NO Democratic Entity has ANY business doing ANYTHING with KROLL

[grasswire]

NO Democratic Entity has ANY business doing ANYTHING with KROLL.


This is the sleaziest of RW sleaze: black ops, war profiteers, covert actions that should be anathema to all Democrats. The underworld. The underbelly.

A quick look around google shows their connections to Bushco's worst. The idea that the DNC has hired Kroll is just sickening.

And look! Here's a post from DU 2010.

deconstruct911 Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. np
Kroll's connection to Jerome Hauer, john O'Neil, AIG, Blackstone Group all at the time of 9 11 leads me to believe Kroll was the primary security for the WTC with the Port Authority. According to Jerry Mazza of Online Journal, AIG is tied to the larger insurance scam of 9 11 and explains how other insurance companies would benefit re insurance sales/9 11.
http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_1291.sh...

Ty Rauber also dedicated tremendous time into researching AIG, Kroll etc. In a return email from awhile back he also explains in great detail these companies connection to each other and 9 11:

"I find recent history regarding AIG and the financial crisis to be extremely interesting, given AIG sold Kroll to Marsh in July 2004. In June 2008 MMC sold Kroll Government Services to Veritas Capital, which became KeyPoint Government Solutions, Inc. Veritas Capital, owners of DynCorp, are heavily interrelated with the Carlyle Group. Carlyle Group are owners in the Blackstone Group. Blackstone Group did the mortgage on the World Trade Center and invested in Kroll in 97 at the same time that AIG invested in Kroll. Blackstone did the WTC mortgage, Kroll WTC security and AIG, MMC and ACE did WTC insurance. All companies involved on that day at the WTC were financially interr
elated. They can keep moving companies around, but the paper trail never goes away. And they never keep these assets to far out of their grip."

.......

That's just one peephole into the workings of KROLL.

Whose idea was it that the DNC contract with Kroll??

There could not be a greater black eye for Democrats than dealing with this devil.

[leftofcool]

1. Are ya'll still beating this dead conspiracy theory horse?

[grasswire]

3. thanks for the kick

Facts:

1. The DNC has hired Kroll to audit the database.

2. Kroll is closely associated to RW and neocon entities, especially Bushco. Enemies of the people and war profiteers. Easily identifiable with five minutes' mouse clicks.

There is no disputing the facts.

[NanceGreggs]

13. And there is no disputing the fact ...

... that Bernie has yet to raise any objection to their appointment.

Just because a company like Kroll has done work for clients you don't like does not make them incompetent, unethical, or in anyone's pocket.

But as I say - if Bernie has any objection to their retainer, he's sure taking his sweet time saying so.

[bvf]

20. Using the same logic,

we can assume you're OK with cockfighting.

If you have any objection to it, you're sure taking your sweet time saying so.

There's a story (perhaps apocryphal), about James Carville offering $1000 to anyone in a meeting who would let him crack an egg on their head. After one meeting participant agreed, Carville handed over the $1000, and, without any comment or further action, immediately proceeded to the next item on the meeting's agenda.

If you don't get the point here, that's not very surprising at all.

[jberryhill]

34. Not really analogous

The poster has taken no position on cockfighting since the poster, like most people, is not affected by it.

The security audit here is not being made in a barn in Jamaica somewhere... it has a material impact on the campaign. Do you suppose the Sander's campaign has no reason to know of these facts, or do you suppose they have no reason to care?

[bvf]

58. Perhaps if you had read my post in its entirety

you would have gotten the point, but I realize that abstract thought doesn't come easily to some.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

62. You're being alert-stalked. Just a heads up. nt

[bvf]

65. Thanks. It figures. n/t

[Chathamization]

56. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

On Fri Dec 25, 2015, 08:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Using the same logic,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=945749

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Drawing an comparison between choice of an auditor and a despicably cruel and illegal "sport" is disgusting and highly inappropriate. Done for the shock value, and not merely "rhetorical" as most likely will be claimed.

