New PPP Polls: Hillary Performs Better than Bernie Against All GOP Contenders

[MrWendel]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/12/21/1462470/-New-PPP-Polls-Hillary-Performs-Better-than-Bernie-Against-All-GOP-Contenders

One of the things Clinton supporters (such as me) say is that Clinton is not only more competent and experienced, but electable. She’s been in the spotlight a quarter century yet despite the huge attacks, still does well. She also doesn’t call herself a “socialist.” Sanders supporters would try to attack that by claiming that her unfavorables (not job approvals) were too high and that sometimes, Sanders polled better than HRC. They also argued that once people got to know him, he’d do even better.

Here are empirical data to bear out the truth.

Link: http://www.scribd.com/doc/293784795/Public-Policy-Polling-national-poll

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Trump 43 Clinton +3
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 45, Cruz 43 Clinton +2
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton PPP (D) Rubio 44, Clinton 43 Rubio +1
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 45, Carson 45 Tie
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 44, Bush 39 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Trump 43 Trump +2
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Cruz 42 Cruz +1
General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 39, Rubio 42 Rubio +3
General Election: Carson vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Carson 41 Tie
General Election: Bush vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Bush 42 Bush +1
Clinton beats 3 out of 5 and ties one. Sanders loses to 4 out of 5 and ties one. Sanders does worse against Rubio, and both tie Ben Carson.

The point: Bernie’s barely been in the GOP crosshairs; he doesn’t exist to them CURRENTLY. If he were to be the nominee, those numbers would get worse. Hillary’s been in the spotlight for nearly a quarter century and even today, when Obama has middling approvals (not below 40% where Dems are fucked but not above 50% where pop vote win is virtually guaranteed) and GOP has more media time, she’s STILL winning!

[JonLeibowitz]

1. The narrative has completely changed since he was leading Hillary

Back then it didn't matter; now it proves his unelectability in a general election.

Seems fishy. Carry on.

[JaneyVee]

2. And she's a better debater than them all.

And you're right about the crosshairs, Hillary is leading while being attacked by every republican + Bermie and Martin, neither have had a single ad against them.

[RoccoR5955]

10. She does fillibuster better than Bernie, that is for sure. n/t

[NurseJackie]

3. Because she's one smart cookie. <3

[MeNMyVolt]

4. Rubio is the problem.

A Rubio/Kasich ticket will be formidable, just based on geography alone. I still think Clinton would wipe the floor with them.

[Leftyforever]

5. This is a little well very misleading... cherry picking PPP as your source won't give you a true

picture... most other polling firms show a different reality... i appreciate your loyalty and enthusiasm but ....

[MrWendel]

12. Now PPP is an unreliable source...

because it doesn't "Feel the Bern"? lol

[Leftyforever]

13. No.. not exactly what I said or meant.... what I mean is PPP has always been the polling that gave

hrc the biggest lead... thats all.... if you include the rest.. the average comes down significantly... was just saying you were not giving an accurate picture of the polling data...

[MrWendel]

16. Just tell us all..

which polls are reliable, speaking of "Cherry Picking" that are the most reliable and most consistent so there is no excuses from now on?

[Jarqui]

6. As I posted in this link below about that poll

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=933536
the demographics significantly tilt in Clinton's favor.

On favorability, it's about an 8 pt improvement swing on Sanders favorability data alone ... and probably close to an 8 pt swing the other way on Hillary's.fa.orability

Therefore, under demographics they're likely to see in a general election, Clinton's numbers vs the GOP candidates are likely to go down and Sanders' numbers vs the GOP candidates are likely to go up. If I had to bet on it, Sanders would probably pass Clinton a bit if we projected those numbers using fairer age demographics.

At the very least, I would not thump my puffed out chest too hard relying on this poll.

[reformist2]

7. PPP polls have been outliers all year. I tend to ignore their results.

[Liberal_in_LA]

8. Yep

[VMA131Marine]

9. It's truly scary how close these numbers are for Hillary and Bernie

The Republicans should all be getting crushed.

[RoccoR5955]

11. You do know that the media have been paying for these polls

and polls can be manipulated to get the result that one wants.
So how about this scenario to sell more media coverage.
Early on Clinton is the front runner. Her position is threatened by a dark horse candidate who is leading in early voting states.
Clinton's lead diminishes to the point where she is neck and neck, and the dark horse comes out and wins the nomination.
In the general election, this unheard of dark horse is lambasted by the opposition to the point where it shows where he could come very close, but most polls find him losing.
The dark horse eventually wins the presidency.

Don't you think that this story would sell a LOT of media?
Perhaps it is being played out like that. Clinton sure seemed to be scripted in the last debate. I KNOW that ABC wrote her closing line for her, because she was rehearsing it and arrived late from the final break.
Why not the whole thing?

[NurseJackie]

15. #OhBrother #noteverythingisaconspiracy

[doc03]

14. What is really scary is Carson does best of all, WTF n/t

[mr_liberal]

17. Not really.

Voters don't know much about him. Once he got in a general election he'd get destroyed and lose in a landslide. He's like Sanders.