" I think Hillary will go down as one of the finest secretaries of state we’ve had.”

[DemocratSinceBirth]

" I think Hillary will go down as one of the finest secretaries of state we’ve had.”

-Barack Obama

[Mike Nelson]

1. ...and President Obama will go down as one of our...

...finest Presidents!

[mcar]

2. He will indeed

[bowens43]

9. If you are center right you might think so. Liberal or Progressive and this makes you laugh.

[leftofcool]

17. Only in DU bizarro world

[Beacool]

71. For a Democratic site this place is bonkers.

Obama sucked, Hillary sucked even more. The savior of the party, who spent his years in Congress bashing the same party he just joined, is the only true Democrat in the running. He will solve all our ills and make the country into a new Denmark by sheer will alone. The Republican Congress will go along with him in ways that it never did with Obama.

[randys1]

27. Dont be ridiculous. The statement is accurate.

President Obama is one of our finest, for sure.

If you want to make the argument that he isnt liberal enough, fine, I agree.

Is any former president liberal enough?

No...

But your extremely ugly attack of Obama, noted.

[cheapdate]

51. +1

[MeNMyVolt]

14. +1

[leftofcool]

16. He certainly will.

[randys1]

29. USA was moments away from total meltdown, economically and society as well.

8 yrs of Bush was so bad, caused so much harm to everything, that what Obama has done in the face of the greatest obstruction in history, is on the level of greatness.

[Skwmom]

33. So we gave a boatload of money to the crooks and didn't do anything to stop a future repeat.

None of the crooks went to jail. In fact, they got bonuses. Boy that will teach them not to do that again.

Somehow I must be missing the brilliance of how this was handled.

This reminds me of when people would praise "Hatchet Al" for his business brilliance. He would take over troubled countries, fire people, and sell off the assets. He was lauded as a genius. Any ruthless idiot could have done what he did. It would have taken talent to actually turn the companies around.

[randys1]

35. Hatchet Al? Who in the heck is that? Yeah, I see, you have discounted all that Obama has

accomplished


http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

321 accomplishments to be exact, because he didnt start a civil war by going after capitalism.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I agree With Mike Nelson and mcar

[litlbilly]

4. I agree with both of those things

[Liberal Jesus Freak]

5. No doubt.

She was great! I can't wait to hear her final retirement speech in a couple of months.

[libdem4life]

6. Pretty sure she'll go down as the richest SOS, too.

[dsc]

21. john kerry and thomas Jefferson, just to name two

make her look impoverished.

[libdem4life]

22. Seems she amassed her wealth during, and not before, as I understand it. John Kerry's

wife had the money, but I'll accept that. And I believe Jefferson had slaves and cotton or tobacco so was otherly wealthy.

Remember, she said she was broke before they went to Washington?

[dsc]

23. actually that isn't what she said

she said they were broke before Clinton became President, and in point of fact they had the lowest net worth of any President since at least Nixon and likely Truman when they entered office. She also said they were broke when they left office, which again is true in terms of assets vs liabilities. Much of their money was made before she ran in 2008 with some coming while she was at State.

[libdem4life]

24. Who can keep up with the Clinton stories. They were broke then they weren't and now she

gets 6 figures for speeches and they have a Foundation which gets millions. Don't bore me with the dates and circumstances.

[dsc]

26. so let me get this straight

you have no idea what you are talking about, I take the time to correct you, and it is somehow not your fault you have no idea what you are talking about but hers.

[libdem4life]

31. No you don't have it straight...My premise needed no correction. I just simplified, given the

didactic and linear timeline. Makes no difference. They were poor now they're rich. Could have been during Bill's Presidency? That better?

With their Foundation and all, they are pretty rich in my book. So you can have your time line and I can have my point...see, we can both win.

[okasha]

38. No, you can't.

Clinton Foundation money does not belong to the Clintons, nor can its income, by law, be used for their personal expenses. You appear to have no idea whatsoever how charitable foundations work.

[libdem4life]

47. Thank you for sharing. And that's BS. I've been in and around foundations. The

perks are nigh endless. You appear to be rather judgmental.

[okasha]

48. You're welcome.

I've written a hell of a lot of grants and done the paperwork for organizing a number of 501c3's. Perks do not extend to putting your hand in the cookie jar.

