New PPP H2H matchups: Clinton better than Sanders across the board (tied on Carson)

[Persondem]

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Trump 43 Clinton +3
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 45, Cruz 43 Clinton +2
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton PPP (D) Rubio 44, Clinton 43 Rubio +1
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 45, Carson 45 Tie
General Election: Bush vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 44, Bush 39 Clinton +5

General Election: Trump vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Trump 43 Trump +2
General Election: Cruz vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Cruz 42 Cruz +1
General Election: Rubio vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 39, Rubio 42 Rubio +3
General Election: Carson vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Carson 41 Tie
General Election: Bush vs. Sanders PPP (D) Sanders 41, Bush 42 Bush +1

Of note is that Clinton is 5 points better than Sanders against the GOP frontrunner, Trump.
How Carson is still doing that well is beyond me.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[yeoman6987]

1. We better think long and hard about who we want as our nominee

That's all I am going to say as the polls speak for themselves.

[upaloopa]

3. Looked long looked hard I want Hillary

[yeoman6987]

22. Yeah!!!!! Me too!

[daybranch]

6. If both beat republicans why would you choose another corporate dem?

So you are saying elect-ability for democrats is a moot point now. Thank you. We Bernie people said this long ago and now you Hillary people agree?
Have you Hillary people actually thought about your cognitive dissonance on this and your desire to support your conclusions without analyzing the issues?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. The poll the original poster linked suggests Sanders is losing to Cruz and Trump and Clinton isn't.

EOM

[Persondem]

10. Indeed. Thank you. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. You are welcome./nt

[upaloopa]

2. Well can we put to bed the meme that

Bernie is better in the general?

[daybranch]

9. Of course not. Bernie's support continues to grow.

Your point as made for a number of months now was not that Hillary was better in the general, your point was that Bernie was un-electable. Now it is clear that is incorrect and more people will move away from your fear mongering and turn to analyzing the issues before they decide who to support. Go Bernie- act from your values, not your fears.

[Persondem]

15. But Bernie's support does not continue to grow. A couple of one-off recent polls have shown him

doing better in NH and Iowa but nationally he is dropping as 6 of the last 7 polls have him in the 20's

[upaloopa]

29. Bernie will not win the primary and will not be

in the general that is my argument

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. Thank you for posting.

I am sure that all people of good will can agree that stopping Donald Trump from becoming president is a moral imperative and that he should be stopped by any legal means necessary.

[randys1]

5. What STUNS me about these numbers is how in HOLY HELL can this many Americans

be this god damn dumb and full of HATE?

What makes no sense about these is what I assumed would be the crossover.

Hillary gets no rightwing votes, Bernie does, it is that simple and yet these numbers dont reflect that unless his numbers are even that much less on the Democratic side, which also makes no sense.



Oh well, as one of the very few people here who has been BANNED by both the Bernie and HIllary group for saying I am more concerned about the party taking the WH than any one particular candidate, I still believe both of ours can win but it will take a whole lot of work.

[Persondem]

8. Exactly. That is a scary takeaway from these numbers - that ~45% or so of the country

thinks that one of those GOP idiots is going to do anything good for the country.

Banned by both groups ... heh-heh, kinda cool ... and merely for stating what should be obvious - "for saying I am more concerned about the party taking the WH than any one particular candidate" - As it should be at a place called DEMOCRATIC Underground.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. 45% of Americans would vote for a ham sandwich if it had the backing of a major party for pres.

That's the polarized nation we live in.

[randys1]

14. Even when that candidate makes it clear how much he or she HATES

large swaths of the human population.

Which Donald is doing as part of his reality show we call a campaign, while the other ones actually believe it.

[randys1]

13. 2 b fair, Bernie folks banned me because like a dog with a bone I would not let go

of the Democrat vs DemocratIC issue.

With the Hillary folks I plainly pointed out what DWS did by going public with the data issue was to GREATLY harm BOTH candidates.

What some folks wont get in their heads is personalities dont matter.

Sure, Bernie is far more liberal on economic issues and I am more liberal than he is, so he is my first choice, but at the end of the day I will work on Hillary's campaign if that is what it takes to keep these rightwing terrorists out of total control of America

[ismnotwasm]

16. You're one of the good guys randy1

I'm sorry you got caught in the crossfire

[randys1]

17. Thanks...

[MeNMyVolt]

24. +1

[libdem4life]

18. I'd say that is was just more Imperialism...Because She Can. Another Hmmmm? for HRC.

[GeorgeGist]

19. Rubio beats Clinton or Sanders. Scary.

[JaneyVee]

20. K AND R!

[Jarqui]

21. I've been watching these guys since Clinton's PAC hired them

Those age demographics significantly favor Clinton

Q50 If you are 18 to 29 years old, press 1. If 30 to
45, press 2. If 46 to 65, press 3. If you are older
than 65, press 4.
18 to 29........................................................... 12% (18.5%) (Sanders does better with this age group)
30 to 45........................................................... 22% (29.8%) (Sanders does better with this age group)
46 to 65........................................................... 44% (36.7%) (Clinton does better with this age group)
Older than 65.................................................. 23% (15%) (Clinton does better with this age group)
(In parenthesis are the 2008 and 2012 average demographics for the general election)
roughly)
Roughly 15% fewer young voters that favor Sanders and 15% more older voters who favor Clinton

Clinton Favorability -17
Sanders Favorability -15 ??? (minus 15!!!)
- something's up there - and this was before the data debacle hit the news.

Yesterday's PPP poll, again wildly uses demographics that favors Clinton
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_121715.pdf
Q41 If you are 18 to 45 years old, press 1. If 46 to
65, press 2. If you are older than 65, press 3.
18 to 45 23% (48.3%) (Sanders does better with this age group)
46 to 65 47% (36.7%) (Clinton does better with this age group)
Older than 65 31% (15%) (Clinton does better with this age group)

Does PPP have their finger on the scale for Hillary? Doesn't look good to me. Why would they do this and be that far off? I don't remember this happening in 2008 or 2012 - maybe it did was I was dumb. And this group isn't the only pollster where I'm seeing this. Seems to happen a lot.

[Persondem]

23. They sample the population as they vote. nt.

[Jarqui]

25. That unfavorable rating for Sanders is a real outlier

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/bernie-sanders-favorable-rating
and pretty consistent from PPP
Emerson College Polling Society (whoever they are) is the only other one in that vicinity

The age demographic does not explain it all but Sanders favorability improves from -15 to -8 when you project to a 2008-2012 age demographic

[questionseverything]

27. look at page 7

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_122115.pdf

80% landlines/20% online

also spews a little older and conservative

don't worry,keep working in real life

[rurallib]

26. polls at this time ain't worth the paper they are written on.

[kcjohn1]

28. PPP is working for Clinton

Notice how all their polls are the ones most favorable to Clinton?

More suspicious is that when their polls get released. Always when they want to drive the narrative. This one coming right after debate.

[MrWendel]

30. One thing about BS

supporters. They LOOOOOOOOVE a good conspiracy. The world is out to get their guy. Unless he leads then it's fair and balanced.

[Persondem]

31. What complete nonsense. Of the last 9 national polls to come out all but one

have Clinton the same or higher than PPP. Only 1 is lower than PPP. Find another narrative.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary