I saw a comment online somewhere yesterday that cracked me up.

[pnwmom]

Some young guy saying he wasn't interested in Hillary Clinton because she reminded him too much of his MOTHER.

Well guess what, young guy: since I've been your age, I've been looking at candidates that reminded me of my father. Or grandfather. Or uncle. Or brother.

For the first time EVER, there is a real possibility that young men might have to swallow the idea of a President who reminds them of their mother.

Deal with it.

[notadmblnd]

1. Hillary Clinton reminds you of your father?

Your comment is funnier

[pnwmom]

3. You need some new glasses. Either that or a reading class. n/t

[notadmblnd]

5. I do need new glasses, can't afford them

I'm no where near being in the 1%. I'd probably say I'm probably closer to the bottom of the wealth scale. But thanks for showing your concern. I know with you it's coming straight from the heart.

[Cha]

57. Some people are just too quick with the snark without even reading well.

[NurseJackie]

2. Love it! <3

[rhett o rick]

4. Yeah I know that guy. His mother was Margaret Thatcher. nm

[Dustlawyer]

14. No, Joan Crawford "Mommy Dearest!"

So if Joan had run we should have voted for her?

[m-lekktor]

47. lol nt

[Nonhlanhla]

6. I think that feeling is more common than we think.

There are some deep-seated cultural issues with regards to older women, including all kinds of mommy issues. I suspect some of that lurks beneath the surface of a lot of Hillary hate.

I know in academia the way in which male and female professors' student feedback is looked at, differs, because they found that students rated their female profs far more harshly. Students are more inclined to see male profs are "brilliant" and female profs as "shrill" or not motherly enough (but if the profs are motherly, then they don't get respect either, so it's a bit of a no-win game). I think we're seeing stuff like that being played on the national stage.

[hollysmom]

7. oddly enough I think you hit on something here

When I was in my 50's I was a free lance consultant. When I started there with several young men, I felt like the interviewers were hostile, still I got hired. when I got a better offer and was leaving one female manager who was not born when I began programming called me into the office. She said when I was being interviewed she did not want them to hire me, because it would be like having your mother work for you. She didn't think she could order me around, but it worked out fine. I found it odd because she did not have a problem with the older men consultants, just me. I guess it was not like ordering your father around, I don't understand it but see it as a problem.

[pnwmom]

8. Good point. I think most women older than 50 have had at least one experience like that.

So the bias affects young people of both genders.

[keithbvadu2]

9. Pickles

[MisterP]

10. quite right: people should dislike candidates because of atrocious foreign and domestic policies

[pnwmom]

11. Whichever is the nominee, the two others will strongly endorse.

None of the three has been claiming that any of them have "atrocious" foreign and domestic policies.

[daleanime]

12. Being a parent doesn't automatically make you a good person....

just look at Cheney.

[pnwmom]

15. Neither does being a man, but that's been the de facto job requirement for more than 200 years. n/t

[daleanime]

17. So it's OK just as long....

as the candidate is a woman? No other requirements needed?

[pnwmom]

22. Why are you twisting what I said? I said that women have been dealing forever with

Presidents who look like their fathers, grandfathers, uncles, and brothers.

Now men might have to deal with a President who reminds them of their mothers.

Get used to it.

That is NOT a reason to exclude Hillary or any other women -- as this young man seemed to think.

[SunSeeker]

13. K & R

[question everything]

16. Same comment was made in 2008

I hope it is not the same person..

[tecelote]

18. My mother is not a hawk.

Hillary says we can't afford Bernie's proposals to improve America but we can afford regime change in the Middle East?

I'll gladly vote for the first women President who has compassion for the people in this world.

[Moonwalk]

19. Interestingly, an African-American male friend had very different take on this....

We were at a lecture and the speaker mentioned that men might be uneasy about women leaders because they remind them of their mothers (Hillary being one example). At which point, my friend said to me—"It might bother white men that way, but in a lot of black communities it's the moms that get things done. So, a woman in charge says to a lot of us that things are in good hands and going to get taken care of. We'd feel good about having a leader who reminds us of our mother."

Up till then, I too, had only considered the dissonance between male/female perspective on female leaders.

[pnwmom]

23. That is very interesting!

[leftofcool]

26. I love this take on it.

[BlueMTexpat]

48. Nice take. Thanks. eom

[Luminous Animal]

20. Really. You've been looking at candidates that remind you of your father?

There is not candidate in my life time that reminds me of my father. Or grandfather. Or uncle, or brother, or nephew.

Not one. My father was a better man than any politician.

[pnwmom]

24. My father, brother, uncles, and grandfathers were all white men.

They had that in common with every other President for more than 2 hundred years.

[Luminous Animal]

28. Ah. So your white male relatives were only that. White male relatives.

They had no individual aspirations… hopes and dreams… ignorance or wisdom… expansiveness of heart… generosity towards strangers friends and neighbors… heroes or humble… brave and true… duplicitous or honest.

Nope just white men. To be shoved in a folder as white men.

Truly. Obama and Bernie have more in common vis a vis their upbringing than either of them with Hillary's upbringing.

Class also matters.

[pnwmom]

30. Hillary had a Republican father, so she had to make her own way politically,

after she changed her views.

One of the people who had the greatest influence on her was the Methodist youth minister who took her in a group, when she was 14, to hear Dr. Martin Luther King speak.

During college she wrote her senior thesis about Saul Alinksky, the Marxist and activist, who was also an influence on her. And after Yale law school her first job was working for Marion Edelman of the Children's Defense Fund.

