The irony of Hillary's sexist campaign

[cali]

Her campaign sends mixed messages. Ostensibly, there's a message of empowerment, but it's swaddled in cutsie condescension.

From the Hillary emojis to the box of Hillary approved household cleaning items, to the abuela thing to the endless stream of emotional appeals that are unrelated to policy.

I suppose this is the campaign's push to make her warm and relatable.

[Scuba]

1. In her Defense, if Hillary's supporters understood her policy positions, most would abandon her.

[jehop61]

4. It's terribly frustrating

when Sanders supporters imply that people who support Sec Clinton are not too bright and don't understand her policies. We have studied both candidates and support her because she would be the best candidate . Support who you want but don't denigrate those of us who think differently. It's insulting.

[stonecutter357]

5. we just don't know him.

[Docreed2003]

9. Agree that was insulting...

And I say that as a Sanders supporter. There's way too much "holier than thou" bickering from both sides...we support who we support, there's absolutely no reason to slam others a because they support a different candidate.

[MADem]

35. Welcome to DU and that's not how it works.

You aren't the teacher giving an assignment to the class. Cough up why you like your favorite candidate, and why you don't like your candidate's opponent, if you'd like, but don't go telling people to "fetch" your homework for you--that's also condescending and rude.

You have google, you can figure out the answers to your own questions with a few clicks--get busy!

[MADem]

48. No, if you want the discussion, you have to provide the framing.

You've basically said "fetch."

No one is going to do your homework for you. If you really "know what Clinton's issues are" and you really think you "know them well," then state what you believe them to be, rather than playing the Alex Trebek of DU.

No one died and left you boss. Discussions are a two way street. Opinions are compared and contrasted.

Right now, you're in demand mode, and you've brought absolutely nothing to the table. I heard you, all right, and find no reason to believe you are interested in actual discussion, based on your previous post.

[bvar22]

61. Here. I'll help you :

15 Fundamental Differences Between Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, and The Republicans:


1. Sanders has served as an elected official for over 34 years. Clinton & most Republicans have not.

2. Sanders has supported gay rights since 40 years ago. Clinton and Republicans have not.

3. Sanders wants to end the prohibition of marijuana. Clinton & The Republicans do not.

4. Sanders wants to end the death penalty. Clinton and Th Republicans do not.

5. Sanders wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

6. Sanders wants to break up the biggest banks. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

7. Sanders voted against the Wall Street bailout. Clinton and the Republicans (and too many "Democrats) did not.

8. Sanders introduced legislation to overturn Citizens United. Clinton and The Republicans did not.

9. Sanders refuses to accept money from super PACs. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

10. Sanders supports a single-payer healthcare system. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

11. Sanders refrains from waging personal attacks for political gains. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

12. Sanders considers climate change our nation's biggest threat. Clinton and The Republicans do not.

13. Sanders opposed the Keystone XL Pipeline since day one. Clinton and the Republicans do not.

14. Sanders voted against the Patriot Act. Clinton and the Republicans did not.

15. Sanders voted against the war in Iraq. Clinton and The Republicans did not.


Hillary sure seems to agree with Republicans a lot.
I don't,
that is why I am a Democrat, and voting for a Democrat....Bernie!

[TheFarS1de]

66. They don't do facts ....

they just spin around and around without any progression . Sort of like their "chosen one " .

[MADem]

70. Well, that guy didn't last too long. What was that about "spinning?" He was certainly rude.

The fact that he was nuked means he was either a sock or a troll--or perhaps both.

Thanks, MIRT.

[MADem]

69. ....

