Should there be a full criminal investigation of the Bernie Sanders data breach?

[Renew Deal]

It is likely that several laws were broken. Should there be a full criminal investigation?

Federal Law

State Law

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[tularetom]

1. I don't know of any "Bernie Sanders data breach"

Perhaps if you were more honest in the phrasing of your poll you might get more responses.

I think there should be an investigation of the DNC data breach.

[Renew Deal]

3. Bernie Sanders campaign breached the NGP VAN data

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/politics/bernie-sanders-data-breach

[JonLeibowitz]

20. That is not how any fair-minded technical person would view the situation, just so you know.

[Renew Deal]

97. The fair minded technical people at NGP VAN viewed it that way.

As soon as we realized that there was an issue, we immediately mobilized our engineers to investigate the source of the issue. While we investigated the issue, we restricted access to affected areas of the VAN product for all users and limited access to data exports. Engineers quickly discovered the problem, and developed a fix.

We immediately began an audit to determine if any users had intentionally or unintentionally gained access to data they normally would not have access to within the limited timeframe when the bug was live. Our team removed access to the affected data, and determined that only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should not have had access.


http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

That campaign? The one that "apologized" and fired a guy.

[Ken Burch]

27. One staffer, who the campaign immediately fired, saved some files

The Sanders campaign also immediately deleted the files. There is no story here. You just want to get Bernie out of the race so that HRC can run on Bill's '96 platform, like you always wanted her to.

[ViseGrip]

76. A staffer Bernie did not know, who was recommended by the DNfuckingC!

Now,,,,it's getting more interesting.

[Renew Deal]

99. Why would he hire someone he didn't know to be his national data director?

The most senior person in that role in his campaign?

[Renew Deal]

98. My original view was that there was no story.

But since the "apology" we have had people saying that the auditor is crooked and the staffer was a plant. So the Sanders people seem to think there is a story here. I'm asking if people believe that law enforcement would be more neutral and people seem to believe so.

[AgingAmerican]

37. Not according to NGP VAN

But keep trying, and we would LOVE a full investigation!

[Renew Deal]

100. Maybe you didn't see what NGP VAN said?

As soon as we realized that there was an issue, we immediately mobilized our engineers to investigate the source of the issue. While we investigated the issue, we restricted access to affected areas of the VAN product for all users and limited access to data exports. Engineers quickly discovered the problem, and developed a fix.

We immediately began an audit to determine if any users had intentionally or unintentionally gained access to data they normally would not have access to within the limited timeframe when the bug was live. Our team removed access to the affected data, and determined that only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should not have had access.

http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

That's the campaign that apologized and fired a guy

[JDPriestly]

51. Identify specifically the law that you think that the Sanders campaign broke.

I looked at the federal law and didn't see anything applicable.

Bernie's campaign WAS AUTHORIZED to have access to the information by what NGP Van admits and identifies as a "bug" in one of its releases of the data.

There was not unauthorized access as I understand it.

There was no crime.

This OP is like asking someone about the last time he beat his wife. It assumes there was a crime when there wasn't.

Ethical? Well it depends on what Uretsky intended when he queried the database, and we don't know that.

Criminal? Not unless something was done that we don't yet know about.

I just don't see how accessing information that is opened up to you due to a bug in the software is a crime. NGP Van says no one could gain from the searches that were made and the data found.

At most, a very clever person might learn something about Hillary's strategy. But that is not all that valuable. It's the software company that had the problem.

Bernie's campaign is not accused of having in anyway attempted to obtain access in any illegal way to Hillary's part of the massive database.

This kind of post divides the Sanders supporters from the Hillary campaign, from Hillary and her political philosophy more than we were.

If Hillary supporters want to completely split progressives from the conservative DNC Hillary bloc of the Party, then they should push this kind of insult further.

If not, if they want harmony in the Party, then they should stop this nonsense.

[Renew Deal]

101. That's the job of the justice department

I'm asking if there should be a full criminal investigation. Maybe a better way to ask is whether the full investigation should be led by law enforcement.

[sabrina 1]

106. Bernie's campaign did NOT breach the data. A person recommended by NGP VAN AND the DNC was

responsible. Now the question people are asking all over the place is 'who WAS this guy'.

So a BIG FAT YES to your question, there sure does need to be a thorough investigation, which Bernie's Campaign is demanding. Not so much Hillary's or the DNC.

