[Ken Burch]

175. It's not a "calumny" to point out that ALL Democratic candidates are just as pro-choice as HRC.

Or to call cowshit on the idea that you have to support HRC to "stand with Planned Parenthood".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

182. I wasn't referring to that...

I would cite all the calumnies but I don't want a hide. My friends and I have been called crypto-republicans, Turd Wayers, race baiters, homophobes, and other pejoratives and when some of us have deigned to defend ourselves we have had our posts hidden.

I am just the balance.

[Ken Burch]

192. That has nothing to do with making the false equation of support for PP equalling support for HRC.

And most of what has been said about your candidate was simply fair comment. Compared to what every Clinton supporter NEW was the false accusation that Bernie didn't care about institutional racism(he had been fighting it his whole life), the comments about your candidate were trivial.

Your candidate never deserved special deference.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

194. This is interesting.

Attacks on Clinton and her supporters here are justified. Attacks on Sanders are never justified* .My favorite was the thread with over two hundred recommends that said Clinton supporters were Harper supporters and were disappointed when Trudeau's Liberal party won. Whenever a Clinton supporter decried the charge that was just taken as cause for glee because the accusation hurt.

I started a poll and not one Clinton supporter supported Harper. Speaking for myself I would rather have a stick of dynamite inserted into my rectal cavity and set off than to vote for any right of center party. But that is what my friends and i have to put up with on this board.

I'm the balance.




*I rarely, rarely, rarely... rarely attack Senator Sanders. I'm too busy touting my candidate. I just wanted to make it clear.

[ieoeja]

258. Given Hillary's support for some restrictions on abortion versus Bernie's "none of our business"...

I wouldn't say he is "just" as pro-choice as HRC. He has proven to be "more" pro-choice than HRC who says we must find common ground with abortion opponents. Presumably that common ground is shaming women who have abortions since she does engage in that particular abomination.

[cali]

154. Bull. It's ugly. And I don't cotton to anyone with a penis insinuating

that if you don't support Hillary, you don't really support abortion rights.

Mansplaining.

[morningfog]

210. Poor Hillary, lol.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

213. You can mock me all you want. I am used to it here...

If I respond in kind I will have my post hidden.

[morningfog]

214. Thanks for your permission.

So tender. So restrained. So fearful of a wittle hidey.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

217. I don't want a hide and be put on a time out like so many of my friends.

I don't want a hide and be put on a time out like so many of my friends here. If you can recommend another venue on the internet where we can speak freely I will be more than happy to have the tête-à-tête you seek with me.


Thank you in advance.

[morningfog]

218. Step up. Speak your mind. Quit pussy footing around like you have shit to say.

It's passive agression nonsense. Put up or shut up.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

220. I have to be so careful here because I don't want a hide.

I speak my mind in real life where it counts and where I can't be silenced.

[morningfog]

221. Oh you poor thing. A victim now.

Hilarious.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

223. On this board, yes, but not in real life.

In real life you can't insult and disrespect someone, get him upset, and when he responds in kind you can't alert on him and have him silenced, am I right?

[morningfog]

227. In real life, no one is enough of an asshole to

suggest I am with PP or against them based on their endorsement. That would be insulting, offensive and dishonest. I wouldn't expect it and I bet you wouldn't do it. You quest for victimhood on a message board is sad and misplaced.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

228. I asked an innocuous question...

This is the third time I am alluding to a thread that explicitly stated that Clinton supporters were also Harper supporters and were disappointed that Trudeau's Liberal party won. When a Clinton supporter earnestly decried the charge it was met with glee because the original poster made them upset. If my memory is correct it had hundreds of recommends.

That was magnitudes worse than my lil poll and the Recommends let me know what the people who recommended it think of me and my friends.

I am just providing balance.

[morningfog]

235. A bunch of silly board war nonsense. So petty, so trite.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

237. Would you like being accused of something you are not?

X-"DemocratSinceBirth, you are a Harper supporter and are disappointed Trudeau won."

DemocratSinceBirth- "Of course I supported Trudeau."

X-"Ha Ha Ha, you're mad,"


Anybody is going to be upset...

[morningfog]

253. You got hurt feelings so you put the chum on the hooks.

Repeatedly. Classy and mature.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

254. "When in Greece, do like the Greeks."

"When in Greece, do like the Greeks."

-DemocratSinceBirth

This is about the third lecture on internet etiquette I have been given in this thread. It got me to thinking why these lecturers don't have the same umbrage for the behavior they are lecturing me about when it is exhibited by those they agree with.


SMH

[morningfog]

255. That isn't a hard one to understand. And the inverse is true.

You set out flamebait to a targeted group, you get flames from that group. It's kind of a "no shit" idea, you reap what you sow.

