Bernie Sanders isn't letting go of data breach controversy

[madfloridian]

Bernie Sanders isn't letting go of data breach controversy

Washington (CNN)Bernie Sanders may have gotten access to the Democratic National Committee's voter data system again and even apologized to Hillary Clinton onstage at the third Democratic debate, but the data breach fracas isn't ending anytime soon.

His campaign sent out a request Monday evening that Clinton join in his call for an independent audit of the DNC's centralized NGP-VAN voter data system. And campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, said he did not expect the campaign (to) drop its lawsuit against the DNC until it gets some answers.

Weaver said the lawsuit could lead to a discovery phase, and possible depositions, if it continues, all of which he hopes will unearth problems with the voter system he said the campaign first alerted the DNC about in October.

"We want to be confident we can get to the bottom of how data is handled at the DNC," Weaver told CNN Monday. "I think all the campaign(s) need to know what the status is."

....."We hope the Clinton campaign will join us in calling for a thorough, independent investigation starting from Day One in the campaign to review all possible data security failures that may have occurred at the DNC," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said in a statement.

[Uncle Joe]

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. Interesting

there must be something else that hasn't been revealed.

[pangaia]

11. There is ALWAYS something else that hasn't been revrealed.

I think I like this Weaver guy. He knows something.

[-none]

93. I'm sure he knows something unsettling about the firewalls conveniently going down also.

I read a screed by someone around here slamming Weaver big time for him being incompetent or some such. I should have made better note of it. Probably why the negative screed by a backer of you know who.

[AgingAmerican]

127. DWS nephew is VP of NGPVAN

The president of the company worked in the Clinton Whitehouse, and on previous Hillary campaigns. Its no wonder Debbie Wasserman Schultz relented so quickly, and Hillary wants to drop it.

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[libdem4life]

141. He's not her nephew. Maybe some other distant relative, but not her nephew.

[Raster]

194. He is according to Wikipedia

Early life and education
Wasserman was born to Keith Wasserman and Betsy Riley-Wasserman in Bridgeton, New Jersey. He studied political science at the New Brunswick campus of Rutgers University, but left before graduation to devote himself full-time to Barack Obama's 2008 Presidential campaign. Wasserman is the nephew of the chair of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aharon_Wasserman

[libdem4life]

196. Well that's a strong case, I'd say. I read a couple of other "good sources"

that disclaimed the direct family connection. Nephew is one thing and likely nepotism, but 2nd or 3rd tier...not nearly as much, however.

[Raster]

202. Wikipedia must be wrong...Per Aharon Wasserman on Twitter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AharonWasserman/status/678061075926007808

Aharon Wasserman
Aharon Wasserman – ?@AharonWasserman

Would be honored to be related to @DWStweets -- alas, I am not. 😔
7:55 PM - 18 Dec 2015
19 RETWEETS 14 LIKES

[libdem4life]

207. I saw that...I'm tired of these "other shoes" that keep dropping. Do we have

a liar, or another birther scandal...a "Who's Your Mama" moment? If so, and he's lying, just Wow. Or, someone should contact Wiki that their info is incorrect. It does happen.

[anigbrowl]

252. Anyone can edit Wikipedia

It's a fantastic resource, but if there isn't a citation to some external source for a claim then you probably shouldn't rely on it. Articles about public figures and current events are less reliable since lots of people have an incentive to promulgate inaccurate information.

[libdem4life]

256. I would think the person himself would

be most interested in clearing it up. He has to know about it. More. question marksr and confusion.

[anigbrowl]

257. That's what you would do, not necessarily true for others

He answered a direct question about it on Twitter, but who knows how often he checks his Wikipedia entry? Especially when the Wikipedia community collectively frowns on people editing articles about themselves because it's so abused by PR types. Maybe you should look through the article history to see who added that factually incorrect detail.

[libdem4life]

260. I know how Wiki works. But he is now a public figure and gets that question all the time. It's not

like Jones or Smith. I mean it's simple. DU isn't the first place that has noticed, I dare say. Yes, I saw his tweet, so it's just plain dumb. And that doesn't say much for whatever position he has with this IT firm. Ever heard of a background check? And DWS...sorry, don't buy it. More question marks...as I said.

[anigbrowl]

261. I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.

The Wikipedia article has since been updated with a reference to the guy's tweet. I don't know who you want to perform a background check on or for what, since nobody suggests this Aharon Wasserman person is involved in anything untoward, and I have never posted anything about DWS that I can remember so I don't know what it is that you are declining to buy.

[weknowvino2]

183. What an incestuous bunch they are.

[JDPriestly]

195. Watch Hillary's eyes when she responds to Bernie's apology during he debate.

That looked rehearsed and planned on her part.

NPG Van admits it had a flaw in its database that permitted this second breach.

This was the second of two breaches known to the Sanders campaign.

Please go to the NPG Van website for the vendor's statement. It claims no information was saved and that the breach was due to a flaw in a release it made.

Bernie is right to insist on further, thorough and independent investigation of the DNC's handling of the data, hiring of the vendor, etc. How many times has data been breached?

Was it only Hillary's data that was breached? Or has Hillary also had access to the data of the other campaigns?

These questions need to be answered.

I do not trust either Hillary or Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and this matter causes me to trust them even less.

[Nitram]

199. "watch her eyes?"Please. nt

[CorporatistNation]

97. AGREED... From Day ONE...

Weaver and Bernie et al have been underestimated severely by the Clinton Gang. These gentlemen are NOT playing. Finally we have someone who has the gumption to stand fast against the Establishment. I am certain that Bernie and Weaver know precisely WHERE their operation stands and are confident that their group can stand fast to any level of scrutiny far better than the "opposition." My only concern is with regard to foot dragging delays by the Clinton "Gang." They will try and run out the clock. However, more folks who pay less attention to politics are now paying attention which should serve as a backstop against too much more shenanigans by the Clinton Team which of course consists of The DNC and Wasserman Schultz as well.

[FreakinDJ]

15. Lots of speculation HRC staff was accessing the data breach too

[Scootaloo]

27. It's not unresonable

The security problem opened all sides, and we have no reason to not assume that clinton or o'Malley's guys noticed and poked in, too. only way to find out is to look.

[PosterChild]

137. Apparently the vendor knew...

... of the breach because of activity logs. They would have similar activity log for all candidates, wouldn't they? Sanders should give up on this - it's embarrassing .

[cannabis_flower]

175. Unless they suspect..

That the Clinton campaign has gotten ahold of their data back in October when the firewall was down. I have heard that Bernie's camp notified the DNC that there was a problem then.

[rhett o rick]

201. The blantant partisianship of DWS and the DNC favoring the Corp-Candidate is what is

embarrassing to the DEmocratic Party grassroots. Our Party is supposed to be the Party of honesty but the hubris of the Democratic Elite is harming our Party. DWS should be fired before she damages the Party further.

Vote for an honest politician, vote Sen Sanders.

[PosterChild]

206. Sour grapes. eom.

[rhett o rick]

210. The Oligarchy better be worried. nm

[rurallib]

28. that would be my first question.

[DhhD]

43. I am still receiving emails for the Clinton campaign that started on the day the firewall went

down last week. I want to know how my private email address was given to Clinton Campaign Supporters. I am writing down their names as they come in.

I am hoping that Hillary Clinton is NOT using me in a poll number supporting her. I do not support Hillary Clinton. This makes me angry.

[FreakinDJ]

57. By far your not alone

[redstateblues]

80. Bernies campaign is fueled by anger

So many straw men so little time

[madfloridian]

120. Anger toward those who have shut the left, liberals, out.

It's gone on for years. We've lost election after election...and the same ones want more of the same. It's a sort of righteous anger.

