"Next Year, There Will Be a Woman Up There!" Said my daughter,

[msanthrope]

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at the Hall of Presidents, Disneyworld, 2015.

"Mom, why is Barrack Obama the only Black person on stage?" Said by my daughter, Hall of Presidents, 2011.

[NCTraveler]

1. K&R. nt.

[catnhatnh]

2. So in 2011 your daughter was fixated on race

and 4 years later is fixated on gender. Can't you explain that we are supposed to ignore that and study their contributions to the country as individuals...

[JonLeibowitz]

3. +1. Nt

[JoePhilly]

5. Its so hard being a white man ...

... I'm not sure how I do it.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

55. I guess you avoid the sun....

[Starry Messenger]

6. Wow! (nt)

[randys1]

29. My response as well, at this point I am done explaining things to white people...I figure

if I can figure it out, they should be able to as well.

[Starry Messenger]

34. I kind of expect at this point that liberals would understand

that the reason that several hundreds of years worth of white male Presidents didn't mean that they all got there because they just all had more superior qualities to Blacks or women, or etc.

I mean, there's a reason my husband and I joke "meritocracy!!1" whenever some other white dude or friend or relative of the boss gets hired or promoted.

[randys1]

36. And that you can joke about it is the difference between certain folks. Certain folks, including

in that they are everywhere, cough cough, would go INSANE if treated like this.

For instance the dipshit Woman who took her case to the SC which ended affirmative action because she couldn't compete.

Nope, white folks get preferrential treatment by god and if that stops said white folks will raise holy hell

[Agschmid]

51. +1

"Fixated"... Lord.

[joshcryer]

84. Don't you know? The US is post-race, post-gender.

We're a utopia where even merely noticing such differences is more controversial than they existing!

[Starry Messenger]

85. That's why only 19% of Congress is women!

Our ladybrains probably just can't handle stuff.

[joshcryer]

86. Just as long as you all ain't behind the wheel...

j/k

[msanthrope]

9. Indeed....when she's a white male, I'll tell her that. nt

[one_voice]

15. Can't you explain that we are supposed to ignore that and study their contributions to the country

Then how do you answer the next the next question--you know it's coming--were there no black people, women, hispanics, etc who made such contributions? None?

but then we'd be back to a country fixated on race and gender. See how that works? There is no white man's burden.

[pnwmom]

19. Right. We're living in a post-racial society where no one discriminates against women either.

Not a single female President since 1789, women have only had the vote for 100 years, and only 20 women in the Senate -- but we're beyond all concerns about sexism now.

Everything's just hunky-dory.

Anyone who asks questions, like your daughter, is "fixated" on gender.

[pangaia]

47. I think catnhatnh is wrong.

It is sickening that there has not been a female president in this country. There surely have been qualified people.

I just do not want this particular one to be the first.

[JonLeibowitz]

74. Of course it is sickening. That doesn't make cantnhanh wrong though.

The solution is to judge on character, issues, and record and let the chips fall where they may.

Certain people don't lile that though because their candidate comes up far short.

[MeNMyVolt]

35. What a cringe-worthy reply.

[msanthrope]

38. "Fixated" on race and gender. Indeed. nt

[Nonhlanhla]

40. You're attacking a kid for noticing the obvious?!

And really, after hundreds of years of slavery, black people should not be happy when a black man gets elected as president? And after millennia of gender oppression, women should not be happy at the possibility of a woman standing there on that stage?

The only ones fixated on race and gender are the ones who made sure that only white men have until recently occupied that stage.

[Plucketeer]

53. By golly - you're right!

We need some portraits of females on the row of presidents, and since we have a candidate with the appropriate "plumbing" to set things straight, we should abandon reason and record and elect us a lady president in the interest of making a point. Seems a shame we didn't fast-track dame Sarah for the highest office. We might well be on the verge of electing a Palin/Trump or Palin/Cruz ticket this time around. Then this young observer could feel that we'd set things Right. OH WAIT - WAIT - WAIT..... How about Ms. Fiorina? Wouldn't she qualify as well?