1. Hasn't done much in all those years. Otherwise more people would have heard of him.

2. He isn't telling the truth on that one, and that's been proven time and time again. He has NOT always 'been there.' http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/10/05/bernie_sanders_on_marriage_equality_he_s_no_longtime_champion.html

3. Sanders needs Congress to do that, so it's an empty "promise." Clinton is smart enough to know that.

4. See response number three.

5. See response number three. All appropriations begin in the House. He has ZERO executive ability to make that happen.


6. See response number three. Again. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/warren-introduces-glass-steagall-bill-to-break-up-big-banks/article/2567757

7. That's nice.

8. That's nice. Tilting at windmills, there, but nice.

9. That's not true. There's a reason he took that Super Pac snark out of his stump speech, and the reason is Nurses United for Patient Protection. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/bernie-sanders-super-pac/420930/

10. The road to Single Payer goes through Congress. He can want pie and ice cream too--he ain't gonna get it. Response number 3 applies.

11. Sanders refrains, but Briggs and that comic book salesman do not. Oh, and they cheat. AND engage in bizarre conspiracy theory angles when they can't talk their way out of trouble.

12. And he's going to do ... WHAT... about it? Point and yell? He needs Congress there, too. Clinton, like Obama and Kerry, can walk/chew gum on this matter.

13. Clinton kept her mouth shut on Keystone because she didn't want to contravene her boss, who was ruminating on the matter. The minute she was free to speak, she did. Your accusation doesn't match her views.

14. Easy to vote against something that passes overwhelmingly--it's a faux 'protest vote' that makes absolutely no difference (and won't interfere with a warming relationship with the MICC).

15. Sanders voted to fund every single military authorization that he encountered. It's one thing to vote against a war when you know that vote won't matter, but he sure didn't vote to keep supplying that war with additional weaponry, to include all sorts of goodies from new found friends in the defense industry...he entered into a friendship with Lockheed Martin that is nothing short of snuggly.

[daleanime]

81. #12......

You actually consider that a reason to support Hillary? The only things she'll be able to get though the more republican congress she'll have is the things I don't spport. Bad 'trade' deals, keystone, etc....

[MADem]

88. Politics is a game of inches, not this vague, meaningless talk of "revolution."

What "revolution" might bring is a one-term, gridlocked hot mess, and a loss of standing on the world stage. Sanders has never once supported a Democrat for ANYTHING. He's never campaigned for one, never helped to fundraise or GOTV for one, he's never even done a lousy little robo-call for one.

He's never extended himself past his own interest. Not once.

It's why he can't round up a cohort of super-delegates to tout for him--he just doesn't return the favor, and hasn't for a third of a century in politics.

Sanders benefited from a donation to his first Senate campaign from .... Hillary Clinton. She isn't afraid to help elect more Democrats, and fewer Republicans, to public office.

[daleanime]

89. Whether you use inches or miles, Bernie has the better chance....

to move the pile in a constructive direction. We can't continue the failed crap of the last 30-40 years. I know you're looking forward to Congressional candidates running away from Hillary, but I'm praying we don't have to watch that.

[MADem]

92. No, he doesn't. He has the better chance of going back to the Senate and using his

new 'fame' to push from the left, right and center, if he wants to do that. He can be an ally to POTUS, but he can't be POTUS. He doesn't have the chops.

Not sure what that last sentence was all about, because it's simply not true. Sounds like a throwaway expression of pique.

[daleanime]

96. Just bound and determined.....

to get President tRump, good luck with that.

[MADem]

97. Are you? Then what are you doing here?

I'll be electing President Clinton--but you have a swell day, now, hear?

[senz]

71. Thank you bvar22.

I hope they read it.

[bvf]

45. Welcome to DU

and congratulations on already hitting a few sore points with at least one Clinton supporter, and eliciting the expected response.

(Gotta love it when someone comes back with "Don't lecture," and proceeds with a lecture, no?)

[MADem]

49. Merry Christmas to YOU, too.

Enjoy the primary season!

[bvf]

74. Imagining things, are you?

[MADem]

75. No, but your little friend seems to have disappeared while i was away. nt

[bvf]

76. Another example of exactly what I'm talking about.

It's of no concern to me, your imagination notwithstanding.

[MADem]

77. Yes, that's why you flung yourself into the conversation, because "it's of no concern to (you)."

Sure, whatever you say!

[bvf]

78. Keep imagining. Heh.

[MADem]

79. Keep demonstrating. Heh. nt

[bvf]

84. Imagine, say, another few thousand

American ground troop casualties, this time in Syria.