[libdem4life]

49. Of course not. No one said that. Peace.

[okasha]

55. No one said that

except for the people who claim that Clinton Foundation monies personally enrich the Clintons.

And of course it's not true.

[840high]

57. Chelsea gets a nice pay check.

[okasha]

74. Pay checks are customary for employees.

There is nothing unusual or improper for family members to work for family foundations or sit on the boards.

What has been continually asserted here is that Foundation contributions are skimmed by Bill and Hillary Clinton and become part of their personal wealth. That is not only improper but illegal.

[SheilaT]

36. Her notion of broke does not even remotely

match what is broke out here in the real world.

Although, if they were broke because they did not save a single penny over the years, then I'm a bit appalled, given that Hillary made at least decent money as an attorney (don't know what they pay the Governor of Arkansas) and I suspect being on the board at Walmart paid a pretty penny.

Nonetheless, they knew they had enormous earning potential as they left the White House, and to say they were "broke" is disingenuous at best.

[dsc]

40. She wasn't broke coming in but had a low net worth

she was broke upon leaving office given their massive legal bills.

[SheilaT]

42. And there was no way they were going to die broke

or even go bankrupt.

Unlike other people without their resources.

Again, the claim of being broke simply shows once more how utterly disconnected she is from the realities of most people's lives.

[dsc]

43. really Bill Clinton couldn't have been hit by a car

or gotten cancer and died or any of a hundred other things to prevent him from making an income.

[SheilaT]

46. That doesn't even register on the scale of being a realistic statement.

Surely there was life insurance, and if not, cry me a river. Plus, Hillary herself has earned huge sums of money over the years. So yeah, if he'd been hit by a car or anything else right after he left office, she still was not going to end up being a greeter at Walmart.

[Punkingal]

41. Jefferson died with no money...heavily in debt.

[dsc]

44. He had major bank while in office

[Punkingal]

45. No, he never did, in fact, he was saddled with debt from his wife's father. Lived beyond his means.

[lunamagica]

7. Agreed

[bowens43]

8. ROFLMAO! She was a failure just as she was a failure as a Senator and First Lady.

[JI7]

15. failure as first lady ?

[leftofcool]

18. How does one fail at being First Lady?

[JI7]

19. that's what I'm wondering

[emulatorloo]

34. Wingnuts said it was because she didn't stay home and bake cookies

Michelle is a failure because she has nice arms.

[Motown_Johnny]

32. "Hillarycare"

She had one thing to do, ONE, and failed at it miserably.



Unless you count picking out china patterns and flower arrangements. I have every confidence she was adequate to those tasks.

[okasha]

39. Oooooh, I smell pork chops.

[Beacool]

61. You sound like you should be on Free Republic.

Of all the condescending bullshit I have read on this site, yours is way up there.

[Motown_Johnny]

62. So she didn't fail at that? Is that your argument????? n/t

You Clinton supporters claim that we are the ones out here insulting other posters.


You need a mirror.

[Beacool]

64. YOU are the one who needs a mirror.

Your sexism is showing.

[Motown_Johnny]

66. I would say anyone who did that failed. It has nothing to do with her gender.

She tried to pass health care reform. It didn't get passed. That means she failed.

If a man had tried it then he would have failed.

That sexism card isn't working here. She didn't do what she tried to do. There is a word for that. Failure.

[Beacool]

68. Yes, it is sexism when you said that she was good at picking dishes.

You could have picked a different analogy, but you didn't. You also must have no historical perspective if you think that any man would have had an easier task of passing a healthcare bill in 1993.

[Motown_Johnny]

70. SHE SAID THAT!!!! CALL HER SEXIST!!!!

Damn it, educate yourself about the candidate you are supporting!! Just a little bit would be a huge improvement over what now exists.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2015/12/19/hillary-clinton-bill-debate/77654296/


^snip^

“I am probably still going to pick the flowers and the china for state dinners," she said. But she said she would count on her husband, former president Bill Clinton, for advice on the economy and other matters.

[Motown_Johnny]

72. No response now?

Gosh, why am I not shocked.

It is ok, Hillary can't admit when she makes a mistake either.

[Beacool]

73. I wasn't here, I don't spend 24/7 on this site.

You know that you're being cutesy, your tone was condescending: "Unless you count picking out china patterns and flower arrangements. I have every confidence she was adequate to those tasks."

Please........

[MineralMan]

20. Oh, FFS!

Give me a break! Please!

