THIS.

[Triana]

DON'T BE STUPID.

[Old Codger]

1. absolutely

Correct...

[Shrike47]

2. Yep. I will vote for whoever we nominate, as I have for decades.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

140. I will run, not walk, to the polls to vote for the nominee.

[rnk6670]

148. Not a good thing to brag about

They don't need to earn your vote they own it. So why bother serving your needs as a citizen.

[Towlie]

157. In the primary I'll vote "for", in the election I'll vote "against."

[Gothmog]

3. I will support the Democratic Nominee no matter what

[Buzz Clik]

4. It's important that we separate the candidates from their supporters.

Here at DU, both groups despise each other, it seems.

[Vattel]

8. I agree, but it is interesting to me how difficult that is to do.

The incredible dishonesty of many prolific Clinton supporters at DU actually will make it really hard for me to support Clinton in the general. It doesn't help that she is very dishonest too.

[Buzz Clik]

10. How do you view your fellow travelers?

The endless insults, the divisiveness, the group-think?

It's hard to take.

Gratefully, I view Bernie favorably and write them off as simply misguided.

[Vattel]

11. I find most of the prolific Sanders supporters to be

vastly more honest and decent than their counterparts who support Clinton.

[Buzz Clik]

14. Ok.

We have different experiences.

[Warren DeMontague]

13. Endless insults suck.

But what do i know, Im just a brogressive, rand paul loving, purple shirt wearing, misogynist, white trash racist sanders supporter who wants a pony.

[Buzz Clik]

15. Don't forget gun-toting.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. The only thing I tote is my little dog

[Buzz Clik]

18. Ok ... "And your little dog, too!"

[Karma13612]

41. I carry a Bernie Sanders tote

so I can Schlep the progressive agenda.

It is the tote I take to/from work every day.

Not sure if the store carries them anymore but I just love it.

Cute little dog!!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

20. But we don't have to support her - I certainly don't.

But we need to suck it up and vote for the Dem nominee, whoever that may be. Just vote straight party, and avoid the thought completely.

[world wide wally]

73. You have the absolute right to vote Republican if that is where your head is

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

81. You didn't read the whole post - just the title.

[tazkcmo]

99. It's not her supporters

It's her.

[AlbertCat]

34. both groups despise each other, it seems.

Not really. It's not an equal equation.

One group criticizes the candidate more than the supporters of the candidate.

And one group criticizes the supporters of the candidate more than the candidate.

[Buzz Clik]

35. I was trying to be balanced but agree that Sanders's supporters at DU are intolerable.

[AlbertCat]

39. Sanders's supporters at DU are intolerable.

See...

One group has no tolerance for a mass of people they lump together.

And one group just doesn't like the other candidate.

[Buzz Clik]

44. I like Bernie just fine. I have more reservations about Clinton. Sorry, but you misinterpreted

[A Simple Game]

45. One minute and someone proves your theory, not a record but damn good. n/t

[John Poet]

61. I take exception.

See, I dislike (a great many of) Hillary's supporters on DU even more than I dislike her.

If this whole thing is already decided, as they continuously proclaim,
then they should just shut the hell up and let it happen.

[Cali_Democrat]

5. K&R

[RoccoR5955]

6. Maybe in your state

but here in NY, the Democratic candidate will surely win. I am therefore debating as to whether or not to just not vote for President in that election. I shall vote for other offices, provided that they are not unopposed (I never vote for someone who runs unopposed), but if the candidate is Clinton, I may just vote "none of the above."

[MiniMe]

9. That is how we got Reagan

I'm not willing to take that chance

[eggplant]

19. In NY? I don't think so.

Obama took the state by over two million votes.

Quite a few people can choose to take a pass here without any risk to our side.

[cprise]

137. Non-swing state: Agreed. But vote no matter what!

When people don't see acceptable candidates on their ballots, they need to lodge protest votes. Write-in anyone else's name.

In non-swing states, this is a no-brainer.

The establishment runs on the pretense that non-voters 'approve' of either candidate. Not voting becomes a fig leaf for their special brand of insanity.

[eggplant]

138. Oh, I'll definitely vote. Downticket is important.

And as for write-ins, I wrote in Zephyr Teachout for governor rather than vote for Cuomo.

