Hillary thinks we can fight Assad, ISIS, and Al Qaeda at once

[jfern]

She's a crazy hawk.

[onecaliberal]

1. Who is going to pay for it?

She's asking Bernie who is going to pay for his plans. Who the hell is going to continue to pay for these fucking wars all over the world while the united states burns and crumbles.

[fleur-de-lisa]

3. +1

[Warren Stupidity]

8. Never a problem for war mongery.

Only a problem for health care and education.

[onecaliberal]

12. It's a problem for her because I'm done voting against myself my family and country.

[840high]

53. Thank you.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

64. Isn't it amazing how when we go to war, money never comes up?

Then when we talk about health care and/or education, it's OMGWehavenofuckingmoneynationaldebtweneedtogetofftheGoldReserveblahblahablabahababh - warblegarrble.

[jfern]

20. War always goes on our credit card

No one ever asks how we're going to pay for the $@ trillion Iraq war she voted for.

[onecaliberal]

40. I was waiting for Bernie to say that exact thing after she started talking

About paying for things but he didn't go there. She's an unmitigated disaster.

[Docreed2003]

51. We've got that Platinum, no limit, MIC charge card docha know!

[Renew Deal]

55. You know the answer to that

[Fantastic Anarchist]

63. Health care is apparently not a right ...

... but America's access to foreign oil is.

Yeah, and her asking about paying for universal health care was absolutely bullshit. The model would practically pay for itself. She should know that.

[yeoman6987]

2. We are now. She is realistic. The other two are horrible on foreign policy.

[JonLeibowitz]

4. No. It is pathetic to consider her foreign policy to be better when she voted for IWR.

[yeoman6987]

11. Oh please at least she competent.

[JonLeibowitz]

17. Competent people don't make disastrous foreign policy blunders

Or I suppose you think GWB was "competent"? Please!!!

[yeoman6987]

27. She's made million of lives better.

[JonLeibowitz]

30. Do the Iraqis number amongst those?

[yeoman6987]

32. Yes. There are Iraqis she saved ultimately.

That you have to admit.

[JRLeft]

33. What about the thousands whom were killed?

[yeoman6987]

39. True. I admit that Iraqis were killed. Not sure if saddam killed more. I think he did.

The thing is now no more killing from the president of Iraq.

[JRLeft]

41. She's responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Her and every other yes vote, she's not alone.

[yeoman6987]

44. A leader makes tough choices

[JRLeft]

48. That wasn't a tough choice, it was a bad. A political one.

She chose death of others for political reasons. That's a coward not a leader.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

67. That's an absolutely disgusting position to take.

Leaders do have to make tough choices when they have to.

Say, like when London is being bombed. Hillary didn't have to make that choice. And it's disgusting that you take that position as if those lives were hers to kill so she could look good for some stupid hillbillies that didn't know where Iraq was or thought bin Laden was president of Iraq.

[beam me up scottie]

34. And the dead ones? How do you think they liked their "gift"?

Hillary Goes Orwellian on Iraq

Hillary Clinton may fancy she opposes the war in Iraq, but she has a funny way of showing it. On Monday night in Austin, she had this to say about what the United States military has done over the past five years:

"We have given them the gift of freedom, the greatest gift you can give someone. Now it is really up to them to determine whether they will take that gift."


There was nothing accidental about this line. She delivered it in response to two Iraq veterans introduced at a town hall meeting at the Austin Convention Center by her friend and campaign surrogate Ted Danson. She liked the line enough that she delivered it again a couple of hours later, at a campaign-closing rally at a basketball arena in south Austin.

"The gift of freedom" is, of course, a curious way to describe an unprovoked invasion and occupation causing hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and leaving just about every aspect of life chaotic and fraught with daily dangers. To then lay responsibility for the mess on the Iraqis -- we did our bit, now you do yours -- is the worst kind of dishonesty, a complete abdication of moral principles. It's the sort of thing George Bush has said to justify his decision both to launch the invasion in the first place and then stay the course -- a course Hillary Clinton has spent many months telling primary and caucus voters she thinks was misconceived from the start.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-gumbel/hillary-goes-orwellian-on_b_89729.html

[JonLeibowitz]

52. No, I see no reason to suspect Iraqis were saved.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

65. I think you spelled "worse" wrong.

[jfern]

21. There is nothing competent about wanting to fight all 3 sides at once

[yeoman6987]

29. She recommended this president made the final choice

She learned where to mold thing better. I love that she learns from this administration. It will make her an even stronger president.

