Regarding last Saturday's debate: Clinton Lies (Again)

[Karmadillo]

This article addresses four lies, four half truths/lies by omissions, two dubious assertions, and one lunatic statement Clinton made during Saturday's debate. Halle provides persuasive documentation for each of his claims. While the media is going easy on Clinton at the moment, if she wins the Democratic nomination and if an acceptable not Trump and not Carson candidate wins the Republican nomination (Bush or Rubio, for example), lies such as the ones discussed in the article will likely serve as the basis for a nonstop media assault that will usher in Republican control of both Congress and the White House. Given Clinton's already high disapproval ratings, it won't take much to peel off enough support to make such a nightmare possible. And to make things even worse, Justice Ginsburg is 82 and Justice Breyer is 77.

It's not like the Democrats don't have alternatives. Would it be possible to write a similarly truthful article outlining the lies of Sanders or O'Malley from last Saturday?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/23/clinton-lies-again/

DECEMBER 23, 2015
Clinton Lies (Again)
by JOHN HALLE

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But before itemizing these, it’s worth mentioning that Clinton lied at all on Saturday was somewhat surprising. That’s because the Clinton surrogates posing as debate moderators focussed almost exclusively on “national security” in the wake of what they referred to (fraudulently, as we now know) as a “foreign” attack in San Bernardino. This framing played to Hillary’s supposed strong suit, her hawkish foreign policy views, putting Clinton’s main opponent Sanders “on the defensive” as the NYTimes claimed.

It is revealing that even under the most favorable circumstances, Clinton still believed (possibly correctly) that she was required to assert the following string of falsehood in order to shore up her position as the frontrunner.

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Lie # 1:”(For) a single payer system for health, . . . it’s been estimated were looking at 18 to $20 trillion, about 40 percent in the federal budget.”

(According to Salon’s Eliza Webb, the $18 trillion figure originated in a now discredited Wall Street Journal piece whose main source, UMass Amherst Gerald Friedman wrote the journal to protest misrepresentation of his work. Single payer, according to Friedman would save rather than cost trillions of dollars, contrary to what Clinton asserts. Related to this: The centrist politifact has rated Sanders claims as to the U.S. system costing three times that of the single payer U.K. as “true”. )

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Half Truth/Lie By Omission #2: “Now, the whole region has been rendered unstable, in part because of the aftermath of the Arab Spring, in part because of the very effective outreach and propagandizing that ISIS and other terrorist groups do.

(No mention of the invasion of Iraq, the subsequent bombings and drone strikes, or her longstanding support of her “good friend” Mubarak in Egypt in “rendering the whole region . . . unstable”. )

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[EndElectoral]

1. Great post...wish you'd posted the Lunatic Statement

Lunatic Statement #1: “To dismantle (ISIS’s) global network of terrorism . . . we’ve got to go after everything from North Africa to South Asia and beyond.”

(In her militarized frenzies, Hillary seems to be channelling General Curtis Le May, a.k.a. General Jack D. Ripper, here. Do her supporters have any idea of her close connections to Bush administration neocons such as Robert Kagan, and the likelihood that they would be calling the foreign policy shots in a Clinton II administration?)

[cali]

2. If you don't find this nasty hawk crap frightening, you're blind.

[Karmadillo]

5. I wonder what she means by "beyond." Russia?

[CorporatistNation]

8. Kudos On A Very Authoritative and Factually Accurate Post... It Is A Shame That...

FACTS DO NOT FUCKING MATTER IN TODAY'S POLITICS! Let us hope that the "UN-Polled" come out with a VENGENCE AND VOTE AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON AND FOR BERNIE SANDERS!!!!

[bigwillq]

3. Newsflash: Politicians lie.

Most, if not all, do. This is nothing new.

[Jarqui]

4. Given her supposed experience of Hillarycare's failure in 1993

Lie # 1:”(For) a single payer system for health, . . . it’s been estimated were looking at 18 to $20 trillion, about 40 percent in the federal budget.”