[RoccoR5955]

21. No.

You don't understand, do you? NY is a deep blue state. The Democratic candidate, whoever it is, SHALL win NY. If I lived in Ohio, or Florida, I would not even think. I would hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils AGAIN. But because NY will assuredly go for the Democratic candidate, I see no reason to vote on that line, if I do not support any candidate running.

[baldguy]

26. .

history ... condemned ... repeat it

[RoccoR5955]

49. That was a long time ago

And whole different circumstance than it is today.

[Jakes Progress]

143. A limited view.

Yes. That was a different time. Today is a different time too. You can't have it both ways.

[mdbl]

149. The country was so sick

so sick they thought reagan was a great guy and a good president.

[MiniMe]

28. I understand that NY is deeply blue, but Reagan won NY 2 times

In 1980, Carter won DC, Maryland, Georgia, Hawaii, Minnesota, Rhode Island, and West Virginia. In 1984, Reagan won all states except for Minnesota and DC.

[AlbertCat]

42. It's not the '80's

And we have all now seen what happens when you vote in bad actors.


Reagan was the 1st PR know-nothing president hoisted upon us by the GOP thru fear and the threat of not being able to be complacent anymore.

Bush was PR president 2.0


Makes quite a difference after having two unfit tools for president.

[MiniMe]

47. I'm not taking any chances.

I won't sit out this election, even if my preferred democratic candidate is not the nominee

[RoccoR5955]

52. I never said that I was sitting out the electioin.

Go back and read my post. I said that because NY will elect the Democratic candidate, whoever it is, I will not vote on the presidential line. I shall however vote in any race that is not unopposed. That includes Congress, Senate, both state and federal, as well as county and town elections. I also find it high time to face the fact that if Clinton is the nominee, the Oligarchy has won, and it will NEVER matter what party I vote for, they will both be the same.

[cstanleytech]

78. The oligarchy will only truly win if you let it and refuse to actually vote

for president and yea, Clinton isnt perfect but nor is Bernie but either one of them would be a vast improvement over every single Republican that is running for the office.

[Skidmore]

59. Thank you

for the wisest response on this thread.

[pnwmom]

25. The same people who made George Pataki a two-term Governor could help elect a GOP President.

There is no such thing as a safe Presidential vote in New York.

[RoccoR5955]

50. Yeah, the RepubliCONs

Patak had a large area in the Westchester/Putnam counties that actually gave him the election, and he is from that area.

[StevieM]

83. Pataki was governor of New York for three terms. (eom)

[Karma13612]

43. NY here as well. I am pretty sure the state will go for Hillary in the Primaries.

I am voting for Bernie all the way.

If the candidate is Hillary after the convention, I will vote for her in November in the general. I am not taking any chances. The repubs are not going to leave any stones unturned in their quest to 'retake' the White House.

I found a voting irregularity when I voted this last time. I live in a red area and will not allow the repubs to get any votes for free. If I don't vote for our Dem Candidate, I might as well be giving the repubs a vote for free.

If we all think as you are suggesting we could hand NY State to the republicans.

Not on my watch.

[RoccoR5955]

48. I didn't say that I was not going to vote at all

I said that I was not going to vote on that line because NY will go for Clinton. If things change, or it seems like NY is a battleground state, I will have to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils once again.
I live in a purple area of NY, and yeah, the Cons here play a lot of dirty tricks, and cause close local elections, but I have an in with the Democratic Party here. I have been working the polls here for all of the 25 years that I have lived in this town. And my activism goes way further back than that. Try the 60s. I know what is at stake, and I do not plan on in any way giving the state to the Cons.

If you are pretty sure that Clinton will win the primary in NY, you haven't spoken to folks in the North Country, or for that matter the young folks. They like Sanders over Clinton all over the state, with the exception of Buffalo, and that doesn't include the young voters.

And as far as the Cons leaving no stone unturned, in elections since the 90s, the Cons have written off the northeast, in favor of the south, as more people are moving there, and there are more electoral votes in Texass now than there are in NY.

I have analyzed this thoroughly, and see what my options are.