No need to shake your head, it's basic stuff.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

256. What do you call people who decry the behavior...

What do you call people who decry the real or perceived misbehavior of those they disagree with while ignoring the perceived or real misbehavior of those they agree with ?

[morningfog]

261. Typical tribal DUers.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

269. I respect your candor./nt

[Kali]

89. yep

[CTyankee]

131. Me, as well. I want Bernie but I think PP's announcement is great.

one in five American women have used PP for their care in their lifetimes. That is one boatload of women, folks, and if we mobilize them to vote in the 2016 elections, it will have a HUGE effect.

VOTE!

[Bjornsdotter]

181. Ditto n/t

[Kentonio]

3. This is a deeply foolish endorsement, and I'd think the same if it had come for Sanders.

PP is far too deeply endangered right now to be risking any kind of ostracizing of liberal supporters. They have the backing of damn near everyone in the party, so why on earth do something like this? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

[zazen]

26. agreed, and I'd have felt that way if they had endorsed Sanders n/t

[pnwmom]

155. They might be among those who think Bernie doesn't have as good a chance in the general.

I know that's not what his many fans here think, but many others do.

We know what they'll be throwing at Hillary, and she's withstood all of it time after time. With him, it will be a new experience.

[Kentonio]

164. PP need the unwavering backing of every liberally minded person

By getting involved in internal Democratic contests like this, they run the very real risk of tarnishing their image with some Dems, right at the time when we need to unify behind them the most. I hope to hell it doesn't cause any damage, but I fear it will, and that's what makes me angry. What they do is too damn important to put at risk.

[hay rick]

226. My sentiments exactly.

I support Planned Parenthood's mission but this is reckless and irresponsible behavior on the part of their leadership. I believe that the no pre-primary endorsement strategy towers over all the other available options and the Clinton endorsement is a demonstration of incompetence.

[MeNMyVolt]

4. 100%.

ETA: This is big. Surprised I didn't see it in LBN. Thanks for posting DSB!

[Douglas Carpenter]

7. Please clarify what you mean. Do you mean, "do we stand with Planned

Parenthood in general?" Or do you mean, "do we support Planned Parenthood's endorsement of Secretary Clinton?"

[BlueCaliDem]

9. 110%. Always stand with Planned Parenthood. When my daughter didn't have insirance, they were

the place to go for her.

I'm so happy they endorse my preferred candidate!

and rec'd

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I think ensuring every child is wanted and planned for is a goal we can all get behind./nt

[BlueCaliDem]

20. My apologies for my horribly written post (so many typos!) but yes, ensuring that every child is

wanted and planned for is a noble goal we should ALL stand behind.

I'm excited that PP's first endorsement ever, is for a woman who's fought for women and children all throughout her political career. They made the best choice.

[immoderate]

11. Dumb move, Cecile.

--imm

[mnhtnbb]

14. I agree.

[randys1]

103. And yet she isnt dumb, at all. None of her moves are dumb, but this one and ONLY this one, right?

[immoderate]

106. I see no strategic or tactical gain. Do you?

Where?

--imm

[randys1]

112. Huh? PP making a tactical loss or gain? What? PP saves lives, they dont do politics other than

what they have to do to survive.

[immoderate]

122. How does this facilitate their survival?

--imm

[randys1]

123. Surely you jest. So you think Women are in danger with terrorist teapartiers and Hillary

[immoderate]

126. I think you are not making sense.

--imm

[DisgustipatedinCA]

283. Cool story, but if they "don't do politics", then why are you responding in a thread about them

...doing politics?

[randys1]

291. Why do you go out of your way to attack liberals who support the Democratic Party?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

295. I don't, but last I checked, there was a question to you pending, not to me.

[randys1]

297. What was the question?

I know it cant POSSIBLY be was I referring to voting for Hillary and not Bernie because I believe Bernie wants to kill Women

So what was it?

Since I have NEVER said I was voting for Hillary, in the first place.

this is bullshit...you can all just have a nice fucking day, sick of this shit

and BERNIE is the one losing out when you do this shit

[DisgustipatedinCA]

299. Your question is not sincere.

[randys1]

302. No, yours is not sincere, I have NO idea what the question was. But if you are purposely

not repeating something horribly offensive, knowing god damn full well my position, then smart on you


BTW, this harms Bernie, a lot.

Really does.

It goes on here all day long, is going on out in the real world.

3-5 Months ago I was actively and daily telling people about Bernie in a very excited way, much of that excitement has worn off given the terrible way certain people are acting.

It is this sick and twisted idea of Bernie or bust that I get from many folks here, really really sick and twisted, especially since Bernie would NEVER approve.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

304. Yes, I've been a terrible person for a long time.

Still, the question posed IN THE SUBJECT LINE of #283 stands.

