H Post: Bernie Sanders Won the Debate, Defeated the DNC, and Became the Real Democratic Front Runner

[Omaha Steve]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/bernie-sanders-won-the-debate-defeated-the-dnc_b_8851816.html

H. A. Goodman

Posted: 12/21/2015 9:12 am EST Updated: 1 hour ago

In my recent appearance on the Thom Hartmann Program, I explain why Bernie Sanders will become president, and why the recent data controversy illuminates numerous Clinton scandals overtly ignored by the DNC. Debbie Wasserman Shultz struck at the campaign, Sanders supporters struck back, and genuine progressives won. The Sanders campaign showed the nation which candidate controls the fate of the Democratic establishment, despite the group think associated with landline-based poll numbers that had Clinton up by a similar margin in 2008.

Bernie Sanders proved he's the true Democratic frontrunner, forcing the DNC to cave within one weekend. In a matter of days, the DNC realized that attacking Bernie Sanders meant dire consequences. Ironically, the base of voters blocked from Sanders is also the lifeblood of the DNC. You can't defeat Trump in 2016 with millions of frustrated and angry progressives (well aware of the dirty tricks of establishment Democrats even against Obama in 2008), regardless of who becomes the eventual Democratic nominee.

In trying to undermine Sanders, Debbie Wasserman Schultz essentially undermined the Democratic Party. Ultimately, the stunt showed voters a peek behind the Wizard of Oz curtain called the 2016 Democratic Primary. While the Clinton campaign utilized the issue to circumvent an ongoing and expanded FBI investigation (FBI director James Comey stated he's "personally following closely" an investigation into Clinton's server), Sanders secured access to his data within days.

Luckily, the FBI isn't involved with investigating any of Bernie's data, nor is Sanders accused of having foreign donor (The Washington Post states Foreign governments gave millions to foundation while Clinton was at State Dept.) or weapons deal controversies. Like Dieter Holger writes in a Huffington Post article titled Hillary Clinton Is Pro Gun Control, But She's Also Big on Arms Deals, Clinton's anti-gun stance stops at the water's edge:

According to an investigation by journalists David Sirota and Andrew Perez of the International Business Times, Clinton not only rubber-stamped major weapon deals with 20 countries that donated to her and her husband's philanthropic arm, the Clinton Foundation, but also approved nearly double the amount of arms sales to those same 20 countries as the State Department of George W. Bush's second term.

FULL story at link.

[merrily]

1. Ridiculous posts about Goodman in 3-2-

[MuseRider]

4. :-)

[merrily]

38. .

[rhett o rick]

83. Great job of beating them to the first response slot. It's tactic #3 for them. nm

[merrily]

92. Are you daring to imply I am not original?

They don't have a crystal ball though. Please see Reply 12.

[rhett o rick]

98. Hard to believe but they have tactics. One is to watch closely and jump on the number one response

slot. If you'll notice they are usually very short posts so they can get in faster. It's hilarious. I am not complaining, just think it's sad.

[fleur-de-lisa]

5. You called it . . . second post! eom

[merrily]

12. I don't often make predictions, but when I do, they aint' bad!

[pengu]

28. I don't see any

This ignore list feature is great.

[merrily]

32. LOL! Trust me.

[MissDeeds]

53. I don't see them either

[bvar22]

79. Can't see or hear them here either.

In my 14 years at DU, I have never had to put anyone on ignore,
Now, I have 12, and DU has improved immensely.
For those on my ignore list, I don't need to hear WHAT they have to say.
I ALREADY know what they are going to say because all they do is either:

*Make stuff up

OR

*Attack the messenger

OR
*engage in lengthy mutual masturbation with another Hillary supporter (avert your eyes from THAT spectacle) in the middle of a Sanders thread,
again to break up the continuity of any intelligent Discussions

OR post a baffling non-sequitur just to break up a thread.