That reference should be hidden immediately.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Dec 25, 2015, 08:44 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: Hi Nance. This is what it looks like when your alert doesn't get a hide. Have a nice christmas!
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Explanation: This is a pretty bizarre alert.
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Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[bvf]

59. Thanks, Chathamization.

The alert abuse continues apace.

[George II]

46. Responding to a post 2 minutes after it's posted isn't "kicking".

[daleanime]

51. How about....

a day later?

[Sheepshank]

68. Are you attempting to inform us that Kroll is partial?

That they conduct investigation using false premise and lie during the course of their investigation and produce false information in their ultimate report?

Since team Bernie is so tied to history and past actions, I'm sure you have plenty of examples of their biased and incorrect findings.

Fwiw, I am having a hard time understanding the issue with companies that have had both Left and right leaning customers. You appear to be telling everyone that every company must align itself to a political party, serve only customers of that defined political party, and deny all other potential customers. Even more odd, you appear to want to hire a company that is all pro Sanders...and we are to believe that it will be impartial? What a strange stand to make.

[Octafish]

37. What The New Yorker said.

...But a deeper injury to the Kroll brand may be in the making. R. Allen Stanford, the Texas billionaire now in jail and facing charges of having operated, from a base in Antigua, a multibillion-dollar Ponzi scheme, was a longtime Kroll client. Kroll also gave at least one other client assurances about Stanford. In 2007, a Maryland-based foundation retained Kroll to evaluate the soundness of Stanford’s bank, and Kroll produced a positive report. The foundation lost a substantial amount of money. (A spokeswoman for Kroll said that a lawsuit filed by the foundation has been resolved.) For more than a decade, Stanford fought off inquiries from a battery of United States government agencies—the F.B.I., the I.R.S., the S.E.C., the State Department—that were interested, variously, in whether he was laundering money for drug dealers, defrauding investors, avoiding taxes, or committing other crimes. He was finally indicted, last June. Kroll’s dubious role in the Stanford saga was detailed in the July issue of Vanity Fair. Although no Kroll employees have been indicted, at least one has been fired. The Stanford case has the potential to show a company engaged in something other than the integrity business....

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/10/19/the-secret-keeper

The whole article is an outstanding read. More than a history of an interesting company, it shows where the real problems with Democracy lie: Secret Agents profiting from Secret Government.

Take UBS, the Swiss bank, and AIG, the big insurer, both beneficiaries of the great Bankster Bailout of 2008.

No theory about it, leftofcool, just conspiracy.

[CorporatistNation]

67. Very Nice, This Choice is In Perfect Keeping With What The DNC, Wass Schultz AND Hillary Represent!

Further evidence that the DNC and The RNC have much more in common with one another than most less political ordinary folks realize. Hence the import of ensuring Bernie Sanders kicks keister in Iowa and New Hampshire to set the tone and put the Corporate Media and the Hillary Team in a dither. Then watch for more Crazy Stunts out of the DWS HRC Team... fer sure, fer sure....

[Octafish]

69. Ask Phil and Bill: UBS is into Wealth Management.

Just like ex-Senator Phil Gramm, who ramrodded the repeal of Glass-Steagall through the US Senate and onto the desk of former President Bill Clinton, who now works for now-UBS vice chairman Phil Gramm.

http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

Must be the competitive nature of capitalism.



Heh heh heh.

[NuclearDem]

2. Creative Speculation is thataway.

Though given the last few weeks here, it's understandable that someone would get confused about that...

[grasswire]

4. thanks for the kick

Am I to understand that O'Malley supporters have no problem with the DNC contracting with neo-con Bushco thugs to do DNC business?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

6. If you're completely unable to talk about what's being discussed, you could just admit it.

It's hard to give much of a fuck which way creative speculation is when we're dealing with actual facts here. Either respond to the thread or move along. You're contributing less than nothing to the conversation.