You'll get all the demonstration you like.

[MADem]

85. Imaginings that won't ever happen just aren't worth my time.

People don't "demonstrate" in that fashion anymore, at least not in a sustainable manner. They couldn't even keep up CAMPING, never mind actual MARCHING. The energy required to demonstrate every week, year in, year out, is just not present anymore. It's regarded as more meaningful to gather at Reddit and go click internet polls--that's "demonstrating," nowadays.

[bvf]

90. Oh, ri-i-ight.

Imaginings that won't ever happen just aren't worth my time.

Off with the blinders already.

[MADem]

91. .....

[bvf]

93. And once again, the template holds.

[MADem]

95. Am I supposed to be impressed with that wee bit of "profundity?" nt

[Scuba]

16. Please list Hillary's policy positions that lead to your support for her.

Perhaps you can provide a rationale for her speech and vote in support of Bush's Iraq war.

Perhaps you can provide a good reason for her vote against banning cluster bombs.

Perhaps you can explain why more H1B Visas would be good for American workers.

Perhaps you can explain why she pushed for fracking while SOS.

[George II]

23. Is that the purpose of this thread, to run down yet another list of things she may or may not....

....have supported over the last few decades?

Now I see, it's not unspecified campaign (and in some cases fictitious) trinkets, it's just another outlet to generate personal attacks.

Sorry, no matter how much you guys do this, Hillary Clinton WILL win the nomination (probably months before the convention)

[MADem]

39. I'm amazed that this tactic remains in play.

Let's dig up old votes and stances that have evolved, and try to make something of them. Two can certainly play at that game, but what's the point?

Most people like candidates who grow and evolve. Consistency to some is rigidity to others. I, myself, like to see a little "growth" on the gun issue, particularly with regard to CONTROL, and I'm not seeing that from Sanders. That's not the only issue I have with him, but that is one of 'em.

[DonCoquixote]

58. asnd

Sorry, no matter how much you guys do this, Hillary Clinton WILL win the nomination (probably months before the convention)

And if there is any country left after she plays general in the Mid East, we know exactly who to make sure fingers are pointed at, the people who would have been happy to let Hillary make as biog a mess as she wanted to because they feel some vague sense of getting "their turn" and or "at least this person will respect my middle class privilege." The solace of 2017 will consists of seeing all the die hard, ride or die Hillary supporters be entered into that most famous competition "who gets to go under the bus first?"

[MADem]

86. "You're gonna get it!!!!"

"She's gonna play GENERAL in the Mid EAST!!!!"

"We'll POINT FINGERS when she does~!!!"


And....and....you'll be UNDER THE BUS!!!"


More likely, her superb preparation for, and experience leading up to, her election as POTUS will stand her in excellent stead. She'll get us some decent Supreme Court justices who will push back against the Scalia-Alito-Thomas et.al. nightmare, and she'll embark on a practically progressive agenda that will Get Shit Done.

I'm looking forward to it.

[stillwaiting]

22. Point me to ONE place on the internet where political discussion occurs amongst liberals where

Hillary Clinton is favored over Bernie Sanders. ONE will do.

[George II]

24. The election doesn't hang on, nor will it be determined by internet political discussion sites.

Just as this won't win the nomination or the election:

[rhett o rick]

26. Liberals don't support candidates that are backed by the Oligarchy. nm

[stillwaiting]

37. They damn well shouldn't at this point in our nation's history that's for sure. nt

[gordyfl]

57. You Might Enjoy This...

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[MADem]

80. There's one right on this website. nt

[cali]

33. I am implying no such thing. Your post, however, does not explain why you support her

What policy positions do you believe make her the best candidate?

[Broward]

40. The poster said most not all.

Clearly, there are some who understand her positions and still support her. Many of these supporters are centrists or lean to the right.