It isn't Hillary's fault that she was raised by a Republican father in a suburb of Chicago. What matters is what she's done with her life since then.

And she's accomplished a great deal since then -- as much as either of the men she's running against.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

29. Mine weren't....

If we could only have my uncle as president.

Or is it too soon after the Indian Wars?

[George II]

21. Amazing how a positive post about a historical candidate attracts negative misogynistic....

....comments, huh?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

25. My mother was more honest.

[catnhatnh]

27. Great example

of playing the gender card. "Someone" on line said something and it's off to the races again.

[pnwmom]

31. self-delete

[catnhatnh]

33. Yep I know because of the thousands of posts on DU...

...by Bernie supporters attacking poor Hillary for having lady parts.






Oh no-that would be hyperbole.

[pnwmom]

36. There were quite a few yesterday attacking her for needing more time in the bathroom. n/t

[catnhatnh]

35. Just pulling your post about the race card...

...doesn't mean I didn't see it.

[pnwmom]

38. I pulled it to edit and accidentally ended up with two posts. n/t

[pnwmom]

32. To say " playing the gender card" is just as sexist as saying "playing the race card" is racist.

I bet you wouldn't dream of using the phrase "playing the race card" on a Democratic board. But you're perfectly fine with saying "playing the gender card."

[catnhatnh]

37. I certainly would

if that were the case. Look you started this post to push the meme that men in general and some Bernie supporters are misogynists and as proof offered an anonymous and out of context quote-for all we know it may have been from a humorous or satirical post. It's basically low-level shit stirring and I reject it.

[pnwmom]

39. No, you have not successfully read my mind. I didn't say that men in general are misogynists.

And I didn't say anything about Bernie. I just said that women have ALWAYS been dealing with father figures as President; and men need to get used to the idea of mother figures as President.

And angry, defensive reactions like yours -- accusing me of "playing the gender card" -- just prove my point.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/gender-and-politics-peta-credlin/

Women aren’t holding any cards – that’s the problem. It is the sexists who have all the cards.

It’s the sexists who are who are using their gender as an advantage. They’re the ones using their gender to dominate, belittle and shame women. Sexists are using their gender to make sure that they hold on to their power and that women don’t come and steal it.

When people are being sexist, THEY are playing The Gender Card.

They are throwing it down on the table and saying: I’m the dominant gender and this is how it’s going to be.

When people call out sexism they are not making the situation suddenly sexist. A sexist outcome does not magically appear when you speak its name. The situation was already made that way by the sexists who are holding all the cards.

[BlueMTexpat]

49. +1. eom

[Bonobo]

34. Cool story, brah.

[pnwmom]

40. Thanks, Bonobo. n/t

[rhett o rick]

41. It isn't her age or gender that has brought out the many, many people to support Sen Sanders.

They want a government free from the influence of corporations like Goldman-Sachs. They recognize that when big money donates to a candidate they expect quid pro quo.

[pnwmom]

42. I didn't say it was. I said that women have always had to deal with male Presidents

and men should get used to the idea of female Presidents.

Even if accomplished, mature women uncomfortably remind them of their mothers.

Men have held the monopoly for more than 200 years but they won't forever.

[pnwmom]

44. I didn't say a word about Bernie in my OP. For all I know, that young man

was an O'Malley supporter.

[rhett o rick]

45. I wonder how Democrats sleep at night when they support the 1% that has brought us

16,000,000 American children living in poverty. The 1%, like Goldman-Sachs cares only about profits and not our children.

This is a class war and the 1% and their lackeys don't care about anything but money.

[pnwmom]

46. Some of us just don't think Bernie has a magic wand to wave.

And that Hillary, who had a very progressive record during her term as Senator, has a better chance of winning the general and of getting progressive legislation through Congress.

[rhett o rick]

55. If Sen Sanders will have the support of most all Democrats, he will have a much better

chance in the general. He may even bring in some moderate Republicon votes. Clinton will not be able to bring in all the Democratic voters and zero Republicons. The math favors Sanders. And remember the billionaires don't care if they get Clinton or Bush. Scary isn't it.

Clinton isn't progressive. She takes money from the billionaires in spite of saying she doesn't approve of Citizens United. Her hawkish foreign policies are not progressive. Her stands on fracking, student loans, reinstatement of Glass-Steigall, job killing "Free Trade" agreements, arctic drilling, not raising the cap on SS, medical marijuana, are not progressive. She came late to the side of same sex marriage and has taken money from Prisons for Profit. She has taken money from corporations like Goldman-Sachs to bolster her personal wealth. She is not a progressive.

[pnwmom]

56. African Americans and Hispanics aren't wild about Bernie.

They are likely to have significantly higher turnout for Hillary.

And they were the groups that put Obama over the top in 2012. White men and white women went for Romney.

And Hillary is progressive. Her Senate voting record overall put her among the most progressive.

And I don't know why you think Rethugs would vote for Bernie but not Hillary, since you claim she isn't a progressive. I'm sure some mature Rethug women -- who were left by their party years ago -- will be happy to cast their first Democratic votes for Hillary. I know some myself.

[Moonwalk]

54. If it helps, try substituting "Elizabeth Warren" for "Hillary" in the original post, maybe then...

...you'll become part of THIS conversation rather than the one you're in but the rest of us are not.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

43. The young men should be safe until at least January 2025.

[cwydro]

50. Great post!

Love it! So very, very true.

[merrily]

51. Oh, for pity sakes. Reminding one of a parent is not all about gender.

[riversedge]

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[cali]

58. k&r