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MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:39 PM Dec 2015

Do you think Sanders had any knowledge of his staffers stealing Hillary Clinton's data?

I'm skeptical by nature, but obviously don't know. Just curious about what others think. This is not over for the primary voters, guaranteed.


28 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
He didn't know anything from the get go.
24 (86%)
He was aware they were fishing for data, but didn't know how far it went.
1 (4%)
He knew they had obtained the data, and said nothing until the theft was exposed.
3 (11%)
Other
0 (0%)
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Do you think Sanders had any knowledge of his staffers stealing Hillary Clinton's data? (Original Post) MoonRiver Dec 2015 OP
He did not know. Jeff Weaver says he kept it from Bernie because Weaver thoughthe could resolve it. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #1
I don't blame him for being involved...I blame him for for hiring and staff management. brooklynite Dec 2015 #2
I don't blame Bernie, at all. The information was kept from him .. 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #6
I generally agree with what you said. Sheepshank Dec 2015 #18
I agree. And, it's a shame ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #20
Was it just one staffer and was he like 20 yrs old or something? randys1 Dec 2015 #26
It was the Data Director... brooklynite Dec 2015 #30
How many politicians would get this high of a percentage of people saying they randys1 Dec 2015 #28
i know for sure he didn't JI7 Dec 2015 #3
Just curious, how do you know that? MoonRiver Dec 2015 #4
he is a person of good character JI7 Dec 2015 #5
I'm a Hillary guy but I do believe Sanders is a man of impeccable integrity. Codeine Dec 2015 #7
Forced choices, none of which have anything to do with reality. nt longship Dec 2015 #8
Probably not. The problem is that there is a segment within his support ... JoePhilly Dec 2015 #9
Pretty sure he knew nothing about it. Dem2 Dec 2015 #10
Since I don't live inside his brain - I cannot say for certain. But I highly doubt it Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #11
I really don't know what to think. yardwork Dec 2015 #12
I voted #1. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #13
I believe bernie gwheezie Dec 2015 #14
Not sure. bigwillq Dec 2015 #15
When did you stop beating your children? Matariki Dec 2015 #16
Nah, that's not his style. one_voice Dec 2015 #17
There's no way to know for sure, but I'm pretty sure he didn't know anything about it. DanTex Dec 2015 #19
+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #21
I think they kept it from him. joshcryer Dec 2015 #25
People over 70 generally treestar Dec 2015 #22
Ex-ssccuuuse me ??? pangaia Dec 2015 #27
The older the person, the less they like computers treestar Dec 2015 #29
ridiculous to think that a candidate for president would be micromanaging that way Orangepeel Dec 2015 #23
i originally had "no," but decided to change to "other" restorefreedom Dec 2015 #24
Pukey post. Owl Dec 2015 #31

emulatorloo

(44,176 posts)
1. He did not know. Jeff Weaver says he kept it from Bernie because Weaver thoughthe could resolve it.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 04:44 PM
Dec 2015

These staffers went rogue, this is not how Bernie is. His integrity is unimpeachable.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
6. I don't blame Bernie, at all. The information was kept from him ..
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:06 PM
Dec 2015

And informed when it couldn't be kept quiet.

Once he found out, he did the right thing.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
18. I generally agree with what you said.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:48 PM
Dec 2015

But wanted to add that Bernie's own staff completely undermined his campaign....so unprofessional and amateurish.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. I agree. And, it's a shame ...
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:00 PM
Dec 2015

That he got sandbagged by trusted team members ... they did wrong, got caught and withheld/lied about the information, until they no longer could.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
26. Was it just one staffer and was he like 20 yrs old or something?
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 08:16 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie has flaws, we all do, but he is an honest person and anyone who questions that is not being honest themselves.

I am not saying he is honest to the point we can trust him with our lives, we cant.

We cant because he is a politician and by definition he MUST make compromise.

brooklynite

(94,719 posts)
30. It was the Data Director...
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 09:13 PM
Dec 2015

...and however old he was, it's a Senior position that Sanders would have signed off on.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
28. How many politicians would get this high of a percentage of people saying they
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 08:18 PM
Dec 2015

believe him?