[randome]

56. Whine, whine, whine.

Other than the fact that Sanders is not a Democrat, there is little difference between him and Clinton. To those who look at the overall picture, that is. With that in mind, yes, gender can and should be a determining factor. I have no problem voting for Clinton because of her gender because 99% of her positions on the issues are fine with me.

Fiorina? A poor attempt to obfuscate since her stated policies are...what's the word I'm looking for? Stupid.
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[Nonhlanhla]

57. You say stuff like that

and then will complain if people say (some) Bernie supporters are sexist?

Wow.

[JunkyardAngel83]

59. IKR n/t

[MeNMyVolt]

65. + a ton. Wish you posted more! n/t

[Starry Messenger]

73. +1

[randome]

42. Whoa, whoa, back up a second. Obama's black???

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[anigbrowl]

54. Observing a discrepancy doesn't mean you're fixated on it

Group membership isn't the primary factor for me in choosing a candidate, but it is a factor that I choose to include rather than ignore in my decisions.

[JunkyardAngel83]

58. Fucking hell...

Wow! Just...wow. Check your privilege, cat.

[rbrnmw]

66. [phone]

[rbrnmw]

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[840high]

79. ...^ that

[joshcryer]

83. Holy fucking shit.

No words.

[Hortensis]

4. Good for your daughter, Msanthrope.

Sounds like you're doing something right. Although, they have identified genes with strong correlations to voting and nonvoting personalities, so the "something" might have happened a long time ago and the rest is just systemic redundancy.

[99Forever]

7. More likely....

....it will be the first Jewish President.

[msanthrope]

11. How interesting you think Bernie is the first Jew. nt

[99Forever]

14. It's one of those fact things.

I know facts are a rarity in Camp Weathervane. Try to wrap your head around the concept, it's called truth.

[msanthrope]

25. Get out more. nt

[99Forever]

27. What the fuck does that even mean?

Lame on steroids.

[msanthrope]

30. Bless your heart. nt

[retrowire]

46. and he'll be the oldest person to ever win the presidency!

So cool!

[Fawke Em]

41. Um... he's not the first Jew.

He will be the first Jewish PRESIDENT.

[pangaia]

50. 99FOREVER didn't say Bernie is the first Jew.

He said.. well you can read what he actually said...

[pnwmom]

21. Women comprise 51% of the population. They also were prevented from voting

till a hundred years ago, unlike Jewish men.

[bigtree]

8. this is where I think race and gender have the most significant impact in the presidency

...the elevation to the highest office in the land of an individual possessing a race, class, ethnicity which has been denied in elections, so far. Those advancements have immeasurable, lasting, generational effects which are almost certain to permanently transform how many of us regard others, and our own potential for success, at any level.

[MeNMyVolt]

20. Beautifully stated Big. K&R for this, and the OP. n/t

[pnwmom]

22. +1. N/T

[msanthrope]

32. You have it.....my daughter was shocked to learn that we, women,

only got the vote less than 100 years ago.

[MoonRiver]

10. You have a very smart and astute daughter!

[cali]

12. How old is your daughter?

[msanthrope]

23. 12. nt

[postatomic]

13. Yes, yes there will be.

Just don't tell her about DUs GDP. It will damage her for life.

[closeupready]

16. Jane would be First Lady, not President.

[msanthrope]

28. She will be neither. nt

[passiveporcupine]

17. What, did Warren decide to run afterall?

[PowerToThePeople]

18. Warren has decided to run after all?

eom

[Number23]

24. Boy, this OP sure brought out the classy folks, didn't it?

[msanthrope]

26. Check out reply 12. I suspect there's a debate going on. nt

[Number23]

70. That reply is the least of this thread's problems. But make sure you check the names shitting

all over this fairly innocent post with comments about "fixating on race", "going transgender" and how Hillary's only qualification is the proper "plumbing".

They'll be the ones hollering about how their "objection" to Hillary is based on "principles" and they don't "hate" her and then wondering with the widest of eyes why so many people feel that far too many Sanders supporters have deep, PROFOUND issues surrounding race, sexual orientation and gender.

