The True Colors Of Our Candidates.

[liberalnarb]

[liberalnarb]

2. Hillary Represents the bluedogs and the DLC/Third-Wayers

[Agschmid]

3. Unrec, and inaccurate.

[Android3.14]

4. Interesting claim

Please enlighten us.

(crickets)

[JonLeibowitz]

5. I support Sanders but at least the private prisons claim is inaccurate. n/t

[liberalnarb]

7. No its quite true.

She voted for harsher laws ramping up the war on drugs.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. I support Sanders and I find it inaccurate to reduce LGBT rights to 'gay rights' and then equate

those rights to marriage alone. The verbiage, in a rush to insult Hillary, sort of insults lots of other people and has a very clear heterosexual point of view. I take great issue with the number of years Hillary took to support marriage equality, but you can't say she opposed 'gay rights' until 2010. Because she didn't, because 'gay rights' are really LGBT rights and because those rights are not exclusively about marriage.
I did not read the rest of the list after that. Would you?

[liberalnarb]

14. The subject was Gay Marriage. Which Hillary took a long time to evolve on.

[Bluenorthwest]

17. The term is marriage equality but you simply did not address a fucking thing I said and that is

lacking in Christmas spirit. It is your chart that reduces LGBT rights to the term 'gay rights' and then equates the entire spectrum of those rights to what you call 'gay marriage'. It's inaccurate, Hillary aside. The fact is she did not oppose gay rights, as you say. She opposed marriage equality for far too long, and for that reason I pick another candidate, but she's been very good on many LGBT issues over the years. Back when Bernie was a young man starting out a lifetime of support, the rights he supported had nothing to do with marriage, that was decades away. So again, it is inaccurate to equate LGBT rights to marriage equality alone, and it is really far better to use the term marriage equality rather than 'gay marriage' because the marriages are just marriages.
It's not accurate, even if you leave Hillary out of it entirely. My complaints by and large don't have to do with her. I do think that using bogus and extreme negative campaign rhetoric of the very sort Bernie eschews is an idea that can only be called stupid even if it is done with great excellence. This mediocre smear fest, as I said, insults other people on the way to insulting Hillary. Giant error.

[Agschmid]

20. Yup.

[dsc]

48. while I am a Hillary supporter

the gay man you are so casually dismissing in this thread is a Bernie supporter. It is crystal clear what you think of LGBT issues and people by your behavior in this tread. And it is by no means pretty.

[JonLeibowitz]

16. I know, but in triangulating fashion I think she has moved on to new, currently popular positions.

[CorporatistNation]

78. Hillary WILL Say Or DO ANYTHING To Get A Vote... Then When It Is Convenient...

Switch Positions to Whatever will facilitate achieving her current objective. The woman has ZERO Character plain and simple. To say that you are voting for her is to demonstrate a similar lack of character or perceptual or ethical deficiencies in not recognizing her record of incompetence, irresponsibility and dishonesty.

[George II]

45. When?

[liberalnarb]

6. INNACURATE???

Really? Where are the REAL facts then? These are facts. Deal with it. If you have a problem with them then maybe you should re think who you support. These are cold hard facts. The truth hurts

[MoreGOPoop]

18. The Truth Berns!

[George II]

46. It's a serious of vague, subjective bullet points, NONE are "cold hard facts".....

Yes, the truth hurts which is why this chart contains little truth.

[rhett o rick]

10. Your arguement is lacking substance. Actually the list is incomplete. It leaves off her support

for fracking where she agrees with the Republicons. Not sure what she wants to do to Social Security but she certainly doesn't want to raise the cap. In fact, none of the social justice issues she supports will cost her friends a dime. She is ok with the ever growing wealth disparity.

[Agschmid]

19. When responding to a false meme...

As mentioned by the other folks up thread... substance isn't really required.

[rhett o rick]

56. Funny how that works out. Call something a "false meme" and they you can disparage without

substance.