[randys1]

306. It is a ridiculous question. Makes no sense at all

You said this

Cool story, but if they "don't do politics", then why are you responding in a thread about them

...doing politics?

in response to what I said

12. Huh? PP making a tactical loss or gain? What? PP saves lives, they dont do politics other than

what they have to do to survive.

I couldnt have been more clearer, you are now just trying to avoid the real question in this thread, not question but the allegation here that ANY of you could have for one SECOND thought I meant Bernie was the one who wanted to kill Women

You ALL know that is total BULLSHIT,

[DisgustipatedinCA]

308. Actually, I was trying to get an answer from you. I'll stop doing that--it's not productive.

You don't know me if you think I try to avoid questions. I'm not afraid of your questions, and I don't shy away from them. Don't try to imprint your ways on me; I'm not you.

Now that we've established that you're not going to answer my question, go ahead with this burning question that I'm running away from. You'll get a straight answer--not because you deserve it, but because I'm going to show you how straight answers are given. Fire away.

[randys1]

310. AGain, you are making a ridiculous statement. I copy and pasted what I said,

everyone can read it, that you even bothered to use that comment of mine to try and make an argument, is revealing.

I expect this treatment elsewhere, not on an alleged liberal message board.


Oh wait, maybe you disagree with the comment you seem to have so much trouble with, which was

Huh? PP making a tactical loss or gain? What? PP saves lives, they dont do politics other than

what they have to do to survive.

Which part of my comment, that you have so much trouble with, do you disagree with?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

312. Can we please get to your question--the one I'm avoiding?

Planned Parenthood just "did" politics, as is their right. But to say they don't do politics is just incorrect. Please do move on to the burning question you've said I'm avoiding.

[ieoeja]

259. Hillary famously keeps lists of supporters, opponents and neutrals.

Should she get elected those neutrals will find themselves out in the cold.

On the other hand, Bernie's PP and pro-choice support has been absolute and unwavering. And he does not take politics personally. So there is no downside in supporting Hillary over Bernie, but there is in remaining neutral.

[sarge43]

147. Yes. Planned Parenthood should stay politically neutral

This just gives more ammunition to the Repugs.

I'd say the same if she had come out for Sanders.

[Sheepshank]

225. Not sure any Republican needs an excuse to gut PP

BUT Planned Parenthood has a voice, to try and encourage Democrats to vote for the likely most probable POTUS. There are a lot of people who understand the issues, and appeasing Republicans really isn't it.

[restorefreedom]

13. interesting play on words

ALL dem candidates strongly support pp
PP chose to endorse one candidate for its own reasons, that is their choice but
one can support the mission of pp AND support ANY of dem candidates.

the insinuation that by supporting Om or sanders, one is not "standing with" pp is false and unfair.

C'mon, DSB. you don't need to waste your time with this partisan crap.

[restorefreedom]

21. i just hate to see smart and passionate people

get bogged down in this crap. we can disagree without playing funky word games with the truth

[beam me up scottie]

25. Yes, it's all a game to some folks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. It is an innocuous poll.

And as I upthread it's an antidote to all the invective and vitriol hurled at Ms. Clinton on the board.

[restorefreedom]

31. polls are fine. but the wording is unfairly suggestive

endorsing or supporting hrc is not a requirement to "stand with" pp, all the dems stand with them.

a simple "what do you think" could have kicked off a discussion without suggestiong that the supporters of sanders and om are not with pp, just my two cents.

as far as the vitriol, there is certainly too much to go around, in all directions, imo

have a nice day, dsb!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. I will eschew the highfalutin language and just use colloquialisms.

With all the crap that HRC and her supporters gets on this board why begrudge me some fun.

[beam me up scottie]

63. "why begrudge me some fun"

Glad to see this issue is fun for you.

Unfortunately women don't have that luxury.

[restorefreedom]

204. ouch. on point, though. nt

[beam me up scottie]

207. The op is pitting women against each other for "fun".

Smh.

[restorefreedom]

208. irony certainly has its place,

but since all the dems are on top of this issue, the whole discussion is insane. clearly pp is posturing for favor "when" their candidate gets elected.

they, imo, started the ball rolling of women against women. it won't be a popular opinion, but i am just in that kind of mood to say it.

edit.. and op's like this definitely do not help. agreed.

[beam me up scottie]

209. Yeah it's disappointing.

I don't know why I expected anything different, either from PP or DU.

[restorefreedom]

215. we have to remember, as bernie said on larry wilmore last night

running against the establishment tends to garner enemies and piss people off. i am paraphrasing, but that was clearly the sentiment.

a big hill, and bernie and all of us knew it. but people fricking get up everest and k2 every year. we are gonna do this.