[msanthrope]

71. They just let it all hang out, don't they? It doesn't take a Freud. I suspect

the question about my child's age was ignited by a Radical discussion.

[randys1]

31. I am amazed this thread is even allowed here.

If you know what I mean.

[JunkyardAngel83]

60. Sure did. Yeesh!

[randys1]

33. With all the EXTREME hatred of Hillary in this country, it is easy to forget what a monumental

achievement it would be or will be when we do elect our first Woman.

Given we are about 100 years behind the times when it comes to doing so, that is.

[DinahMoeHum]

37. Tell her, yes, it will happen. Maybe next year. . .

. . .maybe in 5 years, maybe in ten.

But it WILL happen. In her lifetime.

[JunkyardAngel83]

61. Going transgender?

What a gross comment. Being transgender is not a choice.

[MeNMyVolt]

63. What the fuck kind of reply is this.

Please rethink it.

[pangaia]

43. Bravo for your daughter.

I just don't want this particular candidate to be the first female president.


I'm for the "Democratic Socialist."

[Ned_Devine]

44. Cheers to that

[George II]

45. I like your daughter.

[Indepatriot]

48. Have you educated your daughter on the fact that that woman voted to wage an illegal, immoral war,

that by all accounts resulted in the deaths of 100,000 or more innocents? I wonder how she'd feel about that?

[msanthrope]

68. She'd wonder if you held Kerry to the same standard when you voted for him in 2004. nt

[randome]

69. Snaaaap!

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[m-lekktor]

76. many of us did in the primaries that election and will repeat that this time as well.

so your overused and worn out kerry talking point is moot at this point in the election.

[msanthrope]

78. Indeed.....what did you do in the general? nt

[eek MD]

81. Probably watched the dems lose the white house?

You know... due to having a candidate that people had to hold their noses to vote for, and all...

[Indepatriot]

82. No need to wonder, I did.

[Nonhlanhla]

49. I finally watched The Butler this week

I just sat there at the end of the movie, thinking of this man, and the things he saw, from the terrible things that happened to his family in the South, to the racism he continued to experience even as he worked at the White House, to finally seeing Barack Obama elected as president, towards the end of his life. (The film is based on a real person, Eugene Allen, who served as butler from the time of Eisenhower to the time of Reagan, and who died in 2010.) I choked up. Race does matter. It matters when one race has been enslaved, lynched, raped and abused by another race for centuries. When things finally change so much that someone who represents that race gets to sit in the seat of power, then race matters. Race is not a thing that matters by itself, of course. Herman Cain or Ben Carson could not have filled that seat in the same manner. But when you do have a candidate as competent as Obama who also represents a group of people that has seen far more than their fair share of misery, then the fact that he also represents a visible manifestation of a changing society, does matter.

Gender matters in the same manner. No, not any woman will do. Sarah Palin would not do; Carly Fiorina would not do. But when you do have a competent woman running for president, and if she does win, then that is a good thing.

Msanthrope, your daughter sounds like a smart kid. Good for her for noticing what so many are adamant to ignore. The fact is that the faces of this country's presidents are a visible manifestation of the oppression of African Americans, Native Americans, and many others, and of the systematic exclusion of women from public life.

[msanthrope]

52. Welcome to DU. Let's hear more from you! Yes....faces matter.

They do.

You've explained it in a way I can't.....when you see no one like yourself in power, you think you are powerless.

[JunkyardAngel83]

62. Great post!

[MeNMyVolt]

64. Wow, dang good post. Glad you're here.

Hope to hear a lot from you. We sure could use it.

Happy New Year!

[rbrnmw]

72. thank you for posting this

[Juicy_Bellows]

75. Probably not, not because HRC won't win but more likely because they'll tear it down for

Star Wars land.

[riversedge]

77. Your daughter is very smart.

[AzDar]

80. So... Carly Fiorina would do? I mean, if gender is the overriding concern...