[Beacool]

60. For a moment there I thought that I was was on a Democratic site.

My mistake.........

[MeNMyVolt]

10. Rec to the moon!

[catnhatnh]

11. What was Obama supposed to say,

"Whoops I blew it!".

[BlueCheese]

12. I'm pleased that Obama...

... pluralized "secretary of state" properly.

[karynnj]

13. He picked her! what's he supposed to say?

That she was acceptable. Why not say what he did about his second best Secretary of State? He made two good choices.

[libdem4life]

25. Or maybe as the consolation prize so she wouldn't cause him any more trouble.

But I do agree that she did a fine job, from what I read and hear.

[guillaumeb]

28. President Obama also called the TPP the best trade deal.

What is the point, other than to express his opinion?

HRC was a very hawkish Secretary of State who pushed for even more military "solutions".

[Motown_Johnny]

30. And NOT picking her as VP was the best political decision he ever made.

So why the hell would anyone who respects his opinion think she should be President? It makes no sense at all.



http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/24/earnest_adding_biden_smartest_decision_obama_has_ever_made_in_politics_he_can_mount_a_successful_campaign.html

^snip^

"The president has indicated that his view that the decision that he made, I guess 7 years ago now, to add Joe Biden to the ticket as his running mate was the smartest decision that he has ever made in politics. And I think that should give you some sense into the president's view into Vice President's aptitude for the top job," Earnest said.

After Earnest was finished quoting the president's opinion of Joe Biden, Karl made a joke that implied Hillary Clinton wasn't that great of choice for Secretary of State. The press room erupted in laughter, including Earnest himself who didn't try to smooth over the situation.

"This is obviously, you know, a better decision than the secretary of state he choose," Karl quipped.

[Beacool]

69. VP would have been a waste of her talents.

Although Biden seems to enjoy the job very much.

[NCTraveler]

37. Hmmm. Wish I could recommend it again. Lol nt

[senz]

50. The mess in Libya? $165 billion arms sales to Clinton Foundation donors?

Libya remains a nation shattered by political chaos and bloody terrorism, a result of the U.S.-backed “regime change” in 2011 that Secretary of State Clinton championed and once saw as her crowning foreign policy achievement, even the basis for a “Clinton Doctrine”

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/01/hillary-clintons-failed-libya-doctrine/

Under Clinton's leadership, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments have given money to the Clinton Foundation, according to an IBTimes analysis of State Department and foundation data. That figure -- derived from the three full fiscal years of Clinton’s term as Secretary of State (from October 2010 to September 2012) -- represented nearly double the value of American arms sales made to the those countries and approved by the State Department during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.

http://www.ibtimes.com/clinton-foundation-donors-got-weapons-deals-hillary-clintons-state-department-1934187

I think President Obama finally got a good Secretary of State when John Kerry stepped in.

[840high]

58. +10

[BlueCaliDem]

52. Yes, she will, DSB. President Obama chose her well.

[Beacool]

65. The foreign policy experts here must assume that Hillary drafted policy and Obama

just followed her lead and had no input whatsoever.

I don't know if to laugh or shake my head in disgust.

Why come here when one can read the same virulent nonsense on any RW site?

Why call this place "Democratic" Underground when it's all about the guy who trashed Democrats for years until it became expedient for him to join the party to run for president? Funny how they don't find that self-serving. If Hillary had just joined the party this summer they would be eating her alive.

Bunch of hypocrites......

[cherokeeprogressive]

53. Said no one in Libya or Syria ever.

[juxtaposed]

54. what did she do, that would make her the best SOS? Post one other than Osama

[840high]

59. War - money

[GoneOffShore]

56. I'm going to disagree with the President on that one.

#justsaying.

[Beacool]

63. DU and Free Republic, same difference.

Reading the comments here just proves that they are just as pathetic, sexist and disgusting as anything on any RW site.

The utter disrespect to this woman would be disgraceful enough without taking into account that this is supposed to be a site for ALL Democrats, not just for the supporters of the Johnny come lately to the party, Sanders.

[Autumn]

67. Aww... I bet all Presidents say that about their Secretary of State. It would be extremel tacky for

a President to say, "Damn that was the suckiest Secretary of State that I ever appointed. Man was I a fucking idiot, what on earth was I thinking???" That idiot Trump would say something like that, I like Presidents who are nice.