[restorefreedom]

78. hey, no highfalutin stuff from me, just a regular poliwonk here

and there is definitely a lot of crap flying around these days in all directions. only om and his supporters seem to be able to steer clear of it

as for fun, have at it if it works for you! perhaps elaine can kick things off


https://m.

[cali]

157. How male. Having fun over abortion. SHAME

[ieoeja]

260. Upthread explains to a woman why restrictions on abortion is good then calls it "a teachable moment"

He is hitting bottom of the barrel on this thread.

[cali]

263. Truly.

[progressoid]

270. Innocuous and fun. That's how you see this?

There is nothing innocuous or fun about this.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

271. There was nothing innocuous and fun about...

There was/is nothing innocuous and fun about all the all the attacks on Hillary Clinton and her supporters on this board either. The selective outrage is manifest.



Oh, some times a poll is just a poll.

[cui bono]

201. +1

This OP is nothing more than an attempt to smear Bernie supporters as anti-PP.

What a disgrace.

.

[restorefreedom]

206. and seeing how bernie has been a CHAMPION of women's issues of health and fairness,

no one will believe it has anything to do with him.

all the dems are on top of this. mistake by pp imo

[randys1]

108. It frames the problem, perfectly. If she is the nominee, you either stand with PP or you dont

[JonLeibowitz]

134. She is not currently the nominee; that is why everyone here has a problem with the poll.

[randys1]

137. The poll is obnoxious and meant to cause this reaction, for sure.

But it made it very clear to anyone that it would be very difficult if not impossible to claim you support PP and not vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

[JonLeibowitz]

139. Sure, no question. Since we're in primary season that hardly seems the point now though.

[cui bono]

203. She's not the nominee. It doesn't frame anything perfectly at all.

It is a clear attempt to smear Bernie supporters as anti-PP by asking a loaded question that doesn't not provide context or room for explanation.

.

[randys1]

267. I almost agree with you, therefore, IF Bernie is NOT the nominee, do you STAND with PP?

[cui bono]

275. I'll always stand with PP and I will keep donating to them. And...

I will always disagree with this endorsement of theirs and pretty much disagree with them making one at all, I think, since it's stated that this is their first ever. It initially gives me the feeling they did it just because Hillary is a woman.

.

[okasha]

166. Planned Parenthood's own reasons

I'm sure, include.

1. The certain knowledge that any Republican President will sign a bill vetoing PP funding; and

2, A realistic assessment of which Democratic candidate is likely to win the 2016 nomination, and, also likely,

3, A greater trust in a woman President that she will do her damnedest to protect women's reproductive rights rather than "agree to disagree" to court Republicans

This issue is not one on which women's advocates can take a chance.

[restorefreedom]

179. its not unreasonable

agree on #1 although i doubt the defunding will stick

disagree on #2 but i understand why they think so

i can understand #3.... any prochoice woman has a visceral connection to the issue that men could not possibly understand. but as male candidates go, bernie and martin are ones i trust completely to do everything hillary would do to protect women's health and rights.

their option to endorse as they see fit..my issue was with the subtle op suggestion that supporting either om or sanders is not standing with pp...they all do imo

[BlueMTexpat]

15. Absolutely, positively 150% or so. eom

[Number23]

18. That is absolutely massive. Absolutely huge

And will get alot of attention after the attacks on clinics including the one just a month ago.

[Hoyt]

27. Oh darn, Clinton will be beholden to Planned Parenthood for their support.

Do I need sarcasm thingy?

[comradebillyboy]

91. Well they are Oligarchs after all.../s

[msrizzo]

30. Geez I know we all want all the endorsements for our candidates

But Hillary has been out front with her support of Planned Parenthood way more than any of the other candidates. This makes total sense. It is one of her big, key #1 issues. You can't honestly say that about the other two candidates, although they can't be faulted for their support.

[Gothmog]

32. This is a major endorsement

[Douglas Carpenter]

33. Again, please clarify what you mean. Do you mean, "Do we stand with Planned

Parenthood in general?" Or do you mean, "Do we agree with and support Planned Parenthood's endorsement of Secretary Clinton?"

[ProudToBeLiberal]

38. Stop trying to wiggle out of the question. Do you stand with Planned Parenthood? nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

41. Again, please clarify what you mean. Do you mean, "Do we stand with Planned

1. Parenthood's in general? Or do you mean?

2. Do we agree with Planned Parenthood's endorsement of Hillary Clinton and also support Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination?"


I agree with Number 1. I support and stand with Planned Parenthood in general.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

45. Planned Parenthood does a lot of good work. Do you stand with them? nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

50. I stand with Planned Parenthood.

ON a separate issue - I support Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States.

Is that good enough?

[ProudToBeLiberal]

60. So, how did you vote? nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

73. I voted pass. Because, it was unclear to me what was the question?

Were we being asked?

