2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIndependent investigation of the DNC incident.
Some here are attempting to construct some sort of conspiracy theory about Kroll being hired to investigate the data breach at the DNC. This theory attempts to look at other organizations that have hired Kroll.
Here's the thing: There are only a few firms who do this type of work on a national basis. No doubt, all of them have done investigations for organizations of which many do not approve. Forensic investigations are commonly performed, in a wide variety of circumstances.
Who a forensic investigation firm has worked with in the past is pretty much irrelevant. Any of the well-known firms have worked for any number of organizations to conduct such investigations. It's very unlikely that there are any firms capable of this investigation who have not worked on investigations for organizations some people do not like.
Since the Sanders campaign has approved of this assignment, along with the Clinton campaign, I assume, it sounds like the principals believe that Kroll can do this job in an independent way.
I can't see the point of constructing a conspiracy theory about it. It's a pretty straightforward sort of investigation.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I guess, no matter what the situation, some will always find negative theories.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)companies. There aren't that many who have nationwide reputations.
I don't think any of them would pass muster with some people.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)Mandiant (now owned by FireEye) is the gold standard
Neohapsis (now owned by Cisco)
NTT Security
IBM
SecureWorks
At least the didn't hire HBGary!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)Seems like they're doing plenty of thinking and researching. That's what I call reasoning.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)The Sanders campaigns apparent theft is a conspiracy against Sanders.
Polling is a conspiracy against Sanders.
The national media is a conspiracy against Sanders.
Trump is a conspiracy against Sanders.
Yet when they truly get trolled by the likes of Goodman, they cheer.
Gothmog
(145,481 posts)If only Sanders got the same attention as Trump, then everything would be right in the world.
The fact that Sanders people like HA Goodman is really sad
Wilms
(26,795 posts)NBC reported that the Clinton campaign was "pleased" with the choice. But Sanders, having spent much of the primary season stumping against Kroll's elite clientele, has not yet disclosed any view on the firm.
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Echoing a comparison made by the New York Times and Sydney Morning Herald, Donziger called Kroll "a sort of private CIA for the powerful."
Though hardly a dispassionate voice on the matter, Donziger said he would not classify Kroll as an "objective investigations service."
The firm takes on clients who "have a very specific agenda that requires particular results to be produced regardless of the actual facts," Donziger said in an email.
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http://www.courthousenews.com/2015/12/23/curious-choice-of-auditor-for-democratic-database-flap.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251943044
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)would you recommend. You can use Google to search for forensic data investigation companies. The list of major ones is very small. Go look at who they've worked for. You won't like any of them. They've all worked for major banking corporations, other corporations, and organizations of which you wouldn't approve.
That does not mean that their investigations and audits are not independent. Who hires a company to investigate things like data breaches does not taint the company hired to do the investigation.
Claude's and Al's Data Recovery Service doesn't qualify.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Having a hard time buying that. But I agree. Kroll does have a "reputation".
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Google will find them. It needs to be one with a strong national scope, though. If you find one that you approve, after investigating its background, just post it here.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)Fun game. You get to set the rules.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Paulie (7,655 posts)
9. I can think of 5 right off the top of my head
Mandiant (now owned by FireEye) is the gold standard
Neohapsis (now owned by Cisco)
NTT Security
IBM
SecureWorks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251944070#post9
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts):puke" Clinton/Establishment/Corporatist Team ... UNDERHANDED here as well engineering a WHITEWASH at best some kind of engineered execution of Bernie at worst.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)frankly. Not in full, anyhow. Those findings will be proprietary information of the DNC, the organization hiring the investigator.
Now, the FEC could probably insist that they review the findings, but there is no requirement that they be released to the media.
In the end, this will all be settled through our 50 states' primaries and caucuses. The voters will make their choice of candidates. The rest is just detail.
Once the investigation is complete, though, I'm sure the DNC will hold a press conference about the findings. It may be that the press conference will be held after the first round of primaries. Such audits take time.
Furrfu
(32 posts)makes a huge difference on who's going to be elected.
I would like to ask you to show me one single candidate on the Democratic side that won with high unfavorable numbers.
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)What forensic data auditing company would you prefer? I keep asking that, but nobody seems to have an answer. There aren't many with the reputation and ability to handle this job, actually. So, you let me know which one you think should do it.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)Just for one fucking time why can't the DNC ACTUALLY act like there are two sides and let Sanders pick a second firm to either participate in or at least observe the audit? Doesn't that sound sensible??? And it took me all of 30 seconds to come up with a suggestion that could work for both sides but that worthless clown DWS is either too brain-dead or too clever by half to think of this herself.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)each side could hire a consultsant to work with the auditor. don't really see an issue with that unless debbie is really trying to put her bias on a neon sign.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I don't know how they feel about Kroll handling the audit. Do you?
