Democratic debate thread.

[longship]

I will start it since everybody else seem intent on infighting.

Just tuned in. We have George Snuffalupagus, Donna Brazile, Cokey Roberts, and some dude moderating. I invite DUers to contribute as long as we all stick to the debate topics.

Have at it DUers. Let's be polite.

[99th_Monkey]

1. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251924627

[longship]

3. Not a very constructive start. Let's let the candidates speak before we judge.

And no, I am not a big Snuffalupagus fan, nor necessarily a Brazile fan, nor a Roberts fan. I don't know about the other guy.

Let's stay constructive here and address the debate and not necessarily the commentary which we know where that will go, no matter what side one takes.

[99th_Monkey]

29. oh please. count me out of this string. I'll speak my mind ...elsewhere now. bye. nt

[bkkyosemite]

2. They are talking as if Hillary has won and Bernie is a strange one...

It is very much swayed to Hillary in their introductory comments.

[longship]

9. Well, given the forum, not surprising.

Let's let the candidates speak, and address that.

[demmiblue]

4. The streaming is not so great.

[LuvLoogie]

5. Corporate news is so icky

I going out for tacos. I'll be back. Go Hillary!

[longship]

11. I am with you on going for tacos, however I support Bernie in the primary.

Meet you in November. Deal?

My best regards.

[Hepburn]

12. Are you doing carry out?

If so, bring me a shredded beef one, soft shell, lots of guacamole? Thanks... I love tacos! Love any kind of Mexican food!

[MsLeopard]

6. Oh, now they're justifying the debate schedule

Could this be any more of a rigged game??

[Juicy_Bellows]

8. Just heard that.

Gross.

[Hepburn]

7. SoCal...L.A. County...broadcasting free on Channel 7. n/t

[bigwillq]

10. Who won?

[longship]

16. Well, chalk it all up to Saturday night entertainment.

I do not especially like US football, and I have no cable TV here, nor broadband INet. So I will take this.

Got the popcorn ready.

[NCTraveler]

13. Is this a Clinton commercial...

Or are we back to reality.

Been tough around here lately.

Edit: Talking about the opening.

[Leftyforever]

14. Remember this...

Stephanapulous and Brazille were (are) Clinton hacks

[demmiblue]

15. Tacky.

[longship]

17. I am very happy to see Martha Raditz. nt

[elleng]

20. Ditto

[elleng]

18. Martha Raddatz, that's good.

[one_voice]

19. yay!

[femmocrat]

21. Thank you, longship! And we are off....

[longship]

91. It is always better to get along here. nt

[JaneyVee]

22. Basically Hillary vs. 2 other guys.

[demmiblue]

23. Is anyone else having streaming issues? The picture quality is awful!

[Hepburn]

24. Wow...Bernie got a great welcome. I thought HRC's was big...

...his was better.

[longship]

25. Hillary first. Progressive message. nt

[firebrand80]

26. Bernie should button his jacket when he walks out

[Hepburn]

27. Want to comment on Hillary's appearance?

Thought this was a no-no with the appearance comments?

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. ...

Right? If I were to comment on Hillary it would be to say that she looks so much like my mother that it makes it really hard to listen to her (I'm seriously being serious).

[bigwillq]

40. That's sexist.

How dare you.

[ScreamingMeemie]

42. Bye Felicia

[bigwillq]

47. Gasp!

I am so offended.

[bigwillq]

78. Agree (nt)

[Stardust]

80. She looks like my mother, too.

[firebrand80]

32. I'm a professional male

I feel qualified to comment on professional male attire

[Hepburn]

52. Professional male...so what.

I am a professional female, retired, but if I comment on HRC it's sexist???

BTW: I like the way Bernie dresses.

[firebrand80]

59. I wouldn't say that's sexist

But I'm probably less sensitive then your average DU'er

[Hepburn]

76. OK...I can handle that...

...IMO, dress and appearance are part of the whole shtick ... and IMO, comments on whether or not someone is going the right way or wrong way on his/her appearance...I think that is an OK subject. Like, IMO, Hillary finally has a hair style that fits her. I like it. I also think that MOM looks presidential...at least in the Harrison Ford manner.

[Codeine]

118. I'm an amateur male.

Haven't figured out a way to monetize this thing yet.

[firebrand80]

122. ha ha

[Renew Deal]

121. Is the lighting bad at the debate?

Too bright?

[Hepburn]

125. There is something odd...everyone looks like they are sunburned...and the contrast is way too much.

[MsLeopard]

28. So far

HRC opening - meh

Now MOM is pushing terror, WTF?