[NuclearDem]

7. Delusional 9/11 Truther nonsense is not "facts."

Frankly, this nonsense didn't even deserve that much of a comment. No rational discussion can be had with someone who believes WTC 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

8. Yes, but you're the one talking about delusional 9/11 stuff.

The OP mentions another OP from DU in 2010 that talks about Kroll and WTC security. But the OP's point is that Kroll is the last company the DNC should have hired for this investigation. And that's true.

Also, if nonsense doesn't "deserve" a comment from your highness, why don't you do us all a favor and just skip it? You seem to labor under the delusion that your words are special and that some posts deserve your commentary, while others don't. Just to let you know, I don't find you to be very compelling, interesting, or informed.

[NuclearDem]

10. "Just to let you know, I don't find you to be very compelling, interesting, or informed."

Don't ever seem to recall asking you, nor particularly giving a shit. Though you apparently find me interesting enough to start a beef out of fucking nowhere.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

57. Still, I gave my opinion, which is something I wanted to do.

[NuclearDem]

61. I don't even know how to respond to this level of hypocrisy.

[grasswire]

12. thank you nt

[99Forever]

22. Precisely.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

Abraham Lincoln

[jberryhill]

33. There does not seem to have been a failure of WTC security on 9/11

Unless the notion is that the hi-jackers were not signed in and issued a pass upon their rapid entry to the building.

[MrMickeysMom]

39. Right on time...

The rest of the story is lost on you.

[jberryhill]

43. I'm sorry, did I make some sort of personal comment?

Perhaps you might explain to me how the building security provider might have something to do with whether airplanes hit the buildings.

[MrMickeysMom]

48. Nothing's personal...

It's all in a day's work...

[jberryhill]

52. Ah, I see

Yes, I earn a fabulous living hiding the truth about 9/11 on DU.

Pays better than the UFO coverup!

[Octafish]

40. People in both buildings were told to stay in their offices after the first plane hit.

Security failed them.

Another Morgan Stanley employee, Arturo Domingo, told the New York Times that he too had started down from the sixtieth floor, and was told to go back up by a man with a bullhorn. 'I really felt like punching that guy,' he said of the official, after returning to his office and managing a second escape following the second attack.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/sep/16/september11.usa3

[leveymg]

50. Tell that to John O'Neill and 3,000 others.

The security failure was, of course, far wider. But like Blackwater, Kroll is saturated with the spooks who were part of massive policy failure that we call 9/11.

[rhett o rick]

28. The easy way to avoid an actual discussion is to make ad hominem attacks. If you don't

like the message, try to lock it or hide it or ban it. Not very Democratic behavior.

[NuclearDem]

31. 9/11 truthers are incapable of rational discussion.

Knowing what discussions are worth having and which ones will simply go down a rabbit hole of wasted time and tinfoil lunacy is part of being rational, scientific, and democratic.

[rhett o rick]

55. Once again if you don't agree with the message you call the messanger names in the hope of

belittling them into silence.

[NuclearDem]

60. No, just calling a spade a spade.

[rhett o rick]

64. Yes I recognize that justifcation, "they deserved it." Not what a Democrat would say. nm

[Octafish]

38. Anything to refute the OP?

For those who want to learn:

Before founding Kroll, its namesake Jules Kroll cut his teeth at Wall Street firms like Goldman Sachs, a company that OpenSecrets.org ranked as Clinton's second-largest lifetime donor.

"Den of Thieves," a book about insider-trading scandals of the 1980s by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist James Stewart, reported that Kroll detectives were spotted "shadowing" a cooperating witness against a Goldman Sachs investor to intimidate him from testifying.

Kroll also kept tabs on counsel for attorneys representing Ecuadorean rainforest residents who won a $9.5 billion environmental verdict against Chevron....

Though Chevron is a massive political contributor on both sides of the aisle, the company poured at least $10 million into State Department projects while Clinton headed the office.

SOURCE: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/23/1463333/-Auditor-Chosen-By-DNC-to-Investigate-Data-Breach

Ignorance should never be in fashion. On you, though, NuclearDem, it looks natural.