[chervilant]

135. Anger?

What a simplistic characterization. I'm seeing enthusiasm, hope and relief among my fellow Sanders supporters. I also see a great deal of respect and admiration for Senator Sanders.

If there is anger in a Sanders supporter, I would assert it's a righteous anger, and one which will likely result in positive action--e.g., campaigning for Bernie, contributing to Bernie, and -- ultimately -- voting for Bernie.

Go BERNIE!!!

[SunSeeker]

150. +1

[CorporatistNation]

270. No, Sorry... Bernie's Campaign is Fueled By Knowledge, Trust, Understanding and Courage

of people who are fully aware of just how corrupt pour political system is. Everyone is BOUGHT ... EXCEPT Bernie. Hillary is Incompetent, Irresponsible and Narcissistic.

[KansDem]

156. You know, I got a call from the Clinton campaign last week...

The caller was making a pitch for HRC when I said "I'm voting for the other guy." Not wanting to prolong an unwanted call, as I was hanging up the voice said "You mean Sanders?"

Maybe I should have stayed on the phone long enough and asked, "How did you get my name?"

That's the only HRC campaign call I've received thus far. Coincidence?

[liberalnarb]

69. I think that maybe the reason Hillary

Wanted to "put it all behind us" so quickly.

[dflprincess]

77. Exactly.

[CorporatistNation]

271. PRECISELY

[Karma13612]

110. + 1000

[Nitram]

190. A lot of speculation by Bernistas.

From elsewhere, not so much...

[JDPriestly]

197. Most of the uninformed speculation is by Hillary supporters.

Go to the NPG Van website. It verifies the Sanders' campaign's statements on this.

Here is Weaver's statement.

Also read Snopes.

As one who has worked with databases in various contexts including identifying donors for non-profit fundraising way back when, the Sanders' employees' statements that they were trying to define the scope of the vendor, NPG Van's breach, rings very true. I looked briefly at a list of the searches the Sanders employees did, and they were aimed to differentiate Hillary information and identify it specifically.

If the Sanders employees had wanted to steal information, they would have done a general search of all the data followed by a search for Sanders information. The information in the general search that was not included in the Sanders information would have been Hillary information.

They did not do that. The searches were intended to identify and segregate the Hillary data in my opinion.

Hillary supporters are, in my opinion, slandering and libeling the Bernie campaign without trying to find the truth, the facts.

Check the vendor's statement on the NPG Van website.

Read the Snopes article on the different points of view.

This is dividing the party and alienating voters. A thorough and objective, independent investigation is needed to heal the Party.

[Nitram]

200. Wrong. It is Sanders supporters who are indulging in groundless speculation...

...that Clinton's campaign also looked at Bernie's data. Just look through the rest of this thread.

[JDPriestly]

213. We don't know whether Clinton looked at Bernie's data.

That is why Bernie is asking for an independent investigation.

I think that is necessary because without it the Democratic Party will be divided and the division will grow over time.

The division in the Democratic Party began to form when Rahm Emmanuel made extremely disparaging, dismissive remarks about the progressives, the liberals in the party early on in the Obama administration.

This division could, and it would be a terrible shame if it did, lead to a split in the Party and weakening of the liberal voice in our country. That would be a very dangerous development.

It is important that Hillary and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz cooperate with Bernie on having an independent investigation of the DNC's organization of the primary.

The current attitude on the part of hte DNC and Wasserman-Schultz could lead to an irreparable breach in the Democratic Party and the loss of confidence and voters.

This is a very serious matter that requires someone who is wiser and less biased than Wasserman-Schultz to resolve and heal it.

Wasserman-Schultz should be asked to resign and should willingly go. She risks embarrassing herself and the party to the extent that she might herself be unelectable.

I hope that wisdom will prevail.

[Nitram]

218. that's right. You don't know.

But that hasn't stopped multiple Bernanas from posting "speculation" about it. And then calling us "uninformed.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/18/the-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-fight-explained/

[Marty McGraw]

226. and that is why

an independent investigation is needed. It is Now the second time JDP has written about this and you are just scrambling about with your hands over your ears (eyes). Would you take issue over a 'true' discovery process and an end to whatever side speculates?

[Nitram]

227. I agree, a full investigation is warranted. nt

[Marty McGraw]

229. Thank you

underneath the flotsam at the top is an ocean of really wonderful people below. It's what truly makes our party the overall better choice

[JDPriestly]

209. Most of the uninformed speculation is by Hillary's supporters.

NGP Van, the vendor, the only party with access to the entire website and the information on what was saved and what was not, what was searched and what was not admits their was a bug in their release of information, that it was fairly brief and states that nothing was saved or downloaded, etc.

Now that vendor was hired by Wasserman-Schultz, and includes Hillary employees and at least, apparently, one relative of Wasserman-Schultz. So that vendor is not biased toward Bernie.

A lot of people are talking from their imaginations and not about the facts.

Watch the discussions on YouTube and the video by Weaver the manager of Bernie's campaign.

NPG Van has stated that it was not the vendor involved in the breach of Sanders' data that allegedly took place a few months ago, October I believe.

It's the Hillary supporters who are uninformed and being hysterically inaccurate in their representations about this incident.

[Nitram]

198. Operative word: "speculation."

We have solid evidence of sanders staffers access from the computer logs.

[Cheviteau]

112. Go Review the first few minutes of the debate.

Bernie made some not so vague remarks about previous misdeeds vis-à-vis the tech company. Yes, Weaver knows something and Clinton knows he knows something. I guessing DWS is pissing her pants about now about the possibility of a discovery stage of a law suit.

[Betty Karlson]

148. Two months of illegally accessing Sanders data by camp Clinton, with the blessing of DWS?

[Nitram]

179. Betty, this is the kind of speculation I see on right wing media all the time.

Wouldn't it be better to wait for the evidence before making unfounded claims - or innuendo?

[Betty Karlson]

181. Ordinarily speaking: yes.

But since DWS and the coronation committee are on the innuendo war path against senator Sanders, I feel like fighting fire with fire.

[Nitram]

182. By innuendo do you mean reports that the logs show that Sander's staffers...

...performed queries of Clinton's voter data for the 10 earliest primaries?

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/documents-show-sanders-staffers-breached-clinton-voter-data

[Betty Karlson]

184. DWs should have bided by the contractual 10 day grace period, not run to the media.

And by the way: if a crime had occurred, shouldn't her first move have been to go the police, rather than a news agency?

[cui bono]

193. +1 - Gotta love how "Bernistas" are supposed to sit back and wait and see but

the Hillary supporters have no issue with DWS running to the press and breaking a contract without waiting and seeing.



.

[Mnpaul]

263. Sander's camp knows something

but they don't want to be the ones revealing it. They want the independent investigators to find it. Bernie challenged Hillary to join the investigation during the debate. He is getting her on the record.

[BlueCheese]

3. My opinion is that this is a mistake.

His campaign got his data access back. What can be gained by dragging both his campaign and the DNC into discovery and depositions? What are they even suing for at this point?

Who does he think his main opponent is in this race? The DNC or the Republican Party?

[madfloridian]

6. A lot...

can be gained. Actually it does seem one of his opponents is the DNC.

[BlueCheese]

9. What are they suing for, though?

Don't you normally have to make claims of some sort in a lawsuit? Are they asking for money? Documents? What are they hoping to find?

Personally, I think they should quite while they have access and the issue has been put to bed.

[madfloridian]

19. Here's the text of the lawsuit.

https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Bernie2016vDNCComplaint.pdf

Actually the worst part of this is that DWS did the same thing she did to Howard Dean in 2008 when he was chair. She and the Clinton campaign were interfering with DNC set rules, and they went STRAIGHT to the media instead of Dean.

DWS has got a bad habit of manipulating the media. What they did about the primaries in 2008 was a horrible thing. They accused Dean of just about everything, even going so far to say he was harming minority vote in Florida because he was sticking with rules. A real big stretch there.

Watch DWS in action here and then realize hell she's running to the media again.

[notadmblnd]

37. Love how they referred to her as a Hillary supporter

If I'm not mistake she was co-chair of HRCs campaign.

[FloriTexan]

61. This deserves it's own thread

[notadmblnd]

79. Here's a link that confirms she was co-chair of HRC's 2008 campaign

Many expect a nascent Clinton campaign will engineer her ouster. Hurt feelings go back to spring 2008, when while serving as a co-chair of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign, Wasserman Schultz secretly reached out to the Obama campaign to pledge her support once the primary was over, sources say.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/democrats-debbie-wasserman-schultz-111077#ixzz3v0xBXoHD

But the story I found that info in is pretty good to. It's an oldie but a goodie

Dems turn on Wasserman Schultz

By Edward-Isaac Dovere

09/17/14 05:46 PM EDT

Updated 09/21/14 11:26 PM EDT

Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz is in a behind-the-scenes struggle with the White House, congressional Democrats and Washington insiders who have lost confidence in her as both a unifying leader and reliable party spokesperson at a time when they need her most.

Long-simmering doubts about her have reached a peak after two recent public flubs: criticizing the White House’s handling of the border crisis and comparing the tea party to wife beaters.

The perception of critics is that Wasserman Schultz spends more energy tending to her own political ambitions than helping Democrats win. This includes using meetings with DNC donors to solicit contributions for her own PAC and campaign committee, traveling to uncompetitive districts to court House colleagues for her potential leadership bid and having DNC-paid staff focus on her personal political agenda.

She’s become a liability to the DNC, and even to her own prospects, critics say.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/democrats-debbie-wasserman-schultz-111077#ixzz3v0yI3ZqJ

[SunSeeker]

151. All that is left of the lawsuit is his claim for "damages" from the 1 - day denial of access.

His injunctive relief cause of action is moot because he got his access back. And what are his damages? He MADE $1 million, as his campaign so proudly announced, fundraising off of his staff's data breach.

[Progressive dog]

174. Howard Dean is supporting Hillary eom

[ejbr]

12. +1 n.t

[Maedhros]

17. There is a very high probability that the DNC has been a bad actor during this primary.

If, in the future, we want to ensure that the DNC operates above-board, we need to hold the bad actors accountable.

Sweeping this under the rug ensures it will happen again.

[CorporatistNation]

272. FULL AND INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF ALL PARTIES FROM DAY ONE!!!

[Cassiopeia]

31. For the DNC to enforce the contract and secure the data.

This happened at least once in 08 and twice this year.

[Leftyforever]

67. Are you a Bernie or hrc supporter BlueCheese... you've kept your journal empty so I can't see which

angle you are coming from

[mhatrw]

86. Good question

[Samantha]

116. Irreparable harm

Other than that, leaving the case pending until some other issues are explored might just keep some in the cast of characters towing the line.

After all, when political dirty tricks that we usually see from the Republicans appear in the Democratic arena, it is a warning shot to stay alert and be prepared for more. Keep your eye on the prize.

Sam

[BlueCheese]

117. But they have access back.

They already have the relief they wanted.

[Samantha]

119. That was the really big important thing, but there are other things

also important still left unresolved.

Sam

[BlueCheese]

121. Okay, but what is the irreparable harm you're referring to?

Sorry if I'm being dense.

[Samantha]

144. This is my thinking on the matter

I remember reading in the filing damage to his reputation was a huge issue. That is very important to Bernie Sanders, even if one doesn't like his position on issues, he has a longstanding reputation for being very honest. If a scandal erupted that damaged his reputation, and especially if were something as nebulous as this is at this point, and people who had previously been behind him walked away because they assumed the facts as being reported were correct (but there is an entirely different competing take on this) at this point no one should be suffering damage until the court case is concluded and the facts are established.

As you may or may not know just before this erupted, Hillary Clinton had only a 9 point lead in Iowa over Sanders; Sanders had a 10 point lead in New Hampshire. Shortly before this happened, CNN put out a story headlined New Hampshire remains a strong hold for Sanders. If you remember the discussions over these two states' importance and who won and who lost, many speculated that Bernie needed to win at least one to continue on the contest, but two would make it even more probable that other voters would start paying a lot more attention to him. He would become suddenly much more competitive.

You also recall that at the inception of this campaigns, Sanders openly said he did not have the funds to jump into a national contest, putting resources and adverting in place in all of the states. His plan was to put the funds he had and human resources focused on winning in Iowa and NH. Should his results be good, he would be better positioned to be a lot more competitive for Super Tuesday. And he had already started to prepare for that because he had raised more funds than he anticipated. He did have the ability to start competing nationally.

So the week he won a huge labor endorsement, and his numbers were looking good in both Iowa and NH, and at last some MSM commentators were inviting him to be on air and discuss his position on issues (he had, as you know largely been ignored by the MSM until he started to gain some traction -- just when things were starting to click and just right before the third debate was scheduled to take place) BOOM this bomb was dropped, and his integrity was assaulted.

Now some people might say the timing of this bomb dropping was just coincidental. It is my opinion and I am sure there are a lot of others who would agree, in politics there is just no such thing as a coincidence. The timing of this announcement with details immediately being communicated to the press as opposed to quietly settling the matter behind the bright lights was determined to take place at the precise moment which the allegations of criminal acts could do the most damage. Bernie's Big Mo was picking up speed, and it needed to be stopped dead in its tracts.

He was also getting better marks from the public as the candidate who was the most honest and/or could be trusted. That was not helpful to his competition. But the eruption of this controversy enabled the public questioning of his integrity by those who sought to derail him.

In my opinion, ergo, there are no links this was just a typical dirty Republican trick executed by a Democrat. And that is what is so, so disturbing to me as a progressive. Did it do any damage? I believe and I hope not.
But if it has, someone will have to pay for that.... That would be another irreparable harm.

We have observed many elections, and I believe most people know by now that in the political arena when one is fiercely attacked, he or she must up and fight back, if they want to win. And they better prepare for the next assault, because the tenor of the race has now been revealed.

Sam

[SunSeeker]

152. Bernie is not suing for defamation.

Besides, truth is a defense. He essentially admitted his staff did wrong and apologized for it on national TV in front of 8 million viewers. He fired his National Data Director and suspended 2 more staffers. He admitted they accessed data they should not have. That is all DWS said. And he has admitted it.

His lawsuit only has 3 causes of action: a cause of action for injunctive relief to get his access back (now moot since he got it back) and two causes of action for damages for the 1-day denial of access.

[Samantha]

222. Damage to reputation was defiitely mentioned in the court filing

SHAPIRO: Sanders' campaign manager Jeff Weaver says the DNC is holding the campaign hostage. And in this lawsuit that the Sanders campaign has filed, they say this will cost their campaign $600,000 a day in lost donations, not to mention damage to Sanders' reputation. Is the data really all that important?