I have left a few Hillary supporters off the IGNORE list.
There ARE a handful who post CONTENT with supporting cites,
are intelligent,
and a credit to the Hillary Campaign....but not many.
Those few, I can still see,
but the one line Slur Masters and Swift Boaters are GONE from my DU experience,
and DU is better for it.

[merrily]

94. Priceless. If I could dip your post in chocolate, I would.

As it is, I'll bookmark.

[passiveporcupine]

109. Until this campaign, I never put anyone on ignore, but I had a big list for awhile

I just took them all off ignore, because I doubt I'll be posting much here until the primary is over.

[merrily]

93. Lucky you!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

43. I curious who posted comment #2 - I must have him/her on ignore.

But I have a hunch and would love to be right! You can PM me if you want!!

[cannabis_flower]

97. Nurse Jackie

You only missed a ridiculous anti-Goodman post.

[chervilant]

49. Luckily,

I have that one (those?) on IL.

So much more pleasant that way.

[merrily]

51. Those and, while this is not an official prediction, more are likely to come.

[chervilant]

57. Yes.

I've noted at least two who continue to snark and deride any posts that support Bernie or that point out Hillary's tenuous and scandal-ridden campaign. For the life of me, I cannot understand why most of her supporters will snark and deride, but won't answer questions about her disingenuous remarks about sniper fire, her ties to Wall Street, and her numerous "fair weather" positions.

As much as I would like to see a woman president, she is just not the one I hoped for. I will have to grit my teeth and close my eyes if she becomes our nominee...

[JackInGreen]

89. on 2

you're gooooood

[NurseJackie]

2. LOL!!!

Goodman, what a clown!



(Just for you, Merrily!)

[merrily]

33. Thanks, NurseJackie, but my prophesy would have been fulfilled, even if you

hadn't posted.

[NurseJackie]

35. :-D

[ismnotwasm]

63. Because when H.A. Goodman speaks..

Everybody listens..*


*Idiomic usage, not to infer, inply or out right state that, anyone, you know, that anyone actually listens to him or takes him seriously

[NurseJackie]

65. Love it! <3

[Scootaloo]

81. He's better than Froma Harrop.

[merrily]

90. LOL! Ya think?

Soooo much better.

[beam me up scottie]

91. No kidding. Or any of the other racist right wing sources they use to smear Bernie.

Like progressivestoday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=876329

[WillyT]

3. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[fleur-de-lisa]

6. Kick!

Excellent story! Thank you!

[NCTraveler]

7. Amazing what this man can do in under twenty-four hours.

A true unicorn if you will. It is extremely clear from Goodman that there is no need for the election. lol. Goodman really did find a more prosperous group by leaving Paul and pandering to Sanders supporters. Well done on his part.

[1StrongBlackMan]

21. No need for a primary election ...

He will go back to being a republican voting paulite, the day after the Democratic Party has a nominee.

[The Boss]

26. That's a lie, and you know it.

He is not a republican voting Paulite. If you cared to read one of his articles, he'll explain to you why he is still a liberal Democrat.

[libdem4life]

30. Hey if it works for them, sobeit. The more complacent they are, the higher Bernie rides.

It's all sewed up. She's inevitable. She likes to make dramatic entrances and exits. She'll be the first woman, ya know. She gloats in a Presidential way.

Meanwhile, Bernie plods away in his own, same-old, same-old style and message. It's the Oligarchs vs. the Revolutionary. Not exactly new or original, but it's what we have. Lots of money and ad time and influence and name recognition vs. Less money, less ad time and needing to be introduced to the nation

Take it to the streets, literally, Iowa. We're counting on you all.

But just in case, read my Sig Line.

[OilemFirchen]

69. Who's complacent?

Other than, of course, Ha Ha Goodone - who believes that the coronation is inevitable?

BTW, I read your sig line. Is it null to indicate the value of the post above?

[1StrongBlackMan]

42. He is a liberal Democrat, because ...

It gives him cred with folks ... to sell his articles.