[mythology]

5. You seriously expect people to take the word of a guy who claims that Tower 7 was

a controlled demolition (set up months before September 11) for insurance purposes?

I have no words to express how insultingly stupid I find Jerry Mazza.

[MrMickeysMom]

41. You have no words? Sure you do...

You just expressed them and exposed your purposeful ignorance so well!

[Ken Burch]

9. But he's one of the funniest guys on tv...

And he lives with Amy Poehler, too.

(oh...did you mean something ELSE?)

[JunkyardAngel83]

23. LOL

He's who I picture every time I read the name Kroll.

[H2O Man]

11. Recommended.

Thank you!

[shenmue]

14. Creative Speculation used to be a section

[starroute]

15. So Kroll was formerly owned by AIG

Even leaving out the "insurance scam" stuff -- which is where the 9/11 truther claims come in -- the Kroll/AIG connection is extremely interesting. This may not amount to anything, since AIG sold Kroll in 2004, but it could be worth following up.

http://www.propublica.org/article/hillary-clinton-mixed-record-on-wall-street-tough-cut-it-out-talk

On Sept. 18, 2008, as the government grappled with collapsing markets, Clinton took to the Senate floor. “After years of laissez-faire policies for the middle class, the Bush administration has acted on behalf of Wall Street, with the largest and most significant Federal interventions in the history of our modern financial system,” she said. “The largest banks in the world could have closed-door meetings with the White House and the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department to discuss their bailout options, but millions of homeowners with mortgages worth more than their homes, or who are facing default and foreclosure, don’t have the same opportunity.”

A day before that speech, Clinton had quietly reached out to Paulson, Bush’s Treasury secretary, on behalf of some wealthy investors in AIG. The giant insurer had made bad bets on the mortgage market, couldn’t pay its debts and faced imminent collapse. Shareholders were poised to lose billions if the company went bankrupt or was taken over by the government.

A review of Paulson’s calendars shows that he and Clinton talked on Sept. 17 and 20. In his book about the financial crisis, Paulson mentions just the first conversation, saying that Clinton called on behalf of Mickey Kantor, a lawyer, who represented a group interested in staving off AIG’s imminent collapse. The group’s investment banker, according to news accounts at the time, was Roger Altman. Kantor and Altman are long-time friends of Hillary Clinton and served as senior officials in her husband’s administration. Altman headed a secret energy task force for Clinton when she was in the Senate.


http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/10/aig-bailout-trial-bombshell-paulson-rejected-chinese-offer.html

One last tidbit: notice how Hillary Clinton appeared to be doing a peculiar favor for a Republican administration? Mickey Kantor, who was fronting for the Middle Eastern investors, is a long-standing Clinton ally and a continuing major fundraiser for the Clintons. The fact that he was representing investors meant he was looking to broker a deal to get a fee. For a presumed multi-billion dollar investment at the level of fees JP Morgan was hoping to charge (5%), that could easily represent a nine-figure payday. One has to wonder whether if his firm, Mayer Brown, had landed such a big fee would have thanked Hillary Clinton for her help, say by writing a large check to the Clinton Foundation or throwing its muscle behind Hillary’s future campaigns.

[grasswire]

29. there is a ton of dirt to be found on researching Kroll...

....and both Bush and Clinton affiliations. I'm calling on Octafish to come and help provide information.

[Octafish]

42. starroute is TOPS!

You honor me, grasswire. Like you, starroute is second-to-none.

[Uncle Joe]

16. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, grasswire.

[haikugal]

17. Important information, thanks grasswire, K&R!

[Scuba]

18. K&R

[Segami]

19. K&R

[stillwaiting]

21. The very FACT that the DNC contracted Kroll should make us RUN to vote for Bernie.

It really says it all. It should be blatantly and eye-openingly revealing (for those that continue to keep their eyes closed to what we're dealing with).