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)But I know EXACTLY how his supporters feel about it and it is his supporters,and Clinton's, are who the DNC is supposed to work for.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)to call for this. Perhaps we'll hear from him today. Perhaps not. That's not what this thread is about, though. It's about forensic data auditing companies. I did a search for them, and you can find connections with major corporations and banks for every last one of them that has the ability to handle this job. That is my point.
If you know of one that does not have any such connections, please let me know.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)to attempt at least the appearance of fairness but they couldn't bother. How sad you think a major candidate should have to request that as if it were an extra pat of butter at a diner...
LuvLoogie
(7,020 posts)I hear he's looking for work, anyway. A high profile audit like this would get him back on track and would go a long way to atone for the DAMAGE done to his reputation by HRC, DWS, DNC, DC, STP, XYZ, PDQ...
murielm99
(30,754 posts)4th Street USA. When he got there, what did he see? The youth of America on LSD!
LBJ IRT USA LSD
LSD LBJ FBI CIA
FBI CIA LSD LBJ
LOL LOL LOL LOL
BTW
Thanks for the post. Thanks for cutting through the whining.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Tyson Foods, Inc. to Acme Fox & Fence Co, Inc.: There's a chicken coop down yonder that's in need of security protection. How about you go on down there, check it out, we gave 'em your business card and a glowing referral. Hush now......remember we ARE the epitome of integrity..... you just remember that.
We rub you back, you rub ours. Haha. Shhhhh.
<wink-wink>
Let's wait and see how this plays out. They could be slimey as hell but still maintain an appearance impartiality and honesty (like DWS, DNC, NGP VAN and HRC). Right?
Btw, I agree with you.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)There is a breach of the DNC database making privileged data accessible.
The Sanders campaign is able to access privileged data of the Clinton campaign. And does.
But somehow it is the Sanders campaign that should pick the firm to audit the event? (Obviously that's not what happened; it's what you seem to be arguing should happen.)
Imagine if the events had occurred the other way around. Hillary and her campaign would be virtually tarred and feathered by some here on DU. Some have been doing that all along and will likely continue doing so.
But hey, please go with your proposal. If Sanders wants to spend his campaign's money for a second audit, why not?
It makes as much sense as anything else about this situation - which really doesn't amount to much in the grand scheme of things anyway.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)my poll suggests a firm approved by Sanders should " either participate in or at least observe the audit" and your reading comprehension gets " the Sanders campaign that should pick the firm to audit the event? ".
The only remaining question is did you read my post or not???
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)ABSOLUTE UNADULTERATED BULLSHIT!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)of their choosing to work alongside the firm, to be paid by each campaign. hopefully that would put to rest any concerns
LuvLoogie
(7,020 posts)Once the results are in, though, and it confirms malfeasance by Sanders Campaign operatives, I'm sure Weaver will object at that point and will claim that they were never informed of the proposed auditor until after the audit started.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)weaver is holding more cards than he is indicating. no way they would continue to push this lawsuit unless they had some evidence of a prior breach. and if there was a prior breach, we don't know yet who accessed whos data.
no way is dws hands clean in this.
Paulie
(8,462 posts)if the scope is investigate only Sanders team access, then that's what the report will return.
Will the scope be the integrity of the system, the access controls for both the clients and the custodian vendor, and any access before, during or after the system update by the vendor, and change and software release workflow controls?
The client who commissions the report gets to comment and suggest changes to the wording. Findings are "clarified" before final presentation.
Bottom line, you think the scope should be broad or very very narrow?
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)In an effort to destroy him. The Clinton campaign jumped right in with her. It's a conspiracy. Its the tip of the iceburg.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)Whatever you say...I have no insight into the DNC, nor to Shultz's thinking. If you do, then please outline it.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)She started her shit before he even announced. I don't expect any Hillary supporters to admit it.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Does anyone here question the use of the word "democracy" when describing what passes for the American Political System?
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)stupidicus
(2,570 posts)they adopted the "the ends justify the means" rationale of their rightwing cousins from the day the 3rdway/DLC was born.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I don't know. It doesn't seem to be part of their mission, based on my visit to their website. Such audits are pretty technical, really. It's a specialized thing.