[jfern]

37. I see no competence in her Libyan strategy. Obama is much less of a crazy hawk than her.

[yeoman6987]

43. Possibly but everything done in the Middle East was his decision.

[Renew Deal]

56. Sanders answer on ISIS is unserious.

So she ends up with an edge

[JonLeibowitz]

58. Please elaborate. I find her answer on ISIS unserious.

I side more with Sanders and Tulsi Gabbard on this. Both very strong and serious democrats.

[Renew Deal]

59. He says that we need to get other muslim countries to fight a secterian war.

That's not going to work and it's asking for trouble. I'm not saying we should fight it, but what he's saying isn't going to happen.

[JonLeibowitz]

60. Well it is better than US troops getting involved in a ground war

ISIS recruits based on US military force in the middle east, so getting directly involved would certainly be counterproductive.

[anti partisan]

5. What is realistic about that? There is a whole clown car filled with candidates you may find great.

[yeoman6987]

9. Nope Hllary is fine thank you.

[EndElectoral]

6. Is it realistic to go to war with the President of a foreign nation that hasn't attacked us?

Read George Washington's speech upon leaving office.

[yeoman6987]

13. 250,000 Syrians dead.

[EndElectoral]

23. Should we invade North Korea? multiple African nations?

Your argument is for the US to be the world's police force, because it is not due to an Asad attack on America, and you are being selective on differing human right atrocities world wide.

It is Congress who declares war, not the President. He is the commander in Chief. It is not up to the President to announce s/he is going to commit to regime change because s/he wants to.

[neverforget]

25. 165,000 Iraqi civilians dead

No one knows with certainty how many people have been killed and wounded in Iraq since the 2003 United States invasion. However, we know that approximately 165,000 civilians have died from direct war related violence caused by the US, its allies, the Iraqi military and police, and opposition forces from the time of the invasion through April 2015. The violent deaths of Iraqi civilians have occurred through aerial bombing, shelling, gunshots, suicide attacks, and fires started by bombing.

Because not all war-related deaths have been recorded accurately by the Iraqi government and the US-led coalition, the 165,000 figure for civilians killed from 2003 to 2015 is lower than the actual figure.

It is unknown how many Iraqi civilians have been wounded in the war, though one report states that as many civilians have been wounded as killed.

At least twice as many Iraqi civilians may have died as an indirect result of the war, due to damage to the systems that provide food, health care and clean drinking water, and as a result, illness, infectious diseases, and malnutrition that could otherwise have been avoided or treated.

Several estimates based on randomly selected household surveys estimate the approximate numbers of civilians killed, injured, and made sick due to war. These surveys place the total death count among Iraqis in the hundreds of thousands, including nonviolent or indirect deaths.

Despite more than $100 billion committed to aiding and reconstructing Iraq, many parts of the country still suffer from lack of access to clean drinking water and housing.

That's the low estimate and she voted to give Bush that authority

[reformist2]

15. Hillary and her friends don't seem to understand this is exactly why our problems are multiplying.

Bombing other nations that are not at war with us, even for so-called "good" reasons (e.g., we have to stop ISIS!) not only kills innocent people, it breeds hatred and resentment towards us.

There has to be a better way. How about instead of escalating all the wars, the get the world to agree to stop funding them???

[Gloria]

35. It's not just the dead..it's the infighting among rebel

groups that have opened the door for Isil groups to come in.

This is not easy work and Sanders has no answers...none.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

68. Better no answers than wrong ones ... especially if you're just going to repeat the mistakes.

[reformist2]

7. We shouldn't be. And Bernie will put an end to such insanity. Hillary will make it worse.

[Gloria]

31. He won't because he will have to learn about

the world as any President must do. Just like Trump...simple platitudes are not going to cut it....