[roguevalley]

42. an entire thread in the HRC group said that someone was 'grooming BS supporters to be psychos'

frankly, the OP was being kind.

tell me how you can support someone who will establish a $12 minimum wage when everyone is fighting and getting busted up for a measily $15. That is why no one can grasp the attraction to HRC. One of the many things we can't as dems get.

[ismnotwasm]

18. Oh FFS

[Scuba]

21. Please see my post # 16 this thread ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=945855

[rhett o rick]

25. Her supporters purposefully don't want to know her policy positions. Ask them what

her positions are. They don't know other than rhetoric. "She favors a better America".

Some support her because she is a tough authoritarian leader and they need that.

[Scuba]

28. I suspect her supporters fall into one of three categories ...

1. They really, really want a woman President.

2. They really, really don't want a Republican President and feel Hillary has the best chance of beating them.

3. They're conservatives, but don't hate gays and minorities.

[rhett o rick]

36. I think you left off the most important category.

It's my opinion that many, many Americans have been raised to be authoritarians. It's so much easier to tell your children to do what they are told by authority and never question authority. It's a lot of work to raise children to think for themselves. It's so much easier for parents, teachers, coaches, bosses, military leaders, to lead with absolute authority. I will use the Catholic Church as an example because it's one of the most egregious. They teach their parishioners that the priests and higher authorities are deemed by God to be trusted completely. This is why parents continue to trust them with their children. This happens with teachers, coaches, etc. Very little training available to teach that authority should be always scrutinized and challenged. People look to the Establishment and HRC as the strong, tough authority that will take good care of them. To them freedom and liberties are sacrificed for what they think of as security. I think that most Republicons fit into this category as well as conservative Democrats.

[Scuba]

44. I don't disagree. It's part of what makes one a conservative.

[nyabingi]

38. I think many of them

understand her right-wing policies - they just agree with them and that's the scary thing.

[JackInGreen]

2. Agreed by and large

I can't complain about the emoji though, Bernies got some too (and they're ADORBS)

[shenmue]

3. Oh please

GD: Name-calling or GD: Anything You Don't Like. Sigh.

[bvf]

8. What you're referring to as "name-calling" here

most people would call "using ordinary adjectives."

GMAFB. The OP makes perfect sense.

[Smarmie Doofus]

6. Not much new there.

She's all possible things to all possible people.

In other words: she ain't much.

[sorechasm]

50. 'I think everybody should love me.' HRC

The ultimate dodge.

'Wall Street is not going to love me.' BS

The ultimate leader.

[djean111]

7. At the start of her campaign, the messages I got were pretty much

"Vote for me because I am a woman!" and the amorphous "I want to be your champion!" and the very off-putting smug assumption that because I am a woman, I would of course vote for Hillary because she is also a woman. Really, that put the idea of feminism back quite a bit, IMO. Especially when the atmosphere at that time was that many of us wanted Liz Warren to run.

Did Hillary's campaign assume that those who wanted Warren only wanted Warren because she is a woman? And would switch support mindlessly, ignoring the very real policy and issues differences, when Warren said she was not running. That is insulting, and did not prove to be the case.

And now it seems that if one does not support Hillary, it is merely because one hates women, hates "strong" women, or, and I read this right here at DU, one has "Mommy issues". What a bunch of inept and condescending twaddle. At the same time, we are told that of course all the wimmen-folks will of course be voting for Hillary, cuz WOMAN. Um, nope.

They should never have even tried that angle, IMO. Not the assumption, not the insults, not the household items, not the cookies, not the long lists of "stuff Hillary has said". The emojis, as I have said, crack me up. Look like a little guy in overalls who is happy to see me. So0rry.

"We came, we saw, he died," she joked when told of news reports of Qaddafi's death by an aide in between formal interviews.

No, not the least bit warm and relatable, and joking about death makes me believe she would have no qualms about sending more of our soldiers to the Middle East, to kill and be killed, in order to look strong or to shore up the corporate interests.

Just no, on so many levels and for so many reasons.

The constant whine and drone of those demanding we pledge our fealty in spite of this is insulting, especially when the HEAD of the DNC quite openly supports her GOP buddies here in Florida.

