A fire has been ignited in America

[randr]

It is more than evident that a significant number of American voters are disgusted with politics as usual. Every aspect of our lives has been denigrated and our very lives are at threat; an insane foreign policy, poor management of our Nations health care system, lack of improved educational systems, complete disregard for our infrastructure, disregard for basic human rights, mismanagement of our natural resources, and a neglect of our physical environment all point to the failure of our current governing policies.
The choices to alter our disastrous decline are currently represented by opposing forces in each party. Both of these forces are correct to think that we need a significant change to effect any progress.
A significant number of these Americans want to take us back to a frightening world of white male domination. An opposing force of people want to join the rest of the free world and work toward more cooperative solutions to the problems facing all of us today.
I do believe that Bernie Sanders offers the more sane approach to these voters.

[peacebird]

1. Exactly.

[HereSince1628]

2. Yes, a fire... clearly now beyond a can of sterno

We look at crony IT service to be investigated by crony private security firm...

and must wonder, can this really get big enough to Bern-out the corruption of, for, and by the elite?

[rhett o rick]

3. We must wrest control of our government from the Oligarchy that is trying to buy this

election. Some don't want to know that the Oligarchy causes poverty and won't solve it. I see it as a moral issue. Support the 1% at the detriment of the 50,000,000 Americans living in poverty.

The choice is simple, support Goldman-Sachs profits or support the 50 million living in poverty.

[sorechasm]

4. Mr. Trump: 'You're Fired!'

That's the kind of fire I would like to see.

[dana_b]

27. I love it! Very clever. n/t

[brooklynite]

5. Clinton 57 - Sanders 30

Have yourself a Merry Christmas!

[Android3.14]

8. You say that like it's a good thing.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

11. Yes - it is so sad...

that so many are happy about the way things are

I was taught to think about the way thing could be

[artislife]

14. I think Brooklyn has the sadz

Because, I doubt if Bernie gets in, he will be invited to swanky donor parties at the white house. That's a lot of the fun about having loads of cash to donate to candidates. The black tie events are so enjoyable.

[brooklynite]

17. Of course nobody else will be invited either...

...do you imagine President Senders will have an open door policy?

FWIW - I've only been invited to one WH Party, and I never do Black Tie events.

[Live and Learn]

41. Did you know that bragging about one's wealth is boresome and in extreme poor taste? nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. Thank you! It's about time someone pointed that out.

[brooklynite]

44. Which is why I only talk about my financial situation...

...when people post lazy hyperbole about people with financial resources all being greedy undeserving conservatives.

[tazkcmo]

47. WQell, who can blame them for thinking that?

Look who they support!

[dreamnightwind]

55. +1

[Live and Learn]

48. I don't see how your posts disprove their theories. nt

[reACTIONary]

59. I don’t think broklenite is bragging . ..

..... just giving back some of the crap s/he's been getting in return for helping out. I don't see other contributers, monetary or otherwise, being treated to snide remarks.

[brooklynite]

19. A mainstream, pro-choice, pro-immigration...

...pro campaign finance reform, pro-criminal justice. Pro-progressive taxation Democrat with the experience of running a national campaign and the financial resources to compete with the Republicans...

What's not to like?

[ejbr]

23. Aside from her flip flops and fabrications, nothing!

[jalan48]

26. Campaign finance reform? Oh yeah, like that will happen under Madam President

[brooklynite]

32. In a gun fight, you don't disarm

[jalan48]

34. Sorry, no more half measures, it only leads to Republicanism, just more slowly.

[brooklynite]

37. Sanders has raised a respectable amount...

...for the GE, he'll need at least 10 times that amount.

How much are you good for?

[jalan48]

38. Slow mo decline into plutocracy-not ok.

When do we finally say enough?

[dreamnightwind]

56. He needs voters, not dollars

Sad the degree to which you get that backwards.

edit to add:

and the dollars Hillary gets will make sure she represents the interests of her donors, not the interests of the 99%.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34149-the-plutocrats-are-winning-don-t-let-them

Can we at least face the truth? The plutocrats and oligarchs are winning. The vast inequality they are creating is a death sentence for government by consent of the people at large. Did any voter in any district or state in the last Congressional election vote to give that billion dollar loophole to a handful of billionaires? To allow corporations to hide their political contributions? To add $1.4 trillion to the national debt? Of course not. It is now the game: Candidates ask citizens for their votes, then go to Washington to do the bidding of their donors. And since one expectation is that they will cut the taxes of those donors, we now have a permanent class that is afforded representation without taxation.

