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Good Lord, people. Sanders apologized. Clinton accepted his apology, so (Original Post) Empowerer Dec 2015 OP
We're not arguing, we're having fun. We are discussing. nc4bo Dec 2015 #1
I don't see much "discussing" going on - just arguing, accusations, name-calling Empowerer Dec 2015 #4
Good times on the DU. It's primary season. nc4bo Dec 2015 #6
I was here then. It was nothing compared to this. Empowerer Dec 2015 #8
Well - perhaps you were seeing it from another pov. nc4bo Dec 2015 #14
If you don't see the racist shit that is being tossed around NOW, murielm99 Dec 2015 #37
The hell I do. I know how low we can go. nc4bo Dec 2015 #50
And alerting. Well not you personally I'm pretty sure MH1 Dec 2015 #10
I don't alert unless it's something is so over the top it's out of our galaxy. nc4bo Dec 2015 #11
Suddenly everyone wants to put it back in the can notadmblnd Dec 2015 #2
From the crowd who posted endless Hillary email articles. JaneyVee Dec 2015 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author notadmblnd Dec 2015 #9
After Hill supporters were subjected to a tsunami of tinfoil about this oasis Dec 2015 #17
Actually, the wrongdoing had to have been on the part of the vendor that was JDPriestly Dec 2015 #25
This ^^^^^^^^^ Phlem Dec 2015 #31
I missed it. Can you please link me to all that evidence? cui bono Dec 2015 #47
Yeah, it seems kinda crazy to me. But that's DU rolls. emulatorloo Dec 2015 #3
Absolutely Gman Dec 2015 #5
There is a lawsuit still as well as a demand sadoldgirl Dec 2015 #12
Thank you. cwydro Dec 2015 #13
Sorry...NO TheProgressive Dec 2015 #15
Would the best answer is to remove access by Sanders camp? Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #27
I am not sure I understand your post????? TheProgressive Dec 2015 #29
He was ask to agree to an audit, he did, access was restored, Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #36
How do you get to the point where you think anyone wants access removed? n/t cui bono Dec 2015 #48
pretty much so. nt msongs Dec 2015 #16
Thank you someone talking sense for once. iandhr Dec 2015 #18
December 18, 2015 TSIAS Dec 2015 #19
You're comparing this to murders and deaths! yardwork Dec 2015 #30
I think they are trying to put it in perspective by pointing out that it's not like that at all mythology Dec 2015 #42
It's hard to tell around here anymore. yardwork Dec 2015 #53
Officially moving on. A little moving on music. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #20
K and R bigwillq Dec 2015 #21
I am glad you are on board for a full investigation Kalidurga Dec 2015 #22
Who leaked this to the m$m/press, and what's the hurry? appalachiablue Dec 2015 #23
Why? Because Haters of Hillary gonna Hate ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #24
Here is how the logic works on this case: JDPriestly Dec 2015 #32
Here's how it REALLY worked... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #38
What Bernie staffers did is not so important. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #44
I fully agree it doesn't reflect poorly on Sanders himself ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #45
We need an independent and very thorough investigation including depositions and JDPriestly Dec 2015 #46
Like I wrote last night RandySF Dec 2015 #26
I am still gobsmacked that there are people burning calories still trying to pin this on Clinton Number23 Dec 2015 #28
I think I can answer your question. JDPriestly Dec 2015 #33
I'm sure all of that is wonderfully informative. But I never asked a question. Number23 Dec 2015 #34
LOL! randome Dec 2015 #54
It's a side effect of the 'anti-establishment' mindset Dem2 Dec 2015 #35
I agree. But when you are so "anti establishment" you would rather blame everything and everybody Number23 Dec 2015 #39
It wasn't a matter of hacking maggies farm Dec 2015 #40
The investigation is still ongoing and there's really no telling what else will be discoverd Number23 Dec 2015 #41
What I really don't understand is Sanders supporters still keeping this alive. BlueCheese Dec 2015 #43
Yes please. Agschmid Dec 2015 #49
How can anyone try to smear Sanders with this if he or she just moves on? merrily Dec 2015 #51
It's not about the candidates. It's about DWS mmonk Dec 2015 #52

Empowerer

(3,900 posts)
4. I don't see much "discussing" going on - just arguing, accusations, name-calling
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:45 PM
Dec 2015

and the same pettiness and sniping that occurred BEFORE the candidates politely told everyone to shut up about it already . . .

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
6. Good times on the DU. It's primary season.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:48 PM
Dec 2015

You should've seen the fun we had in 2007-2008.

I assure you, it was epic.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
14. Well - perhaps you were seeing it from another pov.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:58 PM
Dec 2015

Pretty rotten to see the racist shit being tossed about.

Eye opening.

But no harm, no foul they said. It was just Primary season on the DU.

It did teach me to keep one eye squinted.



murielm99

(30,755 posts)
37. If you don't see the racist shit that is being tossed around NOW,
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:36 AM
Dec 2015

this time, you need new glasses.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
10. And alerting. Well not you personally I'm pretty sure
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:52 PM
Dec 2015

(not the alert I recently juried)

but some of the discussing is getting moronic AND getting people hides (or near-hides in the case of the one I was on. Always feels good to be the deciding vote).

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
11. I don't alert unless it's something is so over the top it's out of our galaxy.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:57 PM
Dec 2015

It's usually something straight from Freep or some other billy goat's bridge.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
2. Suddenly everyone wants to put it back in the can
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:38 PM
Dec 2015

What? Little Debbie and the DNC don't want people talking about it anymore? She was so happy early Friday morning when she was talking to the press about it. Clinton's campaign didn't have any problem going on MSM and making all sorts of accusations either. It didn't cause the harm to Sander's that was intended, in fact, just the opposite occurred, so now it's time to quiet down about it? Campaign theft is serious business, aren't you eager for the independent investigations to take place and it all be aired in public just like it was initially? I know I am.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
7. From the crowd who posted endless Hillary email articles.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:50 PM
Dec 2015

Yet no evidence of any wrong doing on her part but plenty of evidence of wrongdoing on Bernie campaign.

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #7)

oasis

(49,401 posts)
17. After Hill supporters were subjected to a tsunami of tinfoil about this
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:16 PM
Dec 2015

somehow being the fault of the Clinton campaign, I think it only fair that we keep the discussion open until they have exhausted every possible avenue of discovery.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
25. Actually, the wrongdoing had to have been on the part of the vendor that was
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 11:49 PM
Dec 2015

entrusted with securing the data. Bernie's campaign warned about a breach of data in October. The DNC and the vendor apparently allowed a second breach to happen.

The vendor had the duty to secure the data of all the parties.

Because the vendor did not do it's job, some of Bernie's staff was able to query for Hillary's information.

They asked questions in order to determine whose data was whose. That's the way it looks to me. I wasn't there, but that is what I reasonably understand happened based on the facts I have read.

Bernie's campaign did not hack into Hillary's data. They queried that data to determine that some of it was Hillary's. That's the way I read this.

But the duty that was violated was on the part of the vendor who, I have to assume must have accepted the duty to secure the information of one campaign from all the others.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
31. This ^^^^^^^^^
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:20 AM
Dec 2015

this is why we can't have nice things!

Bernie supporters have moved on but then we read dishonest stuff like this.

Does one think we can let lies stand, the other side doesn't feel that way.

emulatorloo

(44,175 posts)
3. Yeah, it seems kinda crazy to me. But that's DU rolls.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:41 PM
Dec 2015

Bernie handled the situation perfectly, HRC was gracious and said lets get to the issues that matter to American voters.

DU has to belabor everything.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
12. There is a lawsuit still as well as a demand
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:58 PM
Dec 2015

for a totally independent investigation.

Bernie wants to have it cleared up and out in
the open. And if HE wants that, then I am
with him.

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
15. Sorry...NO
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:02 PM
Dec 2015

Clinton's DNC setup an entrapment and harmed Senator Sanders. The news
media won't address the truth on this.

Sure, you want this to be 'let go' because the potential damage to Sanders has
already been committed.