[Agschmid]

57. Well when it's false... Then that's all it deserves.

[rhett o rick]

58. So you think all you have to do is declare it false and it is. An open minded person would recognize

that there are often two sides and proceed to debate the issue. Explain why they BELIEVE it's false not demand that everyone agree. You don't like to debate issues, do you?

[Agschmid]

59. Most of the people who have chimed in on this subthread...

Including sanders supporters agree with me, and yes on this one that's all I need.

[GoneFishin]

52. Yep. Social issues that don't cost a dime are a favorite go-to for right wingers pretending to be

on your side while they pick your pocket.

[HoneychildMooseMoss]

68. Absolutely

[TheFarseer]

33. Please tell me what part is inaccurate

Hillary is only a good candidate if you have inside the Beltway wisdom. Not if you're trying to work for a living.

[Agschmid]

34. Check up thread, already people have agreed with me and made their cases.

These types of posts which include meme's not based on facts do nothing to further the discussion here on DU.

Oh and maybe ask the OP what happened to O'Malley any meme worth its salt should include him, he is running for the nomination you know.

[TheFarseer]

37. The only refuting I see is muddying the water on what gay rights means

Hillary has always believed gays have the right to vote. Super.

Ps I like Omalley but he's polling at 3%

[dsc]

49. you do realize that it was literally illegal to be gay in wide swaths of this country

in the 2000's. You do realize that tomorrow, I could be fired from my job, evicted from my apartment, refused service in any public accomadation all because I am gay. LGBT issues aren't all 'gay marriage' (by the way the correct term is marriage equality). That is what a gay man WHO SUPPORTS BERNIE was pointing out upthread. Not that you care one whit about LGBT issues.

[TheFarseer]

64. First

not sure where I ever said "gay marriage" Second, not sure how Hillary is more of a champion of LGBT issues than Bernie. They both seem about equally friendly toward the LGBT community even though some would disagree and point out Bernie supported marriage equality first. Third, I think gay/lesbian couples should have the same rights as heterosexual couples. One of my best friend's is a gay man who just got married - allthough if you wanted to say marriage equality is not my number 1 priority, you would be correct.

[George II]

47. Points 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, and 11. They're either totally inaccurate or exaggerations of the truth.

Thank you.

[Matariki]

76. Would you explain?

Which parts are untrue?

[Agschmid]

79. I think it was well explained throughout the subthread...

By Clinton and Sanders supporters.

Meme's aren't worth my time that's why my comment "lacked substance" as it was so kindly put.

[elleng]

8. Wrong, and I'm very sorry you omitted Martin O'Malley,

who has many accomplishments, for exampl:

Martin O'Malley:

1. Ended death penalty in Maryland
2. Prevented fracking in Maryland and put regulations in the way to prevent next GOP Gov Hogan fom easily allowing fracking.
3. Provided health insurance for 380,000
4. Reduced infant mortality to an all time low.
5. Provided meals to thousands of hungry children and moved toward a goal for eradicating childhood hunger.
6. Enacted a $10.10 living wage and a $11. minimum wage for State workers.
7. Supporter the Dream Act
8. Cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders (raised taxes on the rich).
9. Reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive.
10. Enacted some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Mother Jones magazine called him the best candidate on environmental issues.
Article here:
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/12/martin-omalley-longshot-presidential-candidate-and-real-climate-hawk

AND many specific plans, that he's set out:

15 Goals to Rebuild the American Dream
https://martinomalley.com/category/15-goals/

Addiction treatment and prevention
https://martinomalley.com/policy/addiction-treatment-and-prevention/

Criminal Justice Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/criminal-justice/

Making College Debt Free for all Americans
https://martinomalley.com/policy/make-college-debt-free/

Holding Wall Street Accountable
https://14d2r744okfe40r1ug1oqm6y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Wall-Street-Reform.pdf

Expanding Social Security
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/expanding-social-security/

Homeland Security
https://martinomalley.com/vision/homeland-security/

Immigration
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/immigration/

National Service
https://martinomalley.com/national-service/

Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/

Foreign Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/truman-national-security/

Gun Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/preventing-and-reducing-gun-violence/

Trade Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/trade-policy/

Campaign Finance Reform (Restoring our American Democracy)
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/restoring-our-american-democracy/

Why We Need a Constitutional Amendment to Secure the Right to Vote:
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/news/right-to-vote/

Veterans and Military Families
https://martinomalley.com/policy/veterans/

[liberalnarb]

9. Wrong? Yes I realize I excluded Martin.

My mistake, but the facts presented are not false.