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460330367/bernie-sanders-campaign-sues-dnc-after-breach-of-voter-database

But beyond the legal there is the political. One of the assets Sanders has going for him is his reputation for honesty and trustworthiness. That is one thing that often showed up in the polling, and his scores were higher than those of Hillary Clinton. An accusation such as this, claiming his campaign stole data from the Clinton campaign did have the potential to adversely impact Sanders' support if the matter were not immediately legally contested. The challenge in court had to be made to offset the possibility that many in the voting public would hear this, believe the accusations of theft of data, and simply turn away.

There is more to this than finds itself in the frequent DU discussions, and I believe that will be made clear as time goes on.

Happy Holidays to you.

Sam

[SunSeeker]

231. No it's not. I read the Complaint.

If Bernie wants to protect his reputation, he should fire Weaver and stop talking like he is the victim when it was his campaign who stole Clinton's data. Regardless, the court challenge does not address that. It simply seeks damages for the 1 day the campaign was blocked from accessing the VAN. The complaint ADMITS "several" Sanders campaign staff inappropriately accessed Clinton data; it just claims blocking the campaign is a breach of contract and wants damages for it.

Happy Holidays to you too.

SunSeeker

[Samantha]

237. Reread this line:

45)In view of the foregoing, Plaintiff continues to incur substantial financial, reputational and political injury.

(emphasis added)

from paragraph 45 (First Claim - Breach of Contract - Specific Performance) at https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Bernie2016vDNCComplaint.pdf

I am signing off now on this issue because I am so tired and want to get on with the Holiday celebrations. I am sure you too have a large investment a lot of time and energy in this issue in which we are both so entrenched. However, let's take a moment to toast our oncoming Holiday joys.

Sam

[SunSeeker]

244. It is still a breach of contract claim, not defamation.

And the named plaintiff is the Sanders Campaign, not Sanders himself. Not only is there no defamation claim, he is not even a party to the lawsuit.

Party on Sam.

[SunSeeker]

254. My brain is not "fuzzed over." Bernie is not even party to the lawsuit.

I am not "continually guzzling libations." So much for showing holiday spirit. How quickly you resort to personal attacks when you lose an argument.

[catnhatnh]

147. What can be gained?

If it can be proved that the DNC and Clinton campaign have been engaging in dirty tricks a huge crowd of Clinton supporters will probably switch their allegiance to Bernie!

[A Simple Game]

166. Do you think there are any Republicans running in the Democratic Primary?

Did the Republican party illegally deny him access to his database?

You have no curiosity as to if our choices in this election are being manipulated?

Educate yourself, a vote is a terrible thing to waste.

[highprincipleswork]

4. This is the right thing to do.

[Juicy_Bellows]

23. And a tasty way to do it!

[Karma13612]

114. Absence of malice

Such a good movie.
Good choice for this thread!!!

[Juicy_Bellows]

145. Good eyes on DU!

[Karma13612]

258. It was such a good movie full

of the very definition of right and wrong and good journalism and getting to the truth.

Something that is in criminally short supply today.

[Juicy_Bellows]

268. Yep, one of my favorites.

Everyone should watch it at least once.

[Babel_17]

143. Your caption: "I'm gonna have somebody's ass in muh briefcase" :)

James A. Wells, Assistant U.S. Attorney General: Now we'll talk all day if you want to. But, come sundown, there's gonna be two things true that ain't true now. One is that the United States Department of Justice is goin' to know what in the good Christ - e'scuse me, Angie - is goin' on around here. And the other's I'm gonna have somebody's ass in muh briefcase.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081974/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu

[Juicy_Bellows]

146. Highprincipleswork set me up for a Brimley double entendre.

Cheers!

[highprincipleswork]

273. Slam dunk!

[AtomicKitten]

5. Nor should he.

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[JackInGreen]

7. Oh that's lovely

I have to wonder if she'll go for it. Kinda foolish not to. B: "Come help me clean this up" H: "no no we're good nothing to see here"

[slipslidingaway]

8. " ...starting from Day One in the campaign ..." knr nt

[msongs]

10. it garners lots of FREE publicity. too bad o'malley wasn't hacked lol nt

[Maedhros]

18. Yes! The integrity of the Party and the primary process BE DAMNED!

Publicity is all that matters!

[tblue37]

103. DWS has seriously undermined the integrity of the party and the primary process already.

The Sanders lawsuit is an attempt to restore the rank and file Dem voters' faith that their interests are being considered and not just the interests of those in charge.

[Maedhros]

136. After the HNC's shenanigans, who can believe that this Primary is being conducted

fairly?

We need an independent investigation.

[madfloridian]

20. Whoa, watch this and then get back to me about free publicity.

[yeoman6987]

74. What the heck?

Complete mess. Florida I don't think could do a caucus even if they wanted to this late game. Keep the primary the date scheduled. How hard is this?

[madfloridian]

106. It shows DWS broke party rules while co-chair of Hillary's 08 campaign.

She attacked Dean a lot when he was sticking by the party rules.

She ran to the media before she went to him. It's a habit.

[liberal_at_heart]

13. Damn right. Bernie isn't running and hiding because he knows he is in the right on this and on

so many other things. Will Clinton and the DNC have the same courage or will they run and hide? Let's just see who has something to hide shall we?

[mythology]

84. In a best case scenario for Sanders

Four staffers have been caught cheating. How is the Sanders side right just based on that alone? That's not counting that they lied about what happened and who was involved initially. Their best case scenario is that Clinton or O'Malley staffers did the same. There is no scenario in which they are not guilty.

[Marty McGraw]

232. running and hiding

sure didn't help Gore or Kerry when it came time to stand up and contest the inaccuracies in the vote counts of '00 and '04. I am so happy to see a piece of the party showing a will to stand so fixedly on their principles and start to shed light on some of the corruptible practices that are prevalent in politics. If anything it exposes the Rove'ian underhandedness of baiting shit out of thin air and focusing everybody's attention toward it.

So happy that finally somebody with enough moral conviction can stick it out and shed light on a dirty tactic. Could you have imagined if back in the day somebody with enough conviction (and it would take support) would've stood up to Lee Atwater's attacks.

[TheProgressive]

14. After Clinton's DNC maliciously tarnish his good name...You Bet.

This was all a setup, a hit job, and an entrapment.

Senator has every right to get to the bottom of it.

[philly_bob]

26. Important to refute claim that "Bernie stole data from Hillary"

A claim often made here in DU.

It should be relatively easy to do.

[oasis]

16. Careful Bernie. When you jump a gigantic shark, the landing is none too pretty.

[madfloridian]

21. There's nothing pretty in any of this.

Might as well fight.

[MeNMyVolt]

24. Yeah, fight after his campaign stole a bunch of valuable data.

Tone deaf, and destined to lose. Senate seat may be in trouble after this. I was trying to blame Weaver, but maybe the disconnect starts from the top.

[Douglas Carpenter]

30. then Hillary's campaign should be anxious to have a full and independent

auditing to assess all the facts. If the disconnect goes all the way to the top of the Sanders campaign, it's a bit odd that the Sanders campaign are so aggressively pushing for a complete and full investigation that the Hillary campaign doesn't seem to want.

[MeNMyVolt]

33. Because on 11/08/16, nobody will give a shit about this.

Heck, two weeks from now nobody will give a shit about this.

[ornotna]

52. I don't know about that

I'm sure President Sanders will still want the truth to come out.

[MeNMyVolt]

56. :-)

Cute.

[Douglas Carpenter]

60. I think it would be in the interest of everyone to find out what happened, who

knew what and when and if there are problems whether from any of the campaigns or the DNC or the vendor - how it can be fixed. This not just a matter of scoring political points for anyone - it's matter of making sure that any systemic problems are solved. Not everything is a PR issue.

