Imagine the fit Hillary supporters would have if the DNC chair

[cali]

was a Sanders loyalist, advancing his interests above other candidates.

Sure, you're fine with the status quo, but it shouldn't be difficult to understand why supporters of the other two candidates are less than enthusiastic about the status quo.

[Kalidurga]

1. if the situation was handled like in 08

and Sanders got a stern lecture instead of access cut off we would see endless threads about how unfair it is. Hillary would sue if her access was cut off and rightly so. But, I have a hard time imagining her supporters would have come out 250,000 strong to make donations and show solidarity by demanding Hillary get her access back.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

36. There would not be 250,000 shelling out $10 each ...

there would be 10 supporters shelling out $250,000 each.

She'd be just fine.

[Kalidurga]

37. LO freakin L

[JaneyVee]

2. Not as big of a fit as stealing data and playing the victim.

[cali]

4. I see you are simply not able or willing to view anything from another's perspective

Hardly a surprise from you, janey.

[Matariki]

6. broken, meet record

It's like pulling the string on a See and Say

[Proserpina]

8. Chatty Cathy doll

My mom still has hers, and it still works. She plans to retire on the proceeds.

[Matariki]

69. That's what we call my mother-in-law

[mopinko]

84. they are quite valuable. that doll was named after my sister.

no joke. my cousin was in charge of branding for mattel.

[dorkzilla]

9. LOL!!!!

Aaaahhhhhch perfect!!!

[beam me up scottie]

68. LOL!

Perfect!

[bigwillq]

77. Bwah

[Phlem]

11. So none of this is playing the victim.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110730422

Oh noes someone hid my post, I'm hurt, they're so awful..........But you guys are above all that and have never engaged in similar activity.

Tell Santa about it.

[JonLeibowitz]

21. That post was violating the purpose of the site and was removed.

This happens all the time on DU.

So yes, they(Jackpine) are above all that.

[Phlem]

31. Hmmm.

did not know that when I referenced it.

[JonLeibowitz]

32. Ah I see I missed the sarcasm. Nicely done ;-) n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

49. Said the cheerleading section...

Rah! Rah! Rah! GGGooooooooooo IT!

Hey, nice bus they funded!

[pangaia]

79. Give it up.

[Plucketeer]

86. What is it they call that?

Oh - that's Right = "pacifier"

[Spitfire of ATJ]

91. We got fundraising letters from the Hillary campaign after donating to Bernie....

I pointed that out to someone else here and they didn't see any problem at all with Hillary going into Bernie's data and using the donor list from Bernie's campaign to solicit funds.

The Bernie campaign wants an actual independent audit to determine the extent of the breach from BOTH sides.

If it turns out Hillary stole data from Bernie I'm sure you will have a new talking point. Something along the lines of, "Donor lists are shared property of the party available to all" with a reminder that Bernie isn't a REAL Democrat anyway.

[Ivan Kaputski]

94. Saw that on FB in AA for Bernie Sanders 2015.

Seeing reports of Clinton team trolling the Bernie email list.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

96. Now watch her claim to be a champion for privacy rights.

[Ivan Kaputski]

99. I kinda saw the opposit of that at the last debate.

[mwooldri]

93. Some Sanders staffer thought "penetration tester" was part of their job description...

... and found out the hard way that it wasn't. If Sanders' team (or any team for that matter) were worried about data security they'd have an independent third party to do this stuff so that there is at least plausible deniability about stealing another campaign's data.

There are people who do this for a living. Some people call them "white hat hackers".

[cantbeserious]

3. The Fits - The Screams - The Tantrums - Would Be Deafening - Even By Childish Standards

eom

[murielm99]

5. Got any proof the HRC

throws fits, tantrum, and screams? Her behavior in this has been classy. Bernie, his campaign and his supporters are the ones throwing fits.

Don't judge others by your own behavior and standards.

[Phlem]

16. !

Nice try.

[AlbertCat]

41. Got any proof the HRC throws fits, tantrum, and screams?

I thought we were talking about her supporters, not her.

See... Bernie supporters don't think they are attached to the candidate at the hip.


Neither candidate threw a fit at any time over this. Ol' Shultzy did tho! When right to the press like a Rovian clone.

