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Can somebody please tell me what Hillary Clinton did wrong in this whole data breach kerfuffle? (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2015 OP
She's Hillary Clinton ... that is all. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #1
Damnit Dem2 Dec 2015 #3
There you have it. NurseJackie Dec 2015 #7
Uh... She's Hillary Clinton? LuvLoogie Dec 2015 #2
This will be interesting, I will be looking forward to the answers. Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #4
nothing. lets move on. Sales tax on stock transactions for free university!!!! WooHoo! grahamhgreen Dec 2015 #5
Nothing. But she's winning this primary and that has some lashing out in pain, apparently. Starry Messenger Dec 2015 #6
I know, I know! leftofcool Dec 2015 #8
all this because she is so afraid of him treestar Dec 2015 #20
Nothing. Who said she did? Fawke Em Dec 2015 #9
You are a bit behind in news. leftofcool Dec 2015 #13
If you don't believe that Debbie Wasserman Schultz has put the DNC in the bag for her, directly or Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #10
Yup. Warren Stupidity Dec 2015 #16
Why would it matter? treestar Dec 2015 #22
Do you think DWS demonstrated sound judgment when she allied with Sheldon Adelson in support of Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #24
DWS' actions did not help Clinton in any way. joshcryer Dec 2015 #37
Yeah, because she has all the well-honed political instincts of a moldy brick of cheese. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #39
She took it personal and didn't have the party in mind. joshcryer Dec 2015 #41
Agree 100%. Warren DeMontague Dec 2015 #44
Don't miss the big political picture. earthside Dec 2015 #11
wrong call reddread Dec 2015 #12
Oh I so love your reply. Juicy_Bellows Dec 2015 #15
It isn't Hillary so much as Debbie Wasserman Schultz rocktivity Dec 2015 #14
Few are blaming HRC directly. As usual, her judgment is, shall we say, consistent. libdem4life Dec 2015 #17
Do you mean now or in 2008? Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #18
She's practicing taking over for Obama treestar Dec 2015 #19
If you mean personally and individually - neither Bernie nor Hillary did anything Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #21
Actually, Bernie's campaign DID do something wrong... Chitown Kev Dec 2015 #34
submission to the straw-man contest? SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #23
Hillary and DWS, put her data into one of these .... JoePhilly Dec 2015 #25
Failed to immediately denounce Loserman Schulz tularetom Dec 2015 #26
She's a woman and she's running for president bluestateguy Dec 2015 #27
well a longtime poster, Manny Goldstein was banned for anti-Semitic motives Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #40
She breathed. okasha Dec 2015 #28
Dang it. took my answer! MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #30
Sorry about that. okasha Dec 2015 #32
Respired. MeNMyVolt Dec 2015 #29
She's just... Mike Nelson Dec 2015 #31
Clinton ... left-of-center2012 Dec 2015 #33
An excellent question mcar Dec 2015 #35
She married Bill Clinton. MoonRiver Dec 2015 #36
Benghazi!!! Lil Missy Dec 2015 #38
oh come on! elana i am Dec 2015 #42
HAPPY HOLIDAYS?!!! WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!! JaneyVee Dec 2015 #43
She did nothing wrong... ljm2002 Dec 2015 #45

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
8. I know, I know!
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:46 PM
Dec 2015

Hillary planted about 5 people on Bernie's campaign staff, then she waited until the firewall went down and sent them a secret email to tell them that they should steal her data. Then she leaked it to the media and now poor Bernie looks like a cheater when his staff really didn't do anything wrong at all.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
20. all this because she is so afraid of him
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:36 PM
Dec 2015

because being that far ahead of him in the polls is not enough!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
9. Nothing. Who said she did?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:47 PM
Dec 2015

However, her lackeys did: the vendor should have been put on probation the first time the breach was reported and fired after this latest breach.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
10. If you don't believe that Debbie Wasserman Schultz has put the DNC in the bag for her, directly or
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:48 PM
Dec 2015

Indirectly, then nothing.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. Why would it matter?
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:38 PM
Dec 2015

Does the DNC influence voters that much?

Why would the DNC care about anything other than winning the election? So naturally they would notice Hillary is ahead in the polls. The DNC has no motive to work against Bernie.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
24. Do you think DWS demonstrated sound judgment when she allied with Sheldon Adelson in support of
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:42 PM
Dec 2015

arresting and jailing sick people for smoking pot?

That doesn't sound to me like someone who makes terribly good decisions, either strategically or ethically.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
39. Yeah, because she has all the well-honed political instincts of a moldy brick of cheese.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:36 AM
Dec 2015

Her judgment has been consistently shitty and out of touch; witness her ham-fisted attacks on medical marijuana.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
41. She took it personal and didn't have the party in mind.
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:43 AM
Dec 2015

And in the end she is an amateur. It's shocking how she got to be the head of the DNC.