[MeNMyVolt]

68. Pretty much agree, but I don't really care.

It is a NON-ISSUE, followed by much gnashing of teeth. Just seems silly to me.

[Android3.14]

94. Then the proper response would be

"You are correct. Let's get this over with, it should only take a short time to show how this came about, fix it, and move on."

It is interesting to see how a few people are almost aggressively uninterested in this topic.

[MeNMyVolt]

96. Agree.

[murielm99]

138. Nobody gives a shit about it now.

If you ask the average Democrat, you will get a blank look.

[Nitram]

185. Carpenter, could you point me to someplace that says the Clinton campaign "doesn't want"...

...a full investigation?

[Douglas Carpenter]

188. well, most of Secretary Clinton's supporters are certainly against it

and the tone of her campaign and of the DNC Chair is that they only want an auditing that narrowly focuses on this one event. Why are Clinton supporters so against this comprehensive auditing is what confounds me. This is there chance for a real breakthrough if they are right.

[Nitram]

189. My impression has beeen that Clinton supporters think an audit would be bad for...

...the Sanders campaign and the Democratic Party in general. I've seen no evidence so far that the Clinton campaign has anything to hide. If they do, the same logs that pointed to the Sanders campaign will point to the Clinton campaign.

[Cassiopeia]

36. That's just it

You've already decided where all the fault lies.

Maybe, just maybe, we should investigate to get to the truth. Obviously Bernie does not fear the truth coming out.

Hillary supporters? Not so much. They want this to all go away.

[BlueCheese]

76. The reason I want this to go away is because an internal party mud fight helps nobody.

But maybe the problem is that the Sanders campaign doesn't think it's an internal fight.

[maggies farm]

133. If it was an internal fight

then DWS would have not gone to the press.

[Scootaloo]

41. What data, exactly, was stolen?

[Nitram]

186. A query was run on voter information for the fiorst 10 primary states.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/documents-show-sanders-staffers-breached-clinton-voter-data

[Scootaloo]

264. "Breached" and "Stole" are different words. What. Data. Was. Stolen.

[litlbilly]

48. where is your proof of this so called valuable data? Dont post something unless you can back it up

[MeNMyVolt]

54. You have a great handle! Very cute.

Here, take a look at this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251932828

[A Simple Game]

167. But if you slay the dragon you may win the admiration of the kingdom. Got another one? n/t

[Marty McGraw]

233. Re-taking back a Party

That Lost it's way can be messy Business. Why the need to Jump a shark when one can clean house and reign in all the sharks and show them out.

[oasis]

259. Santa as Bernie's alter ego eh?

It figures.

[jalan48]

22. Good for Bernie. He's calling DWS out on this one.

[Robbins]

25. datagate totally backfired

it hasn't hurt him at all.

he is one calling for full independent investigation.if he had something to hide why is he doing this?

DWS has proven our point on DNC bias.

[Cassiopeia]

29. Oops!

Bet there are some very nervous people in the DNC and NGP-VAN.

[whereisjustice]

32. Everywhere Clinton goes, chaos follows her... what the fuck is she doing running for Pres?

[hill2016]

39. sorry

wasn't Sanders the one that stole data?

[Matariki]

50. No

Your wording is wrong. And manipulative.

[litlbilly]

53. nobody stole anything, especially Bernie. It was a staffer and nothing was copied, downloaded,

anything useful. Now, why won't the DNC / Hillary team have a full independent audit and find out exactly what happened?
I think they didn't expect a lawsuit to be filed and they will be backing away from this. They don't seem to want a full audit. I wonder why?

[JDPriestly]

83. Snopes explains the controversy here:

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/

Nothing of value was taken.

[libdem4life]

205. ...inconvenient facts. Much ado about nothing. The site said it, Snopes

says it. Yet the longer it stays "live" the better Bernie looks and the more suspicious HRC becomes. I'm sure her supporters wouldn't agree. I'm rooting for Bernie, but HRC is my second choice, regardless.

[NuclearDem]

34. Publicly apologized at the debate, privately not-so-sorry.

Wasn't he supposed some sort of beacon of integrity and honesty?

[madfloridian]

38. "beacons of integrity and honesty" often demand truth.

And sometimes it's not easy or pretty.

My feeling is that it is more important to find out all we can, as much truth as we can....no matter who looks bad.

[NuclearDem]

47. Perhaps instead of attempting to sabotage the DNC and the Democratic Party

maybe Sanders can start actually forming a ground game with those millions of donations he's been getting.

But that would involve stopping playing the perpetual victim and actually doing some work. It's much better to just spend that money generating excuses for the drop out.

[madfloridian]

55. Wait! you interpret that he's trying to sabotage the Democratic party?

We so disagree.

They hit him with a hammer without the appropriate ten day warning...or any warning.

[NuclearDem]

66. ...which would never have happened had his staffers not improperly accessed confidential information

This whole incident is entirely his staff's own doing, but because Weaver and the other tinfoil hatters can't fathom anything ever simply being their fault, they're attempting to spin this into some grand conspiracy against him.

They violated confidential information, they got caught, they got punished. Next time, they can keep their fucking hands to themselves and take some personal responsibility.

[blackspade]

98. That is a whole lot of nonsense for such a short post.

[stevenleser]

165. Every single word of every sentence is based on the facts at hand. Nt

[A Simple Game]

168. So they should have known the firewall was down before they knew the firewall was down?

I suspect you don't know much about databases. I can envision someone using a database the size of this one and not even knowing something is wrong until they start reading their printouts, which they didn't even get in this case. I can also see someone saying "hey this is new, wonder what else is new." There doesn't have to be anything nefarious about any of their actions especially now that it is well known that no one in Bernie's campaign downloaded or printed anything they weren't supposed to have. As for the interns, how did they know they weren't supposed to have any of he material they happened to view?

[Nitram]

187. Oh they knew where they were running queries all right.

And that's why it was reported.

[Douglas Carpenter]

72. You have a much more jundiced view of the DNC and the Democratic Party

if you assume that a fully independent and complete investigation will sabotage the DNC and the Democratic Party. Maybe I am being naïve in thinking a fully independent investigation would not sabotage the DNC and the Democratic Party. Maybe there are explanations that might exonerate them - we won't know if we don't look into it. Odd that Bernie's campaign wants all the facts to be thoroughly investigated and publicly announced that anyone would object to that.

[frylock]

230. Can you cite examples of Bernie Sanders "playing the perpetual victim"?

[Cassiopeia]

40. Demanding the full truth is just that.

I find it quite refreshing.

[2pooped2pop]

44. He apologized because his staffer got into her shit

Now, he wants to find out why the breaches are occurring.

That is being a beacon of integrity and honesty.

[NuclearDem]

51. The breaches seem to be occurring because certain staffers with no integrity

are accessing data they shouldn't be.

Firewalls and safeguards failing do not constitute a conspiracy. If they did, then Microsoft is the fucking Illuminati.

[JDPriestly]

91. Please read the Snopes article:

Then read the NGP Van website which states in part:

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/

Then NGP Van says the following about it.

First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the “export” from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.

. . . .
First, no NGP data was impacted by this situation, nor any Action ID or FastAction data. No client websites or web site data were impacted, either. For VAN clients, no myMembers, myWorkers, or myCampaigns data was impacted. The one area that was impacted was voter file data. We are confident at this point that no campaigns have access to or have retained any voter file data of any other clients; with one possible exception, one of the presidential campaigns. NGP VAN is providing a thorough report to the DNC on what happened and conducting a review to ensure the integrity of the system.