[Vattel]

67. Geez, she even got sensitive about the shouting thing.

"OMG, he was saying that I shouldn't shout because I am a woman. Waaaaahhh!"

[leftofcool]

7. More victim threads. These are really getting old.

Here's the deal. Bernie staffers got caught red handed! End of story!

[MrMickeysMom]

52. I'm afraid it's only the end of your interest in reading the story...

Rah! Rah! fucking Rah!

[The Second Stone]

10. Imagine the fit Hillary supporters would have if Sanders was already President!

Imagine the fit Sanders supporters would have if Hillary pulled out and endorsed Trump!

Imagine if Sanders staffers had not committed these illegal hacks.

Imagine if Sanders supporters were as mature and grown up as Sanders. Most of them are. But not all.

[artislife]

14. Imagine if H had been treated like this back in 2008? It would have been "sexist."

[The Second Stone]

18. Imagine frogs with unicorn horns committing cyber crimes

Sanders staffers committed acts which could be charged here. Imagine rainbows and puppies. What's your point? That the Sanders supporters on the DU are largely divorced from maturity and reality? Point made. It's a long race between now and the convention. Sanders is working hard to win it by being mature and constructive. Try not to undermine it, he might actually be the nominee.

[artislife]

23. Pfft

[AgingAmerican]

88. DWS/Hillary want it to go away now

But Bernie will persue it to the bitter end. In her giddy, knee jerk pouncing to destroy the Sanders campaign, she broke a legally binding contract in multiple ways. She believed he would just drop out like Dean did, but she underestimated him, he has sued her for breach of contract, and now DWS/Hillary can't get the genie back in the bottle!

I find the situation she is in to be...delicious!

[eridani]

74. Please stop the "hacking" bullshit. Clinton was the hacker in 2008

The Sanders tech people were investigating a leaky firewall problem that had occurred before. They reported it before in October but nothing was done about it. I can fault the techies for not clearing their plans at a higher level, but not for anything else.

Explain this, wise one--if they were "hacking," why did all their temp accounts get tagged with "bernie"?

DNC backed off because they didn't want the Sanders lawsuit publicizing Clinton's 2008 hack.

[AgingAmerican]

89. Let them throw out their buzz words

Fact is DWS/Hillary are now being sued for DWS actions. We will find out if the Hillary campaign is working in coordination with the DNC. If so then they are in biiiig trouble!

[eridani]

109. I'm thinking that DNC does not want this lawsuit because it will contain--

--documentation of Clinton's hacks in 2008.

[Yallow]

12. Imagine If Bernie Got Equal Time!

Now that would be something!

[Betty Karlson]

73. That would be the end of America as we know it.

(And I would be gravedancing)

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Yeah, and wait until the lawsuit's Discovery phase and they find Bernie files on HRH's computers-

because it's ALL TRACEABLE. Then we'll see excuses galore. Then it will be acceptable.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Snotcicles]

24. ding ding ding. lets have complete transparency. nt

[Lazy Daisy]

25. I don't think they'll find that

think about it. Something similar happens to you years before. You get read the riot act, slapped on the wrist and told "bad campaign".
Now comes 8 yrs later and oh hey, you know what got us in trouble......... If we just drop the firewall enough times.......
somebody is bound to take the bait.................

above scenario not beyond the scope of modern politics

[Chef Eric]

29. Actually, that could be a DISASTER.

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Imagine if Clinton winds up as the nominee, and THEN an independent investigation finds out that members of Clinton's staff had done some snooping.

There would be a storm of outrage, and justifiably so. The fact that NGP-VAN is headed by Clinton's former CTO would make the situation even more fishy.

Many Bernie supporters who would have been willing to vote for Clinton in the GE could easily change their minds. Who could blame them?

This is just one more reason to make sure that Sanders wins the nomination.

[Fumesucker]

56. I've been wondering about that scenario also

Not a pleasant subject for contemplation.

[Oilwellian]

102. I've thought the same thing about the ongoing...

FBI investigation.

[Duval]

30. Yeah, Imagine that! We'll see.

[MrMickeysMom]

54. The cheerleaders say....

Drop That Kick!

