2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDo you think Sanders had any knowledge of his staffers stealing Hillary Clinton's data?
I'm skeptical by nature, but obviously don't know. Just curious about what others think. This is not over for the primary voters, guaranteed.
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He didn't know anything from the get go. | |
24 (86%) |
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He was aware they were fishing for data, but didn't know how far it went. | |
1 (4%) |
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He knew they had obtained the data, and said nothing until the theft was exposed. | |
3 (11%) |
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Other | |
0 (0%) |
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emulatorloo
(44,176 posts)These staffers went rogue, this is not how Bernie is. His integrity is unimpeachable.
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And informed when it couldn't be kept quiet.
Once he found out, he did the right thing.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)But wanted to add that Bernie's own staff completely undermined his campaign....so unprofessional and amateurish.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)That he got sandbagged by trusted team members ... they did wrong, got caught and withheld/lied about the information, until they no longer could.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Bernie has flaws, we all do, but he is an honest person and anyone who questions that is not being honest themselves.
I am not saying he is honest to the point we can trust him with our lives, we cant.
We cant because he is a politician and by definition he MUST make compromise.
brooklynite
(94,719 posts)...and however old he was, it's a Senior position that Sanders would have signed off on.
randys1
(16,286 posts)believe him?
NOt many.
Most of us know most politicians are lying when they say they didn't know
JI7
(89,262 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)JI7
(89,262 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)He has been poorly served by his staff at every step in this debacle.
longship
(40,416 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... that has spent so much time vilifying Hillary, they'd think stealing her data would be justifiable.
It's like the RWers who think abortion is murder ... they'd cheat to win elections, rig the vote, and feel perfectly justified doing so.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Why would he keep it a secret when he would know full well that it would almost certainly be exposed and cause a real disruption for his campaign and cast doubt on his strongest selling point - "the long awaited for honest man,"?
Furthermore, even some of the most rigid and uncompromising pro-Hillary partisans don't doubt for one second Bernie's strong ethical fortitude. Even Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Paul Begala have said that Sanders was one of the most ethical people they know and don't know believe he knew about this breach.
yardwork
(61,700 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Even Weaver said he kept it from him. Though, I don't know why I should trust that idiot. But I do have some trust in Sanders on this one. Just doesn't seem to be his style.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)And I am a Hillary supporter. Bernie did the right thing by firing the staffers. I'm betting he was pissed.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I don't think anyone really knows except Bernie and his staff.
This is a non-issue for me. It was wrong for the campaign to do what they did, but staffers have often made mistakes during a campaign. The campaign needs to fire/suspend those involved and move on. If staffers committed criminal acts, then those folks should face criminal charges.
It was nice to see Bernie take responsibility during the debate. He seems like he is trying to do the right thing concerning this situation.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)He didn't know. Of the three, he's the one I fee the most certain about--that wouldn't have any knowledge.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)First off, it would be out of character for him to do something like that. And also, from what I've read, it seems that even after it was discovered his staff didn't inform him right away.
I think what's going on here is that there's a disconnect between Bernie and his staff. His staff has gotten overzealous, lost the plot a bit, and is starting to behave like HA Goodman. Hopefully Bernie can get the situation under control.
Running for major office like this, you need a staff and you have to put trust in them because you can't run everything yourself. But at the same time it leaves you vulnerable to the mistakes they make. It's not just Bernie that this happens to, Hillary's staff in 2008 made a number of unfortunate moves.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Weaver handled the optics from the start, which isn't how I would've expected Sanders to act if he knew early on. He would've raised hell, but was made to say nothing about it for two days until the debate where you could tell he wasn't even buying the narrative. They wanted him to go into the debate on the full attack using illogical and irrational arguing points but he dialed it back.
treestar
(82,383 posts)are not wiley when it comes to this stuff. Resistant to use of computers anyway.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)People over 70???
treestar
(82,383 posts)in general.
I have to help my parents with things like passwords.
Even in my 50s, I still would not be savvy enough to deal with firewalls that are open and going into data I'm not supposed to. That takes tech savvy people.
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)It *should* be over.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)the question implies theft of data which both sanders and the vendor said did not (could not)occur. but no, i don't think he knew about this latest problem with the wall (or whatever its called).