. . . .

On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.

. . . .

As soon as we realized that there was an issue, we immediately mobilized our engineers to investigate the source of the issue. While we investigated the issue, we restricted access to affected areas of the VAN product for all users and limited access to data exports. Engineers quickly discovered the problem, and developed a fix.

More

http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy

[Dawson Leery]

64. "Integrity"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251935054#post45

He wants to take the party over and remake it in his image.

It is time to bring an actual liberal Democrat against him in 2018.

[frylock]

235. Yeah, heaven forfend he wrest control of the party back from Third Way conservatives..

we can't have Bill Clinton's handiwork undone, can we?

[JDPriestly]

85. Here is Snopes on the controversy:

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/

[DisgustipatedinCA]

211. Screwed by your own words. Go ahead and tell me what Sanders thinks privately.

Then go ahead and tell me what "privately" means. I'll be over here, laughing and waiting.

[CentralMass]

35. A little sunlight should illuminate things.

[RoccoR5955]

42. Good.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
I only hope that if they find some impropriety in other campaigns, they do the same, or more, because only one candidate reported it.

[George II]

45. Smoke screen on their part. They already agreed to an independent audit of the system days ago....

....and, before he goes too far on this, he might want to review his own campaign's activity log during the time that his staffers had access to Clinton's data:

Time State Action

10:59:00 HI Created by Juretsky
11:02:12 AL Logs into AL from Sanders HQ Office IP
11:15:00 AL Searched: HFA Primary Prioritization 7-10
11:25:40 AZ Logs into AZ

Time State Action
10:46:00 TX Creates folder “Targets” and saved HFA Primary Priority 9-10 as search “Not Sanders 9”
10:47:00 TX Searched: HFA Primary Priority 0-1
10:48:00 TX Saved list "Not Hilary" into folder "Targets"
10:49:00 TX Searched: HFA Primary Priority 9-10
10:49:00 TX Saved list "Not Sanders" into folder "Targets"
10:52:07 NH Logs into NH
10:56:00 NH Searched: 2016:HFA Combined Persuasion 80-100
10:57:00 NH Created folder "Ranged Targets" and saved list "Persuasion 80-100"
10:57:45 HI Logs into HI
11:01:00 HI Creates user csmith_bernie
11:07:00 HI Creates user csanchez_bernie
11:09:48 NH Logs into NH
11:13:00 NH Searched: HFA Turnout 60-100
11:13:00 NH Saved list "Turout 60+" into folder "Ranged Targets"
11:15:00 NH Searched: HFA Turnout 40-60
11:17:00 NH Saved list "Turnout 40-60" into folder "Ranged Targets"
11:22:00 NH Searched: HFA Support 50-100
11:23:00 NH Saved list "Not Sanders" into folder "Ranged Targets"
11:23:35 OH Logs into OH
11:26:00 OH Grants full VF access to javiergNV
11:27:27 NH Logs into NH
11:27:38 NH Attempts to run a search. At this point cannot access page sections.
11:41:17 NH Hits counts and cross tabs 4 times

Time State Action
10:40:00 SC Searched: HFA Support 70+
10:41:00 SC Created folder "Data Team"
10:41:00 SC Saved list "Support 70+" into "Data Team" folder
10:41:00 SC Searched: HFA Support <30
10:42:00 SC Saved list “Support -30” into “Data Team” folder
10:43:00 SC Searched: HFA Turnout 70+
10:44:00 SC Saved list “Turnout 70+” into “Data Team” folder
10:45:00 SC Searched: HFA Turnout <30
10:45:00 SC Saved list "Turnout -30" into "Data Team" folder
10:46:00 SC Searched: HFA Turnout 30-70
10:46:00 SC Saved list "Turnout 30-69.99" into "Data Team" folder
10:47:00 SC Searched: HFA Support 30-70
10:47:00 SC Saved list "Support 30.01-69.99" into "Data Team" folder
10:47:56 SC Switched to Iowa voter file
10:49:00 IA Searched: HFA Support 70+
10:49:00 IA Created folder "Data Team"
10:49:00 IA Saved list "Support 70+" into "Data Team" folder
10:52:00 IA Searched: HFA Support <30
10:53:00 IA Saved list “Support -30” into “Data Team” folder
10:53:00 IA Created folders "HFA" and "HFA -30" but didn't put anything into them
10:54:00 IA Searched: HFA Support 30-70
10:55:00 IA Saved list "Support 30.01-69.99" into "Data Team" folder
Apparent session timeout
11:25:35 IA Suppressed folder "HFA" and "HFA -30"
11:27 SC Logged in, clicked into folders and saved lists and searches. Didn't generate anything.
11:31:00 NV Logged into NV, ran a search on Sanders committee SQs, exported list
11:37:41 IA Logged into IA
11:41:00 IA Granted access to users UretskyJ and anikseresht to folder "Data Team"
11:54:00 IA Granted access to users HawleyBrett and talani to folder "Data Team"
12:14:55 IA Logged in to IA but did not touch those folders or lists Time State Action
10:43 CO Logs into CO
10:43 CO Access Create A List - takes no action
10:45 AL Logs into AL
10:49 AL Searched: HFA Primary Priority>=9
10:50 AL Searched: HFA Primary Priority>=9
10:51 AL Creates Folder “Data Team” and Saves list “Prioritization9+” into it
10:51 AL Shares “Data Team Folder with users rdrapkinNH and UretskyJ
10:54 AR Logs into AR
10:55 CO Logs into CO
10:59 CO Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=9
10:59 CO Creates Folder “Data Team” and Saves list “Prioritization9+” into it
10:59 AR Logs into AR
11:02 AR Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=9
11:02 AR Creates Folder “Data Team” and Saves list “Prioritization9+” into it
11:02 FL Logs into FL
11:08 FL Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=9
11:08 FL Creates Folder “Data Team” and Saves list “Prioritization9+” into it
11:10 VA Logs into VA
11:12 VA Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=9
11:12 VA Creates Folder “Data Team” and Saves list “Prioritization9+” into it
11:12 UT Logs into UT
11:15 UT Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=8
11:16 UT Creates Folder “Data Team” and Saves list “Prioritization8+” into it
11:19 TX Logs into TX
11:19 TX Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=8
11:19 TX Creates Folder “Data Team” and Saves list “Prioritization8+” into it
11:19 TN Logs into TN
11:21 TN Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=8
11:21 TN Creates Folder “Data Team” and Saves list “Prioritization8+” into it
11:22 OK Logs into OK
11:22 OK Access Create A List - takes no action
11:24 OH Logs into OH
11:25 OH Access Create A List - takes no action
11:26 TX Logs into TX
11:26 TX Access Create A List - takes no action
11:51 VA Logs into VA
11:51 VA Runs an innocuous BU (call vendor data from outside source)
12:21 TX Logs into TX
12:22 TX Access Create A List - takes no action
12:24 TX Runs an innocuous BU (call vendor data from outside source)

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. That's the danger of allowing an "Independent" ...

to run in a partisan primary ... the Independent has no problem burning down the partisan house.

[madfloridian]

62. That's the problem, I think. If he's not considered a Democrat...

Then I must not be one either, though I have voted every election as a Democrat.

[litlbilly]

70. I think Bernie being an independent is actually going to help him. Independents will vote for him,

like me I re registered as a dem so I could vote in the primaries in Oregon.

[Paka]

111. I have several independent friends in Oregon...

who did just that as well. I gave them a push and made sure they re-registered for the primary.

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. Come on ...

No one can contest that Bernie has spent his entire political career as an Independent, not a partisan Democrat. He, therefore, and for better or worse, has no affinity to the party.