[elleng]

11. "Wrong" insofar as you omitted him as a candidate,

and it's way past time for people to continue to make this mistake.

Thanks for acknowledging a mistake.

[liberalnarb]

13. My apologies.

This graphic was more aimed at the Bernie/Hillary crowds.

[elleng]

15. Thanks

[Agschmid]

21. They don't actually care about issues...

And it's clear when they don't even include O'Malley, this is just more agenda driven bias.

Sorry your candidate gets excluded so often (even I did it once...).

[elleng]

22. Right, most don't actually care about issues.

Thanks

[Andy823]

23. Exactly!

I keep hearing posters say it's all about the issues, whenever a thread is started that is actually about "real issues" it drops like a rock. The only threads that seem to keep on the front page are the ones where everyone is arguing about the other candidates and how bad the "other" person is.

O'Malley has addressed the "real issues" but he keeps getting ignored by the media, and here on DU. I know you, and others, have started many threads about what O'Malley is going to do to fix things, and he has covered just about every major issue there is, yet the majority here never bother to even look at the threads.

Contrary to what many may think, it's not all about the war between Hillary and Bernie. Most people want the candidates to address the issues, not fight back and forth. I think many will be surprised when the primaries start and those who have been listening start supporting O'Malley.

[elleng]

31. Thanks, Andy.

[rhett o rick]

24. PROJECTION.

[Agschmid]

26. No it's not.

When an entire other candidate is not accounted for in a meme it's crap.

Also as you said to me upthread "your response lacks substance"...

Try again Rhett.

[rhett o rick]

39. You said that we don't care about issues. I have tried and tried to get a HRC supporter

to discuss issues, but nothing. I have posted many, many OP's about issues, how many have you posted? How many has any HRC supporter posted? Let's face it, you don't care what she stands for, you don't care that she is beholden to the billionaires and why? Maybe you should tell us why. Why do you support someone that betrayed her party and the country and helped Georgie Bush sell his war?

[Agschmid]

43. How many have I posted?

Why don't you spend some time doing the leg work and figuring it out before flinging the usual name calling at me.

Maybe we don't discuss issues with you because there is no point... I already know your response and you again just proved me correct.

Look in a mirror occasionally, it would do you a world of good.

[dsc]

50. every single solitary time I have discussed issues on this board

I have been stiffed, so frankly I don't bother.

[George II]

30. Very good compilation, thanks. I admire O'Malley's record.

[elleng]

32. Good.

[liberalnarb]

38. Moi Aussi.

He's got quite a good record. I like that he has the evidence to back up his statements and the lie in the history of the cities and states he has governed.

[Doctor_J]

61. true indeed. I wish omalley had gotten into the race before all of the democratic wing of the

party jumped on the Bernwagon. But I think Hillary's personality cult would be too much to overcome anyway

[Doctor_J]

25. capital punishment,war on drugs, escalating middle east involvement

I still struggle to understand why people support Mrs Clinton

[tazkcmo]

55. Because they too like war.

Nothing says leadership like maiming a few hundred thousand dirty brown people and soldiers.

[George II]

27. How many times is this phony chart, or variations of it, going to be posted here?

This is, without exaggeration, at least the tenth time this has shown up on DU. In fact, it's the third time this week!

By the way, it's rife with inaccuracies (I'll stop short of calling them lies)

Most glaringly, Sanders DID vote for prisons for profit and excessive incarceration, Clinton did NOT!

