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ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:54 PM Dec 2015

An Explanation of What Bernie Sanders Staffers Actually Did and Why It Matters

If anyone is curious as to why Senator Sanders is firing people from his campaign, this is a full explanation from someone who actually knows the NGPVAN system. I'm including an excerpt of the most important passages, but read the whole thing.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_12/an_explanation_of_what_bernie059035.php

The first thing to understand is that NGPVAN is a creaky voter database system that looks, and feels like it was put together in the 1990s. It has been the mainstay of Democratic campaigns all across the country and has intense loyalty among national campaign professionals—though it should be noted that the California Democratic Party uses one of its more robust and more expensive competitors PDI (PDI, hilariously, sent an email this morning to its users with the subject line “At PDI Data Security Is Our Top Priority.”) I myself have extensive experience running campaigns on both platforms, both as a campaign consultant and as a county Democratic Party official in California.
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The other important piece of information to note is the difference between a “saved search” and a “saved list.” NGPVAN’s voter tracking has the option of being dynamic or static, meaning that you can run dynamic searches of voters whose characteristics may change as NGPVAN’s data is updated, or you can pull static lists of voters who currently fit the profile you are seeking. Most voter data pulls within an NGPVAN campaign will be dynamic searches—and in fact, that is the default setting. You really only want to pull a static list if you’re doing something specific like creating a list for a targeted mail piece—or if you want a quick snapshot in time of a raw voter list.
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... the access logs do show that Sanders staff pulled not one but multiple lists—not searches, but lists—a fact that shows intent to export and use. And the lists were highly sensitive material. News reports have indicated that the data was “sent to personal folders” of the campaign staffers—but those refer to personal folders within NGPVAN, which are near useless without the ability to export the data locally.

Even without being able to export, however, merely seeing the topline numbers of, say, how many voters the Clinton campaign had managed to bank as “strong yes” votes would be a valuable piece of oppo. While it’s not the dramatic problem that a data export would have been, it’s undeniable that the Sanders campaign gleaned valuable information from the toplines alone.

I'm well aware that this isn't going to satisfy conspiracy theorist DUers who want to blame Hillary for the malfeasance of these Sanders staffers(*), but it does explain the reaction among the political operative community.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

/ (*) Basically no one I'm aware of is holding Sanders himself responsible for what happened, but the scorched earth behavior of his fan club in response to the revelations is telling.
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An Explanation of What Bernie Sanders Staffers Actually Did and Why It Matters (Original Post) ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 OP
Sanders may or may not have hinted, someone high up his chain may have hinted. KittyWampus Dec 2015 #1
Talk about conspiracy theories notadmblnd Dec 2015 #12
Not conspiracy, just politicians and their camps doing what they always do. And Sanders KittyWampus Dec 2015 #18
The HRC Campaign Spreading Ever More FUD cantbeserious Dec 2015 #2
Let me gently suggest that as a fan of Bernie... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #4
Let Me Gently Suggest That Facts Speak for Themselves cantbeserious Dec 2015 #5
Yes they do. ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #6
HRC Supporters Have Carpet Bombed DU With These Assertions - That Makes Them Suspect cantbeserious Dec 2015 #7
Ah, so in your mind, telling people the truth makes the truth false... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #9
Truth Told By Partisans Is Not Always The Truth - Gotcha cantbeserious Dec 2015 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Dec 2015 #13
And Why This Citizen Believes Nothing Said By HRC Supporters cantbeserious Dec 2015 #15
you left out a little of that truth. notadmblnd Dec 2015 #14
The Sanders people didn't have the database permissions to cheat terribly... ConservativeDemocrat Dec 2015 #17
Firings and a very public apology Sheepshank Dec 2015 #3
The only "scorched earth behavior"... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #8
It's colossal! It's a catastrophe!! It's the end of civilization!! Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2015 #11
Scorched earth indeed ... Trajan Dec 2015 #16
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
1. Sanders may or may not have hinted, someone high up his chain may have hinted.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:01 PM
Dec 2015

Sanders- the guy who excoriated PACS and then sent a nice thank you to a PAC spending money for him.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
12. Talk about conspiracy theories
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:47 PM
Dec 2015

I guess the Sander's camp aren't the only ones around here engaging in the silliness of conspiracy theories.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
18. Not conspiracy, just politicians and their camps doing what they always do. And Sanders
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 04:39 PM
Dec 2015

is just another insider politician no matter how much his supporters like to think otherwise.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
4. Let me gently suggest that as a fan of Bernie...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:14 PM
Dec 2015


- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

/ Let me repeat, as a die-hard Hillary supporter, that I'm not accusing Senator Sanders. He did the best he could with a bad situation. But pretending this is all a conspiracy on the part of the Clinton campaign, or DWS had no reason to be concerned, doesn't pass the smell test.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
6. Yes they do.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:19 PM
Dec 2015

And all the bluster, and conspiracy theorizing, in the world that you come up with won't change that.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

/ p.s. We already have one party that substitutes its own made-up-bullshit for reality, and that ain't us. Strange how some on the very hard left fringe of our party seeks to emulate them. The horseshoe theory in action.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
9. Ah, so in your mind, telling people the truth makes the truth false...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

Gotcha.

In reality though, most of the Hillary supporters posts have been written defending her from the wingnut conspiracy theories blaming her for this. And have been "carpet bombed" all over the DU. DU's front page has been filled with them ever since this came out, in fact.

The fact that fringe Sanders wingnuts (people who are embarrassing to Sanders himself) can't handle reality, and prefer your own make-believe world, really isn't the fault of the majority of Democrats. And it certainly has no bearing on the truth.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

Response to cantbeserious (Reply #10)

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
14. you left out a little of that truth.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:49 PM
Dec 2015

more from the article...


As it turns out the ethical breach by Sanders operatives was massive, but the actual data discovery was limited. So it made sense and was fairly obvious that the DNC would quickly end up giving the campaign back its NGPVAN access—particularly since failing to do so would be a death sentence for the campaign and a gigantic black eye to the party.

This doesn’t mean that Wasserman-Schultz hasn’t, in David Axelrod’s words, been putting her thumb on the scale on behalf of the Clinton campaign. She clearly has been, judging from the intentionally obfuscated debate schedule and from her demeanor and reaction to this recent controversy. The Democratic Party would have been wiser to bring the campaigns together privately and resolve the matter internally. Instead, Wasserman-Schultz chose to take it public to attempt to embarrass the Sanders campaign, and merely managed to embarrass herself and the Party’s data security vulnerabilities in the process.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
17. The Sanders people didn't have the database permissions to cheat terribly...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 04:38 PM
Dec 2015

...so they only cheated to the degree that they were able.

So therefore, cheating doesn't matter? That's your logic here.

I actually debated what exactly to excerpt, given the four paragraph limit you're allowed when quoting on the DU. I certainly could have included the robust defense of DWS's actions in light of it, but didn't. Regardless, I told people to read all of it and included the link. I think it (and my excerpt) is a fairly neutral accounting of all sides of the issue.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
8. The only "scorched earth behavior"...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:35 PM
Dec 2015

...was from DWS / DNC when they violated the terms of their contract by immediately pulling access to the data from the Sanders campaign.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
11. It's colossal! It's a catastrophe!! It's the end of civilization!!
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:39 PM
Dec 2015

It's an example of Gotchya politics that blew up in Debbie's face and about as important as last weeks cat-litter.

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