Drop That Kick!

[NorthCarolina]

82. The firewalls were likely being dropped purposely for a reason.

Either it was to allow HRC camp access to Sanders campaign data, or as hopeful entrapment of Sanders campaign workers. My guess, probably both.

[in_cog_ni_to]

104. I agree!

NGP VAN was up to no good, as instructed by DWS and HRH.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[democrank]

15. Point taken, but the DNC chair, as we know it, would NEVER be a Sanders loyalist.

Status quo cheerleaders don`t make a habit of rocking the boat. So, anyone with opposing ideas, a different way of doing things....well, just won`t do. Rule #1 is....Revere the Machine. Just do it and do not make waves.

[murielm99]

19. Well, it makes sense that

The DNC chair is a Democrat. Sanders is not a Democrat, never has been. Now he is running as a Democrat, mooching off the party, using its resources.

Neither he nor his supporters nor his staff have any sense of decorum.

[AlbertCat]

44. Sanders is not a Democrat

No he just always caucuses with them....

He's a liberal, unlike many 3rd way Dems.

[murielm99]

51. Nothing you said makes him a Democrat. n/t

[AlbertCat]

55. Nothing you said makes him a Democrat.

Anyone can put a "D" next to their name. Fox News proves that repeatedly.

Actions speak louder than name brand loyalty.

[murielm99]

103. Yes, anyone can put a D after their name.

Sanders just proved it, and after years of disdaining, criticizing and refusing to join the party. Now he is using them, and his supporters would like to wreck the party.

Anyone, including Trump, can put a D after their name. A lot of the posters here make me wonder. I am sure many of them are not Democrats, would never vote for a Democrat, never had that intention when they became Bernie "supporters."

[AlbertCat]

107. Now he is using them, and his supporters would like to wreck the party.

Delusional much???

Wreck the Third Way... which has already wrecked the party.

[draa]

61. So we should just close the doors and never let anyone into our party.

Pathetic.

[murielm99]

62. Stop putting words into my mouth.

I did not say that and you know it.

[draa]

64. Right.

We all know what you mean. We've heard that same crap for weeks now. That Sanders wasn't a Democrat and therefore shouldn't be allowed to run as one now. As far as I know he changed his affiliation to Democrat so he's a Democrat. That's all that matters. Clinton supporters seem to want a purity test like the GOP demands and it's speaks volumes.

Like I said, he's a Democrat now so just stop with that nonsense.

[murielm99]

65. Bye bye

newbie with no star membership.

[draa]

66. If you even cared to look I'm not new.

I've been a member for 5 years now. And what the hell does a star have to do with anything. Once again, you demand purity with that star. Just pathetic all the way around.

[AlbertCat]

108. Just pathetic all the way around.

Just wanted to repeat that.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

76. Because what you do spew is 100% USDA Choise Bullshit.

[artislife]

83. Everytime someone says this, I wonder if you want Bernie to run as a third party.

He actually ran as a democrat so that it wouldn't be a Nader move.

Is that something you want?

I could get down with him breaking away and running as an independent now.

[in_cog_ni_to]

105. They're just mad because they wanted an UNCHALLANGED CORONATION.

That's all this is. If he had run as an Independent, he would be crap on the bottom of their shoes. Running as a Democrat - since he didn't want to be another third party loss and because he has caucused with the Democrats for 25 freakin' years, he's now crap on TOP of their shoes! He ruined the coronation.

He's going to win too. Can't wait to see the shitstorm when that happens!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[artislife]

106. This is true!

They just wish it would all just go away...it is 2008 all over again.

[JTFrog]

85. Why would the DNC chair be a loyalist to someone who just joined the party six months ago?

That isn't a very long time to build up loyalty now is it? Especially when it's someone who spent the last few years trashing the Democratic party and President Obama.

Just sayin.... Does this really have anything to do with "loyalty"?

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. But he caucuses with the Democrats! !!!

[mefoolonhill]

17. Sanders lawsuit?

I'm wondering if the lawsuit filed by the Sanders campaign a couple of days ago is still active? Maybe withdrawl of the suit is part of the deal with DNC to get Bernie's data access restored. Does anyone know for sure about the status of the lawsuit? It could be a very big deal if they allow the Sanders team to go into full discovery.