[The Boss]

45. Really?

Remember that article on Rand Paul I wrote? Of course I never wanted to vote for a Republican, but I didn't want another president willing to engage in perpetual wars. Clinton's review of a book by Henry Kissinger as well as articles in The New York Times, Vox, and other publications illustrate she might be willing to continue Bush's quagmires. In 2014, even I thought that Clinton's nomination was an eventuality, therefore I searched for an alternative to a hawkish Democrat.

I always believed progressives should oppose Republicans on matters of war and national security, not simply claim a devastating Iraq vote was a "mistake."

I've been a registered Democrat all my life (voting for Gore, Kerry, and Obama twice), but when President Obama was sending Americans back to Iraq in 2014, I searched desperately for an alternative to Clinton's "neocon" foreign policy. I'm not a Facebook Liberal and when I'm on Ring of Fire correlating Dick Cheney to the chaos in the Middle East, I also know that Hillary Clinton could have offered a powerful voice of protest.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/why-bernie-sanders-has-already-won-the-democratic-debates_b_8278834.html

[pnwmom]

52. He knows that no informed progressive takes him seriously after that

endorsement, so he's backtracking now.

No real progressive could ever vote for that tea party libertarian. He took his position when the Dem contest was still wide open and people were still hoping for Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

A true progressive would have waited to see if they were going to run, before tossing his support to Rand Paul even before Hillary announced.

He's just posing as one.

[1StrongBlackMan]

59. Posing and getting paid ...

Clickety, clickety, clickety!

[tblue37]

106. Oh, sorry. I misunderstood your previous post as referring to Sanders. That's why I was

so surprised and upset about it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

108. No problem. I don't have a problem with Bernie's politics.

[tblue37]

110. I am relieved. So many people make DU suck these days--including OTT supporters

of both frontrunners. (I am a Bernie supporter, but I see a lot of unpleasant posts from some supporters on both sides.)

Anyway, you have always been one of the people on DU whose posts I respect and enjoy reading, so I recoiled in horror when I misread your post as being an ugly and untrue smear against Bernie. I couldn't believe it of you, so I am relieved as hell to find out I was wrong about your meaning.

[pnwmom]

47. It isn't a lie and informed people know it. He ENDORSED Rand Paul for President

in November 2014. This is public record and he can't erase it.

And neither can you.

No actual progressive could ever endorse a tea party libertarian. Never, ever.

[PosterChild]

68. If you have explain why . ...

..... you actually are a liberal democratic, you probably aren't .

[leftofcool]

75. He's a Paul supporter. Good grief!

[rhett o rick]

84. Don't waiste your breath. It's just a tactic (#9 actually). Can you smell the desperation? nm

[tblue37]

104. Bernie is an FDR Democrat as far as his voting history and his political stances

are concerned.

You disappoint me 1SBM. I have always admired your posts. This potshot isn't fair or true--and it isn't like you to be unfair or untrue, even when disagreeing with someone.

Please return to your regularly scheduled posting excellence.

[1StrongBlackMan]

107. I'm not talking about Bernie ...

I'm talking about H.A. Goodman, like everyone else in this sub-thread.

[Ken Burch]

114. Which won't be 'til Philly.

Might as well face it...this year, NO ONE is "inevitable". And no one is entitled to be smug.

[1StrongBlackMan]

126. I beg to differ ... I suspect the Democrats will have our nominee, ...

shortly after Super Tuesday ... But than again, look at the gop ... there remain candidates still in the race with no chance of winning the gop nomination.

[Ken Burch]

113. No worse than the OP that says HRC simply WILL win Iowa in six weeks

As if is an unchallengeable assertion simply because the OP says it is.

The truth is, everything is up for grabs and nothing can be assumed anywhere at this moment.

[NCTraveler]

116. I don't find that op to be negative...

Or pie in the sky in any way. The difference in the two is night and day.

Tell me. Which prediction do you find has a better chance of becoming reality?

That DUers or the Paul supporter pandering to Sanders supporters in order to gain viewership?

There is simply no comparison like you just attempted to make.