[Fawke Em]

98. What was up with MO'M?

That opening statement sounded like it belonged in the Republican debate.

Normally, I like that guy, but that speech was icky.

[longship]

30. Martin next. Terrorists. But bring us together. Never surrender to billionaires with big mouths. Nt

[Stinky The Clown]

33. "the fascist rhetoric of billionaires with big mouths"

From Martin O'Malley's opening statement.

[restorefreedom]

34. good martin open

and so far so good on bernie

[femmocrat]

35. O'Malley lobs one at Trump.

"Fascist rhetoric of billionaires with big mouths" GO'Malley!

[longship]

36. Bernie. His standard stump, which is good. Climate change. Sustainable energy. No perpetual warfare.

[firebrand80]

37. Mommy, the old man on tv is yelling at me

[Blue_In_AK]

38. Fascist billionaires with big mouths.

LOL.

[MsLeopard]

39. Go Bernie!

He addresses the issues that really matter!

[longship]

41. Here we go! nt

[joshcryer]

43. First question.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

48. Nothing about issues, just noise about data access

as if that impacts us.

But, it's a new shiny object.

[global1]

44. My Lady Friend Says O'Malley Has Elf Ears....nt

[firebrand80]

72. LOL, my wife said the same thing!

[Bjornsdotter]

95. Absolutely! n/t

[MsLeopard]

45. Tell it, Bernie

Truth coming out!!!!

[nc4bo]

50. Lil Debbie looks like she's constipated. Nt

[elleng]

46. OH, thanks, david, get the 'data' issue on the table quickly.

PLEASE shut it down.

[demmiblue]

51. Wipe that smug smile off your face DWS.

[Hepburn]

57. She should be wiping the blowby she got from that stupid stunt off her face.

[longship]

53. Bernie apologizes! Nt

[MoonRiver]

55. Good!

[Wilms]

63. And Hillary was gracious in response. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

158. I love them both

[JTFrog]

54. Ok, there is the integrity I was looking for.

Thank you for the apology Bernie.

Well done.

Lets hope some folks can follow his lead around here.

[nc4bo]

60. Integrity. nt

[Tipperary]

56. Bernie just admitted his staff did wrong.

Good for him.

[bigwillq]

65. Good for Bernie.

Glad he has taken responsibility. Time for him to take out the trash in his campaign and move on.

[TCJ70]

66. I'm pretty sure that's been clear from the beginning...

...I mean, Bernie fired the guy right at the start of the breach when it came to his attention. The idea that Bernie has acted anything but ethical in this situation is silly. What more could he have done? Seen the future and stopped it before it happened?

[MADem]

120. He apologized. That was nice. They're adults - I think that's making

some supporters on both sides unhappy. Glad they want to talk about issues.

[Tipperary]

145. I agree.

I support Hillary, but I have respect for Sanders and O'Malley. That was classy of Bernie to apologize.

[LittleBlue]

58. Weak again

Is this the same playbook Bernie used in the first debate?

[joshcryer]

61. Fucking called it.

Sanders "supporters" are crying right now.

[global1]

89. Actually As A Sanders Supporter I'm Applauding Now...

sorry to burst your bubble.

[joshcryer]

103. If you are proud of the apology and deescalation...

...then you're not who I'm talking about.

[WIProgressive88]

99. Not at all. If there was a legitimate wrongdoing, and Sen. Sanders seems to believe there was, I am

glad he's taken responsibility and apologized for the incident. Kudos to Hillary for being gracious as well.

[joshcryer]

112. We are a rare breed.

There are threads here getting kicked in complete denial.

[JDPriestly]

166. The wrongdoing was donne by the vendor that manages the databases. And that will come out in time.

[R B Garr]

172. Quit blaming the vendor. There were age demographics

searched and Donna Brazille mentioned there might have been data sabotage or deletion. Files were downloaded. And it was the vendor who reported it, although Sanders claims they reported it in October...it's December now, so,...

Both candidates handled it well tonight, but here you are refusing to accept facts. What a shame.

[JDPriestly]

173. The breach I read lasted only 40 minutes.

There is no allegation that the Sanders hacked Hillary's database but rather thatthe vendor's firewall did not function. That is my understanding.

The problem is that the vendor did not protect the information. If Bernie's campaign had been guilty of hacking or something like that, Bernie would not have sought an injinction in court because he would not have been able to argue that his campaign had clean hands, and the sDNC would not have given in so easily.

