O'Malley: Sanders didn't want more debates. MSNBC HEADLINE

[elleng]

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O'Malley + Dean on Morning Joe.

https://www.facebook.com/MorningJoe/videos/10153802592843762/?theater

[pnwmom]

1. I've thought this all along, since Bernie wasn't calling for them like MOM. n/t

[cali]

4. He has repeatedly called for more DNC debates

[slipslidingaway]

11. Google - June 1, 2015 Bernie Sanders Calls For More Democratic Debates

http://time.com/3903978/bernie-sanders-debates/

"...Sanders’ letter to Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz marks the first blow against the Democratic National Committee’s efforts to control the debate process. Last month, the DNC said it would sanction six debates, in what rival campaigns said was an effort to protect the front-runner, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton..."

[elleng]

22. This was in June.

A LOT of water has passed under the bridge since then.

[slipslidingaway]

41. From your link in August, you can find other references if you want

“I do not believe it’s enough,” Sanders said on the debate. “Debates are one way to engage people in the democratic process.” He said Wednesday he would like to see the AFL-CIO or other groups sponsor additional debates.“I do not believe it’s enough,” Sanders said on the debate. “Debates are one way to engage people in the democratic process.” He said Wednesday he would like to see the AFL-CIO or other groups sponsor additional debates."

http://time.com/4001669/martin-omalley-bernie-sanders-debates/

[Smarmie Doofus]

65. This should settle the matter.

But we both know it won't.

>>>“The people of this country are tired of political gossip, personal attacks and ugly 30-second ads. >>>>

Well, not everybody.

[pnwmom]

99. Oh, that's really impressive.

He wanted them so much he sent a letter once.

But the fact is, he could have decided to abandon the DNC and set up a whole different schedule with O'Malley and the others.

But it was more important to Sanders that he debate with Hillary. He didn't care about the others. And he doesn't care about O'Malley now.

[slipslidingaway]

113. What is O'Malley asking Clinton to do? And why do you think Sanders should bring along the others???

There are issues to deal with and O'Malley is sounding like a spoiled child IMHO.

O'Malley should go bother Clinton as she has more pull with the DNC.

[pnwmom]

114. I didn't say Sanders should do anything. I just said that his attitude

isn't much different from Hillary's.

[slipslidingaway]

115. His campaign did circulate a petition calling for more debates that had hundreds of thousands of ...

signatures. This was months ago when the Dems delayed the first debate and let the Repubs have almost unlimited free press.

What did Hillary do or say?

You said 'Sanders does not care about the others' implying he should do more to help the other candidates, that is not his primary job.

O'Malley needs to run his own campaign and maybe call on Clinton to do something. He is coming across rather poorly keeping this story alive, both him and Dean lied by not telling the whole truth.

Sorry he is not doing better in the polls, but it is not the responsibility of the Sanders campaign to pull him along.

[pnwmom]

116. And it isn't Hillary's responsibility either. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

97. Well then perhaps you should have googled it all along

They you wouldn't have thought that.

[99Forever]

2. Neither Howie or Marty speak for Senator Sanders.

So bullshit on that.

[elleng]

12. Please cut the vulgarity.

His words and actions speak for him, and they've been readable and viewable for some time.

[cali]

16. Desperate O'Malley is flailing and lying. Bernie is on the record

repeatedly calling for more debates.

I feel sorry for O'Malley, but this is just wrong.

[elleng]

20. What is wrong is to assert that O'Malley is lying.

'Flailing' is in the eye of the beholder.

MO'M repeatedly called for more debates, directly, with the public, with Sanders' campaign, and with the DNC, and when it appeared that Bernie agreed (was 'on the record,' as you say,) Bernie and his campaign turned their backs.

[Andy823]

50. Exactly!

Actions speak louder than words.