[bvf]

10. +1. n/t

[zeemike]

14. Yes, that is what they thought.

That we who supported Warren would mindlessly switch to her because she was a woman too...as if all we wanted was a woman and cared nothing about any policy or stuff like that.

But that quote you used, the "we came, we saw he died" did it for me...there is no way in hell I would support someone who thought like that and put them in a position that could endanger the whole world.

[baldguy]

11. It was just a matter of time

for Bernie supporters to start echoing Donald Trump.

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-warns-clinton-careful-using-woman-card-163546216.html;_ylt=AwrC1CgISn1WwiAAgTvQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTByOHZyb21tBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

[Proserpina]

12. the Donald is echoing the Bernie supporters

because: although the DNC may be ignoring Bernie's campaign as much as possible, the GOP is not, especially Donald Trump, who is a lot smarter than people give him credit for.

The fact that he's a disgusting lecher and a proto-fascist are a totally different issues.

[randr]

27. Bernie supporters and Trump supporters have a common interest

The end of the status quo. Most American's are sick and tired of the same old same old. A private club has been operating in Washington dolling out favors for their friends and putting the rest of us at extreme risk.
This distrust is echoed by these two opposing forces in their respective party allegiance and some day they may both take a good look at who they are supporting and choose the one that will most likely get the job done. There are far more Trump supporters that would vote for Bernie than there are Bernie supporters who would vote for Trump.
This is what keeps the Donald up at night.

[JackInGreen]

13. Where, how, links?

at that one I only see Trump showing his ass, where are the Berners echoing his 'she better be careful'? I can't think of anyone here that would be so base, critical, sometimes really harsh, but not 'she better be careful'.

[earthside]

43. It is just so obvious.

It is not anything about what Trump said or will say ... for the Hillarians and the Clinton campaign it is the same as eight years ago.

Hillary is 90 percent about "vote for me because I'm a woman".
Lords sake she is a center-right, multi-millionaire, elitist -- it is not about her policies as far as the Democratic Party is concerned.

And her candidacy is not just to have a woman President of the United States either, because there are plenty of much more liberal and progressive potential women candidates in the Party. It's about electing her because it is her turn ... and that is even more revolting to me.

[TekGryphon]

17. My goodness!

Cutsie condescension? Hillary emojis? Branding? Abuela?

You're right, Cali. This is a serious topic. I hope you and the other "I want my pony" progressives spend a LOT of time thinking about this.

I'm positive it'll move voters over to Bernie!

[SCantiGOP]

19. God I'm getting sick of these posts

I have half of DU on Ignore, but it doesn't stop the new topics from showing up.

This will all be over after the SC primary.

[Scuba]

29. Is that when Hillary will end her campaign?

[cali]

30. There is a simple solution: Don't read them.

[cali]

34. Simply interesting. I don't expect my perceptions to make any difference

That doesn't mean it's not an observation worth discussing.

[rhett o rick]

41. Would you rather discuss fracking and how Clinton supports oil company profits over

the drinking water of the 99%? Which issue would you rather discuss?

[peacebird]

54. (Crickets)

As expected....

[840high]

59. I'm tired of her pandering.

[George II]

20. Unbelievable how some can take relatively innocuous things and brand a year-long campaign....

..."sexist". And except for "abuela" not a single specific example.

Many could post a similar thing about Sanders but are afraid to because it would get hidden in an NY minute.

[cali]

32. Sure there is; the box of cleaning stuff, the stream of selfies with pop stars

[Ino]

51. Hillary's facebook bio...

Wife, mom, grandma, lawyer, women & kids advocate, FLOAR, FLOTUS, US Senator, SecState,
author, dog owner, hair icon, pantsuit aficionado, glass ceiling cracker, 2016 presidential candidate

[nc4bo]

82. I'm every woman, it's all in me.....

First thought that popped into my head when I read your post, were lyrics from a song.