A. Do we stand with Planned Parenthood?

or

B. Do we support Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination for President?


If someone could simply clarify what they are asking - it would be a lot easier to give an answer.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

81. You passed on supporting Planned Parenthood? Are we on a Democratic site? nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

84. What is the question and please stop playing dumb?

I stand with Planed Parenthood and their mission and support them.

On a completely separate issue - I stand with Senator Sanders for the Democratic Nomination for President of the United States and support him.

There is nothing complicated about that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. Let us join in saying Mr. Carpenter should be free to answer any way he wants.

As I understand it he stands with Planned Parenthood but not with Hillary Clinton. That's his prerogative.

[Douglas Carpenter]

99. Thank you and that is correct in what you said.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

100. Folks are free to answer my poll any way they want.

I re-read my question:

In its first endorsement ever, Planned Parenthood endorses Hillary Clinton. Do you stand with them?

It is just as easy to assume it is a loaded question as not.

A simple answer is "I support (stand with) Planned Parenthood but I don't support (stand with) Hillary Clinton.

I would be disingenuous if I didn't say as a HRC supporter I think this is huge. And as to my motivation there are motivations for everything.

[randys1]

127. It is an obnoxious question, I will give you that. But it does frame an issue in a way I

had not thought of.

If Hillary is the nominee, either you stand with PP or you dont, not you personally but you know what I mean.

[uppityperson]

120. Are you seriously harassing him for not voting as you want on an unclear poll which you refuse to

clarify?

[Maedhros]

152. Alright, enough is enough.

People asked for clarification of the question, and your response is "Just answer the question!"?

Your posts have descended into an unintended mockery of yourself.

I encourage everyone to put you on their ignore list, as I am doing, because you present nothing of value in your posts and are clearly just here to antagonize.

Bye.

[uppityperson]

119. What do you mean, "stand with"? Where are they standing? They aren't in my livingroom

so I can't stand with them. I donate money to them, have volunteered with them, worked for similar programs, so stand with their providing services. Or do you mean stand with their endorsement?

Doing a quick look around, nope, still not PP standing in my living room.

[cui bono]

200. Getting clarification on what one is answering is now "trying to wiggle out"?

Why are you being so hostile and accusatory? Surely you understand that context is very important, don't you?

.

[m-lekktor]

49. He's been playing passive aggressive with these endorsment polls all week.

anybody who answers no to this slippery poll question is accused of not supporting planned parenthood in general by the Hillary supporters if the person doesn't support planned parenthood's endorsement of Hillary. They are trying to fuse the two different things as one issue. I don't dignify his bullshit by participating in the poll.

[beam me up scottie]

58. ^^^THIS^^^

[cali]

160. + a whole bunch

[morningfog]

211. That's his tro-- schtick.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

35. This is huge news. If Bernie got this endorsement, his supporters would be crowing and ecstatic.

So far, Hillary Clinton has gotten the endorsement from NARAL, Emily List, NOW, and Planned Parenthood. Is there any other major pro woman groups out there that haven't endorsed yet?

[Kentonio]

70. I wouldn't be crowing or ecstatic, I'd be just as angry as I am right now.

[DFW]

39. Yes, and No

I absolutely stand with Planned Parenthood, and I adore Cecile.

On the other hand, I have not endorsed any candidate with my vote (or promise thereof), and will not do so until I'm good and ready.

Interestingly enough, I just met yesterday with a good friend who happens to be editor of The Nation (I'm in NYC for a few days), which openly supports Bernie. She is good friends with Cecile, who supports (apparently) Hillary. But this just mirrors what I have seen almost everywhere outside of DU: Hillary supporters and Bernie Supporters get along fine and amicably agree to disagree, and universally (again, except on DU) acknowledge that they will support the Democratic nominee, whoever it is. The brutal (un-)civil war of words seems to be confined (thankfully) to the DU teapot.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

43. Your heart is with Hillary, but you just don't want to disappoint Jim Dean. I get it. nt

[MeNMyVolt]

54. That's not Fair.

Based on my years of reading DFW, that's not how he rolls.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

62. Ok, maybe it's unfair, but I just wish he finally choose a side.

We and Hillary Clinton could use his support.

[MeNMyVolt]

68. I strongly support HRC, but I get that some people like them both equally, more or less.

I understand where you're coming from though. Always welcome more supporters.

[DFW]

313. I understand your sentiments, but request my neutrality be respected

You flatter me by hinting that my voice would actually make a difference on this board.

The problem for me is that neither Bernie nor Hillary has addressed certain issues that concern me greatly, and that is what I have been waiting for before adding my most insignificant of endorsements. Should that not be forthcoming from either of them in the next few months, I will make a decision one way or the other before the Texas primary.