HRC already knows....

Diplomacy is part of the equation...her 2012 proposals are finally adopted by the U.N. ....progress there.
Obama is putting Assad on the back burner for now...Russia and the U.S. are "de-conflicting."

[tech3149]

24. You're right We are fighting on all those fronts and guess what?

We aren't doing anything positive toward our national or world security.

[Bonobo]

10. Good god, after this last decade... Who the FUCK thinks this is of any benefit?

It's fucking madness and with the help of the "Good Democrats", we have joined in with the insanity.

The Repubs move to the crazy right, and the Dems pick up the slack like stagger to the center-right.

[reformist2]

16. If she hasn't learned by now that waging new wars in the ME *never* works, she's incurable.

[ucrdem]

14. Radditz the neocon watercarrier crying alligator tears for Ghadafi is inane.

[JonLeibowitz]

18. Well on the flipside, Hillary has a neocon foreign policy. A match made in heaven? n/t

[LittleBlue]

19. So create another power vacuum and hope for the best

Sounds like........ Iraq

[jfern]

22. And Libya. All 3 countries had Hillary supporting regime change

And all 3 countries now have ISIS controlling a large percentage of them.

[LittleBlue]

26. Yep

[Renew Deal]

57. Sanders supported regime change in Lybia

D'oh

[jfern]

61. When?

[Renew Deal]

62. 2011

Mrs. Clinton said Bernie Sanders had pushed for regime change in Libya.

True indeed.


As Mr. Sanders tried to distance himself from Mrs. Clinton on advocating regime change, saying it sometimes leads to instability, as it did in Libya, Mrs. Clinton pointed to Mr. Sanders's history on Libya, noting his support for regime change there. Mr. Sanders was a co-sponsor of a 2011 Senate resolution, which passed by unanimous consent, that decried Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi and his regime for engaging "in gross and systematic violations of human rights" and called for "an orderly, irreversible transition to a legitimate democratic government in Libya."

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/fact-check.html#/factcheck-39

[Gloria]

28. You did not listen at all to this nuanced answer

because you don't want to understand the complexities of the situation.

Yeah, Sanders is "surgically" going to focus on Isil...which is utterly ridiculous.

[jfern]

36. WTF? She said she wants to take out Assad at the same time.

You are the one who didn't listen.

[Gloria]

47. Did you miss the part about the just passed U.N. plan

that she put together in 2012????
Negotiations, etc.?

Do you see how long it takes to get things done, to try to set up coalitions? No magic wands, Sanders...

[jfern]

49. What does the UN have to do with her crazy idea of fighting all 3 at once?

[Hekate]

38. Cute line, ferndock, but she did not say that. Not even close. By the way, what is YOUR plan?

[jfern]

45. She said we have to take out Assad at the same time

You must have missed that part.

My plan? Definitely don't try taking out all 3 sides of a civil war at once. Sure Assad sucks, but there's no reason to regime change him.

[firebrand80]

42. You have to, it's all intertwined

Why do you think we can't raise a local force to fight ISIS? They're all busy fighting Asad. We can't finish off ISIS the way we want to until he goes.

But, in the meantime, we can't ignore ISIS either.

[jfern]

46. Huh? They're fighting each other.

[Doctor_J]

50. yep. get set for the fifth Bush term.

No money for healthcare or education or roads. Plenty for her friends in the Pentagon and wall street and prison industry. I wish she'd switch parties.

[Renew Deal]

54. Ummm, we've been doing that for at least a year.

[Mike__M]

66. Up next...

Tonight it sounded to me like Iran is next on the list after She takes care of Assad. Or maybe at the same time: January 21, 2017?

[Nyan]

69. Iranians are her enemies, you know.

She'll get there. Don't worry about it.
She's gonna take care of Assad the way she took care of Gaddafi. Syria's gonna turn into ISIS stronghold like Libya, but hey, she wants DEMOCTACY for Syria now. Let her do her thing.