Democratic Debate Thread 2

[longship]

So far, so good!

Let's keep the respectful discussion going.

[nolabear]

1. These guys, all of them, make me feel more hopeful for the country.

[Renew Deal]

2. They are much more serious.

[longship]

5. You have it, my good friend. nt

[longship]

3. I think that it is the idea.

Sadly too often forgotten here on DU. Just saying.

[zappaman]

4. How any American could see these 3 candidates

And then vote for one of the buffoons on the other side is beyond me.

[MoonRiver]

6. Or not vote for our nominee.

Unbelievable

[nolabear]

15. Both Bernie and Hillary know this. I hope the supporters of both do too.

[MoonRiver]

22. Hope the vast majority do.

[bullwinkle428]

14. I wish more Americans were getting to see these three.

[nc4bo]

17. THAT'S the problem, not many people will see it.

I expect these ratings to abysmal, just like the rest of the debates.

American people lose again.

[global1]

25. You Can Thank DWS/DNC For That...nt

[zappaman]

145. No, you can thank the fact that we have adults on our side.

The other side is batshit crazy and everyone watches to see what batshit crazy thing they're going to say...

[artislife]

137. Maybe because we see how their supporters are

Nice sigline..

[Renew Deal]

7. Sanders is right to want to answer the same question.

There are three people on the stage and there should be three answers.

[still_one]

10. I agree

[TCJ70]

11. Agreed...

...it's not like the republican debates where there would only be 3 questions they could all answer.

[Renew Deal]

19. lol

[MH1]

21. I agree, just posted the same thing.

Last 3 questions, Clinton has gotten to answer each. Either Bernie or Martin is left out on each question.

[questionseverything]

24. yep

[LittleBlue]

8. How do we distinguish between these candidates?

All I hear Bernie saying is that he agrees with the other two candidates. So, if I'm a voter totally unfamiliar with these three, why should I vote for Bernie? He's not exactly contrasting his position.

[TCJ70]

12. I think it's because...

...aside from guns, the other candidates have largely adopted his stances.

[nolabear]

27. No. It's because they're all somewhat in agreement and always have been.

SOMEWHAT, I said. I know the difference between them but all have always been in agreement re immigration, pay equity, gun control, coalition forming, etc. Not the same but far from the carpet bombing, Putin loving, Muslim hating, ISIS feeding, women's rights removing, gun humping, KILL KILL KILL GOP.

[elleng]

18. You should vote for the candidate with executive experience

in implementing plans and programs, and that candidate is Martin O'Malley.

15 Goals to Rebuild the American Dream
https://martinomalley.com/category/15-goals/

Addiction treatment and prevention
https://martinomalley.com/policy/addiction-treatment-and-prevention/

Criminal Justice Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/criminal-justice/

Making College Debt Free for all Americans
https://martinomalley.com/policy/make-college-debt-free/

Holding Wall Street Accountable
https://14d2r744okfe40r1ug1oqm6y-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/OMalley-Wall-Street-Reform.pdf

Expanding Social Security
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/expanding-social-security/

Homeland Security
https://martinomalley.com/vision/homeland-security/

Immigration
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/immigration/

National Service
https://martinomalley.com/national-service/

Environment
https://martinomalley.com/climate/iowa/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/
https://martinomalley.com/climate/agenda/

Foreign Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/truman-national-security/

Gun Reform
https://martinomalley.com/policy/preventing-and-reducing-gun-violence/

Trade Policy
https://martinomalley.com/policy/trade-policy/

Campaign Finance Reform (Restoring our American Democracy)
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/restoring-our-american-democracy/

Why We Need a Constitutional Amendment to Secure the Right to Vote:
https://martinomalley.com/the-latest/news/right-to-vote/

Tax Reform
(Coming Soon)

Veterans and Military Families
https://martinomalley.com/policy/veterans/

[JDPriestly]

139. Bernie also has executive experience as mayor of Burlington Vt.

There are videos oof Bernie as mayor. He was really great and re-elected over and ove and over.

[Robbins]

9. moderaters trying to keep bernie from talking

now that datagate is over.and mor eintrested in fear mongoring than real issues that affect everyday americans.

[still_one]

20. Then he will have to try to take some control from them in a positive way. Not easy, but doable

[Hekate]

61. He's doing plenty of talking--and yelling. Probably should use a stopwatch to see how much time...

...he actually is using.

[MH1]

13. Why not let each candidate answer each question?

I'm not liking this format so far. They ask a similar question to two candidates, then won't let the third speak their position on the question.

When it's all said and done will Clinton be the one with the most time, and O'Malley the least?

