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Hillary Clinton is going to be President. Thank God.
By LiberalCanuck
Tuesday Dec 29, 2015 10:47 AM EST

I am not a religious person. In fact, like many, I am an atheist. Unlike many, I even reject the concept of “spirituality”; which I feel is just a nonsensical way to dress up atheism in a cloak of religious superstition.

However, I find real value in the expression “Thank God”. It is a way to acknowledge that strange and wonderful confluence of need and coincidence. The seemingly magical arrival of the right person at the right time, such as Roosevelt in the 1930’s or Churchill in the 1940’s; earns the phrase “Thank God.”

It is in view of the challenges, risks, dangers and outright threats to continued human existence that I say Thank God Hillary Clinton is going to be President in 2017.

Thank God a person with unprecedented experience in foreign policy is going to be the one directing the response to ISIS, Syria, Putin, and to the ever present threat from terrorist elements regardless of whether they are Muslim inspired or Christian inspired. Consider the danger of a President who knew only one of two responses to foreign crises; to bomb or not to bomb. To do too much or do too little; history is replete with lessons on the failure of both. The need for a President who understands the minutia of foreign policy and who knows when to apply force, how much and when to remove it is paramount.

Thank God a person who has over twenty years of experience dealing with the worst aspects of domestic partisan politics of the both the Right and the Left will sit behind the President’s desk after January 2017. In the fractured, hostile and deeply partisan environment that has become Washington today; where opponents will vote against their own bills simply to deny the current President a victory, someone who knows the ins and outs of Washington, who understands how things get done, who knows who to push and who to cajole is vital.

Thank God Hillary Clinton stands ready to take over when Barack Obama leaves office. She is the person the United States and the world needs right now. The right person at the right time.

[cali]

1. She's better than the insane repukes, but she hasn't won the presidency.

She is a neocon hawk.

[MissDeeds]

47. I agree with the second part of your post n/t

[tecelote]

53. Me too.

She says we can't afford Bernie's proposals for Americans but we can afford regime change in the middle east.

It's time America's priorities changed from bringing democracy to the middle east and reinstate it here.

Bernie will be a President with morals and integrity.

[MissDeeds]

56. Well said

[NCTraveler]

2. #hillyes

Let's get some Clinton Clout in the White House to build off of Obamas success.

[Alfresco]

6. Yes indeed. Buid on the past 8 years with another 8 years.

[CorporatistNation]

85. Perception Is All Part of It! Continuation of Bushco Is Not Defined As Success My Friend...

Where the Fuck do these people get off thinking that somehow she has already won?

Not on her good looks, her competence, her good judgement, her veracity... People I talk to even those who are apolitical are so sick to death of hearing about Hillary ad nauseum that they will do anything to keep her out of the WH! They tell me IF she loses this, then that will be the last we have to listen to her.

This is a dump the status quo election and if Hillary represents anything either literally or figuratively...

IT IS THE STATUS QUO ESTABLISHMENT.

[abakan]

3. Well now that's settled...

We can move straight to the GE and wrap this president thing up, early.

[jkbRN]

4. Obama was not a success,

He was a let down. He screwed the American people by pushing the TPP, not to mention his lack of transparency and his war on whistleblowers.

For those who want Clinton to continue obamas legacy, please tell me WHY and HOW these decisions will be any better under a Clinton reign, because this seems absolutely ridiculous.

[MohRokTah]

5. OFFS!

[jkbRN]

7. I'm sorry we're you trying to answer the question I posed?

Or are you just acting out by typing a word that doesn't make any sense or have any relevancy?

[MohRokTah]

10. Complete absurdity deserve nothing more than I gave. Eom

[jkbRN]

20. Complete absurdity is a refusal to answer a simple question,

When you can't even properly respond to a question, you should see that's there are major flaws in your opinion/argument, but maybe that's too much to ask.

[MoonRiver]

12. Speaking of words that don't make sense, I think you meant WERE, not we're.

Context matters.

[jkbRN]

15. Ouch, auto correct on my phone did that,

Also, I would like inform you that if you know the difference between we are and were then the context did not change.