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Last I heard, the lawsuit is moving forward and is still very active..

Discovery will be MOST INTERESTING. We'll also get to see the coordination between CORRUPT DWS, THE DNC and HRH's campaign through emails. It's going to be enlightening.

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[jwirr]

63. And while they were talking about it during the debate she

agreed that there should be a full audit. She cannot back out now. He asked for the full audit from October when they reported the breach until now.

I hope he does not lift the suit until that is done.

[draa]

50. It's still active from what I've heard.

It's going to be fun if a judge gives Sanders' campaign full access to the DNC files. Stock up on popcorn because it's going to be a blast.

[NYC Liberal]

20. Imagine the fit Sanders fans would have if the Clinton campaign was caught red-handed

stealing from Sanders' voter database, and then the Clinton campaign tried to blame Sanders for it.

And if the DNC chair isn't too fond of Sanders, well, I don't blame her one bit. Sanders just joined the party a few months ago only after he decided he wanted to be president and needed the party's fundraising apparatus — after spending years attacking the DNC and other Democrats, and even calling for the incumbent Democratic president to be thrown out in the last election.

Hillary is attacked as an "opportunist" and a "triangulator" – but it's really Sanders who is both. Sanders wants it both ways: he wants the fundraising apparatus and support of The Establishment (DNC) for his campaign, but he also wants to claim to be oh-so pure and indepdendent, and be seen as the "anti-establishment" candidate.

[treestar]

27. Great points

What happened to all the boasting about Bernie getting his funds only from The People? The DNC is part of The Establishment. Good point on the hypocrisy.

[Duval]

34. The greatest % did come from the people.

[Duval]

33. No, he did not call for Obama to be thrown out. Please

don't say stuff like this.

[NYC Liberal]

35. Sanders called for Obama to be challenged in the primaries.

The purpose of running in an election is to win, i.e., defeat your opponent. By definition, Sanders called for Obama to be defeated in the primary elections in 2012 – even though he recognized there was no way that was going to happen.

[Chef Eric]

47. When has the Sanders campaign blamed Clinton for what happened?

Don't you know that Sanders fired three staffers who accessed Clinton's data? Didn't you watch the debate, and see Sanders apologize to Clinton for what his staffers did?

There has not been any blame directed toward Clinton, and your post makes no sense.

[uponit7771]

57. +1

[Tarc]

22. This is what some Sanders supporters resort to now?

Having lost the real argument (people in his org did something wrong and were sanctioned appropriately) , they now fall back on if-wishes-were-kisses ones?

[AlbertCat]

53. people in his org did something wrong and were sanctioned appropriately

But this black & white version doesn't seem to want to stick.

Why is that?

Well, for one, its very uncharacteristic of Sanders and his way of doing things.... for decades now....

and second... the deep rooted nepotism on the Clinton side that was exposed by it is really more interesting than what was actually done. That sticks more than a staffer or two's foolish mistakes.

[treestar]

26. The DNC chair is not a Hillary loyalist

Her job is to win as many elections as possible.

Bernie needs more voters to win. He doesn't have as much support as Hillary among Democrats. The solution is to campaign, not blame the DNC chair because he's not winning.

[madville]

28. "Her job is to win as many elections as possible"

In that case, whatever she has been doing or advocates for we should be doing the opposite of. Since 2010, with the exception of the 2012 Presidency, that job performance has been an utter failure.

[Bluenorthwest]

80. She was a co-chair of Hillary's 2008 campaign. What more needs to be said?

I'm told she was not in fact very loyal and reached out to Obama while still working for Hillary but the optics suggest a certain degree of publicly stated loyalty. Do you co-chair campaigns for those to whom you are not loyal? I don't.

[Uncle Joe]

38. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cali.

[urbuddha]

39. I will NEVER vote for Hillary. I am backing Bernie 100%.

I guess I will vote Green if Bernie doesn't win, but I am going to do everything
I possibly can to put him in the White House.

[riversedge]

40. The Force is with us

[AlbertCat]

46. The Force is with us

Yeah... well, that's a supernatural fantasy from a rather overworked movie from the late 70's so.... great!