[global1]

32. Agreed - You Beat Me To That Point....

It's hardly a debate as it is and then you don't get a chance to hear each candidates position on each issue.

[Renew Deal]

16. Sanders calls for a secterian war in the middle east.

"This is a war for the soul of Islam" and they should fight it.

[bullwinkle428]

23. Bernie calling out S.A. and Qatar. Wish he'd go even further and tell them

to stop funding Daesh.

[still_one]

29. They all have to be somewhat careful. Unlike the republicans, ya can't say we are going to bomb

everyone

[Tipperary]

54. I just think it is a damn shame that

terrorism dominates the discussion. I would really like to hear them all talk about domestic issues.

[pacalo]

36. I loved the quote, which is here...

Qatar: Instead of spending $200 billion on the world cup, maybe they should
pay attention to isis, which is at their doorstep.

[longship]

26. Now we get to some meat.

And let's be respectful here. Let's not bring in other topics than are discussed.

This is an awesome debate so far, no matter who one supports.

And Martha Raditz is awesome.

[Renew Deal]

28. They asked Hillary a good question about what happens if ground troops are needed.

Will she want to send them.

Hillary says that she believes in the current plan.

[PghTiny]

30. Even w/ the crap job the ABC moderators are doing

The CBS debate was much more organized, if you ask me

[restorefreedom]

34. i think all the candidates are not getting

good treatment from the mods,.disorganized and stupid provoking questions imo

[firebrand80]

31. Hillary taking the other candidates to school

[Renew Deal]

33. O'Malley: "Make president of USAID a cabinet member."

[ProudToBeLiberal]

35. I know I am biased, but anyone else think Hillary is winning the debate on foreign policy so far? nt

[Hepburn]

40. She lost that debate when she voted YES on the IWR.

And...she is not doing well this evening in that the hawk is just beating it wings to fly our of her mouth...and she looks like she is fighting it.

JMHO

[bobbobbins01]

44. They were largely agreeing, but it seems like shes getting more time than the other two.

She lost the foreign policy debate as soon as she mentioned the no fly zone though.

[Hepburn]

50. That was the topper...not good. I agree.

[Zorro]

37. This is an adult debate

All three candidates are well-spoken, and they're showing they're all quite capable and intelligent.

[xloadiex]

38. Is this a debate

Or an HRC interview? This is horrible.

[elleng]

43. Right, glad you noticed.

[Tipperary]

45. You must be watching a different debate.

[LittleBlue]

39. These Isis strategies don't make any sense.

Bernie: We need to bring in Arab armies. Including Saudi Arabia

Bernie, those Arab armies were utterly routed by Isis. Saudi Arabia won't fight Isis because they're funding Isis.

Hillary: We need the Turks to focus less on the Kurds and more on Isis

Hillary, the Turkish president's own brother has been pictured dining with Isis leaders. He's buying their oil.

[Renew Deal]

41. Hillary asked if we should shoot down Syrian and Russian planes in no fly zone.

"It shouldn't come to that." Deconflicting...

[longship]

42. Oh boy! No fly zone! Shared by Russia. nt

[denem]

55. Trump will personally monitor compliance

and report any sightings of Muslims in the area.

[Punkingal]

46. Hillary's no-fly zone answer was not very good...

IMO

[Renew Deal]

48. No ones is including the republicans

Because it doesn't really make sense

[JDPriestly]

142. What foreign powers are flying in Syris other than the US and Russia

Iraq. That is the US. A no-fly zone would stop what planes? Turkey? France

[Renew Deal]

47. Sanders answer about "broad coalitions" is no better than anyone else.

I don't mean to make is sound competitive. Just no good answers.

[Renew Deal]

51. Hillary has a good answer about motivation of non-ISIS fighters

Basically the only way to keep the non-ISIS motivated is for them to have a shot at replacing Assad.

[Robbins]

49. I hate this debate

it makes CNN debate look good.

It's all about clinton.

[Matariki]

53. And we already know who "won" the debate before it even started

as per tomorrow's media.

[Renew Deal]

57. Someone pointed out that Hillary gets to answer every question, but the other two don't.

[MoonRiver]

69. Well Bernie keeps agreeing with Hillary.

"The Secretary is right." This is not the fault of the debate. Of course I agree with him.

[nolabear]

77. No, it's about foreign policy. She's the best qualified at that.

[artislife]

140. Yes, more people have died under policies she agreed with.

In some circles, that is considered very successful in war.

[Renew Deal]

52. Democratic answers are so much more thoughtful than the republicans

No "nuke" the middle east nonsense. No effort to out tough each other.