Your refusal to answer a simple question is noted.

[MoonRiver]

18. Actually you asked somebody else but I think I can answer.

OFFS = Oh For Fuck's Sake. At least that's my take.

[jkbRN]

21. Wow, that's how a user answers a question?

Quite sad.

[Old Codger]

43. If you can't find better

Way to debate an issue then attack the opponent's spelling. Good offense

[charliea]

62. Well said

Try to be clear, forgive typos, and respond to the questions being asked.

In that light I won't 'Thank God' for Hillary about to be President, although I will agree that any of the remaining Democratic contenders would be vastly superior to any of the Republican ones.

I also won't say Obama was a disappointment, although I think he could have done better. The failure to have a public option in the Affordable Care Act, failure to close Guantanamo, failure to send anyone to jail for the massive fraud that tanked the economy, all these rankled me (and yes I hate the TPP too). However given the massive opposition he faced from the crazies he fought a fairly good defensive battle.

All that being said I will say that I want a candidate that will espouse positions I've held for most of my life and I've finally heard one who says what believe and one that I can believe and he's the one I'll join a party to vote for in my state's primary.

Feel the Bern!

Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.
-- Mark Twain --

[Pharaoh]

52. OFFS

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE

[Scuba]

35. So you got nothing. Again.

[dirtydickcheney]

9. +1

[mcar]

16. ..

[jkbRN]

28. ..

[tularetom]

17. Obama has been a disappointment because our expectations for him were so high

Clinton, on the off chance that she actually gets elected, will not be a disappointment. Our expectations for her are already in the crapper.

[jkbRN]

24. True statement.

Clinton leads with compromises

[SunSeeker]

23. Obama saved my brother's life with the ACA.

Obama saved the economy from going into a great depression.

Obama saved the auto industry.

Obama saved us.

[jkbRN]

26. Obama compromised

He campaigned on a single payer system, we didn't even get a public option. So yes, he saved many, but let's not forget the MILLIONS of people who have not seen any benefit from the ACA which still relies on private ins companies.

[Hoyt]

31. Even Sanders said it had no chance. Something had to pass, or it'd be another 20 years before

anyone touched healthcare.

Sanders: "It would have had 8 or 10 votes and that's it" in Senate.

[SunSeeker]

32. If Obama didn't compromise, we'd have no ACA. nt

[McKim]

64. Yes, Our Niece Died in a Red State, Georgia

Yes, our niece died of advanced lung cancer in Georgia. The Republicans made it so difficult to access the ACA there that she was only diagnosed in late stage cancer in the ER.

[StevieM]

88. Barack Obama did not campaign in 2008 on a platform calling for a single payer system. (eom)

[Kelvin Mace]

38. Praise be unto the name of Obama

and his annointed successor.

[Kelvin Mace]

39. Failure to prosecute war criminals

failure to remove of from one quagmire before moving us into another. This is the man who put Rahm Emmanuel in charge.

[Paka]

80. Rahm Emmanuel says it all.

I knew at that point I was going to be disappointed in the Administration. Cabinet positions that followed reinforced my thinking.

[rbrnmw]

87. President Obama will be seen as one of the best

[hobbit709]

8. Good thing I don't believe in any gods.

[jkbRN]

22. +100

[Juicy_Bellows]

11. God will be too busy hanging out with Lemmy to pay any mind.

[CJCRANE]

13. Excuse me while I

[WillyT]

41. Ditto...

[SmittynMo]

49. OMG

Delusional

[mcar]

14. K&R

[SunSeeker]

19. K & R

[99Forever]

25. You always thank non-existent beings..

...for things that haven't happened?

Wow. That's some kind of imagination you've got there.

[jkbRN]

27. +100

[Kelvin Mace]

34. Thank the invisble being who keeps telling people

like Rick Perry and Mike Huckabee that he is the "chosen one".

[99Forever]

36. ....

[onecaliberal]

29. Her foreign policy decisions have been disasters.

[McKim]

68. Many More will Die in the Middle East

Many more will die in the Middle East before she has completed the goals of the Neocon Plan for the New American Century. Let's see,
Iran is next? Lebanon? There's no end to her hostile foreign policy. Please spare us. When will people in the US get fed up with funding these wars while the homeless fill our sidewalks and our schools crumble? A vote for Hilary may avoid extreme fascism here at home, but at a great price.

[Eric J in MN]

83. +1 (NT)

NT

[Kelvin Mace]

30. Hope she can pull it off

while she:

1) Galvanizes support on the Right behind whoever runs against her because she is that hated.

2) Alienates about 10% of the liberal base who can't vote for her because of pro-Wall Street, pro-war, and "law & order" views.

Weirdly, I have not heard a lot of people claim they refuse to vote for Bernie if he is the candidate.

[Dawson Leery]

33. k/r

[Scuba]

37. A) No she's not. B) There is no god. C) If there was a god, he/she would do better than Hillary.

[dorkzilla]

55. I love you, Scuba!!

Cut right through the baloney! Good on ya!

[senz]

66. +1

Great to see you, dorkzilla!

[dorkzilla]

79. Hey senz!!!!

How are you, my friend?

[onecaliberal]

82. +10000

[Motown_Johnny]

40. So a war with Russia is something these people thank God for?

If not, then they shouldn't be supporting Hillary and her insane no fly zone proposal in Syria.

[Alfresco]

42. Hillary - The right person at the right time.

[SmittynMo]

50. Too funny

[floriduck]

70. In the wrong office. nm

[SCantiGOP]

44. Kicking

For the future of our country.

[Stevepol]

45. Some serious non sequiturs in the op

The following is supposed to be a criticism of Bernie: "Consider the danger of a President who knew only one of two responses to foreign crises; to bomb or not to bomb. To do too much or do too little"?

When you use an "either/or" proposition, there are only two alternatives so there's no possibility of a third or alternative proposition. Once you have limited your choices this way, there's nobody who could choose a third alternative. Hillary has only two choices, does she not? That is, to bomb or not to bomb? If you're thinking of a third alternative that is neither of the two you are proposing, something in the middle, then you are assuming that Bernie has only two alternatives to choose from while Hillary has more than two. But Bernie has clearly stated that he would seek alliances in the ME and support those ME countries who would provide boots on the ground. His response to the problems of foreign policy is rich in nuance. He could support "without bombing" or "with bombing" either one. He could talk to the parties and seek a compromise of some kind, etc. Maybe Hillary's response would also be nuanced. I'm sure it would, but I suspect it would be far less nuanced than Bernie's.

Anyway, an either/or proposition provides no clue as to the differences between Hillary and Bernie, which I think is what you were getting at.

[ismnotwasm]

46. K&R

[ValasHune]

48. So sure you are.... ?

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The irony will strike you dead in your shoes when you find out she isn't as strong as your side says she is against the republican field, where as Bernie kicks them all by 10 to 15 points. All Trump has to do is keep acting a fool and the dimwit republican voters in this country who vote against their own interests will gladly hand him all the votes he needs to beat her in a general election.

[valerief]

58. An anti-Bernie alerter is wasting our time again.

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Dead in your shoes? This is over the top and borders on threatening.

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[ValasHune]

67. They don't like facing the possibility that agaisnt a republican she could very likley lose the GE.

And especially against Trump it is very probable. Never underestimate of all the despicable egomaniac, racist, misogynist republican voters in this country. Trump doesn't have to work for them, Hillary has already lost them all.

[arcane1]

77. That's because the blame will be cast on the "F*cking R*tards" of the "Far Left"

As usual.

[senz]

73. Alerted for discussing IRONY?

Amazing.

[valerief]

75. The alerter found 'dead in your shoes' threatening.

Granted, the correct idiom is 'dead in your tracks,' but it's easy to get the gist of the phrase.

[MissDeeds]

51. Totally laughable

[Hekate]

54. Under the bus with DailyKos! -- Also, she's not elected yet

There's a long road between today and the Inauguration, and the GOP has many dirty vote-denying and vote-suppressing tricks up its sleeve because the only way they can win any more is by cheating.

GOTV,

[Cassiopeia]

57. Was this recycled from 2008?

[guillaumeb]

59. Pure idiocy divorced from reality and history.

Racism aside, the GOP does not have a problem with Barack Obama personally. They decided after William Clinton won the Presidency to block any Democratic President.

Luckily for the GOP, Clinton's semi-pedophiliac tendencies made the job of obstruction easy, but the GOP opposed Clinton except when he governed as a quasi-Republican. The GOP supported and Clinton signed Gramm, Leach Blily. The GOP supported and Clinton signed "welfare reform".

If HRC is elected and the GOP retains control of the House, both likely, instead of "getting things done", there will be an endless series of Benghazi hearings as well as complete obstruction of Clinton unless she supports GOP policies.

[Hiraeth]

60. I missed the fat lady singing. Dammit!!

[tom_kelly]

61. I'm confused

You write "Thank God a person who has over twenty years of experience dealing with the worst aspects of domestic partisan politics of the both the Right and the Left will sit behind the President’s desk after January 2017. In the fractured, hostile and deeply partisan environment that has become Washington today; where opponents will vote against their own bills simply to deny the current President a victory, someone who knows the ins and outs of Washington, who understands how things get done, who knows who to push and who to cajole is vital."

She is hated more than her husband by the right and you think that she'll be able to bring about a bi-partisan atmosphere? This paragraph fits Bernie far more accurate than it does Hillary - except that Bernie has many more years experience with the "ins and outs of Washington."

[highprincipleswork]

63. Unbelievably conceited to think you know your candidate is going to win before process is over.

This applies, of course, to both sides.

At most generous, we could say that such posts are a way to ward off any lingering anxieties. They will not, of course, be predictive in any particular way, other than they will fire some people up for the candidate and fire some people up against.

We've all got to work together in the end, so would suggest whatever behavior leads to that.

[NurseJackie]

65. Can I get an "amen" up in here?

Amen!

[Alfresco]

69. Amen...

I am astounded by some of these responses. It's like they just read the title and respond without even reading the post. Some even seem to believe they are posting to the author of this piece. All one has to do is post a positive article about Hillary and sit back and let them prove what many have been saying about Bernie's supporters. It's too frickin funny.

[Kalidurga]

78. This article has nothing to do with Hillary

It is an article about what someone hopes will happen. Because they have some insane idea that Hillary will institute positive changes. Based on what evidence I have no idea. I guess as long as she is good for people who are already comfortable then the fact she has a horrible record on not caring about people in other countries it's all good.

[Vinca]

71. Talk about saying the cake is baked before it's put in the oven.

She's got to overcome the current enthusiasm on the right vs. the nonenthusiasm on the left. We should not assume there won't be a Republican in the Oval come January 2017.

[senz]

72. Hillary held one elected position (for which she carpetbagged)

for eight years, during which she made serious mistakes.

Obama appointed her SOS not because she had any foreign policy chops (she had none) but on the principle of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." She was a mediocre SOS who messed up Libya and granted special favors to large donors to the Clinton Foundation. When she stepped down and Kerry took over, the U.S. became a positive force in the world again.

Being married to an office-holder does not count as experience.

[underpants]

74. I agree

[arcane1]

76. "unprecedented experience in foreign policy"?

Seems a bit overblown

[PowerToThePeople]

81. And why do I care

what a Canadian with a leftist government and universal healthcare thinks about OUR Presidential election?

Trashcanning this turd OP.

[bowens43]

84. this guy is delusional...hillary will never be president.

hillary and trump are two ends of the same worm. I don't vote for worms.Many of us will stay home if the choice is between two ends of a worm.

[restorefreedom]

86. not likely, but nothing wrong

with everyone believing in their candidate until the votes are in

[Proserpina]

89. If Hillary Clinton claims the White House, God will disavow having anything to do with it

[Alfresco]

90. Kick