So, no, I won't drop it. See my post on "DNC Data Breach: An Analysis in GD-P.

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
29. I am not sure I understand your post?????
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:14 AM
Dec 2015

But if I guess as to what you are trying to say - that is why
the Sanders campaign filed a lawsuit. Did you read the lawsuit and
the contract.

This isn't some sort of 'mother knows best, is it?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
36. He was ask to agree to an audit, he did, access was restored,
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:35 AM
Dec 2015

Sanders apologized, Hillary accepted, Sanders fired one staffer, I understand he has suspended two more but the complaining and conspiracy theories continue. An audit will happen, I dont understand why we do not follow the lead of our candidates and move on unless there are some in the Sanders would rather have the access removed.

TSIAS

(14,689 posts)
19. December 18, 2015
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:32 PM
Dec 2015

The day the Democratic Party died. It was like the day Buddy Holly's plane crashed, John Lennon was shot, and the Challenger exploded all rolled into one.

The candidates may have moved on, but the supporters of each candidate will remember this event until the day they die.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
42. I think they are trying to put it in perspective by pointing out that it's not like that at all
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:28 AM
Dec 2015

It's too over the top to be serious.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
21. K and R
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 10:53 PM
Dec 2015

Glad Bernie and Hillary handled that situation like adults last night. Good job by both of them.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
24. Why? Because Haters of Hillary gonna Hate
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 11:36 PM
Dec 2015

And Hillary defenders are going to roll their eyes at the nutball haters and liars, that's why.

DU isn't the real world. Plenty of Bernie regular supporters have have a sense of decency (and logic).

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
32. Here is how the logic works on this case:
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:23 AM
Dec 2015

The DNC contracted with a vendor to manage databases of the candidates for the Democratic nomination for president in 2016.

We can assume that one of the duties expressed or implied in the vendor's contract was to secure the information of each campaign from the other campaigns.

In October and again recently, the vendor failed to secure Hillary' s campaign's information, possibly by weakening or shutting down a firewall that set Hillary's data apart from the information, the data, of Bernie Sanders' campaign.

The Sanders' campaign discovered the breach. In October, they were concerned that Sanders' data had also been breached and that access to Sanders' data had been allowed to one or more of the other campaigns. (Based on a video of a press conference by Bernie's campaign manager.)

Again, recently, the Sanders' campaign discovered that it had, due to a failure by the vendor to secure Hillary's data, obtained access to that data. Sanders' employees ran queries that tested the data to which they had access for data that belonged to Hillary's campaign, and the tests were positive. Hillary's information was available to Bernie's campaign.

Upon learning of this, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, before completing an objective test of the security on the data and before giving Bernie's campaign adequate opportunity to respond to requests for data or information, and perhaps without having properly asked Bernie's campaign for the information, went to the press screaming that Bernie's campaign had accessed Hillary's data (via access provided apparently, necessarily by the vendor's failure to adequately secure it) and that Bernie would be refused access to his own campaign's data as a result. Bernie's campaign has been damaged by the DNC's refusal to allow Bernie to access his database for a certain period of time at this crucial stage in the campaign.

Bernie filed a lawsuit for an injunction requiring the DNC and its vendor to allow Bernie access to his own data.

I assume that some sort of arrangement, some sort of partial settlement that required Bernie to provide information regarding the breach of the firewall and the queries his campaign made and perhaps other information was made, and the DNC and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz backed down and is allowing Bernie access to his own material. This is my guess.

Based on my experience, I suspect that as a part of that agreement, Bernie was required to apologize openly to Hilary for any breach. This is just my guess, but Bernie apologized during the debate.

In my opinion, the DNC and its vendor and possibly others need to apologize for the fact of the breach of the security measures that were supposed to have been taken by the vendor. It is nearly impossible for me to believe that Bernie Sanders' campaign would have had any contractual or other duty to protect Hillary's campaign database. Bernie is noted for his honorable conduct, but to expect Bernie's campaign to identify and separate Hillary's data from his own when they were apparently both made available to him would require him to do the very queries of the database that it appears that his campaign made. Thus, in my opinion, not knowing more than others not directly involved in the situation, the duty that was breached was on the part of the DNC's vendor or possibly the DNC itself. I seriously doubt that Bernie had any contractual duty to protect the security of Hillary's data. I can't understand how that would even work without Bernie's first querying all the data he had and identifying the data of Hillary -- which is, from what little I know about the situation, what his staff did.