[valerief]

56. MOM pulled the youth card! "May I respond from a different generation?" nt

[shawn703]

58. Wow ageism from O'Malley

Didn't expect that from a Democrat

[bullwinkle428]

66. Pissed off a few in the crowd.

[elleng]

102. Pointing out the difference between history and the contemporary situation is not ageism.

[demmiblue]

59. Honestly, mics should be turned off if it isn't one's turn or if they go over time.

[longship]

73. They are doing pretty good on that. nt

[firebrand80]

60. Bernie, just admit you don't know WTF you're talking about

[cantbeserious]

67. Spoken Like A True Third Way Member

eom

[firebrand80]

71. *high five*

[cantbeserious]

78. That Post Was Not An Affirmation - This Citizen Would Be Ashamed To Affiliate With The Third Way

eom

[firebrand80]

89. *high five*

[cantbeserious]

100. A Firm No From This Citizen

eom

[Renew Deal]

62. O'Malley just got groans for an old person joke

"Can we get a person of a different generation perspective?"

Groans

[El Supremo]

72. Yeah that was bad.

But he's probably right.

[TexasBushwhacker]

82. Well deserved if you ask me n/t

[Renew Deal]

91. I agree

It was clumsy

[longship]

63. Too bad this is on Saturday before Christmas. nt

[Gregorian]

64. Talk about disrespectful moderators!

[LittleBlue]

65. O'Malley is dead right

Nailed it. I'm more impressed with him than Bernie.

[elleng]

75. Good!

[demmiblue]

68. O'Malley... oh my!

[karynnj]

70. clinton just claimed credit for the UN resolution on Syria

Claiming it was negotiated in Geneva by her. There was a Geneva agreement, but the UN resolution came out of the Vienna negotiations and their follow up meetings.

After Geneva, things fell apart. There was even a Geneva that was also a failure. Other than all these negotiations being on Syria it is silly for Clinton to take credit for time consuming negotiations done three years after she was over.

The US Secretary of State that led on this was JOHN KERRY, THE BEST SECRETARY OF STATE OBAMA HAD.

[Hepburn]

84. Yes, she was under fire during this discussion.

[karynnj]

116. lol

She looked over 6 foot tall leading them as well.

[still_one]

86. I am not watching the debates, but if that is the case, Bernie and or Martin should call that out

[karynnj]

106. the format works against that

Each person is asked a different question on the topic and each has there own agenda. Not to mention, this is something better disputed by the fact checkers.

I do not get why she does this. She is very good on detailed answers, clearly knows a huge amount, but I have NEVER heard her credit Kerry as having a lead role on anything as SoS.

[Renew Deal]

74. Clinton: "If the US doesn't lead, there is not another leader. There is a vacuum."

[Renew Deal]

79. Sanders: "US is not the policeman of the world."

[longship]

93. Renew Deal, you warm my black heart. ;-) nt

[Renew Deal]

96. lol. Thanks

[global1]

76. O'Malley Is Starting To Get On My Nerves....

Is he trying to hard or what? I know he is way down in the polls and needs to get noticed. But he's picking too many fights.

[elleng]

87. He's addressing foreign policy issues.

[firebrand80]

94. Give him a break

Really, what's he gonna do?

[LittleBlue]

107. I've no problem with him trying to contrast himself to the other candidates

I'm wondering why Bernie isn't. He looks like the only one on the stage who isn't afraid to hold the other candidates to account for their past decisions. Hell I probably don't even agree with his opinion on guns but I can respect his boldness.

[Renew Deal]

121. He is always very forced

[nc4bo]

81. U.S. is NOT the policemen of the world. Neocons hate

That kind of talk. nt

[still_one]

97. I agree, the U.S. should NOT be policemen of the world

[TexasBushwhacker]

120. I agree too

But if we expect sunni Saudi Arabia to send their huge army to fight against sunni ISIS, we're dreaming. I just don't see that happening.

[still_one]

127. There are no simple solutions, but it is in Iran's interest sure not to let ISIS expand too much.

The best thing we can do is become energy independent, but that isn't going to be quick either

[TexasBushwhacker]

138. I agree about energy

I would love nothing more than to quit doing business with Saudi Arabia and others stuck in the Iron Age.

[still_one]

141. because that is the real solution

[ProudToBeLiberal]

83. Yay, we are moving to the economy finally. nt

[ProudToBeLiberal]

115. du[;ocate

[Renew Deal]

85. Fundamental dispute about Syria between Hillary and Bernie...

Hillary: We must take on Assad and ISIS
Bernie: Just take on ISIS and have someone else fight the fight.