So forget it if a Con gets in the White House, I am already working on getting my EU citizenship, so I can move over there for my retirement. This may hold true if Clinton is in for more than one term as well. Time will tell.

[pnwmom]

53. NY is ALWAYS a battleground state. That's why you had two-term George Pataki.

[RoccoR5955]

54. Read comment 50

You will find out how and why Patak won those two elections.

Bush Jr. never campaigned here. Romborg never campaigned here. Mc Ancient never campaigned here. (well maybe they had a dinner with the NYC conservatives but that is not really campaigning to me.) And don't ask me if I EVER saw Bob Dole here for anything but porn.

[pnwmom]

57. That doesn't mean no GOPer will ever campaign there. There will be somebody

analyzing the data for the GOP campaign, trying to figure out how Pataki took the state.

[RoccoR5955]

58. I HAVE analyzed the Patak campaign,

and know how he won. I mentioned it in my previous comment.
Sheesh. Don't people read?

[pnwmom]

86. And those same people are there, and they still can vote. Don't people do math? n/t

[RoccoR5955]

87. They are not voting for Patak.

Oh well, it does no good explaining this stuff to some folks.

[pnwmom]

88. They could very well vote for Trump. Lots of Republican areas like him. n/t

[RoccoR5955]

89. Not in Westchester/Putnam my friend.

They have had it with him stealing their property to build a golf course that never got built.

[mdbl]

150. The repubs are not going to leave any stones unturned in their quest to 'retake' the White House.

Which is why I worry about Hillary being the candidate. She has a good backbone but that won't stop the repuglican hate machines from bashing her until the electorate is worn down again. It will get real ugly for her.

[Smarmie Doofus]

7. THAT. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

12. I agree, but we will have plenty of time to have that conversation once we have a nominee.

In the meantime, people are going to be passionate, and demanding loyalty pledges etc. 11 months out is pointless.

[Karma13612]

36. Completely agree.

Stop with the loyalty pledges.

But, we gotta admit this is a very clever diary.

[mcar]

16. Well said!

[valerief]

22. The posters that say that crap are just trolling. nt

[baldguy]

27. Like Manny?

[RoccoR5955]

55. LIKE MANNY!!!!! n/t

[valerief]

63. Manny's a wise guy. Everything he says you take with a grain of salt.

The humorless ones are the trolls.

[Puglover]

155. You are 100 percent

spot on!

[Bubzer]

74. Manny never said that. Feel free to prove me wrong by showing the post where he said that.

[baldguy]

90. What Manny did was worse:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251916239

I'm voting Bernie in the general election, no matter what happens in the primary; no more "who the fuck else ya gonna vote for, suckers?!!" from that crowd of bloodsuckers and swine. I'm tired of having my life served up to the highest bidder and you should be, too.

Vote Bernie next November!

And please make note of Skinner's thoughts on the subject:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1259&pid=9267

[Pharaoh]

23. Right

but the playing field needs to be level It's not.

[pnwmom]

24. Electing any Rethug will make it even more crooked. nt

[underthematrix]

29. In the general election, I'm voting for whoever wins the DEM nomination

For the primary, we're voting for Hillary Clinton. And by we, I mean my family; husband, sister, nephew, cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. I think Hillary Clinton did a great job with the debate's foreign policy discussion. I loved her very direct confrontation of the GOP's NAZI problem. I loved that she reminded the audience and viewers that the war is not between her and her fellow Democrat contenders. It is between America and the GOP, who wants to take us backward and undo all the progress that's been made. There was this other thing HRC did that I truly loved. It was priceless. They asked HRC how she would involve her spouse, former President Bill Clinton. She said she would tap into his skills on economic policy. Then she said, for the WIN. "But I'll still select the china and flowers. She was telling women, I can set the policy table and the dinner table cause that's how WE roll. Definitely one of my favorite moments. And I loved her overall demeanor; warm, respectful, humorous and presidential.

Do I think the nominee will be Clinton. Unlike 3 months ago when I was sure it would be her, I can honestly say I don't know. But I will do my part to help make it happen. If my primary candidate doesn't win, I'm still voting for the 2016 DEM presidential nominee cause I understand this is not about how I feel. This is about the heart and soul of America and the values and policies that make us America.

[Andy823]

30. You are 100% correct.

I have no problem with anyone supporting their candidate, that's the way it's supposed to be. But come the general election it's not about which democrat to chose anymore, it's about making sure none of the GOP clowns get into the WH. Not voting helps republicans, and republicans know if democrats get out and vote they lose.

[underthematrix]

33. AMEN!!!

[Kath1]

31. I'll be voting Democrat no matter what.

Don't want a Republican anywhere near the White House.

[Karma13612]

32. OK. This was good. You nailed it! BUT:

I also encourage everyone to keep campaigning for their own favored candidate thru the primaries.

When we finish the convention with a nominee, then we all get behind the nominee.

That is my plan.

I hope others will join me!

Great diary!

[underthematrix]

38. Yes. Yes. Yes. I agree keep supporting your

primary then when it's time for the convention, we pull together behind whoever is the nominee.

[EdwardBernays]

37. Meh

If Trump was the DNC nominee I wouldn't vote for him.

At some point you have to say the lesser of two evils is still evil.

[Karma13612]

46. Gosh, that would be a nightmare.

My candidate is Bernie Sanders.

If HRC is the nominee, I will be go to the voting location quietly, carrying a tissue and a straight face. I will do my duty and keep chanting "SCOTUS".

Will I be happy?
Nope

But you can bet I won't stay home and give the republicans a free vote.

[EdwardBernays]

60. Here's the thing

Imagine you love in a tiny town with one restaurant. That restaurant sucks. Maybe even poisons people on the odd occasion.

Will you go there and support it, to ensure you won't lose access to your one shitty restaurant?

Or will you vote with your feet, not support it and hope the owners make it better or it closes and something better is built in its place.

Personally I see no value in supporting shit any more.

Where do you think it's gotten America as a country? Has the endless voting out of fear accomplished your goals?

I've lived in a fee other countries and I can tell you this whole voting out of terror that Americans do every election is not common in Europe. People tend to vote for who they're passionate about and guess what: the outcome is MUCH better.

Vote for shit if you want, but I refuse to be bullied into that any more.

[Karma13612]

85. I do FULLY understand. Really, I do.

BUT,

While you MAY have more time to turn around the next 10-15 years of a republican led America, I don't.

If a republican is elected, then they will make sure and ruin all our safety nets and put us into more wars to feed the monkey on their backs (MIC).

They will lie and crap all over the 99%.

Although I consider Hillary as Republican lite, and I am going to cry in the voting booth if I have to vote for her as our nominee, I will do it because of the alternative.

I know exactly what you are saying. But, my retirement is in 4 years.

If the repubs get into office, they will ruin it.

With Hillary, I won't sleep at night because she wants a lot of what the repubs want, but I think she will select better SCOTUS judges. Other than that, I think they are the same.

I want Bernie and that is all I am concentrating on right now.

Great to hear your explanation. Have a super Holiday!

[Gidney N Cloyd]

40. THIS +1000

[Laffy Kat]

51. Let's keep kicking this.

It is soooo important for our country.

[ecstatic]

56. The ratio of Bernie supporters who say that versus Clinton supporters

saying that is like 100 to 1, isn't it?

[Triana]

64. No idea. I know I will vote for the DEM nominee whoever it is. n/t

[liberalnarb]

62. Great! Way to go!

my thoughts exactly! Not voting is a vote for the repukes!

[TygrBright]

65. Exactly. n/t

[SCantiGOP]

66. kick this I will

[Indepatriot]

67. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[AZ Progressive]

68. Paul Weyrich (co-founder of the Heritage foundation) basically said how the RW wins

[dpatbrown]

69. Perfect!

[bl968]

70. I am going nuclear

I will not vote for Hillary, and I have said this all along, and I mean it. Hillary has been counting on the sentiment expressed in this post, that in the end people will vote for her the lesser of two evils. Well my friend that's still voting for evil. It's not happening for me and it's not happening for a lot of others.

In the event the Democratic Party and the Corporate Media's blatant manipulation of the nomination process succeeds, We will either write in our candidate or we will simply stay home. So if you don't wanna risk handing this election to the right then don't support Clinton.