Try again.

[rhett o rick]

40. I believe it will be continually posted until you can refute it. nm

[George II]

42. I have, every time I've seen it. Got anything substantive to add? Merry Christmas Rhett!

[Fantastic Anarchist]

29. "One of these things is not like the other."

[BlueStreak]

35. I'd say Rand Paul has more in common with Bernie. but

Paul is polling about 2% and basically is not in the running.

Assuming the Dem Party will succeed in sinking Bernie, our choice will be between fascists and religious wackos. It always is anyway. And with Cruz, we could get a Twofer.

[liberalnarb]

36. Between fascists and religious wackos? Which one's which?

[rhett o rick]

41. There is definately come cross over. nm

[BlueStreak]

44. Use of religion for political power is a key element of fascism

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

But the people who do that are not the religious wackos. They are people like Cruz. Sanctimonious con men.

Santorum is definitely of the religious wacko persuasion.

The jury is out on Huckabee. My guess is he is a con when it comes to his use of religion. Right up there with Rev. Robert Tilton, Rev. Benny Hinn, Pat Rovbertson. John Hagee and all the others who prey on the stupidest people in our midst.

[peacebird]

51. Yes, Bernie is running for We, The People!

[GoneFishin]

53. K & R

[NCTraveler]

54. Truly ian naccurate propaganda piece.

Things like rt promoting false graphics like this are why Putin is so "loved". False propaganda being pushed at DU as the truth.

[Doctor_J]

60. which of the rows in the table are false?

[seabeyond]

62. First one. Clinton has always been supporter of gay right. First lie, I stop reading!

[AZ Progressive]

63. Really...

Nice try at propaganda

[liberalnarb]

66. And then there was four years before then...

[liberalnarb]

65. Do you live in a cave or under a rock???

[seabeyond]

67. That would be marriage equality, not all of gay rights. Sanders didn't jump that hurdle until 2009,

Either. So the lie is Sanders supporting gay rights a lifetime since he wasn't for marriage equality until 2009, or both supported gay rights while neither supported marriage equality until just recently. Take your pick but the first comparison is a lie and I stop at the first lie I read.

[liberalnarb]

69. He always supported same sex couples right to marry.

He voted against DOMA. And Hillary didn't have much of an opinion on any LGBT rights until 2010. He also voted against Don't Ask Don't Tell, and was responsible for the court decisions that struck down DOMA.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-for-lgbt-equality/

[seabeyond]

71. He voted against DOMA because he said it was a State issue. He both in 2000 and 2006 balked at

marriage equality. It is in the records. We know this. And it is an issue he plays with that tells us he is not as honest, or the same ole politician as others.

[liberalnarb]

74. Gay Marriage: starts around minute 1 40

https://m.

[liberalnarb]

70. The reason you got the year 2009 is because that was the year that Sanders straight forwardly said

he was in support of gay marriage but he has been FIGHTING for it for years. He has always opposed measures to ban gay marriage. Calling somebody a liar is a strong accusation. I would watch it in the future. Do some research before you claim someone is lying!

[seabeyond]

72. He has not been fighting for marriage equality all those years. That is a false statement.

I am calling the chart a lie. The first and only comparison I read about "gay rights" is a lie. That is not calling a person a liar. The information on the charts very first comparison is a lie.

[liberalnarb]

73. You haven't presented any facts?

Why should I believe what you are saying is true?

[seabeyond]

77. Do the research. Or believe what you want. I do not care. I have done the research.

Sanders stated reasoning for DOMA vote was it was up to states. 2000 Vermont was having the discussion and Sanders stayed silent. Refused to answer. 2006 Sanders made the statement that now was not the time ot push marriage equality. 2009 Sanders came out for it.

Do the research. I gave you the time lines.

Or don't.

[beam me up scottie]

75. You called me a liar when I posted about Hillary's support of a ban on late term abortions.

Don't tell me you're also unaware of her fierce opposition to marriage equality?