[Scootaloo]

102. While not exactly a lie, it IS disingenuous

Sanders turned down unsanctioned debates vs. O'Malley. You do remember that exclusivity clause regarding the debates, right? That participation in a non-DNC debate would bar the participating candidates from further DNC debates? I hope you do, because i'm pretty sure you complained about it (and rightly so.)

Taking O'Malley up on the offer would have meant that December 19 would have just been our last democratic debate. I suppose sanders and O'Malley could debate each other, but that wouldn't be useful for anything, since they both need exposure against Clinton. I suppose that since O'Malley is polling at 2%, he figures he's in the same spot either way?

I like O'Malley, and wouldn't mind him as president.. .but to offer self-defeating "you and me" debates to Sanders that would have taken them both of the circle, and then claiming that Sanders "didn't want more debates" is really kind of a low move.

[elleng]

103. We ALL complained about it.

And today/yesterday Dean suggested MO'M should ask sanders for debate, and MO'M said he'd already DONE that, suggested such, and Sanders declined. FACTS, NO DISPUTE, and NO LOW MOVE, Scoot, FACT.

[Scootaloo]

104. Because such debates would have been without DNC sanction

And would have gotten Sanders and O'Malley both locked out of the debate schedule - this basically ending said debate schedule.

Come on, you know this.

[elleng]

105. Right, no big deal,

we ALL knew/know this (UNLESS a public outcry would overcome DNC's 'rule,' but not likely due to wishes of TPTB.)

So the interchange with Dean was a minor matter, of no real consequence, except to #### DUers who chose to spend the day calling MO'M (and me?) a liar.

What a place!

[Scootaloo]

106. Deep breath, elleng

I'm not calling you a liar, nor am I calling O'Malley a liar. I've talked ot a lot of lying people tonight so I'm maybe a bit tense, but you're not one of those people

I'm stating that the claim "Bernie sanders doesn't want more debates!" is disingenuous. He wants more debates... but he wants them either sanction, or through an end to the exclusivity clause.

Going outside the schedule with the clause in place is just shooting yourself in the foot, basically. it would achieve nothing except the exact opposite of what it's supposed to. because you, me, Sanders, and O'Malley all damn well know that the DNC would just call off the remaining debates and throw away all pretense of positive neutrality to become an annex of the clinton campaign before a single vote is cast.

[elleng]

108. NOT disingenuous,

he was responding quickly in a time-constrained interview, and reasonably chose not to discuss what he probably recognized, as do we all, as the likely reason for sanders' to agree to 'unsanctioned' debates. Dean, of course, might have raised the 'rationale,' but as he's working for hrc/tptb these days, he wasn't likely to do that.

[GeorgeGist]

111. WTF?

Did you forget that YOU posted the OP?

[NCTraveler]

66. O'Malley isn't lying.

Nor is he out there firing and suspending people from his campaign for unethical activity. The character assassination is not merited.

[CorporatistNation]

76. Omalley Need sto Take Stock of His Candidacy and Allow A FULL ON 1vs1 Between Hillary and Bernie

BEFORE THE FIRST VOTES ARE CAST! Marty Needs to Be A Man About IT!

[99Forever]

18. Don't post bullshit and I won't call it.

The formula is that simple.

[Ed Suspicious]

34. When I want to get an understanding of how a candidate feels about something I go to his opponent.

[99Forever]

37. Yeah....

...because his opponents have no vested interest in making him look bad.

Yeah yeah, that's the ticket!

[cali]

3. Bernie has vocally called for more DNC debates and his campaign actively lobbied for more

O'Malley is understandably flailing.

[FSogol]

6. But when push came to shove, it was all just talk. Another win for DWS! n/t

[Ned_Devine]

13. He still wants to play by the rules. He just wants more DNC debates

What's so hard to understand about that?

[FSogol]

15. He wants a revolution that will change everything and to play by the rules. Right....

[elleng]

17. He DOESN'T want more DNC debates,

and it's perfectly understandable that he (and hrc incidentally) don't want to 'risk' elevating MO'M by enabling the public to VIEW and HEAR him.