And just in case we don't get that, I am so glad Bernie did not drop the lawsuit. Get them all under oath and let's see if what is increasingly looking like a dirty trick is true or not. And don't bother with Cass Sunstein's old label 'CT'. It doesn't matter, perception is everything and each day with each new revelation, that is what people are thinking AND saying.

Blame DWS who violated the DNC contract with the Campaigns by rushing to the mic to SHOUT OUT that Bernie's campaign did something wrong before there WAS a ten day investigation AS REQUIRED in the contract. Why did she do that since surely she had no clue of the FACTS at that time?

Or did she?

[Renew Deal]

107. Who was the "person recommended by NGP VAN AND the DNC" working for?

We agree that there should be a thorough investigation.

The contract had clauses that permitted the DNC to protect the data

This is the part of the brief that permits the DNC to cut off the data

Cutting off access during the breach is covered here:

16) The Agreement requires the DNC to “use security measures, with respect to the
Campaign Data, that are consistent with good practices in the data processing industry.”
Agreement, ¶ 3(f). Under the Agreement, the DNC warrants that its services shall “be performed
in a professional and workmanlike manner, consistent with industry standards in the data
processing industry.” Agreement, ¶ 8.


Keeping access cut off until the problem is resolved is covered here:

17) The Agreement further requires the DNC to “take all measures necessary to
protect the secrecy of, and to avoid disclosure and unauthorized use of” confidential information
disclosed by the Campaign to the DNC (“Confidential Information”). Agreement, ¶ 7(a).
Pursuant to the Agreement, the DNC undertakes to “immediately notify the Campaign in the
including the full extent of the time, place and manner of the use or disclosure and the corrective
steps taken by the DNC to address the unauthorized use or disclosure.” Id.

Those two clauses let the DNC do what it needs to do to protect the data.

[sabrina 1]

123. The contract requires ten days of investigation before anything is decided, like going public and

making false allegations about Bernie Sanders, as DWS did. THAT was a violation of the contract, and cutting off access to the data BEFORE the required ten days, another breach of contract. Clearly DWS wasn't interested in facts, she was interested in trying to destroy Sanders' campaign. Don't know any frankly at this point, who doesn't believe that. To USE her position to do such a thing in itself is an abuse of power.

As for who he was working for? Good question, that is what Bernie's Campaign wants to know. And now so do a whole lot of other people.

[hill2016]

13. LOL

Bernie has already apologized for it on TV.

NO matter how you try to frame it, the apology is out there.

[Dustlawyer]

16. I am a Sanders supporter and I want the truth to come out!

I think the DNC, DWS, and Hillary are the ones who want the cover up. I hope we can get swift discovery and have it come out right before Iowa. Not afraid, I can handle the truth either way, but I am not worried, but they should be!

[tecelote]

28. Agree 100%

Now I read that Uretsky was recommended by the DNC and NGP VAN!

"I just think it’s utter hypocrisy on their part,” said the adviser. “I mean here we are being attacked for the behavior of an individual, which we ultimately fired. We agree he acted improperly, but it’s just amazing to me that this … individual that actually caused this trouble in our campaign was recommended by these guys.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251946750

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The investigation is needed so Sanders will be shown to be the moral and upstanding candidate he is.

Amazing how both candidates have a long history and Sander's has almost no scandals. Hillary... well, we all know.

[Renew Deal]

103. Who hired "this individual?"

The Sanders campaign is trying to deflect responsibility.

[Uncle Joe]

44. I totally agree, Dustlawyer.

[Renew Deal]

102. An investigation led by law enforcement would be best

Until of course people start saying that Obama runs the FBI.

[Ken Burch]

25. And that was all that was needed.

The staffer who accessed data was immediately fired. No cause for fauxrage here.

[daybranch]

63. Bernie Sanders apologizes for what he believes may have been poor judgement by a staffer or staffers

Bernie is a class act, Hillary is a crass act. Apologies are not signs of weakness but honesty. Bernie just continues his human ways. Hillary and her fans not so much.The lawsuit must go on.

[Renew Deal]

104. A class act wouldn't put out stories saying the staffer is a plant

Or that the auditor is questionable. Or say one thing in front of the cameras (apologies) and do another behind them (taking the fight to the DNC)

[CorporatistNation]

17. AGREED, VERBIAGE HERE IS MISREPRESENTATIVE OF THE FACTS! FULL INVESTIGATION

OF DNC AND ITS LEADERS, CLINTON AND SANDERS CAMPAIGNS... TREATED EQUIVALENTLY... ALL EMAILS, PHONE RECORDS AND COMPUTER RECORDS AT EVERY LEVEL UP TO AND INCLUDING THE CANDIDATES AND DEBBIE as well!!!

Let the chips fall where they may!

[Ken Burch]

24. Sure you used enough "all-caps" in that post?

[Renew Deal]

105. Up to now, only the Sanders campaign has acted improperly

The Sanders campaign has admitted as much. Any investigation would logically start in Burlington

[Politicalboi]

2. Full disclosure would be nice

And if it's found DWS and HRC had anything to do with this, I want to know.

[gwheezie]

9. I want to know what Bernie's campaign did

Is there any evidence or admission that HRC did anything wrong?

[artislife]

26. Lets do a full audit from day one.

That should be interesting.

[AgingAmerican]

46. They had the same access

And they wont say, so only a full investigation will work.

[BlueMTexpat]

55. As of yet, there is absolutely NO

evidence or admission that HRC or her campaign did anything wrong. But there is certainly a lot of inference and outright charging from several on DU that she did. In fact, the only "wrongdoing," to whatever extent, occurred on the Bernie side.

Perhaps those who are pursuing this do not realize how much they resemble the GOP in this respect. They are certainly projecting in exactly the same way.

I am a Hillary supporter and firmly believe that this whole scenario is much ado about nothing. But if Bernie supporters really want to continue down this path of negative inference even to the extent of a full criminal investigation, I say bring it on.

Just like the incessant investigations of Hillary's supposed "wrongdoing" in everything from Whitewater to E-mail gate, it is likely to blow up in their faces and make Hillary an even stronger candidate. So yes, please proceed.

[pipoman]

57. Are we sure that the DNC servers aren't in Hillary's basement?

[BlueMTexpat]

71. Of course they are!

Your comment is more worthy of these.

/revision/latest?cb=20131029220418

[tazkcmo]

74. Considering Hillary's track record with the "truth"

I believe we need a full investigation.

[BlueMTexpat]

90. Same-old same-old

GOPer TPs ... even during the holidays.

[cantbeserious]

4. Yes - This Citizen No Longer Trusts The DNC DWS DLC Third-Way Democratic Party Establishment

eom

[creeksneakers2]

5. Let it go

Nothing positive is to be gained by continuing the subject.

[Renew Deal]

8. That was my view last week

But things have changed.

[Ken Burch]

23. Nothing has changed.

There was one moment of accessing data on one day. And the Sanders campaign fired the person involved.

Nothing here ever justified blocking the Sanders campaign from accessing its OWN data.

It was a screw-up, not a crime.

[AgingAmerican]

39. And the vendor says no sensitive data was accessed

FULL INVESTIGATION PLEASE!!

[Renew Deal]

108. This is what changed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=946750

And this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=948258

And this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=944691

[Snotcicles]

6. Anything that gets to the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. nt

[underthematrix]

7. Why is the rhetoric on this escalating?

[AgingAmerican]

53. Rovian projection

The last thing the Hillary campaign wants is a full investigation, because given Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the Clinton campaigns reaction to Sanders announcing the breach and firing, and their silence on the subject since, they know most of the investigation would be on them.

[underthematrix]

94. On this site regarding this matter, the rhetoric seems to be escalating. Your reply is

a prime example.

[Renew Deal]

66. The Sanders camp now is complaining that the auditor is too aggressive.

Bring in the FBI and let them do it. If it leads to criminal prosecution of Uretsky and associates, so be it.

[Karma13612]

86. Link please. Eom

[Renew Deal]

109. Here you go

http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/12/23/curious-choice-of-auditor-for-democratic-database-flap.htm

[Karma13612]

127. I believe the better term would be "questionable".

Thanks for this. Knoll sounds right up the Clinton's alley.

When someone asks for an investigation, they should expect it to be IMPARTIAL.

This sure as he!! isn't going to be with Kroll leading.

[Dem2]

10. I just can't get into this

It's just not that big a deal IMO.

[notadmblnd]

11. beginning from day one of the campaign through the last inappropriate access

Investigated by an independent party to be determined by the judge assigned to the Sander's lawsuit. Then if it is determined any crime was committed, prosecute the guilty party to the fullest. I feel certain that it won't be the Sander's campaign being the party prosecuted.