I can cast a spell, of secrets you can tell
Mix a special brew, put fire inside of you
Anytime you feel danger or fear
Then instantly I will appear 'cause

I'm every woman, it's all in me
Anything you want done, baby, I'll do it naturally

Whoa whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa

I can sense your needs
Like rain unto the seeds
I can make a rhyme of confusion in your mind.......

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

52. The sad thing is that those cheap appeals work on some.

And, then they wonder why so many people don't even bother to vote or take politics seriously.

[lumberjack_jeff]

53. The overall impression I get is that the only thing she says that I trust

is when she's pandering.

There is almost nothing else to sink ones teeth into, except how unworkable and vaguely communist anything her opponent suggests is.

[JonLeibowitz]

55. Thanks for the thread, cali. You may be interested in an actual Salon, not The Onion, article I saw

https://www.salon.com/2015/12/22/wanted_young_feminist_men_thats_who_hillary_clinton_and_the_rest_of_us_are_desperate_for/

Yes, this was posted on DU and discussed seriously.

[MisterP]

60. not as bad as "I like Hillary Clinton. And I’m convinced that saying so can be a subversive act"

she's the *radical* candidate, dont'cha know!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251944119

(on edit: how'd I guess it'd be Marcotte? it's either that or Valenti)

[Nonhlanhla]

56. Calling Hillary's campaign sexist is a right wing move

Every time Obama says even the slightest thing about race, right wingers call HIM racist. Which is just a way of deflecting from the fact that he comes from a group who has been subjected to centuries of oppression. Calling someone racist when he mentions race is a typical right wing move.

Same thing here. Just because someone is talking about sexism, and would occasionally mention that she would be the first female president, does not make her sexist. If you think that, then you don't understand what sexism is. And that kind of move is a right wing move, because it is a deflection from the fact that she as a woman has been subjected to things that a man never would have, and that she represents a part of humanity that has been subjugated for millennia, an a group within American society that did not even get the right to vote until LESS than a century ago. Criticism of her campaign is one thing, but calling someone sexist if she mentions sexism is a right wing move. I would have thought better of people on the left.

In short, criticize her use of gender in her campaign if you must. But labeling it sexist is just a sign of someone who has no clue what sexism is.

I wasn't going to write anything on Christmas, but this headline had my blood boiling.

[cali]

64. Oh baloney.

This observation has nothing to do with what she said, nor am arguing that she is biased. I am talking about a campaign tactic to appeal to women.
The only thing that's rightwing is your predictable imaginings. Hillary supporters claim all criticism of her and even of her campaign is right-wing.

It's ludicrous.

[Nonhlanhla]

65. Appealing to women is not sexist

The fact that you claim that it is, shows very clearly that you don't understand what sexism is.

And no, not all criticism of Hillary is sexist. Where did I say that? Indeed, I clearly said, criticize her by all means, but to call her campaign sexist is the same kind of move that right wingers make when they accuse Obama of racism.

[Rose Siding]

67. It used to be called Rovian

Use the candidate's strength as a bludgeon against them. It is a right wing tactic, as you observed

[Doctor_J]

62. that's because her policies are by and large more conservative than Reagan

In fact the only thing keeping her campaign afloat is her gender. A man in favor of more war, for profit schools, for profit prisons, NAFTA, capital punishment, TPP, and xl, and who changed his mind on every issue whenever the wind changes, wouldn't stand a chance in the primary

[jalan48]

68. Why would a conservative Wall Street Democrat that's a woman be any better than

a conservative Wall Street Democrat that's a man?

[senz]

72. YES!

[senz]

73. I agree with you 100%, cali.

It IS insulting.

[Renew Deal]

83. Yes we know. You want to see her put in her place.

We can't have female empowerment. What is she thinking.

[JoePhilly]

87. Another slow day at the outrage factory.

The outrage widgets right after Christmas are always of lower quality.

No one wants to put in the hard work to create a high quality outrage widget.

[CharlotteVale]

94. After the cleaning supplies and abeula affectations fell flat I dread to think what's next.

No matter what it is, though, I'd never think of Hillary as either warm or relatable even if she poses with puppies.