[slipslidingaway]

19. Please post a link to back up this claim that he does not want more DNC debates. nt

[elleng]

24. Here:

http://time.com/4001669/martin-omalley-bernie-sanders-debates/

[arcane1]

26. "Sanders has also repeatedly called for more debates, saying that he is “disappointed” with the DNC’

From your link.

[slipslidingaway]

27. Your link does not back up the statement you made that Sanders does not want more DNC debates...

"Martin O’Malley’s campaign has reached out privately to Bernie Sanders about arranging debates outside the six contests allowed by the Democratic National Committee, risking the ire of the Democratic party in a bid to gain traction for his candidacy...


....Sanders has also repeatedly called for more debates, saying that he is “disappointed” with the DNC’s rules...."

[TM99]

23. O'Malley doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell

of securing the nomination OR a VP slot.

He has nothing to lose in defying the DNC debate exclusivity clause.

Sanders is closing in on the Clinton campaign. He said in May he wanted the opportunity to debate Republicans. In July he was calling for more debates.

O'Malley is lying through his fucking teeth. Why? What could he possibly stand to gain from it.

[elleng]

28. CUT the libel,

suggesting he is lying through his 'fucking teeth.' As you THEN say, what could he possibly gain from it? NOTHING, but loud assertions sure get everyone's attention, don't they?

Y'all like it fine that DNC has cut him out, just suits you to a T. Bullies SUCK.

[questionseverything]

35. the dnc hasn't cut him out,they should tho since he polls at 2%

and honestly omalley was the bully at the last debate

just because you are the loudest shouldn't mean you get the most time

he rambled on and on about something then seconds after bernie began speaking he was interrupting like a spoiled child

i really think he is only in the race to split the anti hc vote and his untruths on morning joe fit that

[Andy823]

52. Yeah, he dared

Go after Bernie, and we all know that's not allowed by his worshipers.

[questionseverything]

54. bernies a big boy,he can handle omalley fine

i hate the way fox news types talk over people...and i like it no better when dems do it...seemed rude and childish,like he was afraid for anyone else to get a point in edgewise

[Ed Suspicious]

36. Libel. Get real.

[TM99]

42. You seem to claim to know O'Malley's thoughts,

so why did he lie? Hint - it ain't libel if he is lying.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251955742

So he is only lying to get attention focused on him? Is that your story now?

Where has the DNC cut out O'Malley? If anything, both he and Sanders are being 'cut out' by the DNC - between data debacles, debate exclusivities, and local offices only supporting HRC.

So why pick a fight with Sanders over this? Did O'Malley ask Clinton as well? What was her response?

[daybranch]

62. You have no understanding about Libel laws.

The loudest assertions were made by O Malley and Dean. As for libel , you have make a statement which you know or believe to be untrue. For politicians, they understandably are not usually shielded by libel statutes since they are public figures and libel laws could be used to create a loss of freedom of speech.But really, O Malley should just quit. His supporters 2 percent does not at this time still warrant standing on the debate stage. Go home - Martin, you are impeding the people's right to important knowledge. Take the high road and quit wasting your volunteers time and your donors money. We dems like a spirited and diverse debate from viable candidates. You are obviously not one , nor have you shown any uptick in your supporters. Do the honorable thing.

[elleng]

64. I know what libel is.

DNC and MSM are doing the impeding.

"We Dems" surely DO like a spirited and diverse debate from viable candidates, and we are not getting it, due to actions of DNC and MSM.

[daybranch]

61. Sorry but you could not elevate Martin O Malley in the polls

unless most democrats moved to Canada and only his two supporters stayed. It is time for him to go. He is not fighting a good fight and he is not gaining followers. His personna, in my opinion, comes across as a smug elitist much like Hillary, claiming to have solved every problem when we all know Baltimore is probably the most dangerous city in the USA. This may be untrue but it is already ingrained in those who watched the debates. Go Home Martin, your time has passed,and quit helping the the plutocracy.