Bernie dismissed his employee for taking advantage of the vendor's error, but the vendor made the original error.

[Stinky The Clown]

62. Well done, Senator Sanders. Well done.

Very gracious response by Hillary Clinton.

I hope the media leave sit alone from this point forward.

[bigwillq]

69. This.

[still_one]

70. Agreed. Much more important things to discuss

[AtomicKitten]

79. The DNC should have handled this inhouse instead of running to the MSM making a stink of it.

In 2008, Hillary's campaign breached Obama's campaign info, and it was handled inhouse.

Grace given then, grace not returned this time.

[joshcryer]

164. Ooh, don't worry, it ain't over for DWS.

But by a long shot.

[AtomicKitten]

170. I hope we can fix this.

Ed Rendell as DNC Chair wasn't particularly helpful to John Kerry in 2004.

Nobody that I can recall has done a better job than Howard Dean. I remain in awe of his 50-state strategy that Obama tapped into to a brilliant victory in 2008. Best damn ride of my life politically.

[karynnj]

175. mcauliff, the current governor of VA, was the DNC chair

As such, he was awful. He chose the date of the convention which led to Kerry having to spend his genuine funds over 13 weeks vs 8 for Bush. A significant disadvantage. In addition, he did nothing to get state parties in good shape. It was almost as if the DNC saw 2004 as a year it would be better not to even try in many states. ( Not just for President, but for anything)

I agree that DWS was a disaster in 2014, when I think she agreed with the public stepping away from Obama. This may have been her infatuation with all things Clinton, buy it was really bad as strategy. The way she handled the data problem was horrible. I think, even though I would prefer a better nominee, the nominee will be Clinton. I don't think her handling of this - versus Dean's in 2008 - helps in bringing everyone behind her.

[AtomicKitten]

179. McAullife. Yes, of course.

It's no coincidence that when the DNC is in the hands of a Clinton advocate, the party loses. It was a real disservice to John Kerry. When Hillary loses (either in the primary or general), it will be schadenfreude, a karmic payback. In 2014, it was Bill Clinton who promoted the strategy of candidates turning their backs on the president. Alison L. Grimes took that advice and got her ass handed to her, the delicious irony being Pres Obama garnered more votes than she did in Kentucky. Bill Clinton only supported those people that endorsed Hillary in '08, and most of those Third Way candidates lost. I hope 2016 puts an end to the Clinton stranglehold on the Democratic Party. Otherwise, they will succeed in driving away long time Democrats and a brand new pool of young voters away from an already dwindling party. Gallup has the breakdown at 43% Independents, 30% Democrats, and 26% Republicans.

[mountain grammy]

176. I hope not. She's a disaster and will lose this election for us.

edited to add, the 2016 presidential election.

[Hepburn]

86. I agree...

...IMO, I think they wanted a pie throwing fight like the GOPers do in their debates.

[demmiblue]

64. Gah... stop buffering!!!

[MsLeopard]

67. Bernie brings it back to the issues

Thank you!

[longship]

68. O'Malley brings some reason, too.

And Bernie agrees. We've got kumbaya tonight. The data breech is officially done!

[still_one]

71. no surprise there. They want to focus back on the issues

[one_voice]

73. I like all our candidates...

don't care what anyone says. Could you imagine the food fight that would have taken place if that had been repukes up there with the data thing? Nah, we're good.

[nolabear]

74. Again I'll say it's a relief to be listening to adults. Well done all around.

[longship]

77. ISis now. Hillary mentioning O'Malley.

This should be on prime time midweek.

[still_one]

84. In what way, I am not watching the debates?

[valerief]

81. Martin is doing Kasich hand-dancing.

[LittleBlue]

82. 9/11 WTC attacks didn't happen in Maryland, Martin

What's the deal with him and Christie trying to make 9/11 about them?

[elleng]

102. Because immediately after 9/11,

responsible mayors and governors recognized their responsibility to address the potential for subsequent problems, and governor O'Malley addressed them. It WAS and IS about them, and O'Malley has experience doing it.

[LittleBlue]

133. Sure

Or more likely they're exaggerating their non-existent national security cred

[elleng]

156. I hope you do not remain ignorant of his credentials.

There is NOTHING funny about it.

O’Malley puts forward a vision for national security.

'In a wide-ranging speech to a conference of the Truman National Security Project, the former Maryland governor also cited a need to to improve human intelligence in foreign countries and said that bolstering the U.S. economy is central to the country’s strength abroad.