Regarding that medical marijuana thing, the cute part is how she basically elicited a bribe to change her position (but reversed when it came out). She's unhinged and needs to be ousted.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
11. Don't miss the big political picture.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 06:48 PM
Dec 2015

This controversy has brought all the DWS, DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign to the surface.

That is what this is now all about.

DWS was a 2008 co-chair of the unsuccessful Clinton campaign -- how stupid was that not for her to resign the day Mrs. Clinton announced her candidacy this year. (Why didn't Hillary tell DWS that the right thing to do was leave the DNC?)

This kerfuffle was bound to happen eventually, now it has ... and it isn't making Hillary, Wasserman Schultz or the DNC look very good.

DWS needs to resign NOW.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
14. It isn't Hillary so much as Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:06 PM
Dec 2015

Since she helped run Hillary's previous presidential election campaign, it's a potential conflict of interest for her to be running the DNC now because for all we know, she might be also helping Hillary run her current presidential campaign.

One of the DNC's job duties is to guard against even the possibility of the appearance of impropriety in the election process. Because it can legitimately be asked if any move Wasserman Schultz makes is actually stealth support for Hillary, she holds an office that she is not qualified for and should step down.


rocktivity

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
17. Few are blaming HRC directly. As usual, her judgment is, shall we say, consistent.
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:32 PM
Dec 2015

It just seems that every time something comes around her, there's a questionable situation that does not help her Trustworthy rating. There is an old saying, that even the appearance of wrong should be avoided.

This doesn't hurt her with her supporters much, nor does it add to Bernie's, automatically. But the Independents think differently. And it's often the Indies who actually decide a winner...especially in close elections.

IDC what anyone says, DWS, the DNC and HRC are joined at the proverbial hip. Pretty sure the IT company has lost credibility...what with all of HRCs people on the payroll. Maybe Bernie and others should check in with California's real independent company.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
19. She's practicing taking over for Obama
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:35 PM
Dec 2015

[IMG][/IMG]

Already, though she will take on the full role Jan. 20 2017.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
21. If you mean personally and individually - neither Bernie nor Hillary did anything
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:37 PM
Dec 2015

wrong in regard to this matter - even Debbie Wasserman Shultz says that.

It's the DNC's tactics and their relationship with the Clinton campaign at issue.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/12/19/new-information-shows-dnc-violated-its-own-rules-when-it-shut-down-sanders-campaign-data-access/

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
34. Actually, Bernie's campaign DID do something wrong...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:12 PM
Dec 2015

and that DOES reflect on Bernie.

Now did DWS go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overboard? Yes.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
25. Hillary and DWS, put her data into one of these ....
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:45 PM
Dec 2015


... and a Bernie staffer got caught trying to take the cheese.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
26. Failed to immediately denounce Loserman Schulz
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:47 PM
Dec 2015

Thereby giving rise to speculation that she was in on it.

Very short sighted from somebody who has been playing the game as long as Clinton has.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
40. well a longtime poster, Manny Goldstein was banned for anti-Semitic motives
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 02:41 AM
Dec 2015

because he is a Jew and some people here obviously cannot handle that.

That is bullshit of course. But, it makes as much sense as your post.

Mike Nelson

(9,960 posts)
31. She's just...
Sat Dec 19, 2015, 07:55 PM
Dec 2015

Hillary Clinton! Run! Hide! People fear her - and attribute all sorts of conspiracies to her... It's irrational. It's been going on for decades. However, it never seems to stop her career; instead, it makes her stronger.

elana i am

(814 posts)
42. oh come on!
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 03:01 AM
Dec 2015

dnc = de facto clinton campaign.

DWS flapped her yap and removed all doubt.

not that i had any doubt.




ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
45. She did nothing wrong...
Sun Dec 20, 2015, 09:21 AM
Dec 2015

...although she might have weighed in on DWS's draconian steps, she wasn't obliged to and I don't really blame her for staying out of it.

DWS's reaction of pulling access to the data from the Sanders campaign, could have harmed Clinton due to the very close relationship between DWS and Clinton -- so DWS's heavy-handedness might have reflected badly on Clinton because of that.

However, access to the data was restored promptly (due to aggressive action by the Sanders campaign), so that became less of an issue. Sanders and Clinton also defused it masterfully at the debate, for which they both deserve kudos.

I do hope there will be a thorough independent investigation of all data breaches since the campaigns started.

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