[Ken Burch]

118. It was snide and arrogant and it basically implied that Bernie should just get out now.

It was another "HRC is SIMPLY OWED the nomination and you peasants have no right to have any say in this" screed. There is no excuse to ever post anything like that. And since Iowa is generally seen as either neck-and-neck or leaning to Bernie, the smugness in that OP isn't even justified by any empirical facts.

It doesn't help the GOP for Bernie to do well, and it wouldn't hurt them if HRC DID wrap up the nom in march. The GOP WANTS HRC to be nominated...that's what they've been wishing for the whole time. They know that they can crush her in the fall, because a HRC-led ticket can't possibly generate any enthusiasm from anyone. Those of us who are "eat your spinach" voters will vote for her, but those who were electrified by what Bernie's campaign represents will feel that they don't matter and that nothing they cared about will be represented by HRC, that she will be as dismissive of all the ideals and hopes he represents as many of her supporters are here. That she will treat the rest of the party as underlings to be "put in their place".

In a better world, those of you who support her would be pushing her to acknowledge the importance of what Bernie's campaign stands for and the desperate need to keep faith with it...but it's not going to surprise any of us if she is just as adamant as John Kerry or El Perro Grande himself that nothing grassroots or transformational at all will be in the platform.

Every time people supporting HRC post a "she's already won, Bernie shouldn't even be running anymore" thread, at a time when no one anywhere has voted, they give aid and comfort to the GOP. Why on earth would they want to do that?

[NCTraveler]

121. "Give aid and comfort to the GOP"

Laughable at best. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt by just laughing. Done.

[Ken Burch]

122. They give that aid and comfort by alienating the young people

the ones who are only interested in this race at all because Bernie is running(HRC's campaign has almost no young supporters at all) by dismissing the great cause they are fighting for.

If HRC's supporters actually want to elect her(assuming she gets nominated, which is far from a certainty), they will have to acknowledge the validity of the issues the Sanders movement fights for. They will need to admit that their candidate HAS been too close to corporate power in the past and needs to make a decisive break from it(it's not possible to fight for compassionate governance, the needs of ordinary people and any notion at all of the greater common good, on the one hand AND defend Wall Street's short-term-rate-on-return-at-ANY-cost agenda on the other).

Most Americans do NOT want the Democratic Party to stand only for making things slightly less ugly, and most people don't think that military intervention and defending the rights of women and children go together. Turning Syria into glass can never lead to a feminist Middle East.

[NCTraveler]

123. The dishonesty in your post is staggering.

Last edited Wed Dec 23, 2015, 09:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Exactly who Goodman is writing for.

"HRC's campaign has almost no young supporters at all"

You really cleared things up with that one. Thanks.

[Ken Burch]

125. I didn't say it had none. It has a small number.

But it isn't young people throwing $2000-a-plate fundraisers in private homes.

And it isn't young people saying that Bernie's ideas are unachievable and that everyone backing Bernie should just give up and settle for bland passionless corporate centrism based on tiny, undetectable increments of minor change.

And it isn't young people(especially young women) claiming that "force projection" military intervention can led to better lives for women and children.

I'm not young myself(just turned 55), but I haven't checked my dreams and my soul at the door, and I will always stand with the young and the dreamers and the poets, because they are the ones who haven't given up yet.

[MisterP]

8. this was one Yahoo--anyone browsing on their mobile at the bus stop is gonna see the headline

[restorefreedom]

9. hell yeah! good find, steve!! nt

[riversedge]

10. Bingo. I read the headline title and knew it was St Nick delivering

another bag of goodies to his believers.



Hillary for Iowa Retweeted
Lily Adams ?@adamslily Dec 19

Only candidate to mention Planned Parenthood again is @HillaryClinton #DemDebate

[angrychair]

14. Bernie

Was only candidate too mention that women make 78 cents on the dollar to men and to talk about his bill for paid family leave then your candidate got huffy that he brought up women's issues and started spewing how much she cares too. Always following Bernie's lead.
'Following' being the operative term here. Evolving on issues right after Sanders mentions them.