“No fighter jet or troop battalion will keep us as safe as a vibrant economy, a strong democracy and a growing middle class,” O’Malley said in his speech at a Washington hotel.' >>>
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/06/26/omalley-puts-forward-a-vision-for-national-security/

[Tarc]

83. In 5 mins, it is done

Sanders took responsibility and apologized, Clinton accepted, O'Malley steered us back to real issues.

This is why every Democratic candidates is miles better than any Republican candidate.

(meant to post this here, not as a reply halfway up)

[rogerashton]

85. A couple of interesting reads -- from the original thread.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/clinton-touts-white-support/?_r=0


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/11/493668/-

[Nonhlanhla]

87. Glad to hear Bernie apologized

I know it was his campaign people who did wrong and not him, but I'm glad to finally see him say something, and own up to the error. Good for him! The lawsuit stuff yesterday left a sour taste, and this does a lot to restore his image for me. Good of Hilary to be gracious too. Hopefully it is because they all realize that in the end, for the sake of the country, Democrats must unite. We have bigger fish to fry next November!

[longship]

101. And that snuffed it out. Let both Bernie and Hillary partisans see that. nt

[JDPriestly]

169. The vendor of the data should have protected it,t

This story is not over. I bet more will come out.

Nevertheless, any of Bernie's employees who saw it had to go.

Of course, thevendor who was responsible for safekeeping and enabling legitimate access to each team's access is the problem here I would guess.

The question is whether, since so many key figures in the company thati is the vendor and manager of the databases kept the information secure from Hillary's campaign.

That company is full of people with ties to Hillary.

Bernie's campaign manager talked about a prior breach in October. BerniE apologized, but I don'rtthink lthhis scandal is anywhere near over. My guess!

[longship]

88. Let me know when I should start another thread. nt

[ucrdem]

106. now?

[bullwinkle428]

90. Bernie shout-out to the actual LIVING king of Jordan!

[demmiblue]

94. Lol!

[still_one]

96. LOL. Wonder if Chris Christie will tweet something

[MsLeopard]

92. Up to now

The only mention of economic issues facing the majority of Americans has been raised by Bernie. ABC is keeping it all on Repub issues so far. What a joke.

[mvd]

93. Hope DUers take the example shown from the debate

Hillary and Bernie were very civil about the breach in the database. Bernie took the right corrective action, and the DNC restored access as they should have. Now the issues will be addressed.

[Duckhunter935]

97. Hillary did not even bother to answer the gun question

[bettyellen]

100. Bernie on guns. Stronger background check, eliminate loopholes....

[bettyellen]

105. Wow, MOM insists on talking about guns, and will not stop, LOL. Gotta give him props.

Go MOM!

[still_one]

113. It is actually a courageous thing to do in this gun loving environment

[bettyellen]

134. yeah. and I appreciate that.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

104. Yikes, Bernie answer on guns is pretty bad so far...nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

110. I thought that it was a good answer

[arcane1]

107. I'm kinda digging O'Malley's spirit :)

[longship]

108. O'Malley nails gun control!!!! nt

[femmocrat]

109. Good for O'Malley for butting in.

Cripes, they never let him talk in the first couple of debates.

And he's being very forceful. Got Martha to ask him a follow-up ! :woooo:

[MH1]

129. Bingo. If he wants to be heard he has to be forceful. nt.

[bullwinkle428]

111. O'Malley kind of "went Cruz" there, seizing control from moderator...

to state he was strongest on gun control.

[still_one]

114. can't blame him, he has to do something to get people's attention

[MH1]

123. Yeah, I think that is his goal tonight.

And gun control is a very strong issue for him.

[still_one]

127. yes it is, and it should be a strong issue for all Americans

[bullwinkle428]

124. Not surprised - he had to "go big or go home" with no more

debates for weeks.

[longship]

115. A lot of friendly tete a tete. nt

[still_one]

117. and that is ok, but they should try and distinguish themselves on the issues, or their differences

on the issues

[longship]

126. Oh! I don't think there will be any problem with that. ;-)

[still_one]

136. Problem is I am not watching the debate now, just reading this thread

[JimDandy]

116. Oh come on Bernie, my man, don't use old material. n/

Groan...

[firebrand80]

119. Bernie is going to beat the shit out of O'Malley after the debate nt

[MH1]

138. That'll get MO'M some well-deserved attention.

[LittleBlue]

128. She gives Chimpy credit

[ronnykmarshall]

135. For one fucking thing

W DID say we are not at war with Islam.

