No longer on the fence

[awake]

I have been on the fence and asking questions on this site this last week looking for answers that would help me decide whom I should support, the feed back has been very helpful most of the feedback has been thoughtful. A post today has helped me make up my mind

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128091263

The post had a link to this article
Link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/29/politics/bernie-sanders-on-a-plane/

[99th_Monkey]

1. Congratulations on a great choice! n/t

[awake]

2. Thank you

I am looking forward to seeing Bernie bringing us together

[CorporatistNation]

42. Bernie Will Be The Great Uniter and A Man Of History!

[beam me up scottie]

3. Welcome to the light side!

We have cookies:

[Hiraeth]

24. !

[Rosa Luxemburg]

41. I love those cookies!

Great idea for a house party!

[beam me up scottie]

77. I do too!

The kid's got skills!

[Buzz Clik]

4. You came HERE for answers and based your decision on what you read?

[awake]

5. Yes "BuzzClik"

Reading some of your responses to my questions help me know that not everyone on this site takes this election as seriously as I do.
Have fun and enjoy yourself

[Buzz Clik]

6. Thank you, "awake."

[ucrdem]

8. Your profile says 9% of your total posts have been in the Sanders group.

That's kind of a lot for someone on the fence.

[awake]

10. I have posted in the Hillary group

but was Locked out when I suggested that going after another candidates family would not be helpful to Hillary

I offen post to others posts based on what is listed on the "Latest Threads" or "Greatest Threads" with out taking note of what group the OP was started in.

[fasttense]

25. Yup same thing happened to me

I don't look at which forum the post is in. I just respond to lastest and best posts. I got banned on the Hillary forum for daring to suggest presidential power is NOT for conservatives only.

When I dare asked one of the host of the Hillary forum why she banned me, she ridiculed me and laughed at me. She made a big old joke about me wanting to know why I was banned. First time in 14 years that I've ever been banned on DU.

Anyway Hillary supporters will ban you and ridicule you just because. So I'm never, ever going to vote for that woman or any of her minions, even if she gets the Democratic nomination. Before they banned me and ridiculed me, I might have.

Bullies are there own worse enimies.

[ish of the hammer]

26. making a decision about a candidate based on how the supporters act on

the intertubes is pretty shallow - which i am sure was your point, fasttense.
thanks for pointing it out.

[fasttense]

31. That is merely your opinion with no facts to support your assertion

I on the other hand have facts to prove a definitive attitude among Hillary supporters on the internet or on the television or in other public forums.

Bullies are their own worse enimies. They turn possible supporters into enimies.

I will never vote for Hillary because her supporters in any venue are well like her. Make assertions without regard to facts.

[ish of the hammer]

35. politics over personality is why I support Sanders-

but you are correct - some of Clintons supporters are not nice.

[Duval]

55. I also noticed. Thank heavens for "Ignore"! eom

[fasttense]

91. Yeah, I guess I'm going to have to use ignore for the first time in 14 years. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

79. That's the biggest Hillary meme

"We won't vote for Sanders cuz his supporters!1!!"

[thesquanderer]

38. Yes, it's amazingly easy to get banned from the HRC group (n/t)

[Scootaloo]

56. You're not missing much. Just trash the group.

They tend to cross-post everything in GDP and the AA forum anyway, so

[Buzz Clik]

60. My sig line got me banned from the Bernie group.

I will likely vote for him in our primary, but being locked out of a DU echo chamber is no great loss.

[artislife]

64. Are you sure it wasn't your sparkling personality?

I haven't been banned by the h group.

But I have never posted in it.

And I stopped scanning it.

Actually, it is like that tree in the forrest that no ones hears.

[Buzz Clik]

85. I assume my banning was because the snowflakes ...

... cannot abide criticism about their precious.

By the way, you cannot be blocked from a group where you never post.

[artislife]

88. Right. why would I post cap in another protected group?

That is what the GDP is for. But some people like to make a mess in someone else's house. I think they should be shown the door.

[fasttense]

92. I disagree. I think banning is the coward's way out

They don't have to even tell the person why. If that isn't cowardly, I don't know what is. I don't agree with Buzz Kill, er click er what ever, very often but banning is cowardly. If I could change the policy I would make it a requirement that you can't ban a person without a fair and impartial reason.