[cantbeserious]

11. Thank You For Sharing These Truths

eom

[ViseGrip]

13. They're right!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

15. "landline-based poll numbers"

Oh, but those are MUCH more "scientific" than "clicky polls".

Right?

[demwing]

16. "Sciency"

Things that resembling real science, but without the messy facts and stuff...

[merrily]

36. Sciency is truthy and you just can't beat truthiness.

Except with the truth.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

50. She could dispel all of these rumors overnight by filling a stadium with cheering fans....

But she's not "showy" that way.

[MissDeeds]

56. And there's not enough rope to keep the proletariat at bay

[demwing]

60. The Hill prefers more intimate sessions

where she can really listen to the needs of the oppressed billionaire class.

[tritsofme]

17. All is fine. Sanders continues to dominate polls and lead the race. He will be the next president

[PosterChild]

67. And our undercover operation to.....

.....expose unethical DNC behavior was a huge success !

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. I saw the H/P, and read the title and, somehow ...

knew it was a Goodman piece.

Goodman must be the favorite uncle of someone ... he has a knack for give people all the candy they want.

[ismnotwasm]

22. This is awesome though

Between the 'refused to share a toilet' thread and the H.A. Goodman meanderings, this day, looking at DU had me laughing out loud.

[1StrongBlackMan]

23. Yes, I know ...

I've tried all day to avoid the nonsense; but, have been unable to ...

On a positive note, I've visited parts of DU, I had never seen before.

[ismnotwasm]

24. I'm thinking about that

It's a big, big website, with lots to offer topicwise, really

[AlbertCat]

25. I saw the H/P, and read the title and, somehow ... knew it was a Goodman piece.

Somehow?

Hubris perhaps?




Remember.... she lost the last one, and she can lose this one too.

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. Yes. Anything is possible ...

The candidate I like best, Martin O'Malley, might suddenly break through, AND the media might pretend to take notice.

[PosterChild]

71. It really puzzles me that...

.... an actual Democrat with substantial executive experience and left-of-Hillary cred hasn't gotten the attention and support I believed he would.

[1StrongBlackMan]

73. That has me puzzled, as well. ...

I think we can chalk it up to bad timing. O'Malley is running between two large than life candidates/campaigns ... HRC, with her history and experience and Bernie with his movement of the disaffected, the simply was no oxygen left for him to breathe, especially when the media buys into the story line.

[Number23]

103. It's like Santa Claus on Christmas day for these folks

Never mind that Santa smells like MD 2020, has just kicked the shit out of your dog and is actually TAKING your gifts from your house. He's here ain't he? Must be the real thing.

This is all so truly, terribly sad. Really, really sad.

[dinkytron]

19. And he became the enemy of the DNC and Dem. Mainstream. This is going to get fugly.

[polichick]

102. Not the mainstream - only corporate "Dems" and those fooled by them.

[fasttense]

20. I feel smearing Clinton just makes me NOT want to vote at all.

I truly think Sanders was in the right with this whole data access scandal. But bashing Clinton just to bash her is really not productive. Yes her surrogates really f**k up. And she probably let them do what they did. But politicians are allowed to accepted bribes in America and the Supreme Court agrees. So, bashing her for taking money is like bashing a horse for eating hay.

That's is why I'm voting for Bernie Sanders. He is not taking illegal or legal bribes. He's a horse of a different color and American politics needs a good injection of honesty.