[grasswire]

30. damn straight

We are at the mercy of thugs, unless we resist DNC.

[Ferd Berfel]

24. No Democratic Entity is doing biz with Kroll - the Third Way, DLC, DNC is.

[Blue_Adept]

25. I doubt any company would be "independent" enough for the Sanders supporters

[Doctor_J]

26. too many in the party are part of the rot in dc. dws and Hillary are among them

The fact that a company that let the database get breached twice is still in charge of it tells me that something is wrong, and that the people at the top don't care.

[bvar22]

27. Sleazy is as Sleazy does,

and hiring Kroll is as sleazy as it can get.
They are the slime at the very bottom of the snot barrel.

[grasswire]

32. well said

...and the fact that some Hillary supporters will defend this kind of corrupted collaboration with thuggery is especially astounding.

[bvar22]

35. That is disturbing.

That kind of propaganda, talking points, authoritarianism, Loyalty Oaths, demonization of the opposition, secret hide outs, and conformity....
reminds me of another period in History, not so long ago.

[Octafish]

36. Kroll for a fixed history.

From ReBrn.com, a great summation with links to some damning fact.

Kroll Inc, the auditor who'll probe Bernie for the DNC, has been accused of intimidation, police impersonation, bribing people for testimony, wiretapping, illegal email surveillance, and producing inaccurately favorable reports about valued clients of theirs. This will not be an independent audit.

For a taste of the probing Bernie is going to get from the DNC, "The Secret Keeper -- Jules Kroll and the world of corporate intelligence" is a good read. Kroll specializes more in human intelligence than IT security, so Bernie's campaign should anticipate infiltration by Kroll employees who formerly worked for national intelligence services like the CIA. Also the accusations in the Stanford case suggest that Kroll is not above doctoring its reports to please its clients.

Kroll has suffered its share of embarrassments. Its agents have admitted to Dumpster-diving through shredded documents once they’re on public property. That happened in a fight between the cosmetics giants Avon and Mary Kay. But there are allegations that the firm has gone lower still. According to James B. Stewart’s book “Den of Thieves,” Martin A. Siegel, who, in 1987, had pleaded guilty to insider trading while at Kidder, Peabody, was harassed by Kroll operatives seeking to intimidate him so that he wouldn’t testify against an arbitrageur at Goldman Sachs. The Kroll employees impersonated a New York City police officer and a journalist; scared off a potential donor to a children’s camp that Siegel was setting up; and paid his sixteen-year-old babysitter fifty dollars for damning information about him. (Jules Kroll disputes this account.)

SNIP...

But a deeper injury to the Kroll brand may be in the making. R. Allen Stanford, the Texas billionaire now in jail and facing charges of having operated, from a base in Antigua, a multibillion-dollar Ponzi scheme, was a longtime Kroll client. Kroll also gave at least one other client assurances about Stanford. In 2007, a Maryland-based foundation retained Kroll to evaluate the soundness of Stanford’s bank, and Kroll produced a positive report. The foundation lost a substantial amount of money. (A spokeswoman for Kroll said that a lawsuit filed by the foundation has been resolved.) For more than a decade, Stanford fought off inquiries from a battery of United States government agencies—the F.B.I., the I.R.S., the S.E.C., the State Department—that were interested, variously, in whether he was laundering money for drug dealers, defrauding investors, avoiding taxes, or committing other crimes. He was finally indicted, last June. Kroll’s dubious role in the Stanford saga was detailed in the July issue of Vanity Fair. Although no Kroll employees have been indicted, at least one has been fired. The Stanford case has the potential to show a company engaged in something other than the integrity business.

CONTINUED w/links and some ideas to Twitter...

http://rebrn.com/re/kroll-inc-the-auditor-wholl-probe-bernie-for-the-dnc-has-been-ac-1935718/

[tammywammy]

44. I hope you have contacted the Bernie Sanders campaign. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

45. Is this the possible responses when the Audit Report does not

Exonerate the staff members? Time will tell, let the truth come forward.