I got banned because I thought power was NOT a conservative thing. And then the Hillary group founder ridiculed me about asking why I got banned. I think yeah if you are going to be inappropriate you should get banned but if you merely want to talk about the perception that power is conservative that should NOT be the bases for your being banned.

Anyway, if you were a RepubliCON and wanted to make a mess of DU, you would start a forum and arbitrarily ban people. Since almost 80 percent of DU members are Bernie supporters, starting a Hillary group then arbitrarily banning people would be a good way to create chaos and piss everyone off. I suspect something like this is now going on.

[artislife]

93. I think that people like to be banned

Look at how they think it is a badge of honor.

Like this is the highest achievement to get. It just tells me how little they do in real life if they get off on being banned.

I think the GDP is where to hash out any debate. The only way I don't get upset by what is posted in any group I am not associated with is by not reading it. I used to read the AA group, because as a Latina I felt some kinship with them. My people's struggle in not the same or as hostile as theirs is, but they really help us all by being so pro active. I found, imo that it was filled with a huge anti Bernie sentiment, so I thought better of posting there with my avatar. I posted less than four times and it was very respectful of the group. I was a guest.

The Hillary group is out of bounds for me. Why would I even want to argue a point there? I believe in spaces for like minded people to gather and talk amongst themselves. If you want to read and learn what they think, go ahead. But it is like going into the Atheist group (I am an atheist) and arguing about our lack of faith in a Christian God. We get it, there are Christians out there. We want to hang out and talk without defending.

So if you behave badly according to the host, you get shown the door. It is their house.

[merrily]

73. I would never have guessed from your posts that you planned to vote for Bernie.

The disconnect between the way some posters post and their statements about their voting plans is just amazing.

[modestybl]

78. I was also banned from the HRC group

... based on nothing but pointing out her record. They have a weak candidate and they know despite all the institutional and super PAC backing.

[LiberalLovinLug]

86. I did the same

Didn't notice I was in the Hillary Group. Just posted what I thought was quite a moderate post on how we should all get along. Maybe it was my sig image.

They are quite a frightened little group of circled wagons in there.

[Dragonfli]

87. You can get banned from the Hillary group if your dog farts next to you on the couch

Don't take it too hard, they ban anyone that doesn't post fan mail as if it were discussion.

[Nonhlanhla]

14. Why do you find it necessary to doubt the OP?

It is not necessary to doubt someone's integrity based on a cursory glance at their posting history. Someone did that to me when I finally got off the fence and decided for Hillary, and I just find it so unnecessary to attack people and basically accuse them of lying. What is the purpose of that?

To the OP, when I got off the fence I went the other direction, but I'm glad for you that you made your choice. Go vote with a clear conscience and may we all unite next November behind the winning candidate so we can kick some Republican ass!

[awake]

17. Thank you for your thoughts

After hearing HRC handle the Republicans 9 hours of throwing crap at her I knew she could handle the job if she gets it.
We have a long time before next November and I too hope that whom ever wins our primary we will all be able to get behind them.
Good Luck

[Yallow]

62. Thanks For Reminding Me About That Committee Circus Awake

I am a Bernie Guy but I like Hillary, and Bill.

They made mistakes, but are real good people.

The Republican attacks that family has had to endure turns my stomach.

Someday I will make a top 10 list of reasons why I hate ALL Republicans.

Their flying monkey attacks on the Clintons is in the top 5.

[ish of the hammer]

68. what's the first thing taught in law school?

never ask a question you don't already know the answer to.
so an entire committee full of lawyers and staff with assistant lawyers with months to prepare
9 hrs worth of questions and they ALL forgot the first thing taught in law school?
I don't know what's worse - to believe that it actually happened, or that it really actually did happen!
either way, it says a lot about the level of governance in this good ole usa.

[TM99]

7. Well, it is obvious why Sanders was chosen.

There are lots of posts on policies, positions, speeches, and his history.

On the other side, there are memes, neoliberal talking points, and attacks on Sanders supporters.

[Buzz Clik]

9. True. HRC has no political history.

[TM99]

16. Oh, yes, she has a political history alright.

It is full of lies, scandals, being on the wrong side of social and historical issues, pandering, and neoconservative war mongering.