[workinclasszero]

27. H A Goodman is a ***kin libertarian Rand lover

I'm a Liberal Democrat. I'm Voting for Rand Paul in 2016. Here Is Why.
H. A. Goodman

Columnist published in The Cleveland Plain Dealer, The Baltimore Sun, The Hill, Salon, The Jerusalem Post

Posted: 11/17/2014 3:31 am EST Updated: 01/17/2015 5:59 am EST
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/im-a-liberal-democrat-im_b_6169542.html

[The Boss]

40. And here's a reminder of his

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/why-bernie-sanders-has-already-won-the-democratic-debates_b_8278834.html

Remember that article on Rand Paul I wrote? Of course I never wanted to vote for a Republican, but I didn't want another president willing to engage in perpetual wars. Clinton's review of a book by Henry Kissinger as well as articles in The New York Times, Vox, and other publications illustrate she might be willing to continue Bush's quagmires. In 2014, even I thought that Clinton's nomination was an eventuality, therefore I searched for an alternative to a hawkish Democrat.

I always believed progressives should oppose Republicans on matters of war and national security, not simply claim a devastating Iraq vote was a "mistake."

I've been a registered Democrat all my life (voting for Gore, Kerry, and Obama twice), but when President Obama was sending Americans back to Iraq in 2014, I searched desperately for an alternative to Clinton's "neocon" foreign policy. I'm not a Facebook Liberal and when I'm on Ring of Fire correlating Dick Cheney to the chaos in the Middle East, I also know that Hillary Clinton could have offered a powerful voice of protest.

[Duval]

48. I'm so glad you posted this. Thank you!

[pnwmom]

54. He's a fraud. He endorsed Paul in November 2014, without waiting

even for Hillary to announce -- much less Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

There was no rush for him to endorse Rand Paul. He did it because he wanted to.

[workinclasszero]

64. Hes a fraud

No real democrat in his or hers wildest freakin nightmare would EVER vote for republican teahaddist Rand Paul!

I cant believe adults fall for H A Goodmans HS!

But now hes a Bernie true believer! OMG SMH

[zentrum]

29. Yes! In trying to undermine

…..Bernie and support Hillary, DWS is undermining the Democratic Party itself and especially its future——young people.

It's PUMA writ large. It's also the legacy of what the DLC did to Democratic values.

Everyone needs to call the DNC and also, the bigger Democratic leaders and express their concern (indignation), not only about DWS—but about the fact that Bernie beats all Republican candidates by larger margins than Clinton does.

DWS is endangering the entire process. Why are we Democrats standing for it?

DNC PHONE NUMBER: 202-863-8000

TO SEND AN EMAIL: http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats

[Enthusiast]

31. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!

Thank you, OS!

[upaloopa]

34. Hillary will win the nomination and will

become the 45th POTUS.

HA Goodman will go bull shit some other group

Life is good

[libdem4life]

37. Kill the Messenger...in Full Force. Funny, you can't scrub all of the servers of all of

of the messengers and the ccs likely sent to many others. Maybe Pagliani didn't scrub his server quite as well. Just another HRC Hmmm ????.

.

[Uncle Joe]

39. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Omaha Steve.

[Duval]

41. K&R Thanks so much Omaha Steve

I believe this mess is going to set her back. Hartmann was saying a few minutes ago, how Sanders won so many elections in Vermont because they knew he was honest. Honesty is a big deal to all voters.
Hillary is an accomplished politician and would likely carry on the policies of her husband as well as Obama. Bernie offers much needed change in many areas.

As I've said numerous times, if she is the nominee I will vote for her. But, I'm seeing more and more supporters for Bernie, like myself.

[pnwmom]

44. So says the libertarian who endorsed Rand Paul for Pres. a year ago.

[stevenleser]

55. And then Goodman flew back from Bizarro world and said nevermind. nt

[Faux pas]

58. Kickin' with gusto!

[Proserpina]

61. You sure got a good haul there, Steve

Lots of slimy eels.

Great article, btw

[seabeyond]

62. Ha... Is right. Ha ha ha ha.

[NaturalHigh]

66. "the Real Democratic Front Runner"

The polls don't support that statement. It's wishful thinking at best.

[riversedge]

72. ]One word:

Hillary for Iowa ?@HillaryforIA Dec 19 Des Moines, IA

One word: presidential. #ImWithHer

[Paka]

70. Big K&R

I don't know why more is not out there about the weapon's deals.