[Andy823]

51. So then

Hitting the DNC with a "lawsuit" is all playing by the rules? I kind of think that it's not, but then that's just me.

[elleng]

14. Exactly.

Thanks, FSogol.

[seabeyond]

71. When push came to shove, it was all just talk, ... For sure. And that is the point. Nt.

[elleng]

10. Bernie did, then he didn't.

[frazzled]

55. Sanders’ team decidedly less emphatic in private discussions about having more primary debates

From today's Times:

people briefed on the flap about the number of debates believe that Mr. Sanders has fed on outrage against the D.N.C. that was created by others, not his own team, in efforts to deal with the data issue. These people described Mr. Sanders’ team as decidedly less emphatic in private discussions about having more primary debates than they have been in public, realizing that debates are not his strength.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/29/top-bernie-sanders-aide-rankles-those-in-and-out-of-campaign/

They're just stoking the anger of their minions, as a campaign tactic. They do not want more debates. I find it disingenuous at best, and I don't like stoking anger as a political tactic.

[elleng]

63. Thanks for finding this, frazzled.

Would be good, imo, if their angry 'minions' would/could recognize it, and would calm down HERE.

[seabeyond]

72. And there you go. That is why I like DU. getting the quotes. Thank you. Nt.

[NCTraveler]

67. It appears that M'Malley..

Was prepared to pump it up past bluster.

[pnwmom]

101. Bernie has always had the option to join with O'Malley (and originally,

the other candidates) and debate with them -- apart from Hillary.

But he preferred to debate with Hillary 6 times than with other candidates an almost unlimited number of times.

That was his choice. He could have sent his message by debating on a stage without Hillary. He would still have had O'Malley to debate. But he's really not interested in debating if it's not with Hillary.

[bigtree]

5. he just doesn't want to go one-on-one with O'Malley

...political decision to avoid elevating O'Malley.

[elleng]

7. Right.

[FSogol]

9. Such fearlessness!

[randys1]

8. Today Thom said he is pretty sure the current schedule was created before Bernie

became an issue, before Bernie drew large crowds or came into the picture.

It makes sense.

The JOB of the DNC (dont get me wrong, I am annoyed as hell at DWS) is solely to elect Democrats, no matter what.

Hillary is and was the leading Democratic candidate for Prez, so DWS will do everything in her power to bolster her candidate.

It is NOT her job (remember, our political parties are corrupt and problematic in many ways) to go out of her way to make sure all the other candidates get a fair shot at it.

As to our parties, yes both are corrupt but the Dems are corrupt lite and the cons are corrupt completely.

What I want is a DNC which will do damn near anything to elect our strongest candidate.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

21. Did O'Malley invite Hillary? What was her reaction?

[Armstead]

25. Playing Catch 22 with Sanders

This is spin. Sanders is trying to play by the party rules, even though he doesn't like them. O'Malley's the one who says Sanders is not a "real Democrat" but now is baiting Sanders for trying to adhere top the DNC rules.

It's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

There's a lot I like about O'Malley, but he also looks very opportunistic and less than sincere in some of his righteous indignation.

[elleng]

29. It is RIGHTEOUS.

[Armstead]

30. Of it were truly righteous he wouldn't be mischaracterizing those on the left

[bigtree]

39. O'Malley's on the left

...something ignored by Sanders supporters in their defensiveness.

In fact, he's a practicing progressive with real accomplishments and results; well apart his rivals, who are veterans of an institution which is more known these days for talking, than it is for taking action.

[Armstead]

49. if he, were he would not reinforce stereotypes

He would not reinforce that Sanders and his supporters want to replace capitalism and private property with state socialism (ie dirty commies)

[bigtree]

75. the Democratic party has NEVER been 'socialist' anything

...and it's sophistry to pretend that O'Malley said what you wrote.

Interesting that you make the leap to equate socialism with communism and state ownership of property, when even Sanders has explained that his socialism has its roots in a European economic model. O'Malley didn't take his argument to the extreme, you just did, though.

Sanders made a big deal for years about including 'socialist' in his political identification. Now he wants to claim that it just reflects Democratic politics. He's made a clumsy and incomplete explanation of that label and no candidate should be required to make him whole on that point. The least they should be allowed todo, what O'Malley has done, is distance themselves from that nebulous, shifting label which everyone in American politics knows well is a lightning rod.

O'Malley didn't set this up, Sanders did with his attempt to blend socialism and Democratic politics, if only in name. So, you've set socialism as a yardstick for the 'left' in our party. That's complete bull. Progressiveness doesn't mean morphing the party into socialist policies. You're defending a made-up label of Sanders by attributing whatever you believe he means by that identification. O'Malley has just as much right to declare that our party has nothing to do with socialism. It's much more valid than defining our party's left as socialists.

[oasis]

112. Thanks bigtree for telling it like it is.

[ljm2002]

40. Sorry, but no it is not righteous...

...any time you see someone fail to mention an extremely relevant fact -- the DNC's exclusivity clause -- you are engaging in MISLEADING. That is the MOST generous thing that can be said about O'Malley's statements on this topic with Dean this morning.

[questionseverything]

31. when omalley first announced i liked him on paper

except about his unconstitutional broken windows policy but

after omalleys rude childish behavior at the last debate and now this smear(lie) i really can not stomach him

too bad because we need young leaders but we don't need more untruths

even his "indignation" sounds rehearsed and fake to me

[bigtree]

33. sure, everyone's political posturing is sincere, except for O'Malley's

...both of the other candidates are playing this debate issue to their own advantage. Making O'Malley out to be the skunk at this picnic is nothing but partisan political politics. Petty politics, at that.

[questionseverything]

43. bigtree,you were the omalley supporter that jumped me over questioning his broken windows policy

even after that i tried to keep an open mind because i thought you were the poster that led the charge during the Ferguson times

when we stayed up most the night watching the live feeds to vouch for the protesters

but maybe i am getting you mixed up with a similar name

omalley is not being truthful in the morning joe clip because the exclusivity clause is not mentioned,,,it is that simple

[bigtree]

32. as if O'Malley's the only one playing politics with this

...obviously Sanders doesn't see any political advantage in debating one-on-one O'Malley with the prospect of Clinton holding out.

What's more evident than any insincerity from O'Malley is the fact that Sanders has been at odds with the Democratic party most of his career, opting to identify his politics apart from the party regulars. Now he wants to act as if following party doctrine on this is some sort of attribute?

This isn't about principle for any of the candidates. They're all playing the politics involved to their advantage. Singling out O'Malley for being 'opportunistic' is ridiculous, given that his rivals are both maintaining positions which keep him at a disadvantage.

[BlueCheese]

45. This is an excellent observation.

Everybody is doing what they think is best for them politically. O'Malley wants more debates to raise his profile. Sanders wants more debates, but only if Clinton will be there. Clinton is fine where it is. Of the three, I actually think Clinton is making a tactical error, because more debates would not only cut off this line of attack, and because she has been doing well at them. But maybe it's too late to change things now?

[Romulox]

38. Sleazy mininformation for the low information voters who haven't heard of the exclusivity clause. nt

[sadoldgirl]

44. After seeing this

totally misleading part of the interview I have
changed my mind on O'Malley. Trying to blame
Bernie indirectly for only six debates is just
too low for me.

[aikoaiko]

46. O'Malley isn't telling the truth (at least the whole truth)

It may be true that Bernie doesn't want a nonDNC sanctioned debate, he has clearly asked for more DNC sanctioned debates. To say that he is happy with the debate schedule is just not true.

Proof: https://go.berniesanders.com/page/s/more-debates

It may be the case that since Bernie agreed to the DNC rules he believes its more honorable to adhere to that decision, while O'Malley isn't inclined to honor his agreement.