Hopefully, an INDEPENDENT review of the vendor's security and firewall systems and of any access by any campaign to the information in another campaign's database will be conducted as soon and as openly as possible.

We Bernie supporters view the DNC as so biased in favor of Hillary that we question whether this was perhaps to some extent, whether conscious or not, intended to harm Bernie's campaign. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz has close ties to Hillary as do some of the employees in the DNC's vendor for the databases.

Further, the DNC's conduct in other respects has, in the view of many Bernie supporters, been detrimental to the campaigns of all candidates other than Hillary. For example, scheduling the third of only six debates on the Saturday night, a party night across the nation, before Christmas insured a very lower viewer base.

In addition, requiring that candidates who participate in the six official debates may not debate other than in those debates is a travesty of the democratic process.

As a Bernie supporter, I wish to have a full investigation of the relationship between the DNC, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and the Hillary campaign.

The DNC led by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz appears in my view to have no intention of allowing any candidate other than Hillary to win the nomination.

These are the facts as I understand them based on what I have read. I think that we Bernie supporters have a lot to be angry about. This primary process is a travesty.

I think that Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is losing a lot of Democratic voters. I for one have stated all along that I will vote for all Democrats on my ballot, but NOT FOR HILLARY.

The DNC acts very much like a machine that wants to control the outcome of the primary process.

I wish Bernie luck in his lawsuit. We Democrats deserve to know the whole truth about the functioning of our Democratic Party. It appears that since at least 1992, our Party has strayed from representing the working people of America. We need to get back on track. Bernie's movement includes all of us who want reform within the Democratic Party and our country.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
38. Here's how it REALLY worked...
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:37 AM
Dec 2015
An Explanation of What Bernie Sanders Staffers Actually Did and Why It Matters

Read It All, including the link.

The bottom line is this: the people working for Sanders took advantage of a security breach they shouldn't have. Period.

In terms of the six debates, there are only three between the Democratic candidate and the Republican candidate. So if Senator Sanders can't make his case in less than six, then he's completely hopeless. Do you know anyone who can't make up their mind after watching six debates?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
44. What Bernie staffers did is not so important.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:34 AM
Dec 2015

What the vendor did or did not do is.

The vendor had the duty to protect the various candidates' data.

Bernie's employees were given access to the data by the vendor.

The vendor breached its duty to protect the information.

I saw a list of the searches that Bernie's staff did. They could have been searches to determine the extent of the Hillary data on the database they were accessing.

A full and independent review including full discovery of e-mails exchanged between the DNC and the vendor and between members of Bernie's staff and the DNC and among all those discreet groups is needed.

As a Bernie supporter, I am very suspicious of Hillary's staff's and the DNC's motives because this is not an isolated incident in terms of tilting the rules and the procedures and events in favor of Hillary's campaign.

Further, Hillary looked TO ME -- subjectively -- like she was lying when talking about this matter in the debate. That's my subjective judgment.

At any rate, these events and the DNC's handling of them, have further and seriously alienated a lot of Democrats like me who support Bernie.

All else considered, the Democratic Party cannot afford to offend as many strong, loyal Democrats as the current DNC management is doing.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz should resign and an independent inquiry into this matter with special focus on the relationship between Hillary's campaign, this vendor and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz should take place.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
45. I fully agree it doesn't reflect poorly on Sanders himself
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:01 AM
Dec 2015

He did the most honorable thing possible, given what his staff had done.

(of course, if the shoe was on the other foot, we all know what the frothing-at-the-mouth haters of Hillary and Democrats would be saying about her, but that again has nothing to do with the good Senator himself, or my evaluation of him)


This was clearly temporary bug that happened during maintenance. And the Sanders staffers were clearly taking advantage of it. As was explained, quite clearly in the article I provided.