[Ken Burch]

22. There was no "day one".

There was one data situation on one day. The Sanders campaign fired the staffer responsible. Enough already with the fauxrage.

This is just about trying to force Bernie out so that voters don't have a progressive candidate to vote for in the Democratic primaries.

[notadmblnd]

29. Sure there was. Day one was the day user id's were set up, permissions granted

and they logged into the systems.


There was one data situation on one day that got noticed. How many times were there data situations that went unnoticed? All we know at this point is that there was a bug in the system that allowed campaigns to access each others information on more than one occassion. We don't know how often it has occurred or who else accessed some other campaign's data if we don't look back from day 1. Hell, if the Sander's campaign hadn't told on itself, we still might not know of any inappropriate access ever occurred. I think it is very important that this be looked at from day one on all campaigns.

[pipoman]

59. No, it's not "very important" to anyone who doesn't want to

Fuck up the democratic primary for some reason. People who want the best democratic candidate to win can accept this for what it is....nothing.

[notadmblnd]

82. Now that made me chuckle

What are you afraid of? The only thing I see having the potential to be fucked up- is the status quo.

[pipoman]

84. This is exactly as stupid as those "Democrats" who want Justice for Hillary

[notadmblnd]

87. OK it's stupid

What could possibly come out of an independent investigation? After all, the DNC and the Vendor are as clean as a whistle, right? So be it. Then the Sander's campaign will look foolish and stupid, not to mention totally discredited- and the HRC supporters can do the Happy Dance.

Seems to me you'd all be chomping at the bit for an opportunity like that.

[pipoman]

88. I am chomping at the bit for a Democratic president in November

Not self destructive eating of our young....

[notadmblnd]

89. And the American people want the real change they were promised

[underthematrix]

96. What is the appropriate response to such a FALSE claim?

[Renew Deal]

112. Trump?

They got the real change they were promised in 2008. We'll see what happens in 2016.

[Renew Deal]

111. It would not be good for the Democratic race

to end with Sanders staffers in hand cuffs.

[notadmblnd]

121. Well you don't have to worry, it's not going to end that way.

[Renew Deal]

110. I agree

[joshcryer]

12. The feds are likely looking in to it already.

[hill2016]

14. hopefully

any criminal activity will result in an indictment sooner rather than later

[joshcryer]

15. Highly doubtful.

That would be highly inappropriate in the middle of a political campaign. The branches of government by most standards don't interfere with each other.

And anyway it will take months to gather the evidence.

[hill2016]

18. Could Sanders' campaign be charged with conspiracy to commit a crime?

We know that at least 3 people were involved and they acted in collaboration (element of conspiracy).

Under many state laws, unauthorized access to lawfully created computer data is a crime.

here's for example California's
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Comprehensive_Computer_Data_Access_and_Fraud_Act

[JonLeibowitz]

19. Sanders' "campaign" cannot be charged with conspiracy to commit this crime.

You could certainly set up a conspiracy charge against those three staffers. Good luck proving conspiracy in court.

[hill2016]

31. I'm sure

it will come out in discovery.

All the emails, audit logs, disposition, etc.

[JonLeibowitz]

33. The independent audit that the Clinton campaign should agree to will reveal all.

[hill2016]

38. I think its sad and pathetic

that Sanders supporters hope the audit finds that Clinton does something wrong just to protect their image of Bernie.

Face it, Bernie is the one that got caught in the cookie jar while there's no shred of evidence that Clinton did the same. Should the audit cover the MOM campaign as well?

[JonLeibowitz]

41. Did I ever say anything about Clinton doing something wrong? Nope, so please contain your outrage

Bernie did not get his hand caught in a cookie jar. Certain rogue staffers did who were then summarily fired. Of course, our understand of the facts could change. They also might not. The independent investigation should reveal all either way.

[notadmblnd]

83. Yes. The audit should cover the MOM campaign also.

And any other Democratic campaign that hired that vendor and the DNC to provide SECURE database services.

[pipoman]

60. Pergaps we should look under Hillary's bed...

Isn't that where she is still hiding the emails she has lied about losing?

Nah, how about we pick a candidate based on merit, not shoot ourselves in the head and hand 2016 to the thugs?

[Renew Deal]

113. This is more likely a crime of opportunity

Like someone stealing a car that was left on and unattended.