NOt many.

Most of us know most politicians are lying when they say they didn't know

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
7. I'm a Hillary guy but I do believe Sanders is a man of impeccable integrity.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:06 PM
Dec 2015

He has been poorly served by his staff at every step in this debacle.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
9. Probably not. The problem is that there is a segment within his support ...
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:33 PM
Dec 2015

... that has spent so much time vilifying Hillary, they'd think stealing her data would be justifiable.

It's like the RWers who think abortion is murder ... they'd cheat to win elections, rig the vote, and feel perfectly justified doing so.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
11. Since I don't live inside his brain - I cannot say for certain. But I highly doubt it
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:40 PM
Dec 2015

Why would he keep it a secret when he would know full well that it would almost certainly be exposed and cause a real disruption for his campaign and cast doubt on his strongest selling point - "the long awaited for honest man,"?

Furthermore, even some of the most rigid and uncompromising pro-Hillary partisans don't doubt for one second Bernie's strong ethical fortitude. Even Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Paul Begala have said that Sanders was one of the most ethical people they know and don't know believe he knew about this breach.

 

MeNMyVolt

(1,095 posts)
13. I voted #1.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 05:49 PM
Dec 2015

Even Weaver said he kept it from him. Though, I don't know why I should trust that idiot. But I do have some trust in Sanders on this one. Just doesn't seem to be his style.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
14. I believe bernie
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:36 PM
Dec 2015

And I am a Hillary supporter. Bernie did the right thing by firing the staffers. I'm betting he was pissed.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
15. Not sure.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:40 PM
Dec 2015

I don't think anyone really knows except Bernie and his staff.

This is a non-issue for me. It was wrong for the campaign to do what they did, but staffers have often made mistakes during a campaign. The campaign needs to fire/suspend those involved and move on. If staffers committed criminal acts, then those folks should face criminal charges.

It was nice to see Bernie take responsibility during the debate. He seems like he is trying to do the right thing concerning this situation.



one_voice

(20,043 posts)
17. Nah, that's not his style.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:46 PM
Dec 2015

He didn't know. Of the three, he's the one I fee the most certain about--that wouldn't have any knowledge.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
19. There's no way to know for sure, but I'm pretty sure he didn't know anything about it.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 06:53 PM
Dec 2015

First off, it would be out of character for him to do something like that. And also, from what I've read, it seems that even after it was discovered his staff didn't inform him right away.

I think what's going on here is that there's a disconnect between Bernie and his staff. His staff has gotten overzealous, lost the plot a bit, and is starting to behave like HA Goodman. Hopefully Bernie can get the situation under control.

Running for major office like this, you need a staff and you have to put trust in them because you can't run everything yourself. But at the same time it leaves you vulnerable to the mistakes they make. It's not just Bernie that this happens to, Hillary's staff in 2008 made a number of unfortunate moves.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
25. I think they kept it from him.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 08:11 PM
Dec 2015

Weaver handled the optics from the start, which isn't how I would've expected Sanders to act if he knew early on. He would've raised hell, but was made to say nothing about it for two days until the debate where you could tell he wasn't even buying the narrative. They wanted him to go into the debate on the full attack using illogical and irrational arguing points but he dialed it back.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. People over 70 generally
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:08 PM
Dec 2015

are not wiley when it comes to this stuff. Resistant to use of computers anyway.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
29. The older the person, the less they like computers
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 08:40 PM
Dec 2015

in general.

I have to help my parents with things like passwords.

Even in my 50s, I still would not be savvy enough to deal with firewalls that are open and going into data I'm not supposed to. That takes tech savvy people.


Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
23. ridiculous to think that a candidate for president would be micromanaging that way
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:48 PM
Dec 2015

It *should* be over.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
24. i originally had "no," but decided to change to "other"
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:51 PM
Dec 2015

the question implies theft of data which both sanders and the vendor said did not (could not)occur. but no, i don't think he knew about this latest problem with the wall (or whatever its called).

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