[George II]

47. Isn't Sanders now a "Democratic entity"? He agreed to this audit.

[MrMickeysMom]

49. The DNC should call in a neutral investigation as a party entity...

What process did they use that resulted in Kroll?

Let's look at that process first...

[Jarqui]

53. Repost on stuff I saw related to using Kroll as an auditor for this issue

Kroll, Our history
http://www.kroll.com/en-us/who-we-are/history

Kroll is currently owned by Corporate Risk Holdings, LLC, which is also the parent company of two separately-managed information service businesses: HireRight and Kroll Ontrack. The majority shareholders of Corporate Risk Holdings are certain investment funds, including funds managed by Third Avenue Management LLC, Litespeed Management LLC and Mudrick Capital Management LP.

Mark Williams, President & CEO of the related Kroll Ontrack is a 2016 Clinton campaign donor.
Michael Cabonargi, Associate Managing Director of Kroll is a 2016 Clinton campaign donor.
William C. Nugent, Regional Managing Director of Kroll was a 2008 Clinton donor

Third Avenue Management Holdings LLC donated to Hillary's 2008 campaign
http://docquery.fec.gov/pres/2008/M2/C00431569/A_EMPLOYER_C00431569.html
These may well be various employees from the same company
THIRD AVE MANAGEMENT 6,900.00
THIRD AVE MANAGEMENT LLC 2,300.00
THIRD AVENUE 2,300.00
THIRD AVENUE HOLDINGS LLC 2,300.00
THIRD AVENUE MANAGEMENT 4,600.00
THIRD AVENUE MANAGEMENT LLC 2,300.00
THIRD AVENUE MGMNT 2,300.00
THIRD AVENUE MGMNT LLC 2,300.00

Martin J. Whitman, CFA, Chairman and Portfolio Manager of Third Avenue Management LLC
http://thirdave.com/who-we-are/people/investment-team-2/
appears to have been donating to Hillary since 2000

Third Avenue Management may have been a lobbyist in 2006

THIRD AVENUE MANAGEMENT PRIVATE FOUNDATION (Third Ave Mgmt LLC is the contributor to this)
https://www.citizenaudit.org/261865570/

509(a)(1) Purpose of grantlcontribution General 8. Unrestricted -E .4 W I.
Name WILLIAM J CLINTON FOUNDATION
Street 610 PRESIDENT CLINTON AVE, 2ND FL City State Zip Code
LITTLE ROCK AR

- another Clinton Foundation Donor that is missed on the Clinton Foundation donor list
http://omegaworldnews.com/?p=16874


Jason Mudrick is a hedge fund manager and the founder and current President and Chief Investment Officer of Mudrick Capital Management. who gave Clinton $2,700 in 2008 and 2016. And he managed to scrape up $50,000-$100,000 for the poor, cash starved Clinton Foundation.
http://omegaworldnews.com/?p=16874

That looks a little fishy for an impartial auditor, doesn't it?

EDIT: (I didn't see any of them donating to Sanders - could have missed one ..)

[Gothmog]

54. So Sanders is exercising poor judgment in agreeing to use Kroll?

[jberryhill]

63. Sanders has likewise not discerned the "truth" of 9/11

[Octafish]

70. The truth as revealed by Phil Zelikow and Condescenda Rice?

That truth? That seemed absolutely fulsome, especially compared to the vaporware word of George W Bush and Richard Cheney, given with each other's presence, and not under oath. That truth stinks of wholesale treason. Ask Cass Sunstein.

[Sancho]

66. Heck, Bernie should get used to the RW attack dogs!!!

Kroll will be good practice.

We know that Hillary can fight and win against the best of the GOP - including private investigators, Senate committees, and rumor mills.

Bernie needs an easy test with a middle-road, DNC hired company to see how his operation fares. If he can't take this little hit then we know he won't survive 2 seconds in the real world outside of Vermont and friendly primaries.

Let's see how he does with the professionals - he needs the practice.