[Mr.Bill]

30. Yes, Trey Gowdy and his committee

should have the investigation wrapped up just in time for the 2020 Democratic Convention.

[JDPriestly]

54. Please identify precisely what law could have been violated?

What happened was not against any law in my opinion.

According to NGP Van's blog on its website, there was a "bug" in one of NGP Van's releases that authorized access for Bernie's campaign to Hillary's proprietary information for a short time. Same may have been true for Hillary's campaign. It may have been authorized to have access to Bernie's proprietary information.

If the access was authorized even if due to a bug in the programming, then how in the world could there be a crime?

Please explain.

[joshcryer]

61. Saving voter files of competing campaigns was certainly not "authorized."

In fact it went expressly against the PGN VAN terms of service.

We've seen people go down for white hat hacking before, so I don't know how this would be any different from the point of view of the feds.

Steam (the gaming platform) just had a bug whereby the cached DNS would send innocent users to other peoples accounts, if those people exported account data (for instance, sharing keys to games) to their own account I highly doubt you'd say it was "authorized" or "allowed." The voter file has tangible value.

[zalinda]

72. I don't think you understand the concept of

white hat hacking. It was a BUG in the software (at least that is what is claimed). No one put a back door into the software (that we know of). And, it's looking like there is more to the story than what was previously reported.

And, point of fact, Sanders had nothing to do with the 'break in' as some Hillary supporters contend. It would be like the president of CBS being charged with piracy when one of the CBS employees streamed a NBC movie on company time.

Z

[JunkyardAngel83]

77. Please. This was not white hat hacking.

You're grasping at straws.

[Ken Burch]

21. It wasn't "the Bernie Sanders data breach"

It was caused by the provider taking down the firewalls.

Once the Sanders campaign knew somebody in their shop had saved date the firewall removal had exposed, they fired the person who did that and deleted the date from their files. The Sanders campaign behaved completely honorably here.

This was not caused by the Sanders campaign, and there is no real story here.

[hill2016]

32. what about the people

who searched for sensitive voter information (those likely to be turned from Hillary to Bernie) in early primary voting states?

How is that honorable?

[Ken Burch]

36. Anyone who did that was fired, to the best of my knowledge.

And calling it the "Bernie Sanders data breach" implies that Bernie ORDERED them to do it. It was a staffer, or a handful of staffers, acting on their own, and they are no longer in the campaign.

[hill2016]

40. yeah

technically I guess the OP should have included the word "campaign" in the title.

[Ken Burch]

45. "The one-time staffer breach that was immediately rectified by the Sanders campaign"

Would be the most accurate description. There was no official decision by the Sanders campaign to direct the staffer they later fired to access the data(data that turned out not to be sensitive-as I understand it, it was mainly lists of committed Clinton supporters, so the worst thing that could have happened was that the Sanders campaign might not have sent support appeals to people who would never have responded to them anyway).

[hill2016]

52. what I read is that it was very strategic data that Sanders campaign accessed

(1) Who is most likely to be persuaded to switch to Sanders
(2) Who is least likely to be persuaded to switch to Sanders (what you pointed out)

It's like knowing the opposing team's exact playbook!

[Renew Deal]

114. Who is responsible if you walk away from you car and leave it running?

The thief or the car owner?

[Scootaloo]

34. Sure, give it a shot.

Maybe he can sit through eleven hours of DWS screaming at him on national TV. That ought to work out great!

[AgingAmerican]

47. ^^^100% pure gold^^^

[Eric J in MN]

35. Hacking laws are ridiculously broad.

That's why, "It is likely that several laws were broken." This wasn't hacking.

This is like if you were to visit amazon.com and see what other people ordered because there is a bug in amazon's software.

[AgingAmerican]

42. We have been calling for a full investigation since day 1

FULL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION PLEASE!

Did you read what the president of VAN said on his blog? Apparently not.

When the firewall came down, a small amount of data was searchable across both databases. If someone in Hillarys campaign searched for something with 'Sanders', hits came back from both databases and visa versa. Neither campaign sought out information from the other campaigns, it fell into their laps. The data that did come back was non sensitive. Both campaigns had access and only Sanders campaign did anything about it. We don't know if the Clinton campaign accessed anything, because they have been silent on the issue.

Investigate fully and CRIMINALLY!