[Andy823]

53. How about

That lawsuit Bernie hit the DNC with, was that an "honorable" thing to do? Do you really think that the lawsuit is not going to piss of must the DNC, but many democrats who have questioned his calling himself a "democrat" simply to get the backing of the DNC?

[aikoaiko]

60. Do you have a link the filing? I don't know the details.

[Trajan]

47. Your most disingenuous statement yet

But this one is unforgivable ...

I remember when you first came aboard here ... Some ridiculous subterfuge and an ensuing apology ....

I'll say no more about that, but I will now, finally, place you on ignore .... It's been ok until today and this ridiculous claim, and this one is a doozy ...

Tata ...

[elleng]

48. 'Came over here?'

Been here for MANY years.

No loss to me, Tata.

[Andy823]

56. Isn't it funny

How many people are getting thrown under the bus because they question Bernie? Bernie talked a good talk about more debates, but his actions weren't that great. I guess he has to play by the rules, but then again hitting the DNC with a lawsuit probably isn't playing by those rules either, and I think the lawsuit will do him more harm than standing up and having more debates.

[elleng]

58. 'Funny' maybe, Andy,

but not so sure. I've been banned from bernie group because I (OMG!) posted some INFORMATION about MO'M there!

Who's 'liberal' now???!!!



and making such a big f*ing deal about what MO'M said, in response to a SUGGESTION of Howard Dean that he should team up with bernie for more debates! And the whole 'segment' lasted a few SECONDS, out of a 1 minute 33 second video interview!

[Andy823]

74. I was banned also

Not for saying anything bad about Bernie, but because I asked Manny if he would be going to that Clinton rally he was trying to get people who lived in the area to "protest" Hillary at the event. I asks if he would be there to lead those who showed up. I did add one of these to my post , but hardly think that questioning him was worthy of a ban.

While I think most of Bernie's supporters are good people, but they have been pushed aside by a much more vocal group that really don't seem to care about the example they set for Bernie with their comments, and actions.

[olddots]

98. sorry elleng

this just got too weird .

[elleng]

100. Thanks, olddots.

I really appreciate it. YES, TOO weird.

[TDale313]

57. Low fucking blow.

Anyone paying attention knows the DNC was threatening to ban candidates who participated in unauthorized debates from the sanctioned ones. Totally disingenuous to pretend Sanders didn't want more because he wasn't willing to risk being totally frozen out (which the DNC would have been perfectly happy to do, IMO)

[Cassiopeia]

59. I really expected better from a poster of your stature.

The DNC is itching to lock Sanders out and you know this.

[elleng]

73. Cass, I posted a VIDEO from Morning Joe!

They're itching to lock EVERYONE out except for hrc, no doubt about it, and this little interview this morning actually gave MO'M some FACE TIME with the PUBLIC, imagine that!

[demwing]

68. Elleng you know I've defended MO'M on many an occasion

But this is indefensible, and the crappy way his supporters are treating Bernie is shameful.

[elleng]

69. I don't know what you're talking about, what is 'indefensible?'

I posted a video from Morning Joe with their and facebook's headline, the video contained a question from Howard Dean to MO'M 'why don't you and Bernie get together for debates,' and MO'M replied, BRIEFLY, with facts about having tried to DO that, and then went on to discuss his policies and plans for the campaign.

I doubt very much that the MO'M supporters I know are treating Bernie in a 'shameful' manner; doesn't happen that way.

[FlatBaroque]

70. Credibility

so difficult to earn, so easy to lose.

[1StrongBlackMan]

77. Posted to for later. eom

[liberal_at_heart]

78. I have always had good things to say about O'Malley, but this is ridiculous.

[elleng]

79. NOTHING ridiculous about it.

FACTS!

[restorefreedom]

80. msbnc and morning jerk lie

no surprise there, disappointed in dean. he is such a company man now.

i think the confusion has to do with dnc sanctioned vs unsanctioned debates. MOM seems to be in favor of having either kind. it looks like bernie wanted more dnc debates but wanted to avoid being banned by participating in the unofficial ones.

we all have dws and their establishment favoritism for screwing this up royally.

their motto

shut down bernie
shut out martin
prop hillary

democracry be dammed

[elleng]

81. You got it,

but don't know about 'lie' here.