That's a blatant lie and she knows it.

transcript of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s interview with the New York Times about health care.
March 27, 2008
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2008/march/hillary_clinton_on_s.php

"But I think from my perspective, having this Medicare-like alternative really does answer the desires of people. And there’s a significant minority who want quote a single-payer system. It at least gives them the feeling it’s not for profit, they’re not paying somebody a billion dollars for raising their premiums 200 percent and all the rest of the problems that we face with the for-profit system. You get the costs of overhead and administration down as much as possible."

There is video of that interview
http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/1194817098024/hillary-clinton-and-health-care.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage&region=Marginalia&pgtype=article
but not of that particular quote.

If there was that would make it in her top lies videos.

[Thinkingabout]

6. In lie #1 Sanders is not producing cost to date, has not determined how much

Taxes will be increased, why can't he produce some numbers. There seems to be a need to chastise Hillary but produce the numbers to back the story.

[CorporatistNation]

9. How Much Does Medicare Cost The Typical Senior Every Month? A Couple of Hundred Bucks!

Seniors consume health care services at a much higher rate than their younger cohorts.

Medicare for All would actually SAVE MONEY as the INEFFICIENT FOR PROFIT SYSTEM DIMINISHED SUBSTANTIALLY IN ITS INFLUENCE... AS THE ADVANTAGES OF MEDICARE BECAME APPARENT to a larger proportion of the American public.

The Insurance industry could transition to insure deductibles and co-pays. A smaller marketplace, less profitable as well for BIG INSURANCE certainly, but a much more efficient American Health Care System from a macro-economic standpoint as access to millions more Americans would be the clear result..

Younger people especially people in their teens and 20's might pay $100/ per month... others 35-65 maybe $150! The lower consuming cohorts will convincingly enhance the cash flow as a counterweight to those who are more intense users of health care.

When you cut out the profit, marketing expenses, executive compensation and other waste, then you can accrue the savings to financially cover most of America.

Yes, some people in the insurance business would find careers disrupted over time, however if Medicare for All was offered as an option for ALL ages rather than a mandate, the insurance industry employees and the system would naturally evolve over time with a relative minimum of disruption.

I was getting glasses the other day... The manager of the eye wear store says "Look at who owns the largest buildings in any city... It's the INSURANCE COMPANIES AND LARGE BANKS! Insurance companies are not in the business of taking care of people... "

INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF OFFERING POLICIES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO LIMIT THEIR RISK BY TRANSFERRING RISK TO YOU AND CHARGING PREMIUMS THAT IN THE LONG RUN MAKE THEM BIG BUCKS THAT BUY THOSE BUILDINGS, LINE THE POCKETS OF EXECUTIVES AND SAVE MONEY THROUGH LIMITING YOUR ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE.

Summary: Hillary has long been "in the tank" with the Insurance Industry and will give US lip service as a means of preserving the current Health Insurance Paradigm that results in BIG $PROFITS for the Insurers and at best overall, poor to nominal access to health care for a still large segment of the American population. Remember what Candidate Obama was promising in 2007 and although something of an improvement from what existed previously, The ACA was authored by ... THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY!

THIS is WHY INTEGRITY Matters!


"Not Good Enough... We Can Do Better" Paraphrasing Candidate Bernie Sanders...

[Thinkingabout]

10. Medicare Part B costs most participants $104.90, then there is the Part D which can

Range from $15 to $120 a month. Co-pays can be around $20 for dr visit and around $35 for a specialists. The participants paying the $104.90 monthly averages $1200 in their SS monthly. Many people I am familiar with also purchases a Medigap for Bout $300 a month.

[FlatBaroque]

7. To me, it's the little, casual lies

that roll off with such matter-of-factitude...."we happened to be in Florida and I thought Trump's wedding would be entertaining". Really? You didn't go to Florida for Trump's wedding you just happened to be in the neighborhood. OK.

[Scuba]

11. No wonder her "trustworthy" rating is so low.