In the meantime, I think Hillary will survive just fine without my expressed support, as will Bernie. If it makes you feel any better, I was banned from the Bernie group for inadvertently posting there. So, anything favorable I would have had to say about Bernie will not be showing up to plague you on DU

[DFW]

315. I forgot to thank you for this

I roll my own way, really don't need to be guided in any particular direction--even been known to think for myself every now and then.

[DFW]

69. My heart is still with Howard. Get that.

No one I'm close to or really want is running this time. I'm not sure you get that. Howard was my wish-candidate in 2004, and still is. No one of his caliber has run since. That's why I don't care if Bernie or Hillary wins the nomination. Either way, I don't get my first choice. I can handle that--a lot better than a lot of people on here, I'll bet. I won't yell and scream when my man (or woman) doesn't get the nomination, because I already know it isn't gong to happen.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

104. Dr. Dean must be a great man to have earned such loyalty from you./nt

[DFW]

222. Howard is a personal friend. It's not my place to tell anyone else to call him great just for that.

But he HAS earned that loyalty from me, you are quite right. My respect, too. Once I say that about someone, he or she would need to to sink low indeed for me to want to dissolve that friendship or lose that respect. I KNOW a lot of people. I am friends with few.

[m-lekktor]

42. I stand with Planned Parenthood on everything except their Hillary endorsement.nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

46. +1000 -- Exactly!!

[ProudToBeLiberal]

48. It's a simple pool. There is no need to qualify your answer. How did you vote? nt

[uppityperson]

125. I'm surprised you didn't know you can check for yourself

There is a place to click under every poll that says "Show usernames".
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=980808#

[ProudToBeLiberal]

136. Wow, Thank you. I never knew this. Thanks again :). nt

[cui bono]

205. Of course there is a need to qualify your answer. Unless you want to make Bernie supporters look bad

I'm guessing by your posts in this thread you are on board with that.

.

[Eric J in MN]

138. Me too. NT

NT

[Karma13612]

234. +100 to the 10th power!. Eom

[tularetom]

51. I support the mission and purpose of Planned Parenthood, but you are simply being disingenuous here

IMO, PP has made a serious tactical error by endorsing anyone. They are on very thin ice to begin with, under fire by a large portion of the population and crucified in the mass media. They can ill afford to alienate half of their remaining supporters, particularly by endorsing a candidate who will not hesitate to stab them in the back if it suits her political ambition to do so.

[yallerdawg]

75. I support the mission and purpose of Planned Parenthood. Period.

I don't give a shit who they endorse.

This seems to be a real problem for Bernie supporters. Frankly, it's a bit scary and off-putting.

[fredamae]

53. Why do you ask? n/t

[NurseJackie]

55. This is BIG!! That really says a LOT!! ~ Congratulations to Hillary! She's got MY vote!!

[mhatrw]

56. Bad plan. nt

[Gamecock Lefty]

65. Super News!

Fortunately all our Dem candidates support choice.

But when NARAL came out a few days ago with their support for Hillary, one of the Bernie posters (I could not reply because I was banned) made a snide remark about NARAL doing it because they felt ‘pressure ‘ to do so! In other words Hillary was making them endorse her or else.

I wonder if that same person will make a comment about this endorsement???

Make American Even Greater – Elect Hillary!!!

[Ken Burch]

67. You don't have to support PP's endorsement of the conservative candidate to stand with PP.

A Sanders Administration would be just as strong on choice as HRC...more so, in fact, since progressives are almost always more pro-choice than "moderates".

[2pooped2pop]

71. wtf do u mean do I stand with them?

In your mind does supporting pp mean u support who they endorse? Hell no I don't support hillary and I think pp has made a foolish choice.
Killer Mike endorsed Bernie. If you don't support Bernie does that mean you hate black people?
What a childish way to post.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. You are free to start your own poll.

As to your insults of me:

What a childish way to post.

I refuse to respond in kind.

Love
DSB

[2pooped2pop]

92. Bernie says ypu shouldn't drown kittens. Do you stand with him

See how thar's done and why it is silly?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

96. I stand with him in that instance, without reservation.

[2pooped2pop]

98. yet you still can't see why this type of post is silly?

K then. You have a good day.

[mindwalker_i]

72. This post is another attempt to badger people into supporting Hillary

The explicit link is that if you don't support Hillary, you must not support PP and therefore, you are a mysogynist. People have refused to play the little game and have stated their positions clearly, yet the author of the OP keeps trying to badger them into supporting their narrow view that one has to support Hillary or they hate women.

Big, fat, steaming pile of shit.

[djean111]

77. You nailed it, exactly.

The attempt to spin not supporting Hillary into not supporting Planned Parenthood is pathetic. But not surprising.
Goes into the trash with the "if you don't support Hillary you hate or are afraid of women" bullshit.
Kind of insulting, really. Either they are that dumb, or they think I am.