I guess when you have to decide whether to justify and support that or attack your opponents and their supporters, we know which has been chosen here at DU.

[Buzz Clik]

30. Yes, nothing but lies. Ask any DU Bernie supporter.

[TM99]

32. Which of those things that I mentioned were lies?

Please be specific with sources cited. Thanks.

[BeanMusical]

45. ...

[Ikonoklast]

72. You are asking a poster whose entire history here has been shit-stirring.

Just for the sake of it.

A real Democrat that can take all sides of an issue.

And hate every side.

A real low flyer.

[TM99]

75. Oh, I know exactly who I am asking.

I also know I will not get any answers either.

[Buzz Clik]

89. Do you not read your own posts?

I'll refresh your memory:

Oh, yes, she has a political history alright.

It is full of lies, scandals, the wrong side of social and historical issues, pandering, and neoconservative war mongering.

I guess when you have to decide whether to justify and support that or attack your opponents and their supporters, we know which has been chosen here at DU.

The "lies" to which I'm referring are the so-called "lies" in your post!

Not only are you deeply hypocritical and unintentionally ironic within your own posts, you cannot remember what you posted. Then, you have the bizarre audacity to dare me to justify your words.

I cannot decide whether to laugh or weep, recognizing that this is our base.

[TM99]

90. Obviously you don't.

And instead of replying as requested, you bloviate instead.

1) Clinton has a history of lying from Chelsea at 9/11 to Bosnian sniper to the 'loss' of the Rose Law Firm documents.

2) Clinton has a history of scandals from Whitewater to her husband's affairs to having an email server in her personal residence.

3) Clinton was on the wrong side of history with regards to LGBT civil rights. She supported DADT & DOMA. She said marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman. This only changed in 2013, a mere two years ago.

4) Her social networking campaign this year is full of pandering from Rosa Parks logos to mi Abuela to fucking Kwanza logos.

5) She supports the neocon agendas from her cheerleading for Bush's Iraq War to the 'lets attack Iran' amendment support to her 'we came, we saw, he died' Libyan policies to her 'regime change' in Syria.

So I ask you again, which of these are lies. None of them. So weep for yourself. You are the 'base' that wants to elect this woman as our next president.

[Katashi_itto]

69. Please answer #32

[Scootaloo]

57. Sure she does.

Most of which is a litany of points in favor of Sanders.

[Doctor_J]

15. no, awake based it on this

Why wouldn't he/she?

[Yallow]

63. Nice Chart

Kinda sums it up.

Bernie is for sensible solutions to gun violence. Like full on background checks.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-votes-for-background-checks-assault-weapons-ban

[Hissyspit]

58. Why do YOU come here?

[Buzz Clik]

59. Are you under the impression that ...

... this place is a great beacon of enlightenment for the curious and those seeking objective knowledge?

I generally like your posts, so no need to take this personally, but there is as much disinformation, wrong information, and emotion drenched bickering as any place on the Internet.

But to answer your question, I come here to pick up a few nuggets from people I trust and vent about rank crap I encounter on a regular basis.

[brooklynite]

11. Great! Vote for the Primary candidate you like...

You'll be here in November, right?

[awake]

12. YES

The future is too important not to show up and vote

[JonLeibowitz]

28. Of course. Who wouldn't miss voting for Sanders twice?

What a curious question to ask a person expressing their decision for a primary vote.

[BeanMusical]

46. :snort:

[Doctor_J]

13. just bookmark this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=954509

And visit it if you start to waver

Welcome aboard

[stage left]

18. I think

you made a good choice.

[WillyT]

19. Woo Hoo !!! - K & R !!!

[bvar22]

20. Here is another one you can bookmark:

15 Fundamental Differences Between Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, and The Republicans:


1. Sanders has served as an elected official for over 34 years. Clinton & most Republicans have not.

2. Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Clinton and Republicans have not.

3. Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.

4. Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.

5. Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

6. Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

7. Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

8. Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

9. Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

10. Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

11. Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

12. Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

13. Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

14. Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.

15. Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=957245


Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot.
I don't,
that is why I am a Democrat, and voting for a Democrat....Bernie!

[restorefreedom]

51. plus a zillion. nt

[Yallow]

65. America

F Yeah!