The criminal part was Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the Clinton campaigns seemingly coordinated and immediate reaction to the Sanders announcement. DWS reaction was to try and destroy Sanders campaign, and she broke federal contract laws in the process, as well as breaching Sanders contract with the DNC. If there was coordination between DWS and the Clinton campaign, it is election fraud and it needs to be prosecuted.

[Renew Deal]

115. Here is what VAN said

As soon as we realized that there was an issue, we immediately mobilized our engineers to investigate the source of the issue. While we investigated the issue, we restricted access to affected areas of the VAN product for all users and limited access to data exports. Engineers quickly discovered the problem, and developed a fix.

We immediately began an audit to determine if any users had intentionally or unintentionally gained access to data they normally would not have access to within the limited timeframe when the bug was live. Our team removed access to the affected data, and determined that only one campaign took actions that could possibly have led to it retaining data to which it should not have had access.


http://blog.ngpvan.com/news/data-security-and-privacy

That one campaign is the one that fired a guy and apologized. Now bring in the feds.

The DNC is the administrator of the system and the Clinton campaign is the victim. That's why they would be "seemingly coordinated."


This is the part of the contract that permits the DNC to cut off the data

Cutting off access during the breach is covered here:

16) The Agreement requires the DNC to “use security measures, with respect to the
Campaign Data, that are consistent with good practices in the data processing industry.”
Agreement, ¶ 3(f). Under the Agreement, the DNC warrants that its services shall “be performed
in a professional and workmanlike manner, consistent with industry standards in the data
processing industry.” Agreement, ¶ 8.


Keeping access cut off until the problem is resolved is covered here:

17) The Agreement further requires the DNC to “take all measures necessary to
protect the secrecy of, and to avoid disclosure and unauthorized use of” confidential information
disclosed by the Campaign to the DNC (“Confidential Information”). Agreement, ¶ 7(a).
Pursuant to the Agreement, the DNC undertakes to “immediately notify the Campaign in the
including the full extent of the time, place and manner of the use or disclosure and the corrective
steps taken by the DNC to address the unauthorized use or disclosure.” Id.

Those two clauses let the DNC do what it needs to do to protect the data.

[pandr32]

128. Excellent

Your post will likely fall on deaf ears, though--there is no shortage of denial of wrongdoing, even though Sanders has apologized.
The DNC has been blamed by both Sanders and his supporters, unfortunately, but then it seems to work--over $1000000 in a single day after his campaign first used their blame the victim strategy.
This whole thing has been spun around until we have an alternate reality, evident in posts all over DU and elsewhere.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

43. No - but not because it was legal

But because it would hurt party unity. And any punishment would be disproportionately large.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[AgingAmerican]

49. Too late for that, DWS has already ruined party unity

[ConservativeDemocrat]

91. Not according to the polls

Most Hillary supporters like Sanders, and vice versa. We're talking more than 75% in either direction. Fringe hater types only seem to congregate on the DU.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[AgingAmerican]

92. As long as DWS is heading the DNC there will be no unity

[ConservativeDemocrat]

93. There will never be unity for the anti-Dem haters on the DU

So why should Democrats particularly care about their hate-filled opinions?

By the way, DWS will almost certainly be replaced next year by the incoming President Clinton. It is DNC tradition that every new Democratic President gets their choice to be chair of the party.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[99th_Monkey]

48. Hell No!! This is a classic Rove-style set-up by DNC/HRC/NGP-VAN/DWS. Fuck this shit.

Because:

a top Sanders campaign adviser made a series of explosive allegations about how the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and a political technology company that works with the party handled the incident. According to the Sanders adviser, the DNC and NGP VAN, a firm that has a contract with the party organization to operate a voter file, have responded to the data breach by “leaking information” and “stonewalling an investigation” into the matter.

and also:

The top Sanders adviser told Yahoo News one of the remaining concerns is that Uretsky was recommended to the campaign by people with ties to the DNC and NGP VAN. “It’s not as if we conjured this guy Josh from thin air. This is an individual … who was recommended to us by the DNC and NGP VAN,” the adviser said. According to the adviser, one of the references that Uretsky gave when he applied to work with the campaign was the DNC’s National Data Director Andrew Brown, who works closely with the shared voter file program. “Andrew Brown spoke to us and gave him a positive review, as did this guy Bryan Whitaker,” the adviser said. The adviser identified Whitaker as the COO of NGP VAN. Whitaker is no longer with the company. His LinkedIn page lists Whitaker as having left the firm for a job at another political data company in August of this year. Uretsky’s LinkedIn says he began working on the Sanders campaign in September.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=946750

[AgingAmerican]

50. The OP is calling for a criminal investigation, not a private one

Criminal would be carried out by the FBI.