[Tarc]

72. You do not belong on this forum, then

[bl968]

75. You shouldn't let your ideology blind you to political realities.

Being a Democrat doesn't mean blindly supporting the party's choice candidate, I believe that is Communism or Fascism.

In a democracy you listen to all voices. I offered mine, you are free to ignore it. But you do so at your own peril, because I represent the voice and the opinions of a lot of like minded Americans.

I have voted Democrat in a lot of elections and for you to say that because I will not support Hillary Clinton that I am not a Democrat and do not belong here is to put it flatly, imbecilic.

When this country was founded some wanted a king, some wanted titles of nobility. We chose not to do so, and I continue to honor that choice.

We had Bush Sr, and Shrub, now they want Jeb
We've had Bill, now they want Hillary, next it will be Chelsea.

Enough!

We have 300,000,000 Americans in this country for us to allow the presidency to be passed between 2 or 3 political dynasties simply because they bear the appropriate family name harms our country. It inhibits our nations social and political progress.

[baldguy]

98. Political realities.

It's a political reality that the Democratic Party and its nominee - no matter who it is - will be light years better for the people and for the country than anything any Republican or any third party candidate can offer.

It's a political reality that taking support away from the Democratic candidate - whoever it may be - will only favor the Republican candidate. (The OPs point, I believe.)

It's a political reality that the Democratic Party tends to support people and groups that have been working for and with the party for decades to get its candidates elected in all levels of govt, and in return will support the concerns & issues of those people and groups.

It's also a political reality that the Democratic Party will not offer the same level of attention & concern to people and groups that come into the party new, have only one issue, will support only one candidate for only one office, and not only threaten to leave the party if their candidate doesn't win, but will sabotage the campaign of the successful Democratic candidate.

That last one is the real totalitarian, anti-democratic tactic. And it seems to be popular only among those on the Right, and those supposedly on the Left, who both just happen to hate all things Clinton.

Hillary will win the nomination and the general election, not because it's just her turn to get coronated, but because she has the experience & temperament for the job, shares the concerns of the majority of Americans, has the ability to get things done for them, and has been working for it for more than 35 years.

[RoccoR5955]

134. You do realize that

Light years is a measure of distance, not time, or anything else, don't you?
Just not sure of your message, because of what many people think light years are.

[Jakes Progress]

141. You do not understand political realities.

But then, perhaps you have a nice trust fund and a secure job, a paid off home, no minority friends, and employer-paid insurance.

If those things do not apply, then your position is, to put it flatly, imbecilic.

Concentrate on your state and local elections. Put in the time and money to see that a Democratic president will have a liberal support base in the state and national legislatures. Neither Hillary nor Bernie can do anything without it. A liberal support base will push either away from their more rightward leanings (yes, Bernie has them too).

Don't buy the republican game plan.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

71. Sad sad sad truth - and it hurts that they know it

damn

[randys1]

76. GOod one, but put Cruz's face there if you really want to scare people.

Problem is Rubio is just as vile as the other two but nobody really knows that.

[ThePhilosopher04]

77. So be it.

I will not vote for Hillary Clinton under any circumstances. If she wants my vote, she has to earn it. I don't do Republican light.

[iandhr]

106. People like you gave us Bush 43.

Because they thought Gore was the same. Nice to see you haven't learned your lesson.

[aikoaiko]

107. And the jury results are in....

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[Jakes Progress]

142. So you will support republican heavy?

[Vincardog]

79. See how well that BS meme has worked in the last 3 election cyles? well keep on spinning

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[iandhr]

104. People didn't vote.

Because they were too stupid to see the difference.

[Vincardog]

108. You can't blame the voters because the candidates refuse to offer a CLEAR DEMOCRATIC alternative.

Thanks Third way. Your mission has been successful.

[iandhr]

109. I moved to Wisconsin to work for Mary Burke

Are you saying there was no clear difference? Do tell.

[Vincardog]

110. I am in Iowa, our choices are usaually between a real rw nut job Republican and a wishy washy

Conserva-Dem.

[iandhr]

111. So ideological purity it is. Got it.

[Vincardog]

112. If the choice is between RW nut job and RW moderate we are offered no real choice. Call

It ideology purity if you want, I find that simple minded and dismissive.