[brooklynite]

57. So you're suggesting he can campaign with no fund at all?

If not, my opinion stands.

[dreamnightwind]

58. Your opinion stands on its head

Votes and supporters, not money, are the end-game, and don't ever forget it.

He won't have "no money at all", because we'll make sure of that.

He doesn't have to outspend his opponent to win, he just needs enough to run a national campaign. Witness the Jeb campaign, far outspending all others, yet floundering. It is hard to win without money, but it is not as hard as winning with high negatives and wide but tepid support.

Bernie doesn't want, and hopefully won't accept, corporate money with strings, but there is still a lot of big money from wealthy Democrats who aren't in it favors, such as the liberal Hollywood actor cohort.

Hopefully when Bernie wins the primary the well-heeled Democratic establishment (such as yourself) that is throwing its support behind Hillary will open their checkbooks to him.

This is how we will win, or we are not a legitimate party for representation of the people.

[appalachiablue]

62. What you said, the truth of the matter.

[Android3.14]

33. Her chances in the general election come to mind.

Add that to her rather mercurial approach to "campaign finance reform, pro-criminal justice. Pro-progressive taxation..." and the suspicious nature of the "financial resources" you so blithely slid passed, and there is a whole slew of things to dislike.

[Cassiopeia]

42. Pro Choice

That is the ONLY issue HRC has ever been consistent on.

All of the other issues have been in a constant state of change.

[Katashi_itto]

20. Spoken like a true oligarch

[RoccoR5955]

24. Would that be crimes or negative attitude towards? n/t

[SmittynMo]

65. Please, by all means, continue to

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believe numbers supplied by corporate media, who is controlled/fed by the 1%.

Everywhere I go, I hardly ever hear her name mentioned. Bernie, on the other hand is a totally different story.

People on both sides are sick of the bullshit. It'll be Trump vs Bernie, with Bernie winning handily. It's really a no brainer.

I look forward to see the voter participation breakdown by age, race, etc.



And I hope you had a Merry Christmas too.



Note: I received a Bernie shirt!!!! Woo Hoo.

[Scuba]

6. K&R

[Historic NY]

7. Apparently after 40 yrs of the same hyperbole & its still not berning so much.

Hillary Clinton 57.2%
Bernie Sanders 29.5%
Martin O'Malley 2.8%

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary

Merry Christmas.

[randr]

10. I guess the Democrat inside of me

still carries that flame of hope that lead to Obama's victory.
I may die trying but a least I know the light when I see it.

[roguevalley]

21. hillary may lead on land line polls but something tells me that the rest of the ice

berg not tested is going to be clear on their choice and it won't be her.

[rjsquirrel]

64. Ah yes! That's it! "Unskew" the polls

Millions of working-class Americans are either secret oligarchists or ignorant.

57/29 is not a methodological anomaly. Pollsters are aware of cell phones. Losing candidates always promote conspiracy explanations.

Hillary has this in the bag.

[90-percent]

9. When is enough enough for the Oligarch's?

Well, if the distribution of wealth over the last forty years is any indication, it will NEVER BE ENOUGH. They will just keep legislating more for them by taking it from all of us until we finally realize what they did and...........??????

It does seem to be that the entire planet is starting to fully realize that the POWERS THAT BE are willing to ruin the planet and inflict massive human misery just to be rich and powerful. And why the hell not, they won't have a shameful place in history because the planet will become extinct.

I hope the Oligarch's understand that if Bernie looses, the angry masses will eventually hang the wealthy by the thousands like Mussoilini at the end of WW2.

-90% Jimmy

[randr]

12. Unfortunately the crazy people burned the poor minoritys

before the masses got to the Mussoilini's.

[reACTIONary]

60. Are you kidding ? The "angry masses" .....

..... aren't willing to vote for the guy, but will be running around burning and pillaging when he doesn't win? You've got quite the imagination there.

Just keep it within the boundaries of the first amendment , ok? Becoming a clear and present danger is detremental to one's life and liberty .