That is just a simple fact.

[Android3.14]

105. We should insure the integrity of the process

Shouldn't we have confidence that the DNC is using its resources in an ethical fashion?

There is also a question of contract law here.

Your objections don't make any sense.

[1StrongBlackMan]

107. Okay. n/t

[frylock]

238. That's a feature, not a bug.

[1StrongBlackMan]

248. What is that,supposed to mean? n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

262. My Party is the Democratic Party ...

If you don't give a shit about the Democratic Party, than why are you here on this site.

[JonLeibowitz]

65. Lol you know that's not what an independent audit means.

Very cute though.

[1StrongBlackMan]

92. What are you talking about? eom

[Douglas Carpenter]

78. again, I just don't understand why one would assume that a fully independent

and through investigation will damage the DNC and the Democratic Party. Are the DNC and the Democratic Party really that bad?

[1StrongBlackMan]

95. Because it shifts focus, attention and resources to ...

Something away from defeating the Republicans.

[Douglas Carpenter]

109. I think correcting any problems would be a good thing that can only help

in the effort to defeat Republicans. Ignoring any possible systemic problems can only lead to further problemsIf the DNC, the Democratic Party and Hillary's campaign did nothing wrong an independent auditing would show. If only the Sanders campaign did anything wrong an independent auditing would reveal that as well. Odd that the Sanders campaign wants to be held accountable for their actions while some others are giving the impression that they don't.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

212. Then maybe the DNC shouldn't have been in breach of contract.

[1StrongBlackMan]

220. The DNC wasn't in breach of contract ...

An allegation doesn't make it so.

Further, perhaps, the Bernie Campaign should have cooperated in the requested audit ... oh, that's right ... they hadn't told Bernie of their putting their hand in the cookie jar ... let alone having been caught.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

221. The contract language isn't private. The fact that the contract was breached isn't private.

I made no allegations. I stated a fact. Facts aren't negotiable.

[1StrongBlackMan]

223. B.S., while true ...

The contract language is public, the fact of the matter is the DNC was not in breach.

And, again, the whole question could have been avoided, if: the ex and suspended staffers hadn't attempted the queries; or, once caught, the campaign had cooperated.

[frylock]

239. ...or if Debbie hadn't run straight to the press.

[1StrongBlackMan]

246. Yeah okay. LOL n/t

[frylock]

247. Thanks. n/t

[joshcryer]

102. This lawsuit can only hurt Sanders' campaign.

Think about it, being deposed a day or two before a big campaign, to be asked whether he knew about the actions of his staffers? It will be dropped. This is just Weaver being silly again.

[1StrongBlackMan]

108. I would think ...

The suit would be dismissed upon motion.

But yes ... I agree, this would be poor time management.

[joshcryer]

149. True, that.

It damn sure can't help Sanders in any way, though, Weaver is half cocked. I think this is him testing the waters for dropping the lawsuit. Sanders' fans (not supporters, just people who are anti-Clinton) probably won't like it.

[ucrdem]

171. It can hurt Clinton a lot more than Sanders.

Sanders isn't going to get the nomination in any case and if this turns into Whitewater MMXVI it can help the GOP in November.

[ucrdem]

170. Exactly.

I knew the minute I heard the news last summer that they were letting Sanders participate without any clear commitment to the party that they were asking for trouble and trouble they're getting. I still can't fathom why the DNC would make such a move.

[1StrongBlackMan]

173. To appease the left wing of the Party. ..

And, as we all know ... no good deed goes unpunished.

[madfloridian]

192. Darn that "left wing" of the party....what good are they? Swat them with a fly swatter.

Right??

[1StrongBlackMan]

219. Yeah ... That's EXACTLY what I was saying ...

{Sighhh}

[frylock]

236. Sometimes the partisan house becomes so infested that there is no other viable solution.

[1StrongBlackMan]

245. "We had to burn the village, to save the village."

Sorry about the villagers.

[ViseGrip]

49. Yes, from day one! Wow, Bernie Sanders has our back!

[FloriTexan]

58. Exactly! Kick

[Purveyor]

59. +1 Thanks for posting. eom

[LiberalArkie]

63. K&R

Why does DWS always look like she has not slept in a week?

[Ed Suspicious]

73. I'm just gonna guess the DNC won't be taking a run at Bernie's campaign like that again.

[redstateblues]

75. Of course not. He needs to play the victim

That's part of what fuels his campaign.

[R B Garr]

81. He is just trying to nail his victim status down to

deflect from his own campaign's malfeasance. It's quite a performance.

[PufPuf23]

82. The Sanders campaign does not seem to be concerned about what will be

revealed in a fair investigation.

DWS/RNC made an error in judgment by blocking Sanders access to database, going to the media, and rapidly backing down when challenged by Sanders.

DWS/DNC damaged the Democratic Party by what could have been an in house problem in what appears a blatant attempt to harm the Sanders campaign.

The ploy has backfired and harmed Sanders, Clinton, and the Democratic Party.

[katmondoo]

87. I like Bernie and I like Clinton

[LuvNewcastle]

162. Vote for both of them, then.

[BlueCheese]

88. I had really hoped the issue was over with Sanders' apology at the debate.

I was willing to write the whole thing off as the shortsighted error of a few staffers, and an overreaction by his top campaign aides in going on the offensive when they were clearly in the wrong. I was willing to dissociate Sanders himself from the behavior of his campaign.

But if they proceed with this, even after an agreement with the DNC that restores their access, and after apologizing publicly for their behavior, then I will have no choice but to assume that Sanders personally condones this kind of destructive, confrontational approach with the party.

I personally do not want to destroy the party to save it.

[Android3.14]

99. How can certifying the integrity of the data possibly harm the party?

If there is a problem, then the DNC can fix it. If there isn't, then the Clinton campaign has a very powerful tool to soundly defeat Bernie Sanders.

This is a win-win situation, and only hurts Clinton if she truly is unfit to be Commander-In-Chief. If she is unfit, then we dodge a bullet. If Bernie is completely off his rocker in calling for this investigation, then we dodge that bullet.

I find your attitude that such an investigation is only a "destructive, confrontational approach" incredulous.

It is a constructive cooperative approach that will make us a better party.

[joshcryer]

104. This is Weaver, not Sanders.

[okasha]

269. It will become an issue of

What did Bernie know, and when did he know it?

I'm not at all sure that the answers to those questions will do him any good.

[blackspade]

89. Good for the Sanders Campaign.

I hope the other two join the suit as well.

[Le Taz Hot]

100. You know who has been disgustingly silent

throughout this whole thing? Martin O'Malley. I thought that if Bernie wasn't running I might support him. My opinion of him has plummeted as this is something that affects his campaign also.

[Paka]

113. I too am disappointed in O'Malley.

He's acting like a coward through all of this.

[SusanCalvin]

118. I don't know about "disgusting," as I had not thought about this before,

But it is a very interesting point which I will commence to think about now.

[LuvNewcastle]

163. O'Malley is running for 2020 or 2024.

He isn't going to rock the boat. It's disappointing, but not surprising.

[randome]

225. Why would he get involved in someone else's dispute?

It wouldn't make sense.
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[joshcryer]

101. Weaver will drop the lawsuit.

The very fact that he's throwing it out there is proof.

Wonder how quick Sanders/Weaver will go under the bus when they drop the lawsuit?

The lawyers know the lawsuit is a loser, they can't win it.

[SusanCalvin]

115. Good.

There are other things I wish hadn't been let go of. 2000...... 2004......