The reason why "saving a list" vs "saving a search" is important, is that once you save a list, you still have access to the copy of the data you made, even if access to the original was revoked. There is no possible way that was innocent. It is clear that they thought that the bug might be fixed, but didn't expect anyone would review any queries made during that period of time. And if such checking hadn't happened, if they hadn't been caught, they would have had copies of critical Clinton campaign intel under their own permissions.

I am willing to admit the possibility that DWS is somehow sandbagging for Hillary. But if so, I just haven't seen it in anything she's actually done. We've gone through three debates so far and Hillary is holding her own for those people who bother to tune in, so it's not as if somehow making people slog through a dozen or so (with basically no one other than partisans watching listening), would make much of a difference.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
46. We need an independent and very thorough investigation including depositions and
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 02:11 AM
Dec 2015

document requests -- the works.

Saving a list and saving a search can permit the party doing it to later prove that there was a breach. It is not necessarily the case that the list and search were saved in order to later use the data for a nefarious purpose.

There was a prior breach in October. The DNC should have required the vendor to prevent future breaches. The lists and searches that were saved serve as proof that the October breach was not the last, that the vendor did not resolve or correct the problem that occurred.

With an independent investigation, the motivations of the parties concerned can perhaps be better determined.

The vendor had an express or implied duty to maintain the firewall so that no campaign could ever obtain information from the database of another candidate. That was not the duty or responsibility of Bernie's campaign.

That is why Hillary and the DNC use the word "ethical" and not the word "duty." If Bernie's campaign had a duty to maintain the security of Hillary's information when revealed to it, then Hillary and the DNC would be suing Bernie's campaign in the first instance. Even if they countersue, it will be an afterthought especially since Hillary has had no damage from the incident while Bernie has been damaged by it.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
28. I am still gobsmacked that there are people burning calories still trying to pin this on Clinton
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:13 AM
Dec 2015

The new BS is "Hillary's Hand picked IT department ALLOWED the server to be hacked twice." It's times like this that makes you wonder how anyone that could spout such nonsense and ignorance could expect for anyone to take them or their opinion seriously.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
33. I think I can answer your question.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:24 AM
Dec 2015

The DNC contracted with a vendor to manage databases of the candidates for the Democratic nomination for president in 2016.

We can assume that one of the duties expressed or implied in the vendor's contract was to secure the information of each campaign from the other campaigns.

In October and again recently, the vendor failed to secure Hillary' s campaign's information, possibly by weakening or shutting down a firewall that set Hillary's data apart from the information, the data, of Bernie Sanders' campaign.

The Sanders' campaign discovered the breach. In October, they were concerned that Sanders' data had also been breached and that access to Sanders' data had been allowed to one or more of the other campaigns. (Based on a video of a press conference by Bernie's campaign manager.)

Again, recently, the Sanders' campaign discovered that it had, due to a failure by the vendor to secure Hillary's data, obtained access to that data. Sanders' employees ran queries that tested the data to which they had access for data that belonged to Hillary's campaign, and the tests were positive. Hillary's information was available to Bernie's campaign.

Upon learning of this, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, before completing an objective test of the security on the data and before giving Bernie's campaign adequate opportunity to respond to requests for data or information, and perhaps without having properly asked Bernie's campaign for the information, went to the press screaming that Bernie's campaign had accessed Hillary's data (via access provided apparently, necessarily by the vendor's failure to adequately secure it) and that Bernie would be refused access to his own campaign's data as a result. Bernie's campaign has been damaged by the DNC's refusal to allow Bernie to access his database for a certain period of time at this crucial stage in the campaign.

Bernie filed a lawsuit for an injunction requiring the DNC and its vendor to allow Bernie access to his own data.

I assume that some sort of arrangement, some sort of partial settlement that required Bernie to provide information regarding the breach of the firewall and the queries his campaign made and perhaps other information was made, and the DNC and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz backed down and is allowing Bernie access to his own material. This is my guess.

Based on my experience, I suspect that as a part of that agreement, Bernie was required to apologize openly to Hilary for any breach. This is just my guess, but Bernie apologized during the debate.