Get the fuck over it.

[still_one]

137. chill.

[ronnykmarshall]

149. Was I wrong?

Chill my ass.

[LittleBlue]

146. That moron destroyed the Middle East. He's a war criminal

It's like giving the Nazis credit for making good automobiles

[valerief]

155. They made the trains run on time.

[ronnykmarshall]

165. No shit ....

I'm not defended that mother fucker. Probably the only one fucking thing that shit bag said was about not being at war with Islam.

I'm so fucking sick at the nit picking SHIT by the Hillary bashers.

[longship]

130. Trump!! Yup! nt

[JimDandy]

131. All three are working hard to sound strong and forceful.

[KentuckyWoman]

167. Working at forceful.......

My take

Bernie's natural personality comes over as a crotchety old man to someone raised in the south but probably just a regular guy to folks from the northeast. In a world sense they need to see him as forceful. He's a general unknown so he's got to turn it up now.

Hillary doesn't need to act forceful. The world knows she's got a steel spine already. She's got the luxury of feeling forceful and being calm externally at the same time.

Martin is also a relative unknown and feels the need to look tough. Unfortunately his natural personality is soft and calm I think so when he tries to look like he's got a little asshole in him he just kind of looks like a nice man pretending to be an asshole. Which is probably why he's having so much trouble getting traction.

[nolabear]

132. Good to hear Hillary call Trump out for what he is.

[nolabear]

139. AAAAAaaaaannnnnnd, pivot to the economy. But his point is right on.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

140. I'm surprised that Bernie was going after O'Malley so forcefully earlier.

Not sure if that is a good political tactic.

[itsrobert]

141. Larry David seems a little on the Angry side

Needs to tone it down a bit.

[nolabear]

148. You think? As long as he's making good points I think the forcefulness is good.

[still_one]

161. I agree.

[bullwinkle428]

142. Great point, Bernie - let Trump's minions know how little he thinks of them.

re: minimum wage.

[liberalnarb]

143. I LOVE WHAT BERNIE JUST SAID ABOUT TRUMP

[Rosa Luxemburg]

150. YES!!!!!

[JimDandy]

144. Bernie's passion is going to break a blood vessel in MY neck

Pheewee... breathe breathe.

[firebrand80]

147. O'Malley don't care 'bout your debate rules

[femmocrat]

151. That was a very stirring rant by Bernie.

I love his passion on how he called out trump for bigotry

[shawn703]

152. What a non-answer on encryption from Hillary

[Paulie]

162. Backdoor (aka key escrow) Clipper Chips and Skipjack encryption are a Bill Clinton era idea

I believe HRC still thinks it's a good idea. And it's horribly BAD idea.

https://epic.org/crypto/clipper/

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/12/what-the-government-shouldve-learned-about-backdoors-from-the-clipper-chip/

[JimDandy]

153. The back door is the wrong door. Haahaa. Whoops...

Everyone here tittering at that.

[bobbobbins01]

157. Once again Hillary throws the LGBT community under the bus.

Terrible joke...don't hate me...I couldn't resist!

[JimDandy]

160. Oh, you....

[longship]

154. New Thread! Keep on keeping on DUers!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251925027

BTW, I am awed by the response. Let's keep it going.

[still_one]

163. Great job longship, thanks

[firebrand80]

159. O'Malley whistles with his S's like the old man in Family Guy

[ChisolmTrailDem]

168. Why does Hillary get to speak over everyone but O'Malley was forced to hush? nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

171. She just did it again! Hillary bulldozes her way through time that is not hers! She defies...

...the moderator too and ignores their attempts to keep control of the debate!

Damn!

[akbacchus_BC]

174. That is the moderators fault for not controlling the debate.

The moderaters failed miserably to control the debate. Each candidate wanted to get their 2 cents worth. Mrs. Clinton was allowed to speak beyond her time so did Mr. Sanders.

All in all, it was a great debate! Call me silly, but I love all three of the Dem candidates. Anyone of them will be a powerful ally to our PM, Mr. Justin Trudeau!

[ChisolmTrailDem]

177. They tried to stop her over and over and she got louder and louder and DID NOT STOP. That...

...IS NOT the moderators fault. I know what I saw and she did more than once.

[demmiblue]

178. This is a pet peeve of mine.

Once a candidate's time is up, their mic should be cut... no matter who it is.

[TrollBuster9090]

180. What's the use of having George Snuffleupagus moderate the debate if only Big Bird can see him?