[riversedge]

70. Yoda: Just vote for the Force you all must do. Hrrrrrm.

Yoda ?@yoda 22h22 hours ago

Just vote for the Force you all must do. Hrrrrrm.

[AlbertCat]

71. you all must do. Hrrrrrm.

Only in galaxy far far away.

[riversedge]

72. We is the galaxy far far away

[LiberalLovinLug]

101. Its some kind of force alright!

[KittyWampus]

43. Yeah, deflect from three Sanders staffers seeking and stealing info they shouldn't have.

it's all you have.

[MrMickeysMom]

58. Actually, we have more than that...

We have an honest candidate and campaign staff. These are people who don't have the DNC and all their little cheerleaders attached to HRC's every next step.

Anything else is myopic and a self-fulfilled prophecy.

[riversedge]

98. and we the the FORCE with us...

Hillary for Iowa Retweeted
Iowa Starting Line ?@IAStartingLine Dec 19

I mean, the Hillary campaign has already shown their allegiance to Star Wars light sabers #MayTheForceBeWithYou

[gulliver]

45. Sanders apologized. That is an admission of wrongdoing.

And it is a promise not to do it again. How can any Sanders supporter fail to follow his lead and not adopt an apologetic attitude toward Clinton? Not doing that is blaming the victim. Inventing a pretext for abusing the victim (biased loyalists in the woodwork!) is paranoid and kind of what the Republicans suffer from more than we usually do as liberals.

[Sheepshank]

97. Apologized, fired people and failed to have any back up

all round cluster fuck

[Maedhros]

100. I'm genuinely chortling with joy over the backpedaling by the Clinton campaign on this incident.

The Clinton campaign has a long and storied history of sleazy tactics ("hardworking white voters&quot .

I'm tired of it, so I won't condone it or ignore it.

[stonecutter357]

48. .

"Yes, I apologize," he said on stage when asked by ABC's David Muir whether Clinton was owed an apology. "Not only do I apologize, I want to apologize to my supporters. This is not the kind of campaign that we run. If I find anybody else involved in this, they will be fired."

[postatomic]

59. OMG!!!! You mean the DNC communicates with Democratic Campaigns??!!!

It was Senator Sanders that decided to run as a Democrat. It is Senator Sanders who has been bashing the DNC every opportunity he gets. It was the Sanders Campaign that pulled that little 'dog and pony' show at the the Iowa JJ Dinner. It is Senator Sanders who has done nothing to gain support from other Democrats in office.

The only loyalty the DNC has is to the Democratic Party.

Current 538 Endorsement Numbers:

Clinton 455 - Sanders 2 - O'Malley 1

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/

Your imaginary scenario would only be less-imaginary if Sanders actually decided to work with the DNC and court Democrats in office that could help him gain voters. Sanders wants to be a one-man show and gets annoyed when anyone pokes that little bubble of his.

[still_one]

60. I suspect they wouldn't be happy, just as I suspect Bernie supporters wouldn't be happy if data from

the Bernie campaign was inappropriately obtained and downloaded from those in the Clinton camp.

[Ikonoklast]

81. Odd how a month or so ago Sanders contributors were contacted by the Clinton campaign for donations.

Out of the blue.

Funny how that happened.

[Katashi_itto]

75. You people cannot talk this way about the next Hillary Cabinet appointee.

Where is the respect due her!

[Ivan Kaputski]

95. "You people" LMAO ...Queen Rmoney flash back in progress.

[Ikonoklast]

78. If you liked Rahm Emmanuel as Chief of Staff, you'll absolutely LOVE Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Especially when she convinces President Hillary Clinton that supporting Republican candidates in state elections will further her right-wing agenda, and make Wall Street even more powerful that they ever were



And to those of you who think DWS hasn't already been promised a high position in a Hillary administration, think again. That fix was in a loooong time ago.

[winter is coming]

87. I'm a Sanders supporter, and I'd still be pissed as hell.

Rigging the game makes the party look bad.

[SCantiGOP]

92. want some cheese with that whine?

[Le Taz Hot]

110. Blind Loyalty requires

suspension of all brain activity.