[iandhr]

113. I rejet your assertion that Dems are right wing moderates.

I find that attitude as simple minded.

[Vincardog]

116. The Democrats I have been offered in IA are RW moderates. HRC is. I never said ALL Democrats are.

Bernie does not fall in with them. I do not agree with the words you want to put in my mouth.

[iandhr]

117. HRC is not a right wing moderate

She is a center left pragmatist.


Pro choice, pro marriage equality, supports rasing the minimum wage, equal pay for equal work etc.


Even if Berine won people like you would trim on him in two seconds if he compromised to get something done

This is what you remind me of.

https://m.

[Vincardog]

119. Where is She on re-regulating the Banksters? On ending the incessant unnecessary wars of aggression?

Where is she on:
FREE Education for all?
Medicare for all?
Getting SCOTUS judges to overturn Citizen United?
Ending private prisons for profit?
Reigning in drug prices?
Regulating the FRACKING industry?
Regulating the NSA?
Ending TPP?

On every point she agrees with the RW nutz of the GOP.

She can not softly support a few social issues and convince me she is a Democrat.

[iandhr]

120. On bank regulation

Paul Kurgman agrees with her plan for Wall Street.

On education do you to pay for Donald Trump's kids



Berine's healthcare plann would give way to much say to Republican governors who are anti choice though I am not against it in theory: (Maybe adding a public option to the ACA is a good idea)

She does support overturning citzends untied

Plan on drugs

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/09/21/hillary-clinton-plan-for-lowering-prescription-drug-costs/

She stopped taking donations from private prisons

She came out against the TPP. (Granted that might have been politically expedient but Berine has done similar stuff on guns)


Here is something on fracking

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/hillary-clinton-fracking_55a7fdc8e4b04740a3df4b75

[dana_b]

128. I wish I could rec this

However maybe those views ARE now the Dem party now and we are not really "Dems" anymore. Bernie is an outlier. I only JUST re-registered as a Dem so that I could vote for him. If he doesnt win, I'll go back to independent.

Oops! I actually meant this to be a response to your response here. Anyway, I hope you understand.

[Vincardog]

131. I think Bernie is a Democrat as I am. I don't believe that the corporatists who have staged a coup

Are Democrats any more than they are liberals. A pox on them.

[stage left]

80. K&R

I will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee because whoever he/she may be, he/she will be miles above whoever the Republicans nominate. The day a Republican reflects my personal political values more closely than a Democrat,then I will vote for him/her. I don't expect that to ever happen.

[Maedhros]

82. I will absolutely vote!

I will vote for the candidate that best represents my interests. If it's a Democrat, then great! If not, then so be it.

If a Democratic Candidate wants my vote, then that candidate will have to earn it.

[iandhr]

105. It's not in your interests to keep the ACA, a woman's right to choose, raise the minimum wage...

... marriage equality?

[PatrynXX]

84. writing in.... n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

91. Bernie supporters are activists.

Activists ALWAYS vote. Just maybe not for corporate shills, but they vote.

[Live and Learn]

95. +1000 nt

[MrScorpio]

92. Damn Skippy! nt

[the_phantom_dennis]

93. ^THAT^

Stupidity Prevails When Smart People Start Acting Dumb! I will vote for Hillary Clinton in November. Or Bernie Sanders in November. Or Martin O'Malley in November. Or Al fucking Gore in November!

Remember when Bitch McConnell said that the GOP's #1 priority was to deprive Obama of a second term? (Didn't work out so well, now did it, tortoise?) Well, our #1 priority over the next 11 months is to deprive any of these Republiclowns of ANY TERM whatsoever!

[Triana]

101. +1 n/t

[liberal_at_heart]

94. sorry not taking the bait. We're only allowed to talk about who we would vote for if

we vote for who we're told to vote for.

[Live and Learn]

96. I think Trump would be thanking Hillary, DWS and a lot of Hillary supporters. nt

[Stellar]

97. 2008 all over again...

The Pumas/Clintonestas said they wouldn't vote if Obama won. Obama's peeps said they would Never vote for Hillary. Oh well...

[tartan2]

100. I will be voting for Bernie

in my state's primary and hopefully he will win the nomination and if he doesn't then my vote will go to Hillary not because of Hillary but because Hillary's has Bill!!!