Bernie is what I call a Real Democrat.

My kind of Democrat.

[Juicy_Bellows]

21. Awesome - I think you've picked a winner!

Says a lot that he'd go in the middle seat - my chump ass has a hard time sitting in the middle.

[Paka]

22. A lot of good factors to chose from.

It matters not what the determining factor actually was. It matters most that the right decision was made.

[MillennialDem]

23. I'm shocked he has that much leg room (and it doesn't look like the emergency exit). On any

plane I fly on, my knees touch the seat in front of me. So I pay the small extra fee for the emergency exit row or bulkhead row. Failing that I have to sit in the aisle so I can lean because having your knees touch the seat of you for 3 hours is no good.

I'm 6'2", Bernie is apparently 6'0".

[bvf]

27. Good on you, awake! n/t

[mountain grammy]

29. Two votes; the Iraq war and Patriot Act.

Being sorry about voting to authorize an incompetent and reckless administration to invade a sovereign nation just doesn't cut it for me any more.

[TexasBushwhacker]

33. Welcome! Join us in the "Democrats:Bernie Sanders" group

We even have our own DU donor page!

[Chemisse]

76. Too bad so many of us are blocked from that site.

I am leaning Sanders at this point, but one post in your group and I am insta-banned. No questions, no discussion, no response to my pm.

It's not very welcoming.

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. He really is a man of the people.

[Enthusiast]

36. Kicked and recommended to the Max! Welcome aboard, awake!

[sonofspy777]

37. Like your name...we are

also :awake:

and welcome to the revolution!

[wildeyed]

39. Quelle surprise!

Vote for who you like in the primary. Everyone pulls together in the general. That's the rule. Anyone who doesn't follow it gets the ejector seat, not the middle seat Or they get the middle finger, not the middle seat.... something like that.....

[awake]

43. Please see above my post #17

Not sure where the attitude is coming from your post seem a bit harsh. Maybe I am miss reading your post if so sorry.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

40. Bernie says 'we'

Hillary says 'i'

[Luminous Animal]

48. Ain't that the truth.

[in_cog_ni_to]

44. Congratulations! You made a wise decision...welcome!

Bernie will be the President of WE THE PEOPLE, the 99%.

Just knowing he respects us enough to spend our campaign donation money wisely/frugally and flies COACH, says everything. He's the real deal.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[BeanMusical]

47. :)

[Iwillnevergiveup]

49. Awake

You're gonna LOVE feelin'thebern. Welcome!

K&R

[awake]

50. I was not expecting the warm response

Takes me back to the summer of love, nice to be backing a candidate that attacks the problems not the other candidate.

[Kalidurga]

52. For me it was the hair

He doesn't care about optics or focus groups. He gets grumpy and doesn't care if people know he thinks they are being ridiculous. Sometimes he looks like he is wearing his fathers suit, but not before objecting that there is no real need to dress up. He is a lot like me and I trust me.

[restorefreedom]

53. welcome to the middle seat!

please check out the sanders group if you haven't yet.

lots of issues and gotv strategies to discuss!

another informed citizen feelingthebern who hooooo

[Duval]

54. Welcome, awake!

[jalan48]

61. Bernie keeps it real. He doesn't have that sense of entitlement about him that others candidates do.

[Live and Learn]

66. So happy you made that decision.

Make sure to check out the BernieSanders.com site and check the events to find fun ways to help and meet some great people.

[Liberal_in_LA]

67. .

[Aerows]

70. He's down to earth

but politically savvy.

I hope to all that is holy he will be our nominee.

[Duckfan]

71. Yes, excellent choice Sir.

Now would you like to see our desert menu?

[merrily]

74. Unless you are in the top 10% of the wealthiest in the US, Sanders is the correct choice for you.

Also if you are in the top 10%, but are not insatiably greedy.

[gordyfl]

80. I like These Two Photos...

:large

[awake]

83. Ya there are no "snakes on this plane"

If Bernie got a 10th of the free press that MAin $tream Media gives Trump there would be no contest.

[gordyfl]

81. "The Donald"

[AzDar]

82. He is The Real Deal.

[Betty Karlson]

84. Fantastic! K&R! eom