Here is a link the should bring some discussion

[tiredtoo]

election results Hillary as candidate versus Bernie as candidate.
http://rightwingstories.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-general-election-electoral-vote-map.html

[tecelote]

1. Wow!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Dukakis got 40% of the white vote, 89% of the African American vote, and 70% of the Hispanic vote

Extreme? No. A Hillary nomination moves the General into Mondale or Dukakis territory.

Dukakis got 40% of the white vote, 89% of the African American vote, and 70% of the Hispanic vote:

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-1988/


If Hillary gets that she wins in a laugher.

[Scootaloo]

20. Dukakais lost the general. HARD.

[840high]

3. Thank you. Love the comments.

[wyldwolf]

4. An analysis based on little more than..

... All my friends LOVE Bernie so all polling and evidence to the contrary of my post are just wrong!1!1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. What did you think of my observation in Post 2?

Inferential statistics might lie bur descriptive statistics never do.

[wyldwolf]

11. It was a great observation - and very true

However, you know as well as I do facts to the contrary of narratives like the OP's link are too often discounted.

I've just quit trying to reason with historical facts and current polling data. But I am looking forward to all the conspiracy theories after Clinton wins.

[longship]

23. Well, extrapolations are rarely accurate.

When one considers such a messy thing like polling, elections, etc. there is little rhyme or reason to it. The polling organizations try to get it right, but previous polling vs. election results have zero correlation to current polling vs. election results. Each stands on its own.

That's why I don't worry too much about these things. At best one can look at them as a guideline. How did my candidate change in the polls? Instead of, how are my candidate's numbers doing in the absolute sense? Plus, one has to factor in the Internet, which I am not sure the pollsters have right even now. We'll see about that.

My advice. Keep working for your candidate. That will do the most good. Pretend that the polls don't exist. That's what I am doing, and I am going to vote for Bernie.

Keep fighting the fight. We're going to beat the GOP in November no matter who wins the nomination.

Happy happy to you!

[Jarqui]

5. I'm a Bernie supporter who has looked at the state by state contests

within the last 4 weeks or so (limited by what polls are available)

Respectfully, I think their presentation is over the top. The gap isn't nearly that large. But I am comfortable in saying when I assessed it that Bernie did better against the GOP on a state by state basis than Hillary did and the difference was Rubio (who looked to be their best) would beat Hillary somewhat comfortably but lose to Bernie in a fairly tight contest.

4 week later. That could have changed. But not to the extreme they're displaying.

And the (oversimplifying?) reason seems to be that he does better with Independents and Republicans than she does.

[bobbobbins01]

8. Agreed. They have the right idea, but this is a bit over the top.

Hillary will do a bit better than they're showing if she is the nominee, but it would be an uphill battle. Bernie would have a much easier time. No one is excited about Hillary, and if she gets the nomination, a large portion of very active voters will tune out(I know I'll lose interest), and a large portion of hateful republicans would tune in. Bernie counteracts both of those.

[zeemike]

24. I think the reasoning is in the first paragraph.

All elections are decided by turnout, but given how closely divided the American electorate is, the 2016 Presidential election is even more sensitive than the norm to turnout. 2016 will be decided by which party has the candidate that can accomplish three things: generate enthusiasm from their own base, add new members to that base, and doesn't inspire the other side's base to turn out in opposition.

And I think that is right.

[FreakinDJ]

6. It is what everyone already knows

We lose the Youth vote and the House and Senate for the next 10 years

[msongs]

10. everyone already knows? that's more than 6 billion people, everyone. yet nobody I talk to knows that

then one cannot actually say everyone knows when some don't. and the OP is quoting an anonymous source lol

[FreakinDJ]

15. Plausible Deniability

Of course DWS and Hillary aren't talking about it but already there have been several pundits and well respected columnist discussing it

[NorthCarolina]

7. That's pretty much the way I see it.

Bottom line, if Clinton wins the primary then the establishment wins period, regardless of which party prevails in the GE; and once again the people lose. It's as simple as that.

[earthside]

12. This analysis is Right On!

Let's face it, all Hillary Clinton has going for her is that she is a woman (and that is problematic since she has only been a credible candidate for the nomination because her husband has already been president).

Her position on issues is center-right, she is a pedestrian speech-maker, she is boring, she has a train load of political baggage.

Sen. Sanders is a crusader for working, poor and middle Americans -- he is taking the progressive agenda foursquare to the nation.

I'm in Colorado ... no doubt Hillary Clinton would lose here. Sanders, however, changes the dynamic and he could win.

[Dem2]

16. If Hillary is center right, and Bernie voted and 93% with her

What does that make Bernie?

[frylock]

22. The votes they differed on were rather monumental.

Who cares that they both voted to rename a post office?

[Alittleliberal]

26. Mainstream center left.

On the issues Bernie is the only adult in the room.

[santafe52]

13. Yeah right..

This might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on DU.

Karl Rove….is that you?

[DocMac]

25. I have been reading Du

for 4 1/2 years. And, while you have been a member for a long time, I am wondering what is stopping me from alerting your post. Are you not saying that a member here is in fact one of the craziest Republicans known to man?

[FailureToCommunicate]

14. Interesting perspective

[JaneyVee]

17. Bernie is polling at 8% with black voters and 17% with women voters....

And the rightwing hasn't even run a single ad against him. He will get creamed.

[zentrum]

18. Very very very disturbing.

Because the DNC/DWS is making sure we get the least electable democratic candidate in the general.

[liberalnarb]

19. Right wing stories? I'm skeptical of this source.

[George II]

21. What are the credentials of the person who created these maps and blog post?