[mindwalker_i]

85. And this adds fuel to the argument that people are only voting for Hillary

because she's female. There is a very explicit link in this OP between a vote for Hillary and a vote for women. Thing is, I agree that it would be a good idea to have a female president. It's just that Hillary's negatives swamp that out, and Bernie's positives also swamp that out.

This whole OP goes against the pleas that people claim thay aren't voting for Hillary becuase she's a women.

[azmom]

144. +1000000

[sheshe2]

80. This is a Huge Endorsement

“Everything Planned Parenthood has believed in and fought for over the past 100 years is on the ballot,” said Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood.

Thank you, DSB. Yes I do stand with Planned Parenthood.

[NCTraveler]

90. This is huge for me.

Great endorsement and PP is a blessing.

[leftofcool]

94. This is a fantastic endorsement for Hillary!

[oasis]

97. First endorsement ever shows the importance of having a Democrat in the WH.

Hillary will validate their wise choice.

[tammywammy]

101. That's a big deal for Planned Parenthood to endorse.

I really respect Cecile Richards. No one can forget this memorable performance

[central scrutinizer]

107. Yes! Donated $300 to PP and $750 to Bernie Sanders

Don't see any contradiction there

[MeNMyVolt]

118. Nope. n/t

[cali]

113. More bullying mansplaining from you. Ugh.

As if you care.

[el_bryanto]

115. I do not.

But boy do I love these opportunities to show what a bad Democrat I am for supporting Bernie Sanders.

Bryant

[MoonRiver]

121. I don't think you are a bad Democrat!

We simply have made different choices for the Democratic primary. You and I are the good people as opposed to that car full of clowns.

[mcar]

116. Wow!

[arely staircase]

117. Hell yeah!

Go PP!
Go HRC!

[Starry Messenger]

124. Wow! That's awesome!

Love Richards.

[okasha]

171. Miss Ann's daughter.

Her mama raised her right.

[Starry Messenger]

177. And she kicked all the ass in the PP hearings this year.

She does her mom proud!

[jillan]

140. I stand with Planned Parenthood but I am a Bernie supporter. Whatever.

Bernie, Hillary and Martin will all fight for Planned Parenthood.

Honestly it kind of pisses me off, but it is what it is and I will continue to fight for PP.

[liberalnarb]

142. I Stand With Planned Parenthood. I don't stand with this decision.

I don't appreciate the title of this thread. "Do you stand with them?" I have stood with PP all throughout the repukelican bullshit fest when they tried to defund it. I still stand with Planned Parenthood. Do I stand with this decision? No, I don't. Do I think they should have endorsed Bernie? No, I don't. I think they should have a least waited to the general to make an endorsement. Of course they should stand behind Democrats all the way, considering the repukes hate them and think they are evil. cough* cought* carly. But they shouldn't have done this. I'm not bashing Hillary, I'm disappointed. We have three wonderful candidates who strongly support women's rights and all stand with Planned Parenthood. They should not have made this endorsement.

[Blue_In_AK]

143. I stand with Planned Parenthood and Bernie Sanders.

[one_voice]

148. K&R

I stand with Planned Parenthood!

[NRaleighLiberal]

149. another Rovian push poll. Yes to PP. Yes to Bernie. Yes to Hillary if she is the eventual nominee

but if, and until then, Bernie. and, always, PP.

[stupidicus]

150. what an insulting question

what, you mean you can't have objections to their endorsement of HC while maintaining support for their mission?

[NCTraveler]

151. I hope there is a feed where we can watch on Sunday. Nt

[treestar]

163. Great endorsement

[lovemydog]

170. I voted yes because I support Planned Parenthood

and its decision-making.

My State's primary isn't until June and I don't yet know how I'll vote in it.

I love voting and will vote for candidates who support strengthening the Affordable Care Act, and continuing and increasing funding for Planned Parenthood.

[still_one]

173. I am amazed at some of the comments in this thread, such as Planned Parenthood should remain

apolitical and above all this.

I dare say that if the endorsement was not directed toward Hillary, but toward one of the other Democratic candidates, the comment, "they should remain apolitical" would not have even been suggested.

In fact, I venture that the posts decrying foul here would be throwing slings and arrows toward Hillary, and why the endorsement is significant.

I enjoy being in a glass house.

[William769]

174. Very telling and somehing we already knew. nt

[Gloria]

185. The right thing to do

EOM

[Autumn]

186. I stand with Planned Parenthood, always have, But not with this endorsement of Hillary.

I have no problem liking one and and disliking the other.