[BlueMTexpat]

102. Thanks, Triana! This nails it. eom

[Jean Genie]

103. Bandwagon jumpers

Couldn't possibly be that after listening, reading, observing what each candidate says/represents, some of us can't in good conscience vote for the anointed candidate? Must we, lemming-like, jump on the bandwagon of the "chosen one," regardless of our concerns about said person. Sorry, can't do that, and if that makes me stupid (according to all you lemmings), then so be it. I'd rather sit this one out, and let Trump have his "victory." Sometimes, as with addiction, you can't get out of the gutter until you've hit rock bottom, and you can't get any lower than Trump.

[dbackjon]

114. +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

[Xyzse]

115. Completely agreed!

[Bradical79]

118. Trump garauntees I won't be one of those people

If I even consider sitting out of the general election, I just look at this tweet:
<img src=":small">disgusting</img>

I don't buy into the Trump for Hillary conspiracy theory, but a part of me does understand it. Trump is such an outwardly disgusting human being that he is the only candidate I can think of that could get me to vote out of pure rage. No matter who wins the primary, I think I will spend a decent amount of time trying to make sure this guy gets his ass handed to him should he be the Republican nominee.

[cynzke]

121. Unintended Consequence!

There is no such thing as NOT VOTING. Just because you don't set foot in a voting booth and push a button, your MISSING vote still has an affect on the outcome of the election. When you don't vote, you let someone WIN and someone LOSE AT THE SAME TIME. Your MISSING VOTE COUNTS, contributes to the outcome. Don't be STUPID and let someone who votes make choices for you.

[BrainDrain]

122. This post screams....

I have no integrity.
I have no ethics.
I have no moral fortitude.

I will vote for whoever without thought or qualm simply because it is what I am told to do.

Bullshit.

[Amimnoch]

123. K&R - Absolutely.

Once the Primary season's over, I'll support the candidate with the (D). The potential SCOTUS nominations that will be coming up in the next couple of election cycles are too important to hold grudges on (and that's just one big reason).

I don't think Bernie is the best candidate out of the current field of Democrats.. but EVERY Democrat running is better than ANY of the clowns the (R)'s have fielded many.. many.. MANY times over.

[Satch59]

124. I love Hillary AND Bernie...

Seems like that shouldn't be possible here and I can't wait until a nominee is picked and then we can be one great force here... Nothing wrong with debate or having discourse but it's been pretty uncomfortable coming here and reading some horrible, mostly Hillary knocks... I really respect both of them and would be happy with either as a nominee...I'm a NY (now CO) Hillary girl and just think she has what it takes to be president at this time...

[LeftishBrit]

125. I actually did for many years withhold my vote from my 'natural' party because of its

leader (Blair!!!) - I voted for smaller parties rather than refusing to vote - and I don't regret it;

BUT you can bet that if there was any risk of getting someone like Trump, or even Jeb or Cruz, I would have voted for Blair in a heartbeat.

Left-wingers in some parts of France were prepared to vote Conservative to defeat Marine LePen's party. And they were right to do so! And Trump is actually WORSE than LePen (she condemned his extremism!) and the other leading Republicans about as bad as she is.

[Rebkeh]

126. Patiently waiting for this meme

to jump the shark.

The general election is a long way off. Rein it in, people. One election at a time.

[redstateblues]

127. Good one!!

[Jamaal510]

129. K&R

[urbuddha]

130. So be it. I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton.

Feel the Bern !!!

[CTyankee]

132. I hope you will rethink this if HRC is our party's candidate.

I am supporting Bernie, as you are. But I also have granddaughters who I must protect from a republican administration that can appoint supreme court justices and more than likely will. They will be antichoice and I fear for my granddaughters reproductive health and well being. At least, if HRC is our nominee she will be prochoice and her pick for SCOTUS justices will also be prochoice.

I cannot stand by and see my granddaughters, 2 of whom cannot vote in 2016, stripped of their essential right to reproductive freedom.

Of course, I can understand your reluctance to vote for her. I plead with you to think of the girls and women who will be harmed by an anti-choice president. This election will have effects on the next generation coming up and I am fearful for them.