[still_one]

103. I don't think there is any easy answer on this one

[awake]

108. I am not sure I can agree with the hawkish aproch the HRC is presenting

And I wish Bernie would stop yelling

[NYCButterfinger]

88. It's a more serious debate than the GOP one

[longship]

104. It is a great debate... On the Saturday night before Christmas!!!

How many will be watching "Rudolph, the Red-Nosed Reindeer" instead?

[NYCButterfinger]

134. Probably more watching the rain deer show

[MH1]

90. HRC blames Assad for ISIL. Not Bush's invasion of Iraq.

How 'bout that.

[Renew Deal]

95. For territorial gains...

That goes to the Syrian civil war.

[Hepburn]

98. I am still shaking my head on that one.

Where the hell did that come from???

[MH1]

112. She is defending Obama's "Assad must go" during her SoS tenure.

But O'Malley is dead right on that one.

I winced when Obama said that and haven't stopped wincing about it since. Very close to the worst foreign policy error of his administration, if not THE worst, in my opinion.

[LittleBlue]

92. Hillary, Isis wasn't created by Assad

That was done when you voted for Chimpy's war of lies.

[still_one]

109. well,then the other candidates should call her on that. That is what is supposed to happen during

debates

[Punkingal]

99. She gets every question....

This is bullshit.

[restorefreedom]

101. yup. but i did not expect anything different. nt

[Hepburn]

110. Yeah, but she gets most of the answers wrong...

...let her keep screwing up.

[still_one]

118. I am not watching the debate, but regardless, lets say your assessment is right on. Are the other

candidates pointing that out, and if not then they should be, or they are not doing what they need to do in a debate

[Renew Deal]

122. Sanders complained once about not being able to answer one.

[still_one]

129. Then he has to interject, even if it is very brief. Those are opportunities

[Hepburn]

126. Why take their time to point out her obvious mistakes.

Better to give the correct positions and facts and let her sit there with egg on her face.

This is not a debate...it is an interview by some of the worse mods I have witnessed.

[still_one]

135. Strategically if there is a glaring misstatement, and that isn't pointed out, it is a lost

opportunity. Of course that is just my opinion. It doesn't have to be a long, just a quick statement of fact, and then proceed onto your positions.

[Punkingal]

147. They try....they get reminded of the rules every time.

I guess one of the rules is she gets to answer every question.

[nolabear]

117. OFFS.

[EndElectoral]

124. I'd be curious if there is a time amount list of how much each person got to speak.

[pangaia]

105. Even the commercial breaks are like NFL breaks.

Commercial.
30 seconds of comments recapping the last 2 posessions by 5 talking heads for anybody who can not understand English.
Commercial..

talking heads back..
game continues 1st and 10...

[Renew Deal]

111. They are going to start the debate without Hillary there.

[nolabear]

113. LOL! It takes girls longer...

[JimDandy]

123. Sexist. But yeah, she set out to make an entrance

and instead rightfully earned toilet references.

[nolabear]

128. No, really! It does! I am one! And that's just silly about making an entrance.

You don't want to be late to your podium.

[mvd]

114. As usual I agree with Bernie

Hillary says no ground troops. So are we to rely on special forces to take out Assad? And what about the destabilization not only in Syria, but around the world? We must think of Russia.

[Renew Deal]

119. Sanders: Tax on Wall St. speculation to make public college free

[longship]

125. Starting a new thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251925394

Please go there for more discussion.

Thank you.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

130. Yes - terrorism is bad bla bla bla

Reality - our own police have killed more of us in the last twenty
Terrorism is a problem we will deal with

Sanders is correct - Jobs - healthcare - banking - ENVIRONMENT
These are the issues that will have more direct impact on us


WAR WAR WAR - it is not the answer - It is not even the most important question

[Kentonio]

131. Hillary is doing extremely well

[MADem]

132. Hillary is kicking ass!

Loved the MARKET BASKET comments--that's good audience connection!

Everybody loves Hillary!!!!

[Renew Deal]

133. Sanders: Corporate America will not like me and Wall St. will like me even less

Not sure if that answer is going to play well. Most workers work for corporate America on some level.

[still_one]

136. That is true, but it is a popular sound bite that does resonate with many workers

[Rosa Luxemburg]

143. Bernie is very clear

[ChisolmTrailDem]

144. Hillary bulldozes her way through time that is not hers! She defies the moderator too and...

... ignores their attempts to keep control of the debate!

Damn!

[bkkyosemite]

146. All they are talking about is Hillary as if the other two

do not exist