[postatomic]

122. Nice political rhetoric

Sounds like someone is thinking about how to appease their supporters once they are eliminated from the Primaries. It couldn't possibly be anything that Senator Sanders did... it was.... the DNC!!!.... yea, that's it..... the DNC stole the election.

[Live and Learn]

124. We already know they are trying to do so and we will be damned if we will let them.

Whether you like it or not.

[postatomic]

129. Go for it!!!

It is the Season for Glad Tidings and all that.

[frylock]

240. What did Senator Sanders do?

[Live and Learn]

123. I find it utterly amazing that the same people that thought investigating Sanders was warranted

don't want Hillary investigated.

[Douglas Carpenter]

125. including an investigation that would look just as deeply if not more so

at Sanders campaign. Why is anyone against that?

[Live and Learn]

126. I think we know why. nt

[Douglas Carpenter]

128. If they are right about Bernie being Voldermort and Hillary being a great

leader beyond reproach - surely an independent audit and investigation that closely examines all the facts will prove that. Strange though that since many of them insist that only Bernie's campaign did anything wrong - that Bernie's campaign wants this independent and thorough investigation and audit while many Hillary supporters are against it. If they are right about Hillary and the DNC and Bernie's campaign - an independent audit will prove them right.

Do they know (or at least suspect) something that we don't?

[Live and Learn]

130. I think they know Hillary is quite capable of playing dirty. They don't care.

The hypocrisy around here is unbelievable.

[BeanMusical]

132. +1 We sure do.

[underthematrix]

131. I think Bernie lacks understanding of power coalitions

The power coalition is not the DNC, Debbie WS or HRC or Sanders or O'Malley. The Sanders' campaign violated DNC rules by accessing the Clinton campaign proprietary data. One staffer was fired and two were suspended. The DNC returned access to Sander's campaign on Friday. It's time to move on. This is not good for our down ticket candidates.

Damn, the Obama/Clinton primary race was nasty but this takes the nastiness to a whole new level. Too bad.

[Live and Learn]

139. I think you know damn well that Hillary has some dirty laundry to hide in this episode

and that they tried hard and failed to set Bernie up. What is it you don't want to come out?

[AzDar]

134. I'm utterly baffled that anyone can think this is a bad idea...Unless they have something they

need to hide, of course.

[Live and Learn]

140. Yep, a few days ago it was a big deal,. Now it is , nothing to see here, move on. LOL

Bernie wasn't born yesterday and he is on to their dirty tricks.

[Babel_17]

142. Wow, things aren't breaking for DWS

This development was inconceivable. lol

[sabrina 1]

153. Good, there is something very strange about the fact that they did NOTHING when

Sanders' campaign reported the breach months ago. No way should they drop the lawsuit, the Hillary campaign isn't going to press for an investigation that's certain and DWS will do all she can to prevent one.

Good for Bernie, they should not have messed with him that way.

[Tortmaster]

154. This is bizarre behavior from Senator Sanders.

Erratic actions like suing the Democratic Party is sure to drive up his negatives, but he will win the internet!

[AgingAmerican]

157. He wants the issue resolved

Legally. He is not afraid of the findings, are you?

[Tortmaster]

158. My opinion is that all of this ...

... has been done to save face. He filed a lawsuit (and is continuing with it) to save face. He is demanding an "independent audit" to save face. He even made reckless accusations against the Clinton campaign during the debate to save face.

All of this face-saving is going to cost the Democratic Party lots of money and time. Money and time that it could spend against Republicans.

Bizarre and erratic behavior.

[AgingAmerican]

159. He is going through with it.

[Tortmaster]

160. ... to save face.

[LiberalLovinLug]

203. Uh...what is wrong with that?

Even if that is the reason. Its a political campaign. "face" is a crucial element in winning. Why should Sanders just drop it when the MSM and Debbie WS has done a hit-and-run and raised false doubts about Bernie's integrity?

And you cannot spin the fact that Bernie wants a thorough audit. If he was truly guilty, in the know, etc...his best course of "saving face" would have been to apologize, fire someone, and ignore it and hope it went away.


The fact that this door was open for both camps, and that it was the Sanders campaign that alerted them about this open door months ago, and finally had to demonstrate it for them just to get their attention, raises questions for me about just how long the Clinton campaign had been enjoying this open door, and who set it up for them. It seems it could very well be that they were so pissed at the Sanders campaign for spoiling their carefully set up eves dropping that they lashed out and turned it around on him.

I'd like to know just how this whole thing started. Suddenly its the Hillies that want to drop it. Speaks volumes.

[frylock]

242. The counter to that is that Hillary and Debbie don't want an investigation..

to, you know, save face.

[frylock]

241. maybe it will drive up his negatives among the 30% of registered democrats..

not so much with independents.

[gordyfl]

155. In the Next Debate...

Hillary will apologize to Bernie Sanders.

[stonecutter357]

161. Bernie Sanders Apologizes to Hillary Clinton for Stealing Voter Data.

[oasis]

169. Thanks for the reminder. Some on this thread seem to have a short memory.

[JackInGreen]

172. If only that's what he'd said you'd have a point

you wouldn't be trying to change the narrative would you?
If he stole it, then lets get federal cybercrimes involved and get ALL of it out in the open, what'd'ya'say?

[randome]

204. Right. Get the feds involved in a political squabble. Like that could turn out well.

The problem is resolved by Sanders firing the aide who stole the data and getting his access restored. There's nothing more to fight about in the real world. On DU, however...
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[DisgustipatedinCA]

214. If the DNC hasn't done anything wrong, I don't guess they have anything to worry about, do they?

Let's open it ALL up and have a look.

[randome]

215. Fishing expedition. Not unless someone has evidence of illegality.

So far we have evidence that some of Sanders' staffers obtained data they were not supposed to have. That's been resolved.
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[DisgustipatedinCA]

216. We have very compelling evidence that the DNC was in breach of contract.

They'll have their day in court.

[randome]

224. I disagree with the breach of contract. No one's access was 'terminated'.

There was a 'temporary suspension' until matters were sorted out. There is a big difference there and I doubt the lawsuit will go anywhere. But that's just my opinion.
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[1StrongBlackMan]

267. That's my opinion, as well.

[1StrongBlackMan]

266. And, why the suit will be dismissed.

[1StrongBlackMan]

265. Why blow up the Party to prove what was admitted? n/t

[Enthusiast]

164. Yooge kick and recommendation!

[GoneFishin]

176. Good.

[NCTraveler]

177. He can't let go of it. We know there are still more bad apples in his staff.

He simply can't be done housecleaning yet.

[Faux pas]

178. Go Bernie!

[jwirr]

180. He should not until an full independent investigation is

completed. As he knows his supporters do not like behind the door deals when accusations have been made. Find out exactly what went on and let the chips fall where they may.

[Politicub]

191. A door was left open and a Sanders campaign staffer walked through it

That's the only fact we know because it was admitted by Sanders.

It's not entrapment, as some are suggesting. The staffer yielded to temptation.

The legal case is nothing but red meat for Sanders' supporters.

[KoKo]

208. K&R!

[whereisjustice]

217. DNC and Hillary can try to wipe their servers clean but not even Brawny towels are absorbent enough

to soak up this stinky mess...

[Skidmore]

234. Whatever keeps

him in the press, I guess.

[99Forever]

243. K.R

[randys1]

251. Someone did a thread stating this member had passed on? Is that correct?

[madfloridian]

253. They said who had passed on. Who do you mean?

[randys1]

255. They said a member here died and I thought they used your name thinking it was you

but I could recall it wrong, it was today