Please let me know your thoughts. I mean no ill will towards you as I am sure you have very valid reasons for your decision.

[ValasHune]

133. Except .....

I could still vote for O'malley if that were the case.

[RoccoR5955]

135. You must OBEY the Party Masters

and vote for who THEY assign to run. Vote for the candidate or burn in hell.

[LadyHawkAZ]

136. Some in this thread: "You're welcome, sir, may I have another?"

[Jakes Progress]

139. What a thing to post on DU.

Logic and thought seem to go out the window during primaries.

Often overlooked is the real problem the Hillary/Bernie only crowds cause. All this attention on the top spot and very little on the state and local races where the real difference will be decided. Neither Bernie nor Hillary will be able to do dick without a congress and state legislatures to support them.

It's hard for me to care who wins the White House if we keep all other branches as they are.

I will vote for the Democratic presidential candidate, but all my energies in the next year will be in my county and state elected offices. To do otherwise is a vote for the status quo.

[RoccoR5955]

144. A wise choice.

I suggest others listen to it.

[LW1977]

145. Kicked x 1,000,000

We cannot have a President Trump or President Cruz!

[Chan790]

146. No. This horseshit remains horseshit.

If we don't ever stop supporting the weak pablum bullshit the DNC, big business interests and crappy fake Democrats keep feeding us in milquetoast candidates that don't represent the American public's interests or the base of the Democratic party...they're never going to stop feeding us these shit candidates. The only way to win is insurrection in the form of refusal to support the shit we're being offered.

I'd rather lose to Trump than support Hillary. At least in 4 years I know I'll have lots of fellow Democrats lining-up to support a Democratic candidate to oust Trump. I have no reason to believe that a massive primary wave is coming in 4 years to oust Hillary from the Democratic nomination.

Thus, for me the choice is easy. No Hillary support ever. I just want her forced out of public service entirely; if she don't hold office or get appointed anywhere, she can't keep doing harm to America to benefit her corporatist owners and wealthy friends.

[rnk6670]

147. Absolutely Flawed Logic

No fucking way am I getting caught up in this false narrative. Part of the problem with our electoral 'system' is the bullshit 'choice' we're force fed by 2 independent organizations that completely control, along with the ruling class, our political destiny. I vote for people. My vote is a choice earned not a default position. Half ass corporatist pigs are part of the problem here. Then we get Obama, who whores himself out to Wall St., pushes for shitty free trade agreements, caves to the pharmaceutical industry and has the audacity to suggest that an income of 250k is middle class. LMFAO - no more! Hillary? GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK. I refuse to continue to swallow what the duopoly is serving. If Bernie isn't the nominee then I won't be voting major party as there is certainly not a current republican I'd let near my family let alone run my country. Quit propping this shit up.

[randys1]

151. You get the gold star for the day...

[hughee99]

152. IMHO it's too early to start the "lesser of two evils" campaign.

Nt

[TeamPooka]

153. I will work & vote for the Democratic nominee and fight to defeat the republican nominee. nt

[lonestarnot]

154. Asshat thinking.

[BKH70041]

156. Completely silly

One's vote should be a reflection of what they want in a candidate, and they alone get to define that term. If no one on the ballot fits that description, then certainly they can choose the one which most closely matches, if they desire.

If none of them on the ballot fit, then not voting for anyone or writing in who you desire is A-OK. But, I would never succumb to peer pressure to vote a certain way. And attempting to "guilt" someone into doing that is a really nasty and hateful thing to do.

[fasttense]

158. NOPE I Will Never Ever Vote for the Lesser of 2 evils again.

I helped Obama in 2008. I gave money, joined the Democrats of Greene County, went to rallies, made hundreds of phone calls and helped with fund raisers. And look what he ended up doing. He is on the brink of solidifying a fascist government in his approval of the TPP.

And this from a man who talked like a liberal.

Hillary talks like a moderate RepubliCON, if you can remember those things. So, if she were to get into office, she would be more RepubliCON like then Obama is. I wont help her do that. I'll save my time and energy for liberal organizations.

[randome]

159. Unless you know of a 100% perfect candidate, you ALWAYS vote for the lesser of two evils.

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