[jwirr]

13. K&R

[Doctor_J]

15. unfortunately many who should know better (duers) want to continue in the death spiral

Excuses abound, but the short version is that Mrs Clinton is entitled to the white house due to her gender and a lifetime as a dc center right operative. They would rather push away millions of young voters than embrace an old white Jew who believes we need an entirely new outlook. I am willing to stick with the party as long as they fight the republicans with everything they have. When they continually negotiate (losing badly every time), they no longer serve a useful purpose.

[Juicy_Bellows]

35. Well said. Perfect. Nt.

[JDPriestly]

16. K&R.

[virgogal]

18. So we need a white male to rid us of the "frightening world of white male domination".

Uh,huh.

[roguevalley]

22. we need the right PERSON to do this for all of us with all of us helping.

not just any woman or man. The right one who when they look at a crowd sees ALL of us and not just the rich ones.

[RoccoR5955]

25. So if a woman is your answer

And Clinton is not nominated, are you going to vote for Carly Fiorina, or Jill Stein?
Just wondering?

[dana_b]

29. Exactly what I was thinking

well we could have elected John McCain and then we'd be looking at possible Palin presidency right now. Now THAT would be helpful, eh?? At least she's not a white man!!

[jalan48]

28. Oh please, a conservative Wall Street Democrat who happens to be a woman is your answer?

No thanks. Issues are more important than gender.

[MisterP]

31. do you want to keep up the walls of white-maleness (whatever that is) by pretending

that's the only criterion worth anything, or do you want to go with the only candidate who understands and wants to radically shift the current system?

[Doctor_J]

36. Thanks for exposing the lie that hillarians "don't support her just because she's a woman"

Most of us know better but it's good to see it posted. Let's be glad Sarah Palin is not available for you to vote for this time

[MisterP]

45. *five minutes later* "They're saying we support Clinton only because she's a woman!!!1111"

[Doctor_J]

46. actually it was one of their own that said it. also they have been asked repeatedly for specific

policies of hers they support, and their response every single time is to change the subject. A couple days ago I asked one an even simpler question - which of Sanders positions do you not support?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=942573

No response to that one.

[Plucketeer]

39. I don't care WHAT the view in their undies is

As long as their aims and ideals serve humanity for the best. Female, Male, Genderless are not considerations. As long as they're not insane or suffering from terminal illness, they'll get my consideration based on their record and the proposals they put forward.

[floriduck]

40. Wow. That is the most ignorant statement

I have read in weeks. Congratulations on your high degree of cluelessness.

[Enthusiast]

67. +1!

[WillyT]

53. Well... Elizabeth Warren Chose Not To Run...

In fact, if she had, I doubt Bernie would have thrown his hat into the ring.

And if she had... I'd be all over that candidacy.

But if you think HRC is gonna be significantly different than the White Males that have dominated the political landscape for the last couple of eons...

I think you will be sadly disappointed.

[Number23]

70. You caught that too, huh??

Sometimes the intense disconnect here is hilarious. Other times it's scary. This one was definitely the former.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

30. When the Confederate Flag came down they claimed they were being exterminated.

[Duval]

49. K&R

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

50. Like I have said before.

Now is the time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.

Then Bernie will win.

[cantbeserious]

51. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[RKP5637]

52. Dump Trump and Flush the Toilet!!! n/t

[FloridaBlues]

54. Yep that's why he's stuck at 30%

[Uncle Joe]

61. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, randr.

[Betty Karlson]

63. His cross-over appeal is to all voters tired of politics as usual.

A status quo candidate would lose the GE because of the general revulsion about politics as they shaped up from the 1980-ies onward.

[cantbeserious]

66. The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Keeping The 99% Suppressed - Has Denigrated All

The people are fed up with the lies, deception and manipulation.

[Enthusiast]

68. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

[raouldukelives]

69. There are people who desire democracy for all more than personal wealth.

And there are those with money in Wall St.

Money which by working in support of corporate conservatives and conservative policies easily negates any minuscule personal efforts at being any sort of instrument for the betterment of all that they may imagine they are in whatever they call that clouded cuckoo land they call a mind.

People love to believe to lies, especially ones own. There is nothing on Fox News that a Wall St investor doesn't bankroll first. There is no warfare against the least that an investor hasn't donated for. There are no attacks against our democracy, our individual rights or even the very environment that our wildlife and future generations will not survive the loss of that they don't advance with each dollar in the hands of CEO's.