This statement says it all: "Clinton's anti-gun stance stops at the water's edge"

[Helen Borg]

74. He is the clear front runner!

[leftofcool]

76. HA Goodman candy.

[Gothmog]

77. It was easy to tell that this was another silly HA Goodman post

Thanks for the laughs

[Bohemianwriter]

78. Got someone to kill?

Just donate to the Clintons and you'll get any deal you want in no time.

Got a job to lose?

Vote Hillary and find out whether she wants to ship it out with the TPP.

[Autumn]

99. Disgusting post

[Bohemianwriter]

112. Really?

Because her actions as a politician, a corrupt one proves my words.

[Ken Burch]

115. Nobody wants your kind of hate posts on DU. Go away. n/t.

[Bohemianwriter]

117. Where's the hate?

Here's the deal!

Who was laughing at the death of Qadaffi?`

Who voted for the invasion of Iraq?

Who's been taking money from the arms industry?

I am a veteran!

I am against wars, and all who promotes it in one way or another!

And when someone talks about ground troops and no fly zones, then I react!

But it's seemingly more important to uphold a liars facade than principles.

[Ken Burch]

119. I hate wars too and back Bernie-but implying HRC is a mafia boss ordering hits on people

just plays into right-wing propaganda.

[Bohemianwriter]

120. The establishment is just like the Mafia..

And when it comes to arms deals, I am sure that her donors are very happy to use those weapons on someone!

Get it?

When she's involved in arms deals, rubber stamping them, she is no better than a reichwinger!

She IS a reichwinger!

[randys1]

100. What a horrific and ugly LIE and how in the hell are you even here on this board?

[Bohemianwriter]

111. Hillary is the one who wants...

A "no fly zone" so she can send poor black kids to fight the wars for her war mongering war profiteers in the Arms industry.

Deal with it.


On the side note, Hillary has already cost thousands of lives for voting for the invasion of Iraq, the ousting of Qaddafi, and the continuation of the war on drugs.

"We came, we saw, he died" and then all hell broke loose in Libya, and she laughs about it.

I gather you have kids you are more than willing to sacrifice for Hillary's wars. I'm sure she will laugh again when your kids come home broken or dead.

[BeanMusical]

80. Kick and R

[Buzz cook]

82. So the zombie lie that

Has Clinton's campaign directly benefiting from donations to the Clinton Foundation shambles on.

Bernie's sock puppets love recycling so much the reuse every right wing lie.

[ChiciB1]

85. Thanks For Posting... Just Want To Give It A HUGE KICK! n/t

[MineralMan]

86. I knew it was H.A.G. from the title.

[whereisjustice]

87. Hillary and DNC skunks stepped in shit, rubbed it off by smearing it over the neighbors rug

Now the place smells like skunks AND shit.

[in_cog_ni_to]

88. Thom Hartmann doesn't have cliwns as guests on his show. So all the insults hurled at

Goodman, just makes you look small and petty. Thom Hartmann is a BRILLIANT, INTELLIGENT guy. If Goodman didn't know what he was talking about, he wouldn't be on Thom's show.

Great article, OS!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[raouldukelives]

95. K&R No more politicians who rubber stamp neocon dreams. nt

[Progressive dog]

96. H.A. Goodman is not going to help

Bernie with Democrats.
His mindless hatred for Hillary shows through in his poor imitation of the RW fantasy claims against the Democratic party and it's leaders.

[Thinkingabout]

101. Before I ever opened this OP, I knew it was probably something by H A Goodman, I was right.

Only someone like H A Goodman would write an article "Won the Debate, Defeated the DNC, and the Real Democratis front runner". I am wondering if reality will arrive before long. A writer I can not believe.

[okasha]

105. And there REALLY ARE

fairies at the bottom of the garden.



(And before some asshat pretends that's a homophobic reference, see Arthur Conan Doyle and the Cottington hoax. )

[Dem2]

124. Ok, it seems that this person is kind of a joke here

So generally when this happens posting their stories becomes kind of a joke right?