[99th_Monkey]

85. I know that. And I know what the FBI would find out with an investigation

that Bernie is has been, and is being, set-up by TPTB, and that Bernie has NEVER
intentionally engaged in any "criminal" activity whatsoever.

What's your point again?

[Renew Deal]

116. Don't we deserve to know the truth?

Don't you want to prove the grand conspiracy about Uretsky being a plant?

[99th_Monkey]

122. Of course we do.

i.e. deserve to know the truth. <-- This is what the Sanders Campaign is all about.

As for proving any "grand conspiracy", that remains to be seen, based on what additional
facts actually come to light over the next few weeks & months.

I do think it's hilarious how Hillarians reflexively hurl CT insults when presented with
new facts they don't like hearing.

[pipoman]

56. Absolutely and of Hillary's servergate....why don't we just indict all of the Dem candidtes

Make sure we screw the pooch in November. ..yeah, that's how we should play this.. jezuz

[MattSh]

58. Trashed for dishonestly...

[stonecutter357]

62. K&R!

[msanthrope]

64. Who says the FEC hasn't already started one? nt

[Renew Deal]

117. Probably the FBI, not the FEC

I don't think this falls under election law.

[rjsquirrel]

65. Yes that would be smart

of democrats


Hell we didn't need to win this election anyway. Hi Pres. Cruz!

[Vinca]

67. Yes. I hadn't read the backround of "Josh" until this morning on HuffPo and

I can't help but smell a rat. The bottom line is, even if he accessed Clinton files because of a "bug," his background indicates he would have enough common sense and knowledge not to abscond with information. I had been assuming this was a couple of bad staffers, but after reading the article it sure looks as if this might be a manufactured scandal for the purpose of deriding Bernie. Too many roots trace back to the DNC. This is, after all, politics and Democrats have been known for as many dirty tricks as Republicans.

[Renew Deal]

118. The article is intended to look that way.

It's the Sanders campaign saying he was a plant.

[Vinca]

124. Well, it does look odd. Especially, given his resume, how he responded to the breach.

[mmonk]

68. Did I miss something? Was the system hacked?

If not, who is liable?

[Eric J in MN]

79. Depends on the definition of "hacked."

Was there hacking in the usual sense? No.

Would the ridiculously-broad federal hacking laws apply to clicking on something revealed by a bug? Yes.

[Renew Deal]

119. No. No.

The last question is tough to answer. Probably no one, but people don't trust the DNC investigator, so it might be preferable to have law enforcement handle it.

[bigwillq]

69. Yes (nt)

[randome]

70. You would first need to have evidence of a criminal nature.

So far there is only fervent wishing that something dirty can be dug up about Clinton. That's not a valid way to run a campaign.


[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[JunkyardAngel83]

80. LOL seriously

This is getting more ridiculous everyday.

[Warren Stupidity]

73. The polling data from NH and Iowa must be not good.

[bowens43]

75. the desperation of the hillary supporters is rising to a new level, they see 2008 happening again

[99Forever]

78. A full investigation. Yes.

But there was NO CRIME committed by anyone.

Your choice of words exposes your agenda. Ugly. Vile. Nasty. Underhanded. Sleazy. And VERY Clinton.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

81. Give the job to the Benghazi committee

that way it'll be an objective, unbiased investigation with no agenda.

[Renew Deal]

120. It should be led by Trey Gowdy's haircut

[Vattel]

95. What criminal law was broken?

[PowerToThePeople]

125. with as high profile as this appears to be

I would think the authorities would already be involved if it was criminal.

[fredamae]

126. We need a Thorough Investigation

by an independent, Credible firm to see what the hell went on and who "pulled the first lever" compromising security. We need to see the history of their server-earlier issues etc, find out the who-what why when and where of it all.

[R B Garr]

129. yes, let's see how far he'll take this ridiculous gimmick

What a pathetic show of phoniness this whole charade is. He only wants this to go his way so he can milk his phony victim status. Call his bluff!

This is just a glimpse into how phony and disingenuous his blustering is.