CNN ORC: Clinton losing to Cruz, Rubio

[EdwardBernays]

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/23/politics/cnn-orc-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/

"The poll, however, suggests Clinton faces a stiff challenge from each of three Republicans at the top of the field. She narrowly tops Donald Trump within the poll's margin of sampling error, 49% to 47%, in a hypothetical general election matchup. But she falls behind Ted Cruz by 2 points (Cruz 48% to Clinton 46%, a shift since last month when Cruz trailed Clinton 50% to 47%) and 3 points behind Marco Rubio (49% Rubio to 46% Clinton). Among independent voters, Clinton trails Rubio and Cruz by 12 points each, while running even with Trump."

[firebrand80]

1. Election is almost a year away, polls mean nothing nt

[virtualobserver]

2. except for the polls that say Hillary is beating Bernie

[onehandle]

6. That election starts in just over 5 weeks.

Polling looks pretty solid that close to the vote, especially with Hillary dozens of points ahead amongst 90% of Democrats.

[MissDeeds]

7. Yup

Funny how that works

[peacebird]

4. Funny, Hillary folk keep posting polls saying she is The One. And asking folks to swear alleigence

[2naSalit]

3. CNN has

ORCs? That explains a lot!!!

[Dem2]

5. OK

GE matchups at this point are so stupidly meaningless. I mean it's a way to see if someone is a complete fail, like Trump, but otherwise it's useless information. Every other poll shows Hillary/Bernie up/down WRT to the Republican trolls - picking a favorable one to post to prop up one's side is laughable.

[DavidDvorkin]

8. I suspect that most voters already have strong, fixed opinions about Hilary Clinton

But most of the Republicans are still vague faces and names.

Everything will change once both parties have chosen their candidates and the spotlights fall on the two of them.

[MADem]

9. That is NOT the headline! **CNN poll: Post-debate, voters move to Clinton** is what it says!!!

"A stiff challenge" is not the same as "losing" and I am sure you know this.

The question, then, is "Why say it?"

[EdwardBernays]

11. Read the poll

It's clear what it says. No need to pretend otherwise.

[MADem]

12. It's not the headline.

Despite those gaps, Democratic men are actually more likely than Democratic women to say the party has a better chance to win in 2016 with Clinton than without her (64% of men say the best chance is with Clinton, 55% of women say the same). Overall, about 6 in 10 Democratic voters say the Democratic Party has a better chance of winning the presidency with Clinton as their nominee than with someone else (59% say the party has its best chance with Clinton, 38% someone else).

Democrats are more apt to see Clinton as holding several key attributes than they are Sanders. Nearly nine in 10 see Clinton as having the right experience to be president (89%), three-quarters call her someone they would be proud to have as president (76%), and 7 in 10 as someone who shares their values (72%). Smaller majorities say the same about Sanders, with the smallest gap coming on shared values (62% experience, 63% proud, 67% values).


Among all registered voters, Clinton tops the five Democratic and Republican candidates tested in the poll on experience (62% of voters say she has the right experience to be president) and as someone you would be proud to have as president (44%, not significantly ahead of Rubio at 43%). On values, Sanders tops the field with 43% of voters saying the Democratic socialist shares their values, narrowly topping Clinton (42%) and Rubio (42%).

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/23/politics/cnn-orc-poll-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/

[EdwardBernays]

13. Yeah

I've read it

None of what you've posted contradicts what what I posted.

Clinton is now losing to two of the three Republicans they asked about.

Ignore that at your peril.

[MADem]

14. None of what you've posted makes a small point about a "stiff challenge" the focus of the article.

No one is "losing"--they're simply competing.

And you know it.

But you were interested in creating a characterization that is not born out by the information actually contained in the full article.

[EdwardBernays]

25. Lol

Yes Romney faced a stiff challenge on election day. And lost.

Imagine if sports broadcasters used your language.

The Mets aren't losing 4-1, they're facing a stiff challenge 4-1.

When you have to twist language to try and make a point, you've already lost.

[Motown_Johnny]

17. Why did CNN say that? Clearly they should have said "losing" instead.

Being behind in the poll is not facing a stiff challenge. It is losing.


The obvious answer is that this article, and CNN in general, are biased in favor of Hillary Clinton.

[MADem]

18. Check the article headline for the answer to your post. nt

[Fawke Em]

19. That was a shit headline.

LOL

[MADem]

20. The one running on a banner in the video on that page is much better. nt

[Motown_Johnny]

21. That does not address CNN's pro Hillary bias.

Did you not understand my post?

[MADem]

22. Yeah, all that pro-Hillary "Benghazi!!!!!!/EEEEEEE-mail!!!!!" bias.

[vadermike]

10. Ugh

Losing to Cruz!? I hope that's wrong at the end of the day!!

[Historic NY]

15. WE haven't even got throught the primary period..

hypothetical general election matchups mean nothing at this point.

[Motown_Johnny]

16. So you agree that the claims about Bernie not being electable are B.S.?

I haven't noticed you making this argument on those posts. Maybe I missed it.

[EdwardBernays]

24. Not true

They mean things just not who will win the general.

[Ferd Berfel]

23. Hillary looses to a Messianic psycho

Great.

My money is on Bernie

[MosheFeingold]

26. People just don't like Hillary

And for some very good reasons.

She's a corrupt 1%er, has questionable ethics, and screwed up with Libya.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Interesting, the difference is 2 points, within the margin of error.

A change in the title of the article was an interesting spin. This article also stated Sanders was losing in the older voters which usually vote in a larger percentage.

[EdwardBernays]

28. No one changed the title of anything

Goofball.

[Thinkingabout]

29. It was not the same title of the article you provided in the link.

[EdwardBernays]

30. Yeah

But I never do that.

Very few people do.

I titled by submission what I wanted to, which highlighted a part of the article.

[Thinkingabout]

31. CNN poll: Post-debate, voters move to Clinton

Is a better title. At less this was a poll showing Clinton poll numbers in the General election, that part I like.

[TekGryphon]

32. I'm not really concerned.

Once Hillary gets the nomination half the ugly identity politics against her will fade. Bernie will be stumping for her and all the gutter-sniping, fair-weather progressives who swore they'd sit this election out if they don't get their pony will have packed their bags and gone home.