2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumAn Explanation of What Bernie Sanders Staffers Actually Did and Why It Matters
If anyone is curious as to why Senator Sanders is firing people from his campaign, this is a full explanation from someone who actually knows the NGPVAN system. I'm including an excerpt of the most important passages, but read the whole thing.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_12/an_explanation_of_what_bernie059035.php
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The other important piece of information to note is the difference between a saved search and a saved list. NGPVANs voter tracking has the option of being dynamic or static, meaning that you can run dynamic searches of voters whose characteristics may change as NGPVANs data is updated, or you can pull static lists of voters who currently fit the profile you are seeking. Most voter data pulls within an NGPVAN campaign will be dynamic searchesand in fact, that is the default setting. You really only want to pull a static list if youre doing something specific like creating a list for a targeted mail pieceor if you want a quick snapshot in time of a raw voter list.
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... the access logs do show that Sanders staff pulled not one but multiple listsnot searches, but listsa fact that shows intent to export and use. And the lists were highly sensitive material. News reports have indicated that the data was sent to personal folders of the campaign staffersbut those refer to personal folders within NGPVAN, which are near useless without the ability to export the data locally.
Even without being able to export, however, merely seeing the topline numbers of, say, how many voters the Clinton campaign had managed to bank as strong yes votes would be a valuable piece of oppo. While its not the dramatic problem that a data export would have been, its undeniable that the Sanders campaign gleaned valuable information from the toplines alone.
I'm well aware that this isn't going to satisfy conspiracy theorist DUers who want to blame Hillary for the malfeasance of these Sanders staffers(*), but it does explain the reaction among the political operative community.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
/ (*) Basically no one I'm aware of is holding Sanders himself responsible for what happened, but the scorched earth behavior of his fan club in response to the revelations is telling.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Sanders- the guy who excoriated PACS and then sent a nice thank you to a PAC spending money for him.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I guess the Sander's camp aren't the only ones around here engaging in the silliness of conspiracy theories.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)is just another insider politician no matter how much his supporters like to think otherwise.
cantbeserious
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ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
/ Let me repeat, as a die-hard Hillary supporter, that I'm not accusing Senator Sanders. He did the best he could with a bad situation. But pretending this is all a conspiracy on the part of the Clinton campaign, or DWS had no reason to be concerned, doesn't pass the smell test.
cantbeserious
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ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)And all the bluster, and conspiracy theorizing, in the world that you come up with won't change that.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
/ p.s. We already have one party that substitutes its own made-up-bullshit for reality, and that ain't us. Strange how some on the very hard left fringe of our party seeks to emulate them. The horseshoe theory in action.
cantbeserious
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ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Gotcha.
In reality though, most of the Hillary supporters posts have been written defending her from the wingnut conspiracy theories blaming her for this. And have been "carpet bombed" all over the DU. DU's front page has been filled with them ever since this came out, in fact.
The fact that fringe Sanders wingnuts (people who are embarrassing to Sanders himself) can't handle reality, and prefer your own make-believe world, really isn't the fault of the majority of Democrats. And it certainly has no bearing on the truth.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
cantbeserious
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notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)more from the article...
This doesnt mean that Wasserman-Schultz hasnt, in David Axelrods words, been putting her thumb on the scale on behalf of the Clinton campaign. She clearly has been, judging from the intentionally obfuscated debate schedule and from her demeanor and reaction to this recent controversy. The Democratic Party would have been wiser to bring the campaigns together privately and resolve the matter internally. Instead, Wasserman-Schultz chose to take it public to attempt to embarrass the Sanders campaign, and merely managed to embarrass herself and the Partys data security vulnerabilities in the process.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)...so they only cheated to the degree that they were able.
So therefore, cheating doesn't matter? That's your logic here.
I actually debated what exactly to excerpt, given the four paragraph limit you're allowed when quoting on the DU. I certainly could have included the robust defense of DWS's actions in light of it, but didn't. Regardless, I told people to read all of it and included the link. I think it (and my excerpt) is a fairly neutral accounting of all sides of the issue.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I think we can now put to bed the idea that there was no wrong doing.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...was from DWS / DNC when they violated the terms of their contract by immediately pulling access to the data from the Sanders campaign.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)It's an example of Gotchya politics that blew up in Debbie's face and about as important as last weeks cat-litter.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)CLICK gone