[George II]

189. Unbelievable that on DU there are 57 who voted "No", no doubt because PP endorsed Clinton.

[cali]

219. Fail. I voted because of the twisted way the question was asked. I don't stand with her. Ever.

Oh I'll vote for that corrupt person, but I don't stand with unethical dishonest pols.

[progressoid]

272. Depends what is meant by "no".

No, I don't stand with PP's endorsement.

or

No, I don't stand with PP.

[cui bono]

197. Unbelievable that some people can't understand the difference between standing with an organization

and standing with their endorsement.

.

[cui bono]

199. After perusing comments in this thread, I've come to see how far DU has fallen

from when I joined.

So childish and petty. OPs that are not written to open a dialogue, just spewed out without thinking in order to try to score political points. Twisting words and ideas in order to try to smear anyone who dares support another candidate.

I hope I grow strong enough to break this sick addiction I have to reading DU. It's a sickness to be sure. At least I won't be spending anymore money on it.

.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

212. I like you

So, don't let them keep you down. Keep up the good fight. Keep your head up .

[underthematrix]

202. I stand with Planned Parenthood's endorsement and

I stand with PP always.

[Sheepshank]

216. I stand with planned parenthood...and Hillary

Knowing her decades long fight for women's issues, her speaking out, charity, and political push, her recent interview with Tweety, where she spoke with so much heartfelt emotion on women's issues, it's clear to me there is no comparison with how Hillary understands women's issues vs. Bernie. No comparison at all. Granted I can't quite get past Bernie's essays, but even without that, he just doesn't need to internalize women's issues the way Hillary does to truly get it.

[BlueJazz]

229. I'll stand by them but I feel like somebody I've liked just killed somebody and drank a glass...

...of "Stupidest mother fuckers in the world"

[williesgirl]

230. In fact, I'm changing my monthly donation to NARAL

Because of this endorsement.

[SunSeeker]

231. K & R

[YoungDemCA]

232. Women's rights are under assault...maybe having a *woman* as President is more urgent than ever?

And not just any woman, but one who has been at the forefront of women's issues for decades?

Just a thought.

Of course I stand with Planned Parenthood.

[Hekate]

236. I will ALWAYS stand with Planned Parenthood.

[Karma13612]

238. Wonder if PP will stand w/Bernie

If he is the nominee.

I stand with PP as an organization.
I Stand with Bernie.

I think PP made a big mistake with their endorsement of Hillary.

[KentuckyWoman]

239. I support Planned Parenthood in the services they provide, but will vote Bernie in primaries.

That said, if Hillary gets the nod I will vote for her because of the alternative.

Either way my support for what Planned Parenthood does medical care wise and fighting for their legal right to do it will not waver.

[DesertRat]

240. Yes!

[ismnotwasm]

241. An historic endorsement

Of course I stand with panne Parenthood AND Hillary

[aikoaiko]

242. Its not like you're either with HRC or against Planned Parenthood.

[beam me up scottie]

243. But you have to choose, just like Dubya said: you're either with the terrists or agin em.

And obviously if you're not with Hillary you're a terrorist.

Or something.

[TSIAS]

244. No

I agree with the reasoning of most of the NO votes in this poll. I think it's clear the OP was trying to get his jollies out of riling up people, and it seems like that's exactly what happened.

[NCTraveler]

246. Went to bed happy about this.

Woke up happy about it. It's a great time to be a Democrat.

[eridani]

248. Hell no! She found the fake videos "disturbing"

That is a level of wussiness that pro choice advocates really don't need.

[TransitJohn]

249. I support Planned Parenthood, even if they endorse a corporatist

I voted no.

[Amimnoch]

251. Cure the 'Bern' 2016

[cali]

252. Silly stuff. Bernie doesn't use weasel words on abortion rights, unlike Hill.

[morningfog]

262. Well that is one dumb ass meme. Embarrassing really in its ignorance.

[Uben]

264. Why do these non-profit orgs think they have to endorse a candidate?

Once they do, they run the risk of alienating a portion of their membership like MoveOn did in 2008. Why not just vow to support the nominee once selected? If PP endorses Clinton, I'm no longer donating to them, just like I no longer donate to MoveOn for endorsing Obama. Don't really give a shit what you think about my decision, it's mine! I'm not a Bernie supporter unless he wins the nomination, then he has my full support. Same for Clinton.

NPs should stick to the basics and stay out of the primaries. Why risk alienating supporters? I can see no gain by endorsements of primary candidates for non-profits. I may be totally wrong, but hey, I do what I want to do, not what someone else wants me to do.

[R B Garr]

274. K&R, great thread!

Planned Parenthood is a huge endorsement.

[Gothmog]

285. I just sent another contribution to PP

[Proserpina]

303. IMHO, they had no business making any kind of pledge of support before a primary chosen candidate

and the fact that they did shows how corrupt the process has become.