In my opinion, the DNC and its vendor and possibly others need to apologize for the fact of the breach of the security measures that were supposed to have been taken by the vendor. It is nearly impossible for me to believe that Bernie Sanders' campaign would have had any contractual or other duty to protect Hillary's campaign database. Bernie is noted for his honorable conduct, but to expect Bernie's campaign to identify and separate Hillary's data from his own when they were apparently both made available to him would require him to do the very queries of the database that it appears that his campaign made. Thus, in my opinion, not knowing more than others not directly involved in the situation, the duty that was breached was on the part of the DNC's vendor or possibly the DNC itself. I seriously doubt that Bernie had any contractual duty to protect the security of Hillary's data. I can't understand how that would even work without Bernie's first querying all the data he had and identifying the data of Hillary -- which is, from what little I know about the situation, what his staff did.

Hopefully, an INDEPENDENT review of the vendor's security and firewall systems and of any access by any campaign to the information in another campaign's database will be conducted as soon and as openly as possible.

We Bernie supporters view the DNC as so biased in favor of Hillary that we question whether this was perhaps to some extent, whether conscious or not, intended to harm Bernie's campaign. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz has close ties to Hillary as do some of the employees in the DNC's vendor for the databases.

Further, the DNC's conduct in other respects has, in the view of many Bernie supporters, been detrimental to the campaigns of all candidates other than Hillary. For example, scheduling the third of only six debates on the Saturday night, a party night across the nation, before Christmas insured a very lower viewer base.

In addition, requiring that candidates who participate in the six official debates may not debate other than in those debates is a travesty of the democratic process.

As a Bernie supporter, I wish to have a full investigation of the relationship between the DNC, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and the Hillary campaign.

The DNC led by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz appears in my view to have no intention of allowing any candidate other than Hillary to win the nomination.

These are the facts as I understand them based on what I have read. I think that we Bernie supporters have a lot to be angry about. This primary process is a travesty.

I think that Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is losing a lot of Democratic voters. I for one have stated all along that I will vote for all Democrats on my ballot, but NOT FOR HILLARY.

The DNC acts very much like a machine that wants to control the outcome of the primary process.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
54. LOL!
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 09:36 AM
Dec 2015


This one-obsession-after-another is not healthy for people's state of mind.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
35. It's a side effect of the 'anti-establishment' mindset
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:35 AM
Dec 2015


I understand how people of a certain mindset feel like they are underdogs where seemingly everybody in power is against them, but ...

"When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail"

Number23

(24,544 posts)
39. I agree. But when you are so "anti establishment" you would rather blame everything and everybody
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 12:38 AM
Dec 2015

for something that you or your friend CLEARLY did, it's time to do some deep, intense self-reflecting.

That's not anti-establishment. That's just anti-reality.

 

maggies farm

(79 posts)
40. It wasn't a matter of hacking
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:24 AM
Dec 2015

This appears to be an issue of permission tables for database queries.

The Sanders team did not HACK into the permission table.

The question will be was it something that allowed other campaigns to make queries? Was it at other times as well?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
41. The investigation is still ongoing and there's really no telling what else will be discoverd
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:28 AM
Dec 2015

Calling what happened a "hack" is just the latest sad attempt to excuse some incredibly bad behavior and piss poor judgement. And it's compounded by the statement that it was "Hillary's hand picked IT department" and they "ALLOWED" the breach to happen. It's beyond absurd.

BlueCheese

(2,522 posts)
43. What I really don't understand is Sanders supporters still keeping this alive.
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 01:31 AM
Dec 2015

Sanders' campaign staffers did something extremely unethical, and were caught. One has been fired, and two more were suspended. Sanders himself has apologized for their behavior.

You'd think his supporters would be breathing a sigh of relief that what could have been a weeks-long cloud has dissipated-- with the help of Clinton, who prominently said it shouldn't be an issue.

And they still want to say they're the victims here?

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
52. It's not about the candidates. It's about DWS
Mon Dec 21, 2015, 07:45 AM
Dec 2015

running the DNC as a defacto campaign arm and strategist organization for one of the primary candidates.

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