Good analysis.

[restorefreedom]

82. :) i havent followed it closely

but i know that MoM and bernie have repeatedly called out the sniveling and obviously biased towards one candidate (my words not theirs) schedule and have called repeatedly for more dnc sanctioned debates. even this last one, i believe a sanders staffer was quoted saying something, like "what, was christmas eve all booked?"

bernie has also called for interparty debates, which of course the repubs would never do.

what bothers me the most is that sanders and om have so much in common and have been coexisting quite well this primary, and their supporters too. just another reason why dws and her antidemocracy strategy is basically dividing the dems in all kinds of ways.

but hey, as long as hillary gets the nom, nothing else matters right?

[elleng]

83. Right,

People HAVE gotten along, so DON'T read much of today's stuff.

We really SHOULD get along, and this SHOULD include people here.

[restorefreedom]

84. indeed. glad i wasn't able to read much today :) nt

[one_voice]

85. Jeeze ellen...

you'd have thought you insulted the Pope during Christmas mass in the Vatican with all the bristled responses--to put it mildly.

One might get the impression that some think Sanders is perfect and above reproach.

Thin skinned also comes to mind...

[elleng]

87. You got it, one_voice!

[Doctor_J]

86. tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies

Anything to deflect attention from this

[elleng]

88. Right, from the fact that O'Malley is eliminated from the 'race'

by many.

[JI7]

89. the fact is the debates HAVE helped Clinton the most

she did better in debates than Obama in 2008 and it's probably one of the ways the race kept going as long as it did.

and this time around she has done the best in them.

[Live and Learn]

96. Fact must have a different definition in your dictionary than mine.

I would call that opinion and a faulty one at that.

[Live and Learn]

90. Bull. Why do you insist on posting O'Malley's lies when you know it is not true?

Not very ethical of you.

[elleng]

91. Go away.

He did NOT lie.

[Live and Learn]

92. He did lie. And I suggest you post his lies in his group if you don't want to be called on them.

I have no idea what you think you are gaining by posting this crap but it certainly isn't doing Martin any good.

[Live and Learn]

93. MOM wants to break the party rules. Bully on him. Not a very good Democrat though.

Thankfully, Bernie plays by the rules! That is the friggen truth!

[Uncle Joe]

94. Bernie has called for more debates, O'Malley is lying about Bernie not wanting more debates.

The question by Dean pertained to having debates not sanctioned by the DNC, Bernie won't do that.


Thanks for the thread elleng.

[elleng]

95. He is NOT lying, that blarney has to GO,

but you are probably correct to suggest the issue revolves around 'sanctioned' (by dnc/dws/hrc) or not. DEAN suggested it to MO'M, and MO'M responded that he HAS done that, and Sanders declined.

[Uncle Joe]

107. O'Malley stated that Bernie didn't want more debates without qualification, making

no distinction about sanctioned and unsanctioned.

If he wasn't lying it was at best a half-truth.

[elleng]

109. He was being interviewed in a time-constrained forum,

all he might have done was to 'speculate' on sanders' reason for saying NO, and doing so would have opened MORE cans of worms: 'Did he TELL you that was his reason, Governor O'Malley?' The WHOLE TRUTH that he knows is sanders said NO.

[Uncle Joe]

110. The whole truth that O'Malley knows is that Bernie has called on the DNC for more

and better scheduled debates.

All O'Malley had to say if he wanted to speak the total truth was that "Bernie won't participate in unsanctioned debates."

That's only six words.

[NurseJackie]

117. Based on what we've seen so far, more debates would probably do more harm than good for Bernie.

I'm sure that both he and his staff have come to